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On December 11 2011 00:52 Ninjahoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 00:11 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 10 2011 21:25 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 10 2011 20:56 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 10 2011 20:25 resilve wrote:
Naniwa is exactly the kind of player that needs to be supported by the fans.What matters in this game is how good you are at starcraft2, not how good you are at blogging or replying to forum posts.
A true champion will often look heartless and cuthroat when he makes moves that are for the good of his career, and it is right that he should do so. This is wrong though. Of course skill and results should always speak the highest, but players need to realize there's more to being a professional gamer than just playing the game. Your skill alone got you to where you are now, and it's not like you will fall off the map because you help out your sponsors, your team, by doing different sponsor events and such. Just look at IdrA. He's still one of the best Zergs outside of korea and he's still putting up results, yet he streams, he even acts in commercials. If you look at any other sport this is true there as well. You see the top sportstars doing promotional videos and commercials for their sponsors, because in the end, they are the ones writing your checks. It should be a mutual cooperation where your team helps you out i.e sends you to events, pays you a salary, and you help them out by helping out with sponsor stuff, doing PR things for your team etc. Saying "Well I''ll simply play and you'll get exposure whenever I go to events I guess" doesn't nearly make their investment worth it, and this goes for any player. Actually you are way off target. Do you really think every pro soccer player is mr niceguy, doing promotions allt the time? Nope, and if they do any, they get massively paid. Many pro soccer players don't even do interviews. Ever. I think your comment is just a case of "the mascot" still being a sad panda  No I'm not way off target and where did I stay ever pro soccer player is mr niceguy, and why do you feel the need taking cheap shots at me when my situation is not even compareable to Naniwas in any way? I stated the "top sportstars" =/= every pro soccer player. Just like in SC2, there are the selected few that really are superstars while the rest are considered as only "good" and decent (Usually due to the fact that the super stars are the most skilled and have the highest results). I'm not saying people like CatZ or iNcoNtroL should get more recongnition than someone like Naniwa, what I'm trying to say is you can't go into professional gaming thinking you should only have to play the game and that is that. There is a lot more to it, and I pointed at IdrA as an example of someone who's both one of the most feared progamers outside of korea, and someone who works closely with his team & sponsors. Of course they get massively paid, that's why they do it. A lot of SC2 players fail to realize this correlation though. The closer you work with sponsors & your team = better likehood of you getting more money. Obviously i meant soccer superstars, my bad. You took the comparison to real sports, and i entered the discussion. The matter of fact is there is lots of soccer superstars, and many of them don't even do interviews. Take Zlatan for example. He does interviews, but is he always nice to the reporters? I would definitly say that Zlatan is really BM, however, he is still a superstar, and he is loved by so many people. When ever he makes something questionable it's forgotten the next day. Conclusion: Being a bit BM doesn't make you ineligible of being a superstar. I don't question that being a good guy for the sponsors sake etc is a bad thing, i too would try and make it as good as possible for my team sponsors. This doesn't mean that one should need to be a thousand times better player just to be on even terms with this "friendlier guy". Get it? And regarding me pulling cheap shots. First of all, I'd say you are looking to pull cheap shots on your former team mate, by "teaching him a lesson", as it looks from your former posts in this thread. And it wouldn't be a cheap shot unless you felt it was true yourself.
You are missing my point, and I'm not even arguing that Naniwa should have to be 1000 better than anyone who handles the media well. I've never stated being a bit BM makes you ineligble of being a superstar, again look at IdrA. Your behaviour in general, even if seen as BM, does not stop you from working with your sponsors and your management.
Reason why I said cheap shots is because you've obviously seen Nani joke around about that while he was in dignitas and now you are just trying to use it against me, while it has no relevance at all to the discussion. If you can't discuss without refraining from personal attacks then maybe you should just be quiet.
I'm not trying to "out naniwa" or anything here, my initial post was a response to someone saying results is the only thing that should matter. I was just trying to make a case why in the current state of esports, results is not the only thing that matters. Also coupled by the fact that having been to x amounts events and talked to other progamers I've noticed a lot of them just wants to play and doesn't really feel like they need to give anything else back to their organisation, which I don't think is the direction we want esports to go, because it won't be sustainable. Again not dropping names or targetting anyone specific.
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On December 11 2011 01:08 dignitas.merz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 00:52 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 11 2011 00:11 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 10 2011 21:25 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 10 2011 20:56 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 10 2011 20:25 resilve wrote:
Naniwa is exactly the kind of player that needs to be supported by the fans.What matters in this game is how good you are at starcraft2, not how good you are at blogging or replying to forum posts.
A true champion will often look heartless and cuthroat when he makes moves that are for the good of his career, and it is right that he should do so. This is wrong though. Of course skill and results should always speak the highest, but players need to realize there's more to being a professional gamer than just playing the game. Your skill alone got you to where you are now, and it's not like you will fall off the map because you help out your sponsors, your team, by doing different sponsor events and such. Just look at IdrA. He's still one of the best Zergs outside of korea and he's still putting up results, yet he streams, he even acts in commercials. If you look at any other sport this is true there as well. You see the top sportstars doing promotional videos and commercials for their sponsors, because in the end, they are the ones writing your checks. It should be a mutual cooperation where your team helps you out i.e sends you to events, pays you a salary, and you help them out by helping out with sponsor stuff, doing PR things for your team etc. Saying "Well I''ll simply play and you'll get exposure whenever I go to events I guess" doesn't nearly make their investment worth it, and this goes for any player. Actually you are way off target. Do you really think every pro soccer player is mr niceguy, doing promotions allt the time? Nope, and if they do any, they get massively paid. Many pro soccer players don't even do interviews. Ever. I think your comment is just a case of "the mascot" still being a sad panda No I'm not way off target and where did I stay ever pro soccer player is mr niceguy, and why do you feel the need taking cheap shots at me when my situation is not even compareable to Naniwas in any way? I stated the "top sportstars" =/= every pro soccer player. Just like in SC2, there are the selected few that really are superstars while the rest are considered as only "good" and decent (Usually due to the fact that the super stars are the most skilled and have the highest results). I'm not saying people like CatZ or iNcoNtroL should get more recongnition than someone like Naniwa, what I'm trying to say is you can't go into professional gaming thinking you should only have to play the game and that is that. There is a lot more to it, and I pointed at IdrA as an example of someone who's both one of the most feared progamers outside of korea, and someone who works closely with his team & sponsors. Of course they get massively paid, that's why they do it. A lot of SC2 players fail to realize this correlation though. The closer you work with sponsors & your team = better likehood of you getting more money. Obviously i meant soccer superstars, my bad. You took the comparison to real sports, and i entered the discussion. The matter of fact is there is lots of soccer superstars, and many of them don't even do interviews. Take Zlatan for example. He does interviews, but is he always nice to the reporters? I would definitly say that Zlatan is really BM, however, he is still a superstar, and he is loved by so many people. When ever he makes something questionable it's forgotten the next day. Conclusion: Being a bit BM doesn't make you ineligible of being a superstar. I don't question that being a good guy for the sponsors sake etc is a bad thing, i too would try and make it as good as possible for my team sponsors. This doesn't mean that one should need to be a thousand times better player just to be on even terms with this "friendlier guy". Get it? And regarding me pulling cheap shots. First of all, I'd say you are looking to pull cheap shots on your former team mate, by "teaching him a lesson", as it looks from your former posts in this thread. And it wouldn't be a cheap shot unless you felt it was true yourself. You are missing my point, and I'm not even arguing that Naniwa should have to be 1000 better than anyone who handles the media well. I've never stated being a bit BM makes you ineligble of being a superstar, again look at IdrA. Your behaviour in general, even if seen as BM, does not stop you from working with your sponsors and your management. Reason why I said cheap shots is because you've obviously seen Nani joke around about that while he was in dignitas and now you are just trying to use it against me, while it has no relevance at all to the discussion. If you can't discuss without refraining from personal attacks then maybe you should just be quiet. I'm not trying to "out naniwa" or anything here, my initial post was a response to someone saying results is the only thing that should matter. I was just trying to make a case why in the current state of esports, results is not the only thing that matters. Also coupled by the fact that having been to x amounts events and talked to other progamers I've noticed a lot of them just wants to play and doesn't really feel like they need to give anything else back to their organisation, which I don't think is the direction we want esports to go, because it won't be sustainable. Again not dropping names or targetting anyone specific.
A note to everyone out that: Merz is in the top list of players I have had the pleasure of interviewing, this guy is incredibly smart and such a nice guy 
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On December 11 2011 01:04 Apollo_Shards wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 23:39 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 10 2011 23:05 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 22:35 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 10 2011 22:10 Mstring wrote:On December 10 2011 22:07 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 10 2011 21:59 Mstring wrote:
Is this real life?
Carry on lads.
Fake edit: Go nani! >.> Hey big boy, thx for your insight! My insight would go right over your head. I'd rather just enjoy the show. Regards, Big boy Not surprising to see that someone who thinks he's the bee's knees would also thinks his insight is flying. You must be a student in psychology cause every post of yours yells "I can read your mind". You must be a student in sociology cause you can read my occupation in my posts, yet a terrible one since you confused psychology with telepathy. 1. Sociology is the study of groups, not occupations. 2. Again, he is correct because either telepathy or psychology would be correct in that case. 3. If you attempt to make other people look stupid it is best to at least use accurate statements when doing so.
1. Having an occupation makes you belong to a group and falls into sociology's field. Please get some notions of logic like one thing not excluding the other.
2. Psychology doesn't make you read minds, so he is not.
3. Exposing people's arguments just make them look the way they present themselves, also you're terrible at slandering.
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On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.
He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.
I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance.
You will not see his GSL performance, because he always gets stomped by mediocre Korean players.
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On December 11 2011 01:15 Hydroxyl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 01:04 Apollo_Shards wrote:On December 10 2011 23:39 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 10 2011 23:05 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 22:35 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 10 2011 22:10 Mstring wrote:On December 10 2011 22:07 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 10 2011 21:59 Mstring wrote:
Is this real life?
Carry on lads.
Fake edit: Go nani! >.> Hey big boy, thx for your insight! My insight would go right over your head. I'd rather just enjoy the show. Regards, Big boy Not surprising to see that someone who thinks he's the bee's knees would also thinks his insight is flying. You must be a student in psychology cause every post of yours yells "I can read your mind". You must be a student in sociology cause you can read my occupation in my posts, yet a terrible one since you confused psychology with telepathy. 1. Sociology is the study of groups, not occupations. 2. Again, he is correct because either telepathy or psychology would be correct in that case. 3. If you attempt to make other people look stupid it is best to at least use accurate statements when doing so. 1. Having an occupation makes you belong to a group and falls into sociology's field. Please get some notions of logic like one thing not excluding the other. 2. Psychology doesn't make you read minds, so he is not. 3. Exposing people just make them look the way they present themselves, also you're terrible at slandering.
Dude you are funny, and so smart.
Well telepathy doesn't actually exist and psychologists claim to understand peoples reasonings and motives for their actions so is there a reason why should I have suggested that you are a student in telepathy? Is there a logic to you whole premise? I said that your posts yell " I can read your mind", not that you actually can, but act ignorant like you could.
And again, your whole read on that guy was bad. So you are actually a bad student but ignorant in thinking that you are smart and schooled, this seen in all your posts.
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On December 11 2011 01:08 dignitas.merz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 00:52 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 11 2011 00:11 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 10 2011 21:25 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 10 2011 20:56 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 10 2011 20:25 resilve wrote:
Naniwa is exactly the kind of player that needs to be supported by the fans.What matters in this game is how good you are at starcraft2, not how good you are at blogging or replying to forum posts.
A true champion will often look heartless and cuthroat when he makes moves that are for the good of his career, and it is right that he should do so. This is wrong though. Of course skill and results should always speak the highest, but players need to realize there's more to being a professional gamer than just playing the game. Your skill alone got you to where you are now, and it's not like you will fall off the map because you help out your sponsors, your team, by doing different sponsor events and such. Just look at IdrA. He's still one of the best Zergs outside of korea and he's still putting up results, yet he streams, he even acts in commercials. If you look at any other sport this is true there as well. You see the top sportstars doing promotional videos and commercials for their sponsors, because in the end, they are the ones writing your checks. It should be a mutual cooperation where your team helps you out i.e sends you to events, pays you a salary, and you help them out by helping out with sponsor stuff, doing PR things for your team etc. Saying "Well I''ll simply play and you'll get exposure whenever I go to events I guess" doesn't nearly make their investment worth it, and this goes for any player. Actually you are way off target. Do you really think every pro soccer player is mr niceguy, doing promotions allt the time? Nope, and if they do any, they get massively paid. Many pro soccer players don't even do interviews. Ever. I think your comment is just a case of "the mascot" still being a sad panda No I'm not way off target and where did I stay ever pro soccer player is mr niceguy, and why do you feel the need taking cheap shots at me when my situation is not even compareable to Naniwas in any way? I stated the "top sportstars" =/= every pro soccer player. Just like in SC2, there are the selected few that really are superstars while the rest are considered as only "good" and decent (Usually due to the fact that the super stars are the most skilled and have the highest results). I'm not saying people like CatZ or iNcoNtroL should get more recongnition than someone like Naniwa, what I'm trying to say is you can't go into professional gaming thinking you should only have to play the game and that is that. There is a lot more to it, and I pointed at IdrA as an example of someone who's both one of the most feared progamers outside of korea, and someone who works closely with his team & sponsors. Of course they get massively paid, that's why they do it. A lot of SC2 players fail to realize this correlation though. The closer you work with sponsors & your team = better likehood of you getting more money. Obviously i meant soccer superstars, my bad. You took the comparison to real sports, and i entered the discussion. The matter of fact is there is lots of soccer superstars, and many of them don't even do interviews. Take Zlatan for example. He does interviews, but is he always nice to the reporters? I would definitly say that Zlatan is really BM, however, he is still a superstar, and he is loved by so many people. When ever he makes something questionable it's forgotten the next day. Conclusion: Being a bit BM doesn't make you ineligible of being a superstar. I don't question that being a good guy for the sponsors sake etc is a bad thing, i too would try and make it as good as possible for my team sponsors. This doesn't mean that one should need to be a thousand times better player just to be on even terms with this "friendlier guy". Get it? And regarding me pulling cheap shots. First of all, I'd say you are looking to pull cheap shots on your former team mate, by "teaching him a lesson", as it looks from your former posts in this thread. And it wouldn't be a cheap shot unless you felt it was true yourself. You are missing my point, and I'm not even arguing that Naniwa should have to be 1000 better than anyone who handles the media well. I've never stated being a bit BM makes you ineligble of being a superstar, again look at IdrA. Your behaviour in general, even if seen as BM, does not stop you from working with your sponsors and your management. Reason why I said cheap shots is because you've obviously seen Nani joke around about that while he was in dignitas and now you are just trying to use it against me, while it has no relevance at all to the discussion. If you can't discuss without refraining from personal attacks then maybe you should just be quiet. I'm not trying to "out naniwa" or anything here, my initial post was a response to someone saying results is the only thing that should matter. I was just trying to make a case why in the current state of esports, results is not the only thing that matters. Also coupled by the fact that having been to x amounts events and talked to other progamers I've noticed a lot of them just wants to play and doesn't really feel like they need to give anything else back to their organisation, which I don't think is the direction we want esports to go, because it won't be sustainable. Again not dropping names or targetting anyone specific.
Well IdrA has changed alot the past 6 months, I wouldn't really call him BM, but more of a troll.
Yet again I don't say that you shouldn't work with your sponsors, however It shouldn't get in the way of practice. I'm sure you know that naniwa have had quite a busy schedule?
Yep I did see nani joke about it, and I don't think u like it, and now you have the chance to give a little payback.
Your initial post were something with "Oh naniwa, when will you learn", i'm sure you haven't forgotten this one?
Also i want you to think about what you said of performance not being this important.
Do you wish for sc2 to become like BW?
Korean domination?
I think this would KILL the scene within a few years. We should cherish the "foreigners" who actually takes their practice seriously, instead of messing around with media and sponsors all the time (yes we do have a couple of media-sluts out there, no namedropping).
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On December 11 2011 01:08 dignitas.merz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 00:52 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 11 2011 00:11 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 10 2011 21:25 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 10 2011 20:56 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 10 2011 20:25 resilve wrote:
Naniwa is exactly the kind of player that needs to be supported by the fans.What matters in this game is how good you are at starcraft2, not how good you are at blogging or replying to forum posts.
A true champion will often look heartless and cuthroat when he makes moves that are for the good of his career, and it is right that he should do so. This is wrong though. Of course skill and results should always speak the highest, but players need to realize there's more to being a professional gamer than just playing the game. Your skill alone got you to where you are now, and it's not like you will fall off the map because you help out your sponsors, your team, by doing different sponsor events and such. Just look at IdrA. He's still one of the best Zergs outside of korea and he's still putting up results, yet he streams, he even acts in commercials. If you look at any other sport this is true there as well. You see the top sportstars doing promotional videos and commercials for their sponsors, because in the end, they are the ones writing your checks. It should be a mutual cooperation where your team helps you out i.e sends you to events, pays you a salary, and you help them out by helping out with sponsor stuff, doing PR things for your team etc. Saying "Well I''ll simply play and you'll get exposure whenever I go to events I guess" doesn't nearly make their investment worth it, and this goes for any player. Actually you are way off target. Do you really think every pro soccer player is mr niceguy, doing promotions allt the time? Nope, and if they do any, they get massively paid. Many pro soccer players don't even do interviews. Ever. I think your comment is just a case of "the mascot" still being a sad panda No I'm not way off target and where did I stay ever pro soccer player is mr niceguy, and why do you feel the need taking cheap shots at me when my situation is not even compareable to Naniwas in any way? I stated the "top sportstars" =/= every pro soccer player. Just like in SC2, there are the selected few that really are superstars while the rest are considered as only "good" and decent (Usually due to the fact that the super stars are the most skilled and have the highest results). I'm not saying people like CatZ or iNcoNtroL should get more recongnition than someone like Naniwa, what I'm trying to say is you can't go into professional gaming thinking you should only have to play the game and that is that. There is a lot more to it, and I pointed at IdrA as an example of someone who's both one of the most feared progamers outside of korea, and someone who works closely with his team & sponsors. Of course they get massively paid, that's why they do it. A lot of SC2 players fail to realize this correlation though. The closer you work with sponsors & your team = better likehood of you getting more money. Obviously i meant soccer superstars, my bad. You took the comparison to real sports, and i entered the discussion. The matter of fact is there is lots of soccer superstars, and many of them don't even do interviews. Take Zlatan for example. He does interviews, but is he always nice to the reporters? I would definitly say that Zlatan is really BM, however, he is still a superstar, and he is loved by so many people. When ever he makes something questionable it's forgotten the next day. Conclusion: Being a bit BM doesn't make you ineligible of being a superstar. I don't question that being a good guy for the sponsors sake etc is a bad thing, i too would try and make it as good as possible for my team sponsors. This doesn't mean that one should need to be a thousand times better player just to be on even terms with this "friendlier guy". Get it? And regarding me pulling cheap shots. First of all, I'd say you are looking to pull cheap shots on your former team mate, by "teaching him a lesson", as it looks from your former posts in this thread. And it wouldn't be a cheap shot unless you felt it was true yourself. You are missing my point, and I'm not even arguing that Naniwa should have to be 1000 better than anyone who handles the media well. I've never stated being a bit BM makes you ineligble of being a superstar, again look at IdrA. Your behaviour in general, even if seen as BM, does not stop you from working with your sponsors and your management. Reason why I said cheap shots is because you've obviously seen Nani joke around about that while he was in dignitas and now you are just trying to use it against me, while it has no relevance at all to the discussion. If you can't discuss without refraining from personal attacks then maybe you should just be quiet. I'm not trying to "out naniwa" or anything here, my initial post was a response to someone saying results is the only thing that should matter. I was just trying to make a case why in the current state of esports, results is not the only thing that matters. Also coupled by the fact that having been to x amounts events and talked to other progamers I've noticed a lot of them just wants to play and doesn't really feel like they need to give anything else back to their organisation, which I don't think is the direction we want esports to go, because it won't be sustainable. Again not dropping names or targetting anyone specific.
Merz is obviously correct and has also thought this through a few times. There's nothing incredibly mindblowing or insulting to anyone in his post, its just how the world works. More or less.
But yes, Naniwa does not have to give interviews (unless it says so in his contract etc) but if someone with the same skill level as he would also be great with media, they would probably get paid more than he does. If he would rather take a lower pay and work less with press/media I am sure that can be accomplished and I am also sure that Naniwa is aware of that.
Btw, that last part was not a reply specifically to Merz but rather to this whole discussion which at times are confusing.
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On December 11 2011 01:13 JBanKs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 01:08 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 11 2011 00:52 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 11 2011 00:11 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 10 2011 21:25 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 10 2011 20:56 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 10 2011 20:25 resilve wrote:
Naniwa is exactly the kind of player that needs to be supported by the fans.What matters in this game is how good you are at starcraft2, not how good you are at blogging or replying to forum posts.
A true champion will often look heartless and cuthroat when he makes moves that are for the good of his career, and it is right that he should do so. This is wrong though. Of course skill and results should always speak the highest, but players need to realize there's more to being a professional gamer than just playing the game. Your skill alone got you to where you are now, and it's not like you will fall off the map because you help out your sponsors, your team, by doing different sponsor events and such. Just look at IdrA. He's still one of the best Zergs outside of korea and he's still putting up results, yet he streams, he even acts in commercials. If you look at any other sport this is true there as well. You see the top sportstars doing promotional videos and commercials for their sponsors, because in the end, they are the ones writing your checks. It should be a mutual cooperation where your team helps you out i.e sends you to events, pays you a salary, and you help them out by helping out with sponsor stuff, doing PR things for your team etc. Saying "Well I''ll simply play and you'll get exposure whenever I go to events I guess" doesn't nearly make their investment worth it, and this goes for any player. Actually you are way off target. Do you really think every pro soccer player is mr niceguy, doing promotions allt the time? Nope, and if they do any, they get massively paid. Many pro soccer players don't even do interviews. Ever. I think your comment is just a case of "the mascot" still being a sad panda No I'm not way off target and where did I stay ever pro soccer player is mr niceguy, and why do you feel the need taking cheap shots at me when my situation is not even compareable to Naniwas in any way? I stated the "top sportstars" =/= every pro soccer player. Just like in SC2, there are the selected few that really are superstars while the rest are considered as only "good" and decent (Usually due to the fact that the super stars are the most skilled and have the highest results). I'm not saying people like CatZ or iNcoNtroL should get more recongnition than someone like Naniwa, what I'm trying to say is you can't go into professional gaming thinking you should only have to play the game and that is that. There is a lot more to it, and I pointed at IdrA as an example of someone who's both one of the most feared progamers outside of korea, and someone who works closely with his team & sponsors. Of course they get massively paid, that's why they do it. A lot of SC2 players fail to realize this correlation though. The closer you work with sponsors & your team = better likehood of you getting more money. Obviously i meant soccer superstars, my bad. You took the comparison to real sports, and i entered the discussion. The matter of fact is there is lots of soccer superstars, and many of them don't even do interviews. Take Zlatan for example. He does interviews, but is he always nice to the reporters? I would definitly say that Zlatan is really BM, however, he is still a superstar, and he is loved by so many people. When ever he makes something questionable it's forgotten the next day. Conclusion: Being a bit BM doesn't make you ineligible of being a superstar. I don't question that being a good guy for the sponsors sake etc is a bad thing, i too would try and make it as good as possible for my team sponsors. This doesn't mean that one should need to be a thousand times better player just to be on even terms with this "friendlier guy". Get it? And regarding me pulling cheap shots. First of all, I'd say you are looking to pull cheap shots on your former team mate, by "teaching him a lesson", as it looks from your former posts in this thread. And it wouldn't be a cheap shot unless you felt it was true yourself. You are missing my point, and I'm not even arguing that Naniwa should have to be 1000 better than anyone who handles the media well. I've never stated being a bit BM makes you ineligble of being a superstar, again look at IdrA. Your behaviour in general, even if seen as BM, does not stop you from working with your sponsors and your management. Reason why I said cheap shots is because you've obviously seen Nani joke around about that while he was in dignitas and now you are just trying to use it against me, while it has no relevance at all to the discussion. If you can't discuss without refraining from personal attacks then maybe you should just be quiet. I'm not trying to "out naniwa" or anything here, my initial post was a response to someone saying results is the only thing that should matter. I was just trying to make a case why in the current state of esports, results is not the only thing that matters. Also coupled by the fact that having been to x amounts events and talked to other progamers I've noticed a lot of them just wants to play and doesn't really feel like they need to give anything else back to their organisation, which I don't think is the direction we want esports to go, because it won't be sustainable. Again not dropping names or targetting anyone specific. A note to everyone out that: Merz is in the top list of players I have had the pleasure of interviewing, this guy is incredibly smart and such a nice guy
Sometimes that's not enough to convice us of what he is trying to sell...
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On December 11 2011 01:38 ravemir wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 01:13 JBanKs wrote:On December 11 2011 01:08 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 11 2011 00:52 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 11 2011 00:11 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 10 2011 21:25 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 10 2011 20:56 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 10 2011 20:25 resilve wrote:
Naniwa is exactly the kind of player that needs to be supported by the fans.What matters in this game is how good you are at starcraft2, not how good you are at blogging or replying to forum posts.
A true champion will often look heartless and cuthroat when he makes moves that are for the good of his career, and it is right that he should do so. This is wrong though. Of course skill and results should always speak the highest, but players need to realize there's more to being a professional gamer than just playing the game. Your skill alone got you to where you are now, and it's not like you will fall off the map because you help out your sponsors, your team, by doing different sponsor events and such. Just look at IdrA. He's still one of the best Zergs outside of korea and he's still putting up results, yet he streams, he even acts in commercials. If you look at any other sport this is true there as well. You see the top sportstars doing promotional videos and commercials for their sponsors, because in the end, they are the ones writing your checks. It should be a mutual cooperation where your team helps you out i.e sends you to events, pays you a salary, and you help them out by helping out with sponsor stuff, doing PR things for your team etc. Saying "Well I''ll simply play and you'll get exposure whenever I go to events I guess" doesn't nearly make their investment worth it, and this goes for any player. Actually you are way off target. Do you really think every pro soccer player is mr niceguy, doing promotions allt the time? Nope, and if they do any, they get massively paid. Many pro soccer players don't even do interviews. Ever. I think your comment is just a case of "the mascot" still being a sad panda No I'm not way off target and where did I stay ever pro soccer player is mr niceguy, and why do you feel the need taking cheap shots at me when my situation is not even compareable to Naniwas in any way? I stated the "top sportstars" =/= every pro soccer player. Just like in SC2, there are the selected few that really are superstars while the rest are considered as only "good" and decent (Usually due to the fact that the super stars are the most skilled and have the highest results). I'm not saying people like CatZ or iNcoNtroL should get more recongnition than someone like Naniwa, what I'm trying to say is you can't go into professional gaming thinking you should only have to play the game and that is that. There is a lot more to it, and I pointed at IdrA as an example of someone who's both one of the most feared progamers outside of korea, and someone who works closely with his team & sponsors. Of course they get massively paid, that's why they do it. A lot of SC2 players fail to realize this correlation though. The closer you work with sponsors & your team = better likehood of you getting more money. Obviously i meant soccer superstars, my bad. You took the comparison to real sports, and i entered the discussion. The matter of fact is there is lots of soccer superstars, and many of them don't even do interviews. Take Zlatan for example. He does interviews, but is he always nice to the reporters? I would definitly say that Zlatan is really BM, however, he is still a superstar, and he is loved by so many people. When ever he makes something questionable it's forgotten the next day. Conclusion: Being a bit BM doesn't make you ineligible of being a superstar. I don't question that being a good guy for the sponsors sake etc is a bad thing, i too would try and make it as good as possible for my team sponsors. This doesn't mean that one should need to be a thousand times better player just to be on even terms with this "friendlier guy". Get it? And regarding me pulling cheap shots. First of all, I'd say you are looking to pull cheap shots on your former team mate, by "teaching him a lesson", as it looks from your former posts in this thread. And it wouldn't be a cheap shot unless you felt it was true yourself. You are missing my point, and I'm not even arguing that Naniwa should have to be 1000 better than anyone who handles the media well. I've never stated being a bit BM makes you ineligble of being a superstar, again look at IdrA. Your behaviour in general, even if seen as BM, does not stop you from working with your sponsors and your management. Reason why I said cheap shots is because you've obviously seen Nani joke around about that while he was in dignitas and now you are just trying to use it against me, while it has no relevance at all to the discussion. If you can't discuss without refraining from personal attacks then maybe you should just be quiet. I'm not trying to "out naniwa" or anything here, my initial post was a response to someone saying results is the only thing that should matter. I was just trying to make a case why in the current state of esports, results is not the only thing that matters. Also coupled by the fact that having been to x amounts events and talked to other progamers I've noticed a lot of them just wants to play and doesn't really feel like they need to give anything else back to their organisation, which I don't think is the direction we want esports to go, because it won't be sustainable. Again not dropping names or targetting anyone specific. A note to everyone out that: Merz is in the top list of players I have had the pleasure of interviewing, this guy is incredibly smart and such a nice guy Sometimes that's not enough to convice us of what he is trying to sell...
What, the truth about the industry?
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Let's say this is what happened. This is entirely hypothetical, I'm not in the know at all.
coL picks NaNiwa up on 20 September. After that, he plays in BlizzCon 2011, DreamHack Winter and MLG Providence. He also plays in Code A and the Global Invitational. coL asks him to participate in the IPL 3 open qualifier, try to qualify for IEM Guangzhou and ESWC and participate in MLG Orlando. NaNiwa declines all four in favor of focusing on GSL and practice for Providence. Is that admirable behavior in your opinion?
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On December 11 2011 01:33 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 01:15 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 11 2011 01:04 Apollo_Shards wrote:On December 10 2011 23:39 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 10 2011 23:05 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 22:35 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 10 2011 22:10 Mstring wrote:On December 10 2011 22:07 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 10 2011 21:59 Mstring wrote:
Is this real life?
Carry on lads.
Fake edit: Go nani! >.> Hey big boy, thx for your insight! My insight would go right over your head. I'd rather just enjoy the show. Regards, Big boy Not surprising to see that someone who thinks he's the bee's knees would also thinks his insight is flying. You must be a student in psychology cause every post of yours yells "I can read your mind". You must be a student in sociology cause you can read my occupation in my posts, yet a terrible one since you confused psychology with telepathy. 1. Sociology is the study of groups, not occupations. 2. Again, he is correct because either telepathy or psychology would be correct in that case. 3. If you attempt to make other people look stupid it is best to at least use accurate statements when doing so. 1. Having an occupation makes you belong to a group and falls into sociology's field. Please get some notions of logic like one thing not excluding the other. 2. Psychology doesn't make you read minds, so he is not. 3. Exposing people just make them look the way they present themselves, also you're terrible at slandering. Dude you are funny, and so smart. Well telepathy doesn't actually exist and psychologists claim to understand peoples reasonings and motives for their actions so is there a reason why should I have suggested that you are a student in telepathy? Is there a logic to you whole premise? I said that your posts yell " I can read your mind", not that you actually can, but act ignorant like you could. And again, your whole read on that guy was bad. So you are actually a bad student but ignorant in thinking that you are smart and schooled, this seen in all your posts.
Sarcasm and irony is pretty much the backup veil that someone puts on himself after having been publicly exposed.
Still remains one question, why do you bother formulate words if you're not going to stand by them?
You used the formula "read someone's mind" yet I tell you that's the definition of telepathy not psychology, and psychology doesn't pretend doing that, so why do you have to keep up bringing this belief out your ass and put it in my own mouth.
If reading someone's mind doesn't exist as you're saying now why do you claim in the first place that it is what I try and pretend doing?
You tell me that I am ignorant now because I cannot read minds as it doesn't exist but that I think I can, but it is you that brought up the whole concept of reading minds and you that believe that it is what I can be labelled for.
Yet you call people students in psychology but you're the one here that claims to be able to say what is my read on someone and if that read is good or bad, before you try to argue about anything did you take care about not shooting in your own foot?
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Shame there is no transcript. I cba with a 7 min interview.
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I understand nani here, even tho i dont like him. Who wants to be on such a jokerteam that supports people like catz, streaming and all that shit?
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On December 11 2011 01:52 DiamondTear wrote:
Shame there is no transcript. I cba with a 7 min interview.
Thanks for posting, we'll make sure to have all interviews be a more appropriate length for you in the future.
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On December 11 2011 01:34 Ninjahoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 01:08 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 11 2011 00:52 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 11 2011 00:11 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 10 2011 21:25 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 10 2011 20:56 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 10 2011 20:25 resilve wrote:
Naniwa is exactly the kind of player that needs to be supported by the fans.What matters in this game is how good you are at starcraft2, not how good you are at blogging or replying to forum posts.
A true champion will often look heartless and cuthroat when he makes moves that are for the good of his career, and it is right that he should do so. This is wrong though. Of course skill and results should always speak the highest, but players need to realize there's more to being a professional gamer than just playing the game. Your skill alone got you to where you are now, and it's not like you will fall off the map because you help out your sponsors, your team, by doing different sponsor events and such. Just look at IdrA. He's still one of the best Zergs outside of korea and he's still putting up results, yet he streams, he even acts in commercials. If you look at any other sport this is true there as well. You see the top sportstars doing promotional videos and commercials for their sponsors, because in the end, they are the ones writing your checks. It should be a mutual cooperation where your team helps you out i.e sends you to events, pays you a salary, and you help them out by helping out with sponsor stuff, doing PR things for your team etc. Saying "Well I''ll simply play and you'll get exposure whenever I go to events I guess" doesn't nearly make their investment worth it, and this goes for any player. Actually you are way off target. Do you really think every pro soccer player is mr niceguy, doing promotions allt the time? Nope, and if they do any, they get massively paid. Many pro soccer players don't even do interviews. Ever. I think your comment is just a case of "the mascot" still being a sad panda No I'm not way off target and where did I stay ever pro soccer player is mr niceguy, and why do you feel the need taking cheap shots at me when my situation is not even compareable to Naniwas in any way? I stated the "top sportstars" =/= every pro soccer player. Just like in SC2, there are the selected few that really are superstars while the rest are considered as only "good" and decent (Usually due to the fact that the super stars are the most skilled and have the highest results). I'm not saying people like CatZ or iNcoNtroL should get more recongnition than someone like Naniwa, what I'm trying to say is you can't go into professional gaming thinking you should only have to play the game and that is that. There is a lot more to it, and I pointed at IdrA as an example of someone who's both one of the most feared progamers outside of korea, and someone who works closely with his team & sponsors. Of course they get massively paid, that's why they do it. A lot of SC2 players fail to realize this correlation though. The closer you work with sponsors & your team = better likehood of you getting more money. Obviously i meant soccer superstars, my bad. You took the comparison to real sports, and i entered the discussion. The matter of fact is there is lots of soccer superstars, and many of them don't even do interviews. Take Zlatan for example. He does interviews, but is he always nice to the reporters? I would definitly say that Zlatan is really BM, however, he is still a superstar, and he is loved by so many people. When ever he makes something questionable it's forgotten the next day. Conclusion: Being a bit BM doesn't make you ineligible of being a superstar. I don't question that being a good guy for the sponsors sake etc is a bad thing, i too would try and make it as good as possible for my team sponsors. This doesn't mean that one should need to be a thousand times better player just to be on even terms with this "friendlier guy". Get it? And regarding me pulling cheap shots. First of all, I'd say you are looking to pull cheap shots on your former team mate, by "teaching him a lesson", as it looks from your former posts in this thread. And it wouldn't be a cheap shot unless you felt it was true yourself. You are missing my point, and I'm not even arguing that Naniwa should have to be 1000 better than anyone who handles the media well. I've never stated being a bit BM makes you ineligble of being a superstar, again look at IdrA. Your behaviour in general, even if seen as BM, does not stop you from working with your sponsors and your management. Reason why I said cheap shots is because you've obviously seen Nani joke around about that while he was in dignitas and now you are just trying to use it against me, while it has no relevance at all to the discussion. If you can't discuss without refraining from personal attacks then maybe you should just be quiet. I'm not trying to "out naniwa" or anything here, my initial post was a response to someone saying results is the only thing that should matter. I was just trying to make a case why in the current state of esports, results is not the only thing that matters. Also coupled by the fact that having been to x amounts events and talked to other progamers I've noticed a lot of them just wants to play and doesn't really feel like they need to give anything else back to their organisation, which I don't think is the direction we want esports to go, because it won't be sustainable. Again not dropping names or targetting anyone specific. Well IdrA has changed alot the past 6 months, I wouldn't really call him BM, but more of a troll. Yet again I don't say that you shouldn't work with your sponsors, however It shouldn't get in the way of practice. I'm sure you know that naniwa have had quite a busy schedule? Yep I did see nani joke about it, and I don't think u like it, and now you have the chance to give a little payback. Your initial post were something with "Oh naniwa, when will you learn", i'm sure you haven't forgotten this one? Also i want you to think about what you said of performance not being this important. Do you wish for sc2 to become like BW? Korean domination? I think this would KILL the scene within a few years. We should cherish the "foreigners" who actually takes their practice seriously, instead of messing around with media and sponsors all the time (yes we do have a couple of media-sluts out there, no namedropping).
Yes I get that but why do you feel the need to use it against me in a discussion here? If you mean by "not liking it" then yes, I don't like the fact that I can't play SC2 fulltime and practice as much as anyone else. I would love to play this game fulltime and give it my best shot at see how I measure up, so whenever someone comments on me not being as good as someone who's playing fulltime it stings, because there's nothing more I'd like to do now than just that.
My initial post as you call it, was in a different thread and you don't know what I mean by "oh nani when will you learn?  ". Fyi It's irrelevant to what I stated in this thread and out of respect for Naniwa as a person I'm not going to go into details about that. Also I think it's funny that you seem to know more of how I feel about my former teammate than someone, me for example, who spent nearly 8 in the same team with the guy. I also said "I hope it works out in Quantic" and I really meant that, I'm not trying to wish nani misfortune.
Again you are misunderstanding because if you read my post I already stated and agreed that results will always matter the most (at least in my book) but there are other variables that needs to be taken into consideration. Your example of korean domination can be turned against you as well. Do you wish players to stop playing because they can't secure salaries or doesn't get to go to events? Because long term that's what's gonna happend if we don't cooperate with sponsors, they are funding all this.
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On December 11 2011 01:50 Hydroxyl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 01:33 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 11 2011 01:15 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 11 2011 01:04 Apollo_Shards wrote:On December 10 2011 23:39 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 10 2011 23:05 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 22:35 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 10 2011 22:10 Mstring wrote:On December 10 2011 22:07 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 10 2011 21:59 Mstring wrote:
Is this real life?
Carry on lads.
Fake edit: Go nani! >.> Hey big boy, thx for your insight! My insight would go right over your head. I'd rather just enjoy the show. Regards, Big boy Not surprising to see that someone who thinks he's the bee's knees would also thinks his insight is flying. You must be a student in psychology cause every post of yours yells "I can read your mind". You must be a student in sociology cause you can read my occupation in my posts, yet a terrible one since you confused psychology with telepathy. 1. Sociology is the study of groups, not occupations. 2. Again, he is correct because either telepathy or psychology would be correct in that case. 3. If you attempt to make other people look stupid it is best to at least use accurate statements when doing so. 1. Having an occupation makes you belong to a group and falls into sociology's field. Please get some notions of logic like one thing not excluding the other. 2. Psychology doesn't make you read minds, so he is not. 3. Exposing people just make them look the way they present themselves, also you're terrible at slandering. Dude you are funny, and so smart. Well telepathy doesn't actually exist and psychologists claim to understand peoples reasonings and motives for their actions so is there a reason why should I have suggested that you are a student in telepathy? Is there a logic to you whole premise? I said that your posts yell " I can read your mind", not that you actually can, but act ignorant like you could. And again, your whole read on that guy was bad. So you are actually a bad student but ignorant in thinking that you are smart and schooled, this seen in all your posts. Sarcasm and irony is pretty much the backup veil that someone puts on his own idiocy after it has been publicly exposed. Still remains one question, why do you bother formulate words if you're not going to stand by them? You used the formula "read someone's mind" yet I tell you that's the definition of telepathy not psychology, and psychology doesn't pretend doing that, so why do you have to keep up bringing this belief out your ass and put it in my own mouth. If reading someone's mind doesn't exist as you're saying now why do you claim in the first place that it is what I try and pretend doing? You tell me that I am ignorant now because I cannot read minds as it doesn't exist but that I think I can, but it is you that brought up the whole concept of reading minds and you that believe that it is what I can be labelled for. Yet you call people students in psychology but you're the one here that claims to be able to say what is my read on someone and if that read is good or bad, before you try to argue about anything did you take care about not shooting in your own foot?
So natural sarcasm does not exist? I need to be publicly exposed to be allowed to use it? Is this what they taught you there?
Psychology is the nearest thing a person can come to regarding reading minds and you made a profile of that person based on a phrase. You misinterpreted hard the subject but pretended to knew what his reasoning was.
When I accused you for acting like you could read minds I was exaggerating to show you how off you are in your judgment but you tried to take that literally just to make that a case and teach me a lesson that telepathy is what reads minds.
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On December 11 2011 01:19 Kilgort wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.
He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.
I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance. You will not see his GSL performance, because he always gets stomped by mediocre Korean players.
No, he also got a code S spot for beating 3 players.
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On December 11 2011 01:59 dignitas.merz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 01:34 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 11 2011 01:08 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 11 2011 00:52 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 11 2011 00:11 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 10 2011 21:25 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 10 2011 20:56 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 10 2011 20:25 resilve wrote:
Naniwa is exactly the kind of player that needs to be supported by the fans.What matters in this game is how good you are at starcraft2, not how good you are at blogging or replying to forum posts.
A true champion will often look heartless and cuthroat when he makes moves that are for the good of his career, and it is right that he should do so. This is wrong though. Of course skill and results should always speak the highest, but players need to realize there's more to being a professional gamer than just playing the game. Your skill alone got you to where you are now, and it's not like you will fall off the map because you help out your sponsors, your team, by doing different sponsor events and such. Just look at IdrA. He's still one of the best Zergs outside of korea and he's still putting up results, yet he streams, he even acts in commercials. If you look at any other sport this is true there as well. You see the top sportstars doing promotional videos and commercials for their sponsors, because in the end, they are the ones writing your checks. It should be a mutual cooperation where your team helps you out i.e sends you to events, pays you a salary, and you help them out by helping out with sponsor stuff, doing PR things for your team etc. Saying "Well I''ll simply play and you'll get exposure whenever I go to events I guess" doesn't nearly make their investment worth it, and this goes for any player. Actually you are way off target. Do you really think every pro soccer player is mr niceguy, doing promotions allt the time? Nope, and if they do any, they get massively paid. Many pro soccer players don't even do interviews. Ever. I think your comment is just a case of "the mascot" still being a sad panda No I'm not way off target and where did I stay ever pro soccer player is mr niceguy, and why do you feel the need taking cheap shots at me when my situation is not even compareable to Naniwas in any way? I stated the "top sportstars" =/= every pro soccer player. Just like in SC2, there are the selected few that really are superstars while the rest are considered as only "good" and decent (Usually due to the fact that the super stars are the most skilled and have the highest results). I'm not saying people like CatZ or iNcoNtroL should get more recongnition than someone like Naniwa, what I'm trying to say is you can't go into professional gaming thinking you should only have to play the game and that is that. There is a lot more to it, and I pointed at IdrA as an example of someone who's both one of the most feared progamers outside of korea, and someone who works closely with his team & sponsors. Of course they get massively paid, that's why they do it. A lot of SC2 players fail to realize this correlation though. The closer you work with sponsors & your team = better likehood of you getting more money. Obviously i meant soccer superstars, my bad. You took the comparison to real sports, and i entered the discussion. The matter of fact is there is lots of soccer superstars, and many of them don't even do interviews. Take Zlatan for example. He does interviews, but is he always nice to the reporters? I would definitly say that Zlatan is really BM, however, he is still a superstar, and he is loved by so many people. When ever he makes something questionable it's forgotten the next day. Conclusion: Being a bit BM doesn't make you ineligible of being a superstar. I don't question that being a good guy for the sponsors sake etc is a bad thing, i too would try and make it as good as possible for my team sponsors. This doesn't mean that one should need to be a thousand times better player just to be on even terms with this "friendlier guy". Get it? And regarding me pulling cheap shots. First of all, I'd say you are looking to pull cheap shots on your former team mate, by "teaching him a lesson", as it looks from your former posts in this thread. And it wouldn't be a cheap shot unless you felt it was true yourself. You are missing my point, and I'm not even arguing that Naniwa should have to be 1000 better than anyone who handles the media well. I've never stated being a bit BM makes you ineligble of being a superstar, again look at IdrA. Your behaviour in general, even if seen as BM, does not stop you from working with your sponsors and your management. Reason why I said cheap shots is because you've obviously seen Nani joke around about that while he was in dignitas and now you are just trying to use it against me, while it has no relevance at all to the discussion. If you can't discuss without refraining from personal attacks then maybe you should just be quiet. I'm not trying to "out naniwa" or anything here, my initial post was a response to someone saying results is the only thing that should matter. I was just trying to make a case why in the current state of esports, results is not the only thing that matters. Also coupled by the fact that having been to x amounts events and talked to other progamers I've noticed a lot of them just wants to play and doesn't really feel like they need to give anything else back to their organisation, which I don't think is the direction we want esports to go, because it won't be sustainable. Again not dropping names or targetting anyone specific. Well IdrA has changed alot the past 6 months, I wouldn't really call him BM, but more of a troll. Yet again I don't say that you shouldn't work with your sponsors, however It shouldn't get in the way of practice. I'm sure you know that naniwa have had quite a busy schedule? Yep I did see nani joke about it, and I don't think u like it, and now you have the chance to give a little payback. Your initial post were something with "Oh naniwa, when will you learn", i'm sure you haven't forgotten this one? Also i want you to think about what you said of performance not being this important. Do you wish for sc2 to become like BW? Korean domination? I think this would KILL the scene within a few years. We should cherish the "foreigners" who actually takes their practice seriously, instead of messing around with media and sponsors all the time (yes we do have a couple of media-sluts out there, no namedropping). Yes I get that but why do you feel the need to use it against me in a discussion here? If you mean by "not liking it" then yes, I don't like the fact that I can't play SC2 fulltime and practice as much as anyone else. I would love to play this game fulltime and give it my best shot at see how I measure up, so whenever someone comments on me not being as good as someone who's playing fulltime it stings, because there's nothing more I'd like to do now than just that. My initial post as you call it, was in a different thread and you don't know what I mean by "oh nani when will you learn? ". Fyi It's irrelevant to what I stated in this thread and out of respect for Naniwa as a person I'm not going to go into details about that. Also I think it's funny that you seem to know more of how I feel about my former teammate than someone, me for example, who spent nearly 8 in the same team with the guy. I also said "I hope it works out in Quantic" and I really meant that, I'm not trying to wish nani misfortune. Again you are misunderstanding because if you read my post I already stated and agreed that results will always matter the most (at least in my book) but there are other variables that needs to be taken into consideration. Your example of korean domination can be turned against you as well. Do you wish players to stop playing because they can't secure salaries or doesn't get to go to events? Because long term that's what's gonna happend if we don't cooperate with sponsors, they are funding all this.
I thought you spent this last summer doing just this?
However this is not really about you, so let's leave that discussion for a more proper time.
Yes, a diffrent thread, but really wouldn't you say that this one is just an extension of the other?
It's the same topic, but featured a comment from nani.
I have been given the impression that you didn't fancy him, please tell me i'm wrong if that's the case.
Well you did say that, and maybe you meant it.
But so did Jason Lake, and he were obviously not pleased with this turn of events, and didn't mean what he said about wishing him good luck. So you could see why i would think you weren't very sincere either.
Okay, then i guess we agree on this point, but it didn't sound like this at all, but if you say this is the case, then we are on the same page.
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