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On December 10 2011 16:42 chatuka wrote:
i feel bad for the Koreans that need to make a living off of this. I see lots of Koreans quitting the game or joining foreign teams in 2012. There will be many thread of players going to Quantic, Complexity, EG, or liquid. The prize pool now for foreign tournaments outweigh the prize pool for the GSL tournaments.
IPL 50K with 100K prize pool
NASL 80-100 K prize pool
5 MLG Will have bigger prize pools next year (my guess is 50K each tournament)=250K to 500 K
Dreamhack (60 K)
IEM (50K)
HomeStory Cup (50K)
There are even more tournaments than I have named
So the Question is Why if I was a lower tier player fight like heck just scratch a living from GSL. When i have a great chance of making a serious living at foreign tournaments...
This is exactly what i believe too will happen if they don't increase the prize pool; since they are extending the GSL with less overall seasons. There will not be as much incentive now to fight the toughest players in the world in the GSL when they could make more money in foreigner tournaments like EG.Puma 4th,5th highest earner i think so far in Tournament winnings.
Good point.
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I agree with most of the changes except the lack of change of prize money and World Championship. Prize money issue is most likely because of lack of sponsors in Korea, I expect this to get better over time but it does mean more Korea Pros play in more foreigner tournaments.
World Championship was one of the best because had some of the best moments like White-Ra gif. I am optimistic if Gom can somehow work with DreamHack, MLG, IEM in a collaborative partnership to set up another World Championship where we can truly get the best players to be represented and duke it out. Make the show match between the teams to be a charity event or something.
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The GSTL changes basically make any decent fantasy GSTL format impossible. Teams will be eliminated too often, winning teams will play fewer games (sponsors will lol at this ...). While it might be more easy to maintain for different team numbers, I doubt teams will put that much effort in it with this format.
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Also, with longer GSL seasons, many mediocre players will drop out early, leaving them with possible a month of downtime and no GSTL. They will probably not be able to compete in overseas tournaments because noone will fly them there. I see a big concentration of price money and salary for only a few players and the others not being able to come by.
I don't like it.
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First: Not surprised to see the pay get brought down. If you remember, the Blizzard Cup was supposed to be the second biggest prize pay out of the year behind the Super Tournament and then the whole structure got changed plus the prize money got halved for the winner.
Secondly: This is not 100% concrete. Things will more than likely change during the year. The 2011 format, from what I remember, was radically different than what it was presented at the beginning of the year. I can definately see a sixth tournament or more money added in if things go well for GOM with ticket sells.
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We should be cautious about condemning the Code S prize changes. We have no clue how much money is being distributed as "salary" to the upkeep of team houses. Also, this was the first year of SC2 and maybe the money base isn't quite there in korea to merit 5 100k tourneys a year. 50k Tourneys are a desireable amount.
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Everyone is saying this will make Korean players want to join international teams, but just how many new players can international teams afford? Have any of the team managers publicly said that they'll have bigger budgets for next year? Where will the players live? Will the teams pay to set up houses for the new players they pick up? If they do set up houses will the old players be forced to move in too? If there is a mass migration of Korean players to international teams then someone is going to end up short.
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On December 10 2011 17:12 BrosephBrostar wrote:
Everyone is saying this will make Korean players want to join international teams, but just how many new players can international teams afford? Have any of the team managers publicly said that they'll have bigger budgets for next year? Where will the players live? Will the teams pay to set up houses for the new players they pick up? If they do set up houses will the old players be forced to move in too? If there is a mass migration of Korean players to international teams then someone is going to end up short.
The international players. Notice how FXO is only essentially the fOu minus sC now?
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I want the world championships :.(
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On December 10 2011 17:14 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:12 BrosephBrostar wrote:
Everyone is saying this will make Korean players want to join international teams, but just how many new players can international teams afford? Have any of the team managers publicly said that they'll have bigger budgets for next year? Where will the players live? Will the teams pay to set up houses for the new players they pick up? If they do set up houses will the old players be forced to move in too? If there is a mass migration of Korean players to international teams then someone is going to end up short. The international players. Notice how FXO is only essentially the fOu minus sC now?
You have to wonder if that's what international teams really want though. Do you really think EG would trade Huk and Idra for Korean players, even if the Koreans were more successful?
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On December 10 2011 15:24 Arceus wrote:oh no not winnerleague again  For once the GSTL changes disappoint me btw no announcement about new maps ? In the occassion of an all new GSL, they should introduce at least 3 new maps imo
This isn't an introduction of the next GSL season, this is an announcement about the new format.
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So GOM has sole broadcasting rights of SC2 in Korea unlike anywhere else in the world, which poses an important question.
Is it GOM's responsibility to bank huge prize pools for the Koreans to support them, or does that responsibility fall on the teams to find sponsors?
The former work(s)(ed) for BW, but even they are having trouble pulling sponsors in for what is supposed to be an even more popular game. With lower prize pools and lack of sponsors to give the players decent monetary support, is the scene over there going to shrink?
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GSTL change seems OTT... so complicated - around 10 teams doesnt warrant such a change - as compared to the GSL change.
Well, less tourneys means less prize money.... 2X Code A $ for a tournament three times as long.
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There are obviously pros and cons to these changes, but I think it's mostly pros. I'm so excited for there to only be 5 champions in the year. Those winners will truly be the best of the best and it will quite the event to watch! I really can't wait for 2012. With all the changes in the tournaments it should be such an exciting year for esports
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Well thank you for the clearification.
It's good there will be more money for code A players, and i don't mind paying slightly more because i know it's good production with the best games.
GSTL however is another story.
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On December 10 2011 17:22 BrosephBrostar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:14 Primadog wrote:On December 10 2011 17:12 BrosephBrostar wrote:
Everyone is saying this will make Korean players want to join international teams, but just how many new players can international teams afford? Have any of the team managers publicly said that they'll have bigger budgets for next year? Where will the players live? Will the teams pay to set up houses for the new players they pick up? If they do set up houses will the old players be forced to move in too? If there is a mass migration of Korean players to international teams then someone is going to end up short. The international players. Notice how FXO is only essentially the fOu minus sC now? You have to wonder if that's what international teams really want though. Do you really think EG would trade Huk and Idra for Korean players, even if the Koreans were more successful?
It's about the right players. No one is goign to give a damn about Virus or Asd joining a team but MC, Nada, Alicia could all do well on a foreign team. Hell remember how much support RAIN got.
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Haven't read and processed everything yet, so just going to say one thing first - very happy about the prizemoney distribution - I think the winner of Code S already makes enough and we don't need to give them more. However, more money for Code A is a very good thing.
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On December 10 2011 17:34 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:22 BrosephBrostar wrote:On December 10 2011 17:14 Primadog wrote:On December 10 2011 17:12 BrosephBrostar wrote:
Everyone is saying this will make Korean players want to join international teams, but just how many new players can international teams afford? Have any of the team managers publicly said that they'll have bigger budgets for next year? Where will the players live? Will the teams pay to set up houses for the new players they pick up? If they do set up houses will the old players be forced to move in too? If there is a mass migration of Korean players to international teams then someone is going to end up short. The international players. Notice how FXO is only essentially the fOu minus sC now? You have to wonder if that's what international teams really want though. Do you really think EG would trade Huk and Idra for Korean players, even if the Koreans were more successful? It's about the right players. No one is goign to give a damn about Virus or Asd joining a team but MC, Nada, Alicia could all do well on a foreign team. Hell remember how much support RAIN got.
The problem with so much celebrity focus is that it doesn't account for the fact that players like Asd are a large part of why ones like Leenock are so good. You can't just cut out the B teamers and practice partners and expect the highest level of play to stay the same.
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Just read about the GSTL - I don't like the changes - this is because I think the GSTL is like a "proving grounds" for newer players who are currently not in the individual leagues - something that they can practice towards and play televised matches. Was hoping for something like the S1 GSTL.
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Why doesn't GSTL have ace matches? Too many good players get upset to cheesy BO1 snipes and the team goes to lose. In PL, reverse all-kills happen often (cough cough Flash) because of ace matches.
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I hope we can see a Foreigner Team, 100% foreigners proud.
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