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GomTV 2012 GSL Tour Changes - Page 3

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PimpWilly
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States228 Posts
December 10 2011 07:11 GMT
#41
I don't like how the prize for Code S stays the same, but the tournament lasts twice as long. That's basically a lowering of the moneys the pros make.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 07:14:59
December 10 2011 07:14 GMT
#42
On December 10 2011 16:09 dcemuser wrote:
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On December 10 2011 15:21 Primadog wrote:
The GSL changes are a step to the right direction.

  • Theoretically, bo3 should avoid the old habit of better players eliminated early that plagued GSL in 2011.
  • Group selection introduced an element of sniping against top players in 2011, so using an RNG instead was a good choice.
  • Losing ST and WC are a big blow. These tournaments are a fun diversion and have their own flairs, from what I can tell, only BlizzCup, GSL, and GSTL are left.
  • The longer season is a nice change. After the mid-year changes, GSLs come and go so often that winning one has become meaningless. Winning GSL is suppose to mean you're the best player, but that doesn't happen when your successor comes in five weeks.

I was not able to visualize the GSTL changes. It seems overly complex for a tournament of a comparatively small field (dozen of team instead of 128 in GSL).


Agreed completely.

However, you have to understand that with the longer GSL seasons came the removal of ST and WC - I mean if you're doubling the length of the GSL essentially that time has to come from somewhere.


The old format has 7 GSLs for 6 weeks each, that's 42 weeks total of regular GSL. The new format has 5 GSLs for 8 weeks each, that's 40 weeks of regular GSL. Of course, this kind of comparison misses a lot of subtleness, but I can imagine scenarios where at least the World Champion can be kept in some form.

Personally, I just hate to lose moments like:
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that would not exist in any other format
Thank God and gunrun.
qwertzi
Profile Joined March 2011
111 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 07:43:45
December 10 2011 07:14 GMT
#43
On December 10 2011 15:31 StyLeD wrote:
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On December 10 2011 15:26 darkcloud8282 wrote:
So they're saving money from having fewer GSLs?

Yay for BO3 format I guess..


They're saving ALOT of money by doing that..but it doesn't matter to us, the players in Korea will be angry though. This will also affect short-term foreign players looking to train in Korea, because now they have to commit for a longer period of time (assuming they make it through multiple rounds) to win any money.


they are saving A LOT

2011
8 x 132 = 1,056 (GSL Code S + WC)
+ 1 x 202 = 202 (ST)
+ 7 x 12.9 = 90.3 (Code A)
----------------------------
= 1,348.3 M KRW

2012
5 x 132 = 660 (Code S)
+ 5 x 26 = 130 (Code A)
-----------------------------
= 790 M KRW

Total savings in 2012 = 558 M KRW

So yea, either there is something seriously wrong with my math or they are saving ALOT of money...

edit: Thx to Temperance, did have a major error regarding a decimal in here, in my defense it was really early :D

ionONE
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany605 Posts
December 10 2011 07:15 GMT
#44
i like the other changes but why cut the pricemoney?! double it ... pls
JANGBI never forget
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
December 10 2011 07:16 GMT
#45
every time i see that they changed something, I'm always excited now, since they always (or almost always) improve things ^^
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
December 10 2011 07:18 GMT
#46
It's actually very unhealthy for a league to make drastic changes to the format like GSL. This, depends on how you count it, is the fourth or fifth iteration for the GSL, and third for the GSTL.
Thank God and gunrun.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
December 10 2011 07:23 GMT
#47
More incentive for Koreans to fly to the US for MLG?
ffxiv enjoyer
Havek
Profile Joined December 2011
Denmark20 Posts
December 10 2011 07:24 GMT
#48
This is so nice to see, i feel this is gonna benefit the GSL format more and GSL in general
- both the new changes to RO32, RO16 seedes etc. and prizes

Best of luck to the GSL in 2012 and GOMTV as well, I'm looking forward to watching!
Tortious_Tortoise
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States944 Posts
December 10 2011 07:29 GMT
#49
as long as there's still money in sc2, I'm happy. Money will bring great games, and great games will bring moremoney.
Treating eSports as a social science since 2011; Credo: "The system is never wrong"-- Day9 Daily #400 Part 3
naux
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada738 Posts
December 10 2011 07:34 GMT
#50
what does RNG stand for
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
December 10 2011 07:35 GMT
#51
On December 10 2011 16:34 naux wrote:
what does RNG stand for

random number generator
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
naux
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada738 Posts
December 10 2011 07:36 GMT
#52
On December 10 2011 16:35 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 16:34 naux wrote:
what does RNG stand for

random number generator


can you explain what that means lol
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
December 10 2011 07:38 GMT
#53
I'm happy with the changes to the regular GSL, although the lack of an increase in prize pool is both disappointing and a little worrying. I won't miss the Super Tournament at all but it's a shame the World Championship is going away. There is no other league in the world right now that pits a Korean dream team vs a foreigner dream team against each other in a live setting. GSTL is a wait and see for me. I think MVP and Prime got too much of a bonus from being last season's finalists, but the change to double elimination is nice. Overall I'm pleased with the state of the GSL, and I can't wait for 2012.
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
December 10 2011 07:40 GMT
#54
So they doubled the length of GSL but did not increase the prize money? Isn't that bad for aspiring players, or just players in general?
~~~Liquid Fighting (SC2)~~~
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
December 10 2011 07:41 GMT
#55
On December 10 2011 16:36 naux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 16:35 Tachion wrote:
On December 10 2011 16:34 naux wrote:
what does RNG stand for

random number generator


can you explain what that means lol

It means they will be randomly selected.
~~~Liquid Fighting (SC2)~~~
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 10 2011 07:42 GMT
#56
Longer seasons = best change

Having a GSL tournament every month takes excitement out of the next one.
chatuka
Profile Joined July 2011
1351 Posts
December 10 2011 07:42 GMT
#57
i feel bad for the Koreans that need to make a living off of this. I see lots of Koreans quitting the game or joining foreign teams in 2012. There will be many thread of players going to Quantic, Complexity, EG, or liquid. The prize pool now for foreign tournaments outweigh the prize pool for the GSL tournaments.

IPL 50K with 100K prize pool
NASL 80-100 K prize pool
5 MLG Will have bigger prize pools next year (my guess is 50K each tournament)=250K to 500 K
Dreamhack (60 K)
IEM (50K)
HomeStory Cup (50K)

There are even more tournaments than I have named

So the Question is Why if I was a lower tier player fight like heck just scratch a living from GSL. When i have a great chance of making a serious living at foreign tournaments...
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
December 10 2011 07:44 GMT
#58
Like:

- GSL format changes, all of them
-Longer season, sucks for the players but now the GSL will feel more important(it is important but its silly to have a new champion every month IMO)
-Removal of supertournament, regardless of name nothing felt super about it

Dislike:
-GSTL changes, old format was better. But oh well I feel maybe this change was made to cater the Foreigner teams
-World championship removal, pretty exciting event. But oh well I can live with it if more Foreign tournaments try their luck in the GSTL
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
December 10 2011 07:47 GMT
#59
Oh wait, I didn't think of this. Maybe the regular GSL prizepool was not increased to give that money to the GSTL?

I'm fine if that is the case.

Team league>Individual league IEF
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Kettchup
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1911 Posts
December 10 2011 07:48 GMT
#60
Absolutely hate the GSTL change. :/ Could be seeing a max of 2 matches from some teams this way, and you can't work this into a fantasy league. That was so much fun last time around. The previous setup was perfect in my opinion.
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