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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
I love you GOM <3 Finally BO3s in Code S all rounds!! Finally, the best tournament in the world, has just reached Optimum level ♥ | ||
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
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MrHstarcraft
United States4 Posts
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BlacKcuD
Germany107 Posts
(I used wolframalpha.com for values on Dec. 11th 2011. Prize moneys in Euros and US Dollars rounded to fives.) Code A: Ro48: 400,000W = 260€ = 350$ Ro32: 600,000W = 390€ = 525$ Ro24: 800,000W = 520€ = 700$ Ro12: 1,000,000W = 650€ = 870$ GSTL: Winner: 30,000,000W = 19570€ = 26150$ Runner-Up: 15,000,000W = 9780€ = 13070$ Semi-finalists: 4,000,000W = 2610€ = 3485$ Ro8: 2,000,000W = 1305€ = 1740$ Ro10: 1,000,000W = 650€ = 870$ | ||
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Rhodon
United States51 Posts
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ShineOnYou
93 Posts
On December 12 2011 05:24 Rhodon wrote: I like to see this growth. Heres hope that GSL prize money continues to rise and rise. The appeal of watching a Code S final where two players are fighting over $100,000 is ridiculous. you realise they are decreasing prize pool...? | ||
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Krogan
Sweden375 Posts
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RifleCow
Canada637 Posts
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Bengui
Canada775 Posts
On December 12 2011 05:24 Rhodon wrote: I like to see this growth. Heres hope that GSL prize money continues to rise and rise. The appeal of watching a Code S final where two players are fighting over $100,000 is ridiculous. It would have to start rising in the first place :/ | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On December 11 2011 02:16 Xeris wrote: You dont make those kinds of cuts unless you are losing money ... It's too early to say GOM is losing money. They probably went into this business fully aware that they had to invest heavily in order to ensure their long term viability. You have to give them time to see the return on their investment before making any judgements. The prize pool this year is actually on par with most of other tournaments are paying. If anything, the prize pool last year was too riduculous especially early in the year. But, I'm betting that it was all part of their business plan; they had to up the prize pool and the number of GSL tournaments in order to attract the attention and secure enough "star" players from BW era, as well as helping SC2 pro teams establish their footing. All in all, the first year was really their biggest challenge and I think they've managed it well considering the number of subscriptions from overseas - they probably didn't expect that. | ||
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Aurorajp
Canada43 Posts
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Shousan
Mexico92 Posts
 I like this new format a little bit more, well done GOM, as always.  | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
If they really wanted to scale back the 1st thing to decrease would be the amount of content. Operating costs are the 1st thing to be downsclaed when a company is in trouble. We will have to wait and see, for all we know they have some sick special events planned around the saved money, or they are upping the production value. | ||
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jacen
Austria3644 Posts
On December 11 2011 22:58 Azzur wrote: I'm confused by your analysis since it seems to show that the amount of prize money paid out for games is going to be reduced? There will be more games played per season with the same pricemoney. This means average money earned per game is decreasing. One should not forget that a Winners league Bo3 might be 2.5 times more games than single elimination, but the time effort of the player remains almos the same, as they can't do something else on these days anyway. On December 12 2011 01:00 nufcrulz wrote: umm your numbers dont show otherwise.. it actually supports the argument. Revenue per game decreases 21% Pricemoney decreases 39% Since we don't know the volume revenue we can only speculate, but it looks like standard business optimization to increase turnover AND maybe increase revenue. It depends on customer reaction to the new pass system and other things. It does not show GOM in trouble. The increasing production value over the past year actually indicates that they are doing well and have disposable funds to dedicate to a good finals show, a team flat and other luxuries. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
On December 12 2011 16:54 jacen wrote: There will be more games played per season with the same pricemoney. This means average money earned per game is decreasing. One should not forget that a Winners league Bo3 might be 2.5 times more games than single elimination, but the time effort of the player remains almos the same, as they can't do something else on these days anyway. Revenue per game decreases 21% Pricemoney decreases 39% Since we don't know the volume revenue we can only speculate, but it looks like standard business optimization to increase turnover AND maybe increase revenue. It depends on customer reaction to the new pass system and other things. It does not show GOM in trouble. The increasing production value over the past year actually indicates that they are doing well and have disposable funds to dedicate to a good finals show, a team flat and other luxuries. Well, I don't dispute you when you claim that GOM is not in trouble - in my opinion, they have at least 2012 all planned and budgeted for. What happens in 2013 will depend greatly on their performance in 2012 and ability to attract sponsors and viewers. However, I feel you are drawing the wrong conclusions with your analysis (i.e. comparing 2012 with 2011). In my view, it clearly shows that GOM is reducing their costs (e.g. prizemoney) and the revenue (from subscription sales). This, in my mind, is them moving to a more sustainable model (contrast to the extravagance of 2011). My evidence that this is extravagance because I compare prizemoney of BW tournaments (which is less and the tournaments is less numerous) and compare with other foreign tournaments as well. NOTE: Even though it's extravagance, it was probably necessary to attract hype and players. You can point out points to support your theory that GOM is not in trouble (i.e. 2012 must've been planned and budgeted for already), the availability of sponsors, luxuries (e.g. foreign team house), etc, but your numbers analysis doesn't support your argument. | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
While those were never confirmed to be a yearly thing, it did still contribute to 2011 tournaments. So it went from 9 (or 8 if you don't count WC but count ST) to 5 (no WC or ST in 2012). | ||
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jacen
Austria3644 Posts
On December 12 2011 17:26 Azzur wrote: but your numbers analysis doesn't support your argument. Then the numbers don't support the argument that gom is in trouble either, which is what I tried to show initially. Either way, fine by me. Gom does not seem to be in trouble in any sense and we can all focus on beating a sensible GSTL format into their heads. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On December 12 2011 16:54 jacen wrote: There will be more games played per season with the same pricemoney. This means average money earned per game is decreasing. One should not forget that a Winners league Bo3 might be 2.5 times more games than single elimination, but the time effort of the player remains almos the same, as they can't do something else on these days anyway. Revenue per game decreases 21% Pricemoney decreases 39% Since we don't know the volume revenue we can only speculate, but it looks like standard business optimization to increase turnover AND maybe increase revenue. It depends on customer reaction to the new pass system and other things. It does not show GOM in trouble. The increasing production value over the past year actually indicates that they are doing well and have disposable funds to dedicate to a good finals show, a team flat and other luxuries. I don't think the average money per game comparison is that relevant for sc2. If you have more bo3's than previously bo1's that would lead to a reduced number without any real reason why they should get more money for it. Maybe the lenght of the tournament would be more relevant- | ||
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Sphen5117
United States413 Posts
On December 10 2011 15:13 illsick wrote: only 5 GSL's in 2012 and no WC or super tournament :/ Well, throwing out just more awards to be won doesn't mean there will be more competiton and good play. Think of this way that now each award is worth twice as much, since the players have to play more games at the top of their skill to win them. The finals will be even more suspensful now, and it is now less likely that a person will have issues with getting of a plane 24 hours before their match and still having not actually rested where he was beforehand (HuK v jjakji) | ||
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ronpaul012
United States769 Posts
On December 12 2011 09:53 RifleCow wrote: Prize money has always never mattered too much for these players. GSL has always been about prestige and popularity of the teams/players. When players wanna make a quick buck that's when they go to foreign tournaments. For other things, like the costs of living, the teamhouse pays for all of that. I'd strongly disagree with that. Before players knew they could make a fairly decent living by just being in code S. But now with the amount of tournaments going down with the prize pool staying about the same players income will drastically increase. Sponsors are really going to need to step up or many pretty good players will only make around 5kish a year. The top will still make money, but the middle of the pack will suffer. And with Brood War pro's coming in, 2012 will have many more potential players, with less prize pool. | ||
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