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On December 14 2011 20:27 Enearde wrote:
I'm not sure about Code S spot because it's like giving something that need to be earn since Code S is meant to be the super league but i'm okay with GOM giving some Code A or up&down spots. It's almost impossible for foreigners to "earn" their way to code A since the Code A qualifier is by far the hardest tournament in term of format and skill representation, if you aren't in Korea training for 5 or 6 months it seems impossible to earn the Code A spot.
Maybe GOM would gain to be more clear on the rules but i don't think their rules are this difficult to apprehend. The thing is you need to follow every tournament to know who wins or who takes X place in Y tournament and then follow every thread to know if something happened like a player renouncing to his spot... At least be less discret about all that and put a page or something on their website for people to understand how it work without going through 30 pages on TL.
IMO, GOM is doing a great job and even if there are some communication problems with foreign fans the most part of the whole thing is pretty cool and i think we all should be grateful for all they are doing to bring Korean competition into the foreign scene. I'm aware of the fact that they are not doing it because it's great and the birds are singing, they gain a LOT of money by doing that but hey who'll blame them for that.
So, i'ld say yes for more skill related code A give away but there will never be a "Code X" spot for a foreigner that will be deserved by an other way than beating the code B tournament.
PS: why all the Naniwa stuff in this topic? 0o
GOM should limit the number of foreigner spots to
1. People with enough skill
2. People that want to be in korea
theres no point in having foreigners there that doesnt fullfill these requirements, and still gom is doing everything it can to get people seeded. if sase is deserving, he can qualify through MLG or code b. its as simple as that.
neither the korean nor the international community benefits the least from seeing "decent" foreigners get demolished.
it should be clear what MLG leads to what GSL seed and maybe even a bonus for the player to go to korea, an incentive to give up all the tournaments and social aspects of the rest of the world. to go to korea should be someting people are trying to achieve in mlg, not just a bonus they may or may not want.
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On December 14 2011 20:21 Goibon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:17 red4ce wrote:
What GOM giveth, so too GOM shall taketh away. Coca and Rain lost their code S spots for 'unprofessional behavior' so it's not like we didn't know the rule didn't exist. What did Rain do... was it not show up to a match or something? I can't remember it was so long ago -_-
He called up on the day of the group nominations saying that he was forfeiting his Code S spot. Because of the short term notice he was banned for 2 seasons.
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On December 14 2011 20:38 jjhchsc2 wrote:
sooo many threads.
all from people with low post counts.....
anyway.
it saddens me to see them somewhat abuse their ''power'' and kick out nani (fair choice though) but inviting Sen wasn't called for imo.
idra yes since he was code S when he left but still that can be argued about.
was hoping for an online/offline tourney to determine rather than what looks like a popularity contest.
Sen just finished 3rd at NASL2. He has been a strong player for a long time. He deserves it, maybe even more then Idra whose recent results have not been great.
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Nani being called a Money Hunter is bullshit. He's one of if not the hardest working guy in sc2, if he were truly money hunting he'd be streaming all the time, and wouldn't have tossed the match seeing as how he'd look better in the eyes of sponsors. By throwing it cause there was absolutly NOTHING to play for which makes if far from what Choya and Coca did he doesn't look as appealing to sponsors as he could've meaning HE ISNT IN IT FOR THE FUCKING MONEY. Who ever said that needs to be dearly punished for defamation of character. I can't believe someone would call a person "unprofessional" but then go around an defame them with falsehoods which is just as unprofessional. Its bullshit and hypocrisy and never should've happened.
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On December 14 2011 20:16 Candide wrote:
Lets take into consideration the most recent game ruining claims..
Choya Ladder fixing
Byun/Coca conspiracy to push ESV to a game 3 when coca won 2-0
What happened to them
Yes.... arbitrary popularity contests..
Pretty sure Choya was banned from playing in the next team league which he was so he became a player coach.
Byun was dropped to the B team and banned from playing in ANY tournaments until Prime deems he's learned his lesson. Also he cant play in GSL until GOM also agree's he learned his lesson
CoCa lost his Code S spot, Was banned from ALL tournaments REMOVED from the A team and the practice house until boxer says he learned his lesson. As well as GOM agreeing he ready to come back to GSL
all 3 of those players faced bans for what they did.
Naniwa being out for 1 tournament sounds like they following their usual mind set
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Koreans need to get rid of that medieval mentality with all that bull shit "honor and pride". Its all fake. All of it.
Fire your tournament organizer for having such a terrible format, not Naniwa.
Next season GOM is going to introduce interviews with the game loser I bet, and if you dip out on the interview you will be banned.
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It's kinda of weird to me, Noone pushed to the Nestea, " Hey drop the birthday Party, U practice for blizzcup there will be 4 matches". Naniwa had vacation and flew long distance even changing twice airplanes and even had interviews with TL/and Gom etc. And he changed team no matter what it was his want or Not. This is really Korean typical issue, when they get together, they can do Anything, pushing someone else Out, Because they just don't like it.
I saw all their twitters last night, it just was common letters, Korean must be very disppointed, but as a person/individual, I also regard that also just their own individual common dialogue, it just was happening. It's not easy to play 5-6 matches/ a day it was even evening. Naniwa just getting adjust himself new country, Do you think, he must hang out here new place? He just came here to new career, I don't think he just wants only money <- this must be only Gom's opinion. He just social awkward like you guys saying. maybe sick. Buy this is only he wants. Only he dumped up his 4th match, Code-S seed is revoked? This is total revenge from nestea and Dong-Hoon, Kang all the his team then. I thought he getting stick together each other well then. I don't know what was the reason of Couch Kang refused him to be there though. from my eyes they seem all every each one kool, but there must be something unwelcome naniwa inside there, and even though there are so many people surrounded there naniwa, there must be something making naniwa so lonely and cold.
I know's naniwas's problem. but you think, this will be the reason that he should be code-S seed revoked alternative making to Sen??
Grew up guys, open eyes, we cant make it because we got hurt, and he just dumped us up, unlike our hopening & expectation. Read that - 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
I think, you guys prefer wants money, I don't find any aggresive or threaten from his action with the match with nestea game # 9 yesterday evening.
I think, you guys prefer want Respect & Fame than Naniwa.
I hope this can be assured for naniwa, as long as I know this is all his hope and aim to Korea.
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can people please read the OP and not just post the same things about naniwa that are being posted in every other thread?!
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On December 14 2011 20:43 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:38 jjhchsc2 wrote:
sooo many threads.
all from people with low post counts.....
anyway.
it saddens me to see them somewhat abuse their ''power'' and kick out nani (fair choice though) but inviting Sen wasn't called for imo.
idra yes since he was code S when he left but still that can be argued about.
was hoping for an online/offline tourney to determine rather than what looks like a popularity contest. I dont agree with the idra invite simply because he left GSL and they didnt have time to find a replacement for him because he told them too late, and his group then had 3 players instead of 4, yet GOM shows him love. Rain doesnt go to the code S ceremony and forfeits his code S spot because hes moving new york(?), they cant find a replacement for himeither, they ban him for 3 seasons. They make up too much on the fly which is pretty unprofessional. The random code s/a invites all over the place to undeserving players i dont agree with at all.
Not completely true, I think. IdrA told Gom that he would leave the GSL, but Gom said he had to keep it quiet.
I remember an interview with IdrA were he said he found it funny how all his rivals picked him to be in their group, while he told Gom that he would leave but nobody else knew it.
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Naniwa got what he deserved, and the rule isn't arbitrary nor was it invented just for Naniwa. Had it been a Korean there would have been even harsher consequences from his team as well as the punishment from Gom. He needs to fix his attitude before it doesn't any more damage to his career.
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On December 14 2011 20:43 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:38 jjhchsc2 wrote:
sooo many threads.
all from people with low post counts.....
anyway.
it saddens me to see them somewhat abuse their ''power'' and kick out nani (fair choice though) but inviting Sen wasn't called for imo.
idra yes since he was code S when he left but still that can be argued about.
was hoping for an online/offline tourney to determine rather than what looks like a popularity contest. I dont agree with the idra invite simply because he left GSL and they didnt have time to find a replacement for him because he told them too late, and his group then had 3 players instead of 4, yet GOM shows him love. Rain doesnt go to the code S ceremony and forfeits his code S spot because hes moving new york(?), they cant find a replacement for himeither, they ban him for 3 seasons. They make up too much on the fly which is pretty unprofessional. The random code s/a invites all over the place to undeserving players i dont agree with at all.
Idra told GOM in advance, they even had time to make a tribute video for Idra leaving.
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Its pretty easy to follow the rules, just dont do stupid shit.
Choya, Byun, Coca , Naniwa they all acted stupid if you ask me, use some common sense and you're fine.
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GOMTV rules are arbitrary and it's not good. This leave bad taste in customers mouth. It's bad for me, it's bad for many other people like me, it's bad for GOMTV, and it's bad for SC2.
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On December 14 2011 20:52 gregnog wrote:
Koreans need to get rid of that medieval mentality with all that bull shit "honor and pride". Its all fake. All of it.
Fire your tournament organizer for having such a terrible format, not Naniwa.
Next season GOM is going to introduce interviews with the game loser I bet, and if you dip out on the interview you will be banned.
since when is honor and pride a medieval mentality. where do you live?
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It is bad when you wish for KeSPA back. Hopefully if the BW stars switches over it would most likely mean that GOMTV's monopoly in Korea has ended, if they don't, well, SC2 will die in Korea and GSL with it. Good riddance to the latter.
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On December 14 2011 20:12 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
Now gom have invented a rule
Are you sure they just randomly "invented" this rule? How do you know that it hasn't been in place since GOM's BW days?
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it becomes a problem only for naniwa fans
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On December 14 2011 21:00 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:52 gregnog wrote:
Koreans need to get rid of that medieval mentality with all that bull shit "honor and pride". Its all fake. All of it.
Fire your tournament organizer for having such a terrible format, not Naniwa.
Next season GOM is going to introduce interviews with the game loser I bet, and if you dip out on the interview you will be banned. since when is honor and pride a medieval mentality. where do you live?
A fake game with the illusion of real competition is what the Koreans want.
But then they pretend its about fans/pride/honor.
Where was Nesteas honor when he purposefully gave MVP the win at Blizzcon finals? That game had a 25k difference in 1st and 2nd place. (Most likely split the difference...) Naniwas was literally meaningless.
Please do not make the naive assumption that skipping meaningless games detract from your pride and honor. That is what I am getting at.
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On December 14 2011 21:03 Eury wrote:
It is bad when you wish for KeSPA back. Hopefully if the BW stars switches over it would most likely mean that GOMTV's monopoly in Korea has ended, if they don't, well, SC2 will die in Korea and GSL with it. Good riddance to the latter.
what? if it was Kespa, Naniwa would've been banned for life.
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