EPTHow the Rank 200 GM gamed the MMR system - Page 8
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eXwOn
Canada351 Posts
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Not_That
287 Posts
I'm not sure how many people are interested in figuring out the unadjusted points difference of the ladder system (just how far is bronze from gm? silver from diamond?). Occasionally we get a thread asking how many tiers of skills exist in starcraft. Well, this is a rare opportunity to get closer to answering this question. The following data should be collected: - Buki's points and his opponents points and league - match result and points earned / lost by both parties. It's important to disregard any bonus points won as they are meaningless for our purposes. The most important matches are those where Buki's opponent has lost (or won) roughly 12 points. This will tell us that this opponent has his ladder points close to his MMR, which is vital when trying to gather insights from the match data. (explanation: seeing how the ladder system matches 2 players who are close in MMR together, we can assume that most players who are playing Buki have MMR similar to Buki's at the time of their match. However an opponent who wins much higher than 12 points for a win or losses very few [or vice versa] is an opponent whose ladder points are still playing catchup with his MMR. This is likely due to the player having not played enough games for his points to stabilize yet, but might also be due to sudden change in skill, race change, etc) *All points should be calculated as the players ladder points + unspent ladder points It's requires some work gathering the data. Will someone step up and do it? | ||
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CuHz
United States354 Posts
MBN buki probably started losing (not on purpose; just bad play or bad luck) then like A LOT of players; they go on this emotional train of just losing a lot on purpose bcuz they got pissed they lost ladder pts. He was never kicked out of GM in the first place. but getting GM next season will be hard for him unless he raises his MMR A LOT to get his GM MMR back. | ||
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Djeez
543 Posts
On December 12 2011 07:04 CuHz wrote: This thread needs to be closed. Op has a mis leading title / false information. MBN buki probably started losing (not on purpose; just bad play or bad luck) then like A LOT of players; they go on this emotional train of just losing a lot on purpose bcuz they got pissed they lost ladder pts. He was never kicked out of GM in the first place. but getting GM next season will be hard for him unless he raises his MMR A LOT to get his GM MMR back. How can a grandmaster go on a 130 loss losing streak, against bronzies and silver... Buki has always been near the top of the ladder, and is known for his awesome 1 base allins (1 base ghosts/banshee hell yea). He obviously just wanted to fuck around even more. | ||
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Peleus
Australia420 Posts
What I think it does highlight and what should be discussed is the inability for people to get demoted out of GM outside of bonus point accrual and season resets. By all means it doesn't need to be super volatile, but we know GM often fills up in a day, and if a good player happens not to be playing, or some weaker players are on a hot streak at the time of GM placement suddenly its 4-6 weeks before the mistake is rectified. I can't see any reason why people should not be demoted from GM if there is a suitably skilled opponent rated above their MMR and there is a sufficient confidence interval on that estimate. | ||
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JudgementxMyuu
Australia53 Posts
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checkit
United States37 Posts
Close thread. | ||
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softan
Sweden113 Posts
On December 12 2011 06:03 GreEny K wrote: He won't get a ban for this... If he wants to ladder and lose on purpose, that's his prerogative, it's not Blizzards business. Actually it is. Blizzard own his account and they own the game. They've even mentioned themselves that dropping games on purpose to later own people WAY below your skill is a bannable offence. They could however ban him even if he didn't do anything wrong. They can do pretty much whatever they want with "our" accounts. Read the licence agreement you accepted. | ||
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checkit
United States37 Posts
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On December 12 2011 07:04 CuHz wrote: This thread needs to be closed. Op has a mis leading title / false information. MBN buki probably started losing (not on purpose; just bad play or bad luck) then like A LOT of players; they go on this emotional train of just losing a lot on purpose bcuz they got pissed they lost ladder pts. There aren't words in any language to describe how tilted you would have to be to be a GM and lose 130 games in a row, at the end to bronze league players. Do actually believe that's what happened? | ||
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steelcurtain09
United States87 Posts
I talked to him after the game and he said he likes trolling the lower leagues... Also he did say he did it on purpose. So words straight from his keyboard to my computer screen. | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On December 12 2011 07:35 steelcurtain09 wrote: Well it looks like right now he has gold/plat mmr because I just faced him and lost. I am a high gold level player who has been facing against 50/50 gold/plat so I am assuming that is where he is at. I talked to him after the game and he said he likes trolling the lower leagues... Also he did say he did it on purpose. So words straight from his keyboard to my computer screen. You should post a screenshot or it's completely unbelievable you happened to meet the one GM at gold MMR. | ||
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LXR
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Djeez
543 Posts
On December 12 2011 07:37 diophan wrote: You should post a screenshot or it's completely unbelievable you happened to meet the one GM at gold MMR. What's unbelievable about it? Buki is raising his MMR back with protoss and right now it's around gold/plat... you can still have your grandmaster icon and have the lowest MMR in the world, as long as you keep your bonus pool low. | ||
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mBnJinX
United States17 Posts
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steelcurtain09
United States87 Posts
On December 12 2011 07:37 diophan wrote: You should post a screenshot or it's completely unbelievable you happened to meet the one GM at gold MMR. I didn't think to take the screenshot right then so i already left the page which shows the icons. But I can give you a screenshot of the match history. You can check my league if you want on sc2ranks, my battle.net url is http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/843932/1/steelcurtain/ But now I wish I had been thinking at that moment. It would have made for an interesting screenshot.. But here's a little bit of the conversation we had immediately afterwards. I recognized the name in-game so i accused him of it as soon as the game started, but he didn't seem to know what I was talking about. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xihMT.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Qgjzk.jpg) | ||
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YMCApylons
Taiwan359 Posts
On December 11 2011 21:24 oOOoOphidian wrote: edit: IF YOU DON'T READ THIS PART DON'T BOTHER REPLYING...... It seems that buki was already in GM and stayed in due to the system. As he can only be removed by inactivity and bonus pool accumulating, losing 130 games in a row doesn't demote the account from GM. I'm curious whether the lowered MMR will make it impossible to get back into GM next season, but either way the intentional losing is bannable. So basically the premise of this OP was completely wrong, and the title is wrong, and this thread should be locked. | ||
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mBnBuki
7 Posts
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D_K_night
Canada615 Posts
On December 12 2011 03:34 RemoteLink wrote: Here's a VOD of this guy playing if anyone is interested. To be fair to the offending player, this unit composition in the video was very interesting. He had Destiny on the ropes and I almost felt if he had been a bit more aggressive, the game would have been his. Hellion/Banshee/Ghost + ~4-6 SCV composition...I've never seen this before. | ||
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steelcurtain09
United States87 Posts
On December 12 2011 08:09 mBnBuki wrote: you said i was featured on TL... lies! Well not necessarily featured, but had a thread made about you. | ||
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