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On December 12 2011 03:26 XRaDiiX wrote:
The GM system is dumb you can lose 130 games in a row without being demoted.Why doesn't the system boot out players with tanking MMR .
Guess I should switch Terran and 1 base all ins every game
Yeah or you could play Protoss and 4-gate every game, even easier and a higher win rate for sure.
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(as to how tight those restrictions should be, that's another debate)
If there's anything to take away from this thread it would be the necessity of reducing the maximum bonus pool by a small margin. Obviously this on it's own doesn't mean the system is messed up but.. well, there are so many high masters that are actual pro players and I'd like to see the top 200 be much more volatile than it currently is.
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On December 11 2011 22:32 listal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 22:30 Simonius wrote:
Are you people retarded?
First it should be clarified if he was GM before. If he in fact was (not like the op told that he was promoted to gm) this is nothing special at all and one of the first things people critisized about GM.- You can't get demoted for sucking, just for inactivity..............which means you can drop a shitload of games when you're in gm and still stay there.........
Sky was in GM on european and a friend of mine met him trading in bronze.....
Hilarious what people start to make up . I bet a ton of silver to master players have started dropping games upon reading this thread in order to get promoted to gm lol. you should probably make your point without writing off everyone in the entire thread with an insult before you even begin 
You can't blame him when everyone is jumping to conclusions like retards o_O
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this is weird
makes no sense at all
blizzard should really ban the account
also: i like how he lost 3 games of 35 to bronze/silver league players as a gm
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On December 12 2011 03:37 Excalibur_Z wrote:Wow yeah, okay, a lot of pretty huge misconceptions here. 1. As people have already mentioned, this guy was in GM league to start. He didn't get promoted there after the loss streak, that would be impossible. 2. The only way you can get demoted from GM league is to go over 180 bonus pool. Each league has a hidden offset which is kind of like a minimum point barrier in order to ensure that you don't get many points when playing against people below your league. That is, if a Master player at 0 points and a Grandmaster at 0 points both played the same mid-Master MMR opponent, the Master player would get maybe 12 while the GM would get maybe 6. Since the only way to spend bonus pool is to win games, this effectively makes it harder to spend your pool because it's easier to spend it at 12 points per win rather than 6 points per game. At the extreme end (say GM playing Bronze), you will earn 0 points for a win which means you didn't spend any bonus pool for that game. This means that there is a limit on how far your MMR can drop before you will inevitably be kicked from GM league due to earning 0 points for wins (as to how tight those restrictions should be, that's another debate). 3. This practice is not new and has been reported before, when the lowest GM players were facing Diamonds and only earning +2 or +3 points per win, just barely keeping their head above water and able to spend their bonus pool through mass gaming and eventual wins. Buki just took this to a more extreme level. 4. To get into Grandmaster league you have to have an MMR moving average of the top 200 on the server. It's going to be very difficult for Buki to raise that average back up for the next season. 5. Intentionally throwing games in order to get demoted or stomp lower leagues has been acknowledged by Blizzard as an actionable offense.
Thanks for these clarifications. So did he start in GM then drop down, and then get back into GM without being in Masters first? If so I'm very confused because the OP sounds like he jumped from silver to GM or something.
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It doesnt even matter, next season his mmr will be way too low to get gm again and hell be out. simple. To get in gm u have to have high mmr. so he got there deservingly. this guy played vs tyler alot on his stream he all ins / cheeses everygame. nothing special. standard north american grandmaster. Let him have his fun in gm this season he wont be there next season.
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On December 12 2011 04:27 Jonoman92 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 03:37 Excalibur_Z wrote:Wow yeah, okay, a lot of pretty huge misconceptions here. 1. As people have already mentioned, this guy was in GM league to start. He didn't get promoted there after the loss streak, that would be impossible. 2. The only way you can get demoted from GM league is to go over 180 bonus pool. Each league has a hidden offset which is kind of like a minimum point barrier in order to ensure that you don't get many points when playing against people below your league. That is, if a Master player at 0 points and a Grandmaster at 0 points both played the same mid-Master MMR opponent, the Master player would get maybe 12 while the GM would get maybe 6. Since the only way to spend bonus pool is to win games, this effectively makes it harder to spend your pool because it's easier to spend it at 12 points per win rather than 6 points per game. At the extreme end (say GM playing Bronze), you will earn 0 points for a win which means you didn't spend any bonus pool for that game. This means that there is a limit on how far your MMR can drop before you will inevitably be kicked from GM league due to earning 0 points for wins (as to how tight those restrictions should be, that's another debate). 3. This practice is not new and has been reported before, when the lowest GM players were facing Diamonds and only earning +2 or +3 points per win, just barely keeping their head above water and able to spend their bonus pool through mass gaming and eventual wins. Buki just took this to a more extreme level. 4. To get into Grandmaster league you have to have an MMR moving average of the top 200 on the server. It's going to be very difficult for Buki to raise that average back up for the next season. 5. Intentionally throwing games in order to get demoted or stomp lower leagues has been acknowledged by Blizzard as an actionable offense. Thanks for these clarifications. So did he start in GM then drop down, and then get back into GM without being in Masters first? If so I'm very confused because the OP sounds like he jumped from silver to GM or something.
He's been in for the whole season, and just recently tanked his mmr by going on a mass losing streak so now he only gets to play really low level players on ladder
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Meh, this is why I have always thought that you should be able to be demoted by losing from GM.
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I met him this season on ladder and he left  I thought it was because he was a CSL player and decided to throw away points... and to think I was excited that I was matched against a GM
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On December 12 2011 04:09 Probe1 wrote:If there's anything to take away from this thread it would be the necessity of reducing the maximum bonus pool by a small margin. Obviously this on it's own doesn't mean the system is messed up but.. well, there are so many high masters that are actual pro players and I'd like to see the top 200 be much more volatile than it currently is.
If you make it much smaller then people won't have the time to keep up. They don't want GM to be very volatile. They want it to be the pantheon of best players. And think about the people who earn GM. Do pro players really have time to sit and constantly play down their bonus pool? It's probably a bit of a chore as it is, making that harder would just piss them off.
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Wow... blizzard should ban him because of his brazenness and abuser attitude. This situation is pretty sad and could be considered as boycott of the blizzard's system.
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I don't think this warranted it's own thread. I ran into him, he left the game immediately, saw he was tanking b/c of his match history, and kept laddering lol He was already GM. He's not exploiting the system to try to get back in. He either wants to smash bronzies (which is against blizzard's rules to tank like that) or is testing the system a little to see what the boundaries are. OP is misleading.
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well nm i was just promoted to gm's in my last game..... system is so weird.
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LMAO, you guys are so stupid. I actually read all 7 pages of nonsense. Only a handful of you got it right, thank goodness.
Buki is a friend of mine, he is obviously trolling. He just wants to tank his mmr so he intentionally loses. Then he got to a point where he doesn't lose anymore points so he decided to play again.
Sorry guys, this isn't a bug where you can go from silver to GM trick. It is just simply trolling.
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On December 12 2011 04:25 sVnteen wrote:
this is weird
makes no sense at all
blizzard should really ban the account
also: i like how he lost 3 games of 35 to bronze/silver league players as a gm
I got disconnected in two of them and one of them i tried to go mass blink stalkers vs mass immortals
Not like im doing any harm. All the people im playing are either loling/honored/surprised/wtfing.
I will be 0/0/2 blink stalkering my way up to masters and thevn start macro gaming as terran!!
Buki
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Hi buki xD gained so much fans now I see.
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ExcaliburZ defended Blizzards system by saying that if you lose a lot you will gain so few point by winning that you wont be able to get read of the bonus pool. So that impossible number of games is 45 a week to keep it at 0?
Impossible indeed.
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On December 12 2011 04:50 DjRetro wrote:
Wow... blizzard should ban him because of his brazenness and abuser attitude. This situation is pretty sad and could be considered as boycott of the blizzard's system.
He won't get a ban for this... If he wants to ladder and lose on purpose, that's his prerogative, it's not Blizzards business.
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You people need to read Excalibur_Z posts and the sticky. The ignorance and lack of reading comprehension in here is ridiculous. READ and THINK before you start off on the oh so popular Blizzard bashing.
And for those guys who somehow think an invite system is better... who determines the invites? The fact is there are plenty of no-name guys who don't stream, don't join teams, or go 'pro' that are better than the 'pros' that would be invited through this subjective popularity contest.
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