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Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
December 10 2011 17:28 GMT
#441
On December 11 2011 01:50 Hydroxyl wrote:
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On December 11 2011 01:33 ceaRshaf wrote:
On December 11 2011 01:15 Hydroxyl wrote:
On December 11 2011 01:04 Apollo_Shards wrote:
On December 10 2011 23:39 Hydroxyl wrote:
On December 10 2011 23:05 ceaRshaf wrote:
On December 10 2011 22:35 Hydroxyl wrote:
On December 10 2011 22:10 Mstring wrote:
On December 10 2011 22:07 Hydroxyl wrote:
On December 10 2011 21:59 Mstring wrote:

Is this real life?

Carry on lads.

Fake edit: Go nani! >.>


Hey big boy, thx for your insight!


My insight would go right over your head. I'd rather just enjoy the show.

Regards,
Big boy


Not surprising to see that someone who thinks he's the bee's knees would also thinks his insight is flying.


You must be a student in psychology cause every post of yours yells "I can read your mind".


You must be a student in sociology cause you can read my occupation in my posts, yet a terrible one since you confused psychology with telepathy.


1. Sociology is the study of groups, not occupations.
2. Again, he is correct because either telepathy or psychology would be correct in that case.
3. If you attempt to make other people look stupid it is best to at least use accurate statements when doing so.


1. Having an occupation makes you belong to a group and falls into sociology's field. Please get some notions of logic like one thing not excluding the other.
2. Psychology doesn't make you read minds, so he is not.
3. Exposing people just make them look the way they present themselves, also you're terrible at slandering.


Dude you are funny, and so smart.

Well telepathy doesn't actually exist and psychologists claim to understand peoples reasonings and motives for their actions so is there a reason why should I have suggested that you are a student in telepathy? Is there a logic to you whole premise? I said that your posts yell " I can read your mind", not that you actually can, but act ignorant like you could.

And again, your whole read on that guy was bad. So you are actually a bad student but ignorant in thinking that you are smart and schooled, this seen in all your posts.


Sarcasm and irony is pretty much the backup veil that someone puts on himself after having been publicly exposed.
Still remains one question, why do you bother formulate words if you're not going to stand by them?

You used the formula "read someone's mind" yet I tell you that's the definition of telepathy not psychology, and psychology doesn't pretend doing that, so why do you have to keep up bringing this belief out your ass and put it in my own mouth.
If reading someone's mind doesn't exist as you're saying now why do you claim in the first place that it is what I try and pretend doing?
You tell me that I am ignorant now because I cannot read minds as it doesn't exist but that I think I can, but it is you that brought up the whole concept of reading minds and you that believe that it is what I can be labelled for.

Yet you call people students in psychology but you're the one here that claims to be able to say what is my read on someone and if that read is good or bad, before you try to argue about anything did you take care about not shooting in your own foot?



No amount of circle reasoning and backwards logic can hide the fact that you are quite unintelligent.

User was temp banned for this post.
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motionSIGN
Profile Joined December 2011
Andorra45 Posts
December 10 2011 17:29 GMT
#442
trololol naniwa ._.

Never liked that guy

User was warned for this post
Meeeow
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
December 10 2011 17:32 GMT
#443
On December 11 2011 02:27 Ninjahoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 01:59 dignitas.merz wrote:
On December 11 2011 01:34 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 11 2011 01:08 dignitas.merz wrote:
On December 11 2011 00:52 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 11 2011 00:11 dignitas.merz wrote:
On December 10 2011 21:25 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 10 2011 20:56 dignitas.merz wrote:
On December 10 2011 20:25 resilve wrote:
Naniwa is exactly the kind of player that needs to be supported by the fans.What matters in this game is how good you are at starcraft2, not how good you are at blogging or replying to forum posts.

A true champion will often look heartless and cuthroat when he makes moves that are for the good of his career, and it is right that he should do so.


This is wrong though. Of course skill and results should always speak the highest, but players need to realize there's more to being a professional gamer than just playing the game. Your skill alone got you to where you are now, and it's not like you will fall off the map because you help out your sponsors, your team, by doing different sponsor events and such. Just look at IdrA. He's still one of the best Zergs outside of korea and he's still putting up results, yet he streams, he even acts in commercials.

If you look at any other sport this is true there as well. You see the top sportstars doing promotional videos and commercials for their sponsors, because in the end, they are the ones writing your checks.

It should be a mutual cooperation where your team helps you out i.e sends you to events, pays you a salary, and you help them out by helping out with sponsor stuff, doing PR things for your team etc. Saying "Well I''ll simply play and you'll get exposure whenever I go to events I guess" doesn't nearly make their investment worth it, and this goes for any player.


Actually you are way off target.
Do you really think every pro soccer player is mr niceguy, doing promotions allt the time?
Nope, and if they do any, they get massively paid.
Many pro soccer players don't even do interviews. Ever.

I think your comment is just a case of "the mascot" still being a sad panda


No I'm not way off target and where did I stay ever pro soccer player is mr niceguy, and why do you feel the need taking cheap shots at me when my situation is not even compareable to Naniwas in any way?

I stated the "top sportstars" =/= every pro soccer player. Just like in SC2, there are the selected few that really are superstars while the rest are considered as only "good" and decent (Usually due to the fact that the super stars are the most skilled and have the highest results). I'm not saying people like CatZ or iNcoNtroL should get more recongnition than someone like Naniwa, what I'm trying to say is you can't go into professional gaming thinking you should only have to play the game and that is that. There is a lot more to it, and I pointed at IdrA as an example of someone who's both one of the most feared progamers outside of korea, and someone who works closely with his team & sponsors.

Of course they get massively paid, that's why they do it. A lot of SC2 players fail to realize this correlation though. The closer you work with sponsors & your team = better likehood of you getting more money.


Obviously i meant soccer superstars, my bad.
You took the comparison to real sports, and i entered the discussion. The matter of fact is there is lots of soccer superstars, and many of them don't even do interviews.
Take Zlatan for example.
He does interviews, but is he always nice to the reporters?
I would definitly say that Zlatan is really BM, however, he is still a superstar, and he is loved by so many people. When ever he makes something questionable it's forgotten the next day.

Conclusion: Being a bit BM doesn't make you ineligible of being a superstar.

I don't question that being a good guy for the sponsors sake etc is a bad thing, i too would try and make it as good as possible for my team sponsors.
This doesn't mean that one should need to be a thousand times better player just to be on even terms with this "friendlier guy".

Get it?

And regarding me pulling cheap shots. First of all, I'd say you are looking to pull cheap shots on your former team mate, by "teaching him a lesson", as it looks from your former posts in this thread.
And it wouldn't be a cheap shot unless you felt it was true yourself.


You are missing my point, and I'm not even arguing that Naniwa should have to be 1000 better than anyone who handles the media well. I've never stated being a bit BM makes you ineligble of being a superstar, again look at IdrA. Your behaviour in general, even if seen as BM, does not stop you from working with your sponsors and your management.

Reason why I said cheap shots is because you've obviously seen Nani joke around about that while he was in dignitas and now you are just trying to use it against me, while it has no relevance at all to the discussion. If you can't discuss without refraining from personal attacks then maybe you should just be quiet.

I'm not trying to "out naniwa" or anything here, my initial post was a response to someone saying results is the only thing that should matter. I was just trying to make a case why in the current state of esports, results is not the only thing that matters. Also coupled by the fact that having been to x amounts events and talked to other progamers I've noticed a lot of them just wants to play and doesn't really feel like they need to give anything else back to their organisation, which I don't think is the direction we want esports to go, because it won't be sustainable. Again not dropping names or targetting anyone specific.


Well IdrA has changed alot the past 6 months, I wouldn't really call him BM, but more of a troll.
Yet again I don't say that you shouldn't work with your sponsors, however It shouldn't get in the way of practice. I'm sure you know that naniwa have had quite a busy schedule?

Yep I did see nani joke about it, and I don't think u like it, and now you have the chance to give a little payback.
Your initial post were something with "Oh naniwa, when will you learn", i'm sure you haven't forgotten this one?

Also i want you to think about what you said of performance not being this important.
Do you wish for sc2 to become like BW?
Korean domination?
I think this would KILL the scene within a few years. We should cherish the "foreigners" who actually takes their practice seriously, instead of messing around with media and sponsors all the time (yes we do have a couple of media-sluts out there, no namedropping).


Yes I get that but why do you feel the need to use it against me in a discussion here? If you mean by "not liking it" then yes, I don't like the fact that I can't play SC2 fulltime and practice as much as anyone else. I would love to play this game fulltime and give it my best shot at see how I measure up, so whenever someone comments on me not being as good as someone who's playing fulltime it stings, because there's nothing more I'd like to do now than just that.

My initial post as you call it, was in a different thread and you don't know what I mean by "oh nani when will you learn? ". Fyi It's irrelevant to what I stated in this thread and out of respect for Naniwa as a person I'm not going to go into details about that. Also I think it's funny that you seem to know more of how I feel about my former teammate than someone, me for example, who spent nearly 8 in the same team with the guy. I also said "I hope it works out in Quantic" and I really meant that, I'm not trying to wish nani misfortune.

Again you are misunderstanding because if you read my post I already stated and agreed that results will always matter the most (at least in my book) but there are other variables that needs to be taken into consideration. Your example of korean domination can be turned against you as well. Do you wish players to stop playing because they can't secure salaries or doesn't get to go to events? Because long term that's what's gonna happend if we don't cooperate with sponsors, they are funding all this.


I thought you spent this last summer doing just this?
However this is not really about you, so let's leave that discussion for a more proper time.

Yes, a diffrent thread, but really wouldn't you say that this one is just an extension of the other?
It's the same topic, but featured a comment from nani.
I have been given the impression that you didn't fancy him, please tell me i'm wrong if that's the case.

Well you did say that, and maybe you meant it.
But so did Jason Lake, and he were obviously not pleased with this turn of events, and didn't mean what he said about wishing him good luck. So you could see why i would think you weren't very sincere either.

Okay, then i guess we agree on this point, but it didn't sound like this at all, but if you say this is the case, then we are on the same page.



I did, and I feel like I showed signs of improvement both at DH & MLG & and at the end of august at i43. Sadly that was only 2,5 months and 3 weeks of those were spent travelling/being at events. I would have loooooooved to continue doing it because it was just awesome overall, but I've been in Uni since the end of august.

Okay glad we are on the same page then .
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
Ponchey
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden89 Posts
December 10 2011 17:32 GMT
#444
On December 11 2011 02:03 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 01:19 Kilgort wrote:
On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.

He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.

I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance.

You will not see his GSL performance, because he always gets stomped by mediocre Korean players.


No, he also got a code S spot for beating 3 players.


Oh come on! It's not like he was magically given a high MLG seed by the fairy godmother. He went through the open bracket once, just like Leenock (At Dallas, not dropping a single game until the final, in case you missed it). Yes, the korean presence was not the same then, but after that he also performed consistently well in the following MLG's, which earned him the high seed. He beat Nestea after having beating him the night before, controversial has nothing to do with skill. Anyone who saw Naniwas games in Providence knows that he was on fire that whole tournament. Leenock found and used the weaknes of his build, but apart from those games, noone in their right mind can deny that Naniwa earned his second place in MLG Providence, and the Code S spot that it meant.
Cyclone306
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada17 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 17:38:03
December 10 2011 17:35 GMT
#445
On December 11 2011 01:59 dignitas.merz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 01:34 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 11 2011 01:08 dignitas.merz wrote:
On December 11 2011 00:52 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 11 2011 00:11 dignitas.merz wrote:
On December 10 2011 21:25 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 10 2011 20:56 dignitas.merz wrote:
On December 10 2011 20:25 resilve wrote:
Naniwa is exactly the kind of player that needs to be supported by the fans.What matters in this game is how good you are at starcraft2, not how good you are at blogging or replying to forum posts.

A true champion will often look heartless and cuthroat when he makes moves that are for the good of his career, and it is right that he should do so.


This is wrong though. Of course skill and results should always speak the highest, but players need to realize there's more to being a professional gamer than just playing the game. Your skill alone got you to where you are now, and it's not like you will fall off the map because you help out your sponsors, your team, by doing different sponsor events and such. Just look at IdrA. He's still one of the best Zergs outside of korea and he's still putting up results, yet he streams, he even acts in commercials.

If you look at any other sport this is true there as well. You see the top sportstars doing promotional videos and commercials for their sponsors, because in the end, they are the ones writing your checks.

It should be a mutual cooperation where your team helps you out i.e sends you to events, pays you a salary, and you help them out by helping out with sponsor stuff, doing PR things for your team etc. Saying "Well I''ll simply play and you'll get exposure whenever I go to events I guess" doesn't nearly make their investment worth it, and this goes for any player.


Actually you are way off target.
Do you really think every pro soccer player is mr niceguy, doing promotions allt the time?
Nope, and if they do any, they get massively paid.
Many pro soccer players don't even do interviews. Ever.

I think your comment is just a case of "the mascot" still being a sad panda


No I'm not way off target and where did I stay ever pro soccer player is mr niceguy, and why do you feel the need taking cheap shots at me when my situation is not even compareable to Naniwas in any way?

I stated the "top sportstars" =/= every pro soccer player. Just like in SC2, there are the selected few that really are superstars while the rest are considered as only "good" and decent (Usually due to the fact that the super stars are the most skilled and have the highest results). I'm not saying people like CatZ or iNcoNtroL should get more recongnition than someone like Naniwa, what I'm trying to say is you can't go into professional gaming thinking you should only have to play the game and that is that. There is a lot more to it, and I pointed at IdrA as an example of someone who's both one of the most feared progamers outside of korea, and someone who works closely with his team & sponsors.

Of course they get massively paid, that's why they do it. A lot of SC2 players fail to realize this correlation though. The closer you work with sponsors & your team = better likehood of you getting more money.


Obviously i meant soccer superstars, my bad.
You took the comparison to real sports, and i entered the discussion. The matter of fact is there is lots of soccer superstars, and many of them don't even do interviews.
Take Zlatan for example.
He does interviews, but is he always nice to the reporters?
I would definitly say that Zlatan is really BM, however, he is still a superstar, and he is loved by so many people. When ever he makes something questionable it's forgotten the next day.

Conclusion: Being a bit BM doesn't make you ineligible of being a superstar.

I don't question that being a good guy for the sponsors sake etc is a bad thing, i too would try and make it as good as possible for my team sponsors.
This doesn't mean that one should need to be a thousand times better player just to be on even terms with this "friendlier guy".

Get it?

And regarding me pulling cheap shots. First of all, I'd say you are looking to pull cheap shots on your former team mate, by "teaching him a lesson", as it looks from your former posts in this thread.
And it wouldn't be a cheap shot unless you felt it was true yourself.


You are missing my point, and I'm not even arguing that Naniwa should have to be 1000 better than anyone who handles the media well. I've never stated being a bit BM makes you ineligble of being a superstar, again look at IdrA. Your behaviour in general, even if seen as BM, does not stop you from working with your sponsors and your management.

Reason why I said cheap shots is because you've obviously seen Nani joke around about that while he was in dignitas and now you are just trying to use it against me, while it has no relevance at all to the discussion. If you can't discuss without refraining from personal attacks then maybe you should just be quiet.

I'm not trying to "out naniwa" or anything here, my initial post was a response to someone saying results is the only thing that should matter. I was just trying to make a case why in the current state of esports, results is not the only thing that matters. Also coupled by the fact that having been to x amounts events and talked to other progamers I've noticed a lot of them just wants to play and doesn't really feel like they need to give anything else back to their organisation, which I don't think is the direction we want esports to go, because it won't be sustainable. Again not dropping names or targetting anyone specific.


Well IdrA has changed alot the past 6 months, I wouldn't really call him BM, but more of a troll.
Yet again I don't say that you shouldn't work with your sponsors, however It shouldn't get in the way of practice. I'm sure you know that naniwa have had quite a busy schedule?

Yep I did see nani joke about it, and I don't think u like it, and now you have the chance to give a little payback.
Your initial post were something with "Oh naniwa, when will you learn", i'm sure you haven't forgotten this one?

Also i want you to think about what you said of performance not being this important.
Do you wish for sc2 to become like BW?
Korean domination?
I think this would KILL the scene within a few years. We should cherish the "foreigners" who actually takes their practice seriously, instead of messing around with media and sponsors all the time (yes we do have a couple of media-sluts out there, no namedropping).


Yes I get that but why do you feel the need to use it against me in a discussion here? If you mean by "not liking it" then yes, I don't like the fact that I can't play SC2 fulltime and practice as much as anyone else. I would love to play this game fulltime and give it my best shot at see how I measure up, so whenever someone comments on me not being as good as someone who's playing fulltime it stings, because there's nothing more I'd like to do now than just that.

My initial post as you call it, was in a different thread and you don't know what I mean by "oh nani when will you learn? ". Fyi It's irrelevant to what I stated in this thread and out of respect for Naniwa as a person I'm not going to go into details about that. Also I think it's funny that you seem to know more of how I feel about my former teammate than someone, me for example, who spent nearly 8 in the same team with the guy. I also said "I hope it works out in Quantic" and I really meant that, I'm not trying to wish nani misfortune.

Again you are misunderstanding because if you read my post I already stated and agreed that results will always matter the most (at least in my book) but there are other variables that needs to be taken into consideration. Your example of korean domination can be turned against you as well. Do you wish players to stop playing because they can't secure salaries or doesn't get to go to events? Because long term that's what's gonna happend if we don't cooperate with sponsors, they are funding all this.


I had so much rage reading this I had to comment because you were being so poignant with all your points and he just refused to acknowledge or deal with anything you said, instead deciding to pick and choose what he wants to try and pull apart and ignore anything that contradicts his point. On top of that who probably has a better grasp of the pro gamer/team relationship... ninjahoe or digntias.merz....hmm

I died a little bit inside.

It's a shame because even though you're just stating an opinion--a well informed one at that--it devolved into a silly argument and you can never REALLY win an argument on the internet.


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DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
December 10 2011 17:53 GMT
#446
CoL use to look pretty amazing but they are quickly falling :/
Plays against every MU with nexus first.
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
December 10 2011 18:01 GMT
#447
meRz so nice! :3
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
price
Profile Joined December 2010
United States297 Posts
December 10 2011 18:03 GMT
#448
It seems pretty reasonable to me. My understanding is that Naniwa demands more based on his worth. Quantic gives him that + better practice environs.
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Ninjahoe
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden148 Posts
December 10 2011 18:08 GMT
#449
On December 11 2011 02:32 dignitas.merz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 02:27 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 11 2011 01:59 dignitas.merz wrote:
On December 11 2011 01:34 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 11 2011 01:08 dignitas.merz wrote:
On December 11 2011 00:52 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 11 2011 00:11 dignitas.merz wrote:
On December 10 2011 21:25 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 10 2011 20:56 dignitas.merz wrote:
On December 10 2011 20:25 resilve wrote:
Naniwa is exactly the kind of player that needs to be supported by the fans.What matters in this game is how good you are at starcraft2, not how good you are at blogging or replying to forum posts.

A true champion will often look heartless and cuthroat when he makes moves that are for the good of his career, and it is right that he should do so.


This is wrong though. Of course skill and results should always speak the highest, but players need to realize there's more to being a professional gamer than just playing the game. Your skill alone got you to where you are now, and it's not like you will fall off the map because you help out your sponsors, your team, by doing different sponsor events and such. Just look at IdrA. He's still one of the best Zergs outside of korea and he's still putting up results, yet he streams, he even acts in commercials.

If you look at any other sport this is true there as well. You see the top sportstars doing promotional videos and commercials for their sponsors, because in the end, they are the ones writing your checks.

It should be a mutual cooperation where your team helps you out i.e sends you to events, pays you a salary, and you help them out by helping out with sponsor stuff, doing PR things for your team etc. Saying "Well I''ll simply play and you'll get exposure whenever I go to events I guess" doesn't nearly make their investment worth it, and this goes for any player.


Actually you are way off target.
Do you really think every pro soccer player is mr niceguy, doing promotions allt the time?
Nope, and if they do any, they get massively paid.
Many pro soccer players don't even do interviews. Ever.

I think your comment is just a case of "the mascot" still being a sad panda


No I'm not way off target and where did I stay ever pro soccer player is mr niceguy, and why do you feel the need taking cheap shots at me when my situation is not even compareable to Naniwas in any way?

I stated the "top sportstars" =/= every pro soccer player. Just like in SC2, there are the selected few that really are superstars while the rest are considered as only "good" and decent (Usually due to the fact that the super stars are the most skilled and have the highest results). I'm not saying people like CatZ or iNcoNtroL should get more recongnition than someone like Naniwa, what I'm trying to say is you can't go into professional gaming thinking you should only have to play the game and that is that. There is a lot more to it, and I pointed at IdrA as an example of someone who's both one of the most feared progamers outside of korea, and someone who works closely with his team & sponsors.

Of course they get massively paid, that's why they do it. A lot of SC2 players fail to realize this correlation though. The closer you work with sponsors & your team = better likehood of you getting more money.


Obviously i meant soccer superstars, my bad.
You took the comparison to real sports, and i entered the discussion. The matter of fact is there is lots of soccer superstars, and many of them don't even do interviews.
Take Zlatan for example.
He does interviews, but is he always nice to the reporters?
I would definitly say that Zlatan is really BM, however, he is still a superstar, and he is loved by so many people. When ever he makes something questionable it's forgotten the next day.

Conclusion: Being a bit BM doesn't make you ineligible of being a superstar.

I don't question that being a good guy for the sponsors sake etc is a bad thing, i too would try and make it as good as possible for my team sponsors.
This doesn't mean that one should need to be a thousand times better player just to be on even terms with this "friendlier guy".

Get it?

And regarding me pulling cheap shots. First of all, I'd say you are looking to pull cheap shots on your former team mate, by "teaching him a lesson", as it looks from your former posts in this thread.
And it wouldn't be a cheap shot unless you felt it was true yourself.


You are missing my point, and I'm not even arguing that Naniwa should have to be 1000 better than anyone who handles the media well. I've never stated being a bit BM makes you ineligble of being a superstar, again look at IdrA. Your behaviour in general, even if seen as BM, does not stop you from working with your sponsors and your management.

Reason why I said cheap shots is because you've obviously seen Nani joke around about that while he was in dignitas and now you are just trying to use it against me, while it has no relevance at all to the discussion. If you can't discuss without refraining from personal attacks then maybe you should just be quiet.

I'm not trying to "out naniwa" or anything here, my initial post was a response to someone saying results is the only thing that should matter. I was just trying to make a case why in the current state of esports, results is not the only thing that matters. Also coupled by the fact that having been to x amounts events and talked to other progamers I've noticed a lot of them just wants to play and doesn't really feel like they need to give anything else back to their organisation, which I don't think is the direction we want esports to go, because it won't be sustainable. Again not dropping names or targetting anyone specific.


Well IdrA has changed alot the past 6 months, I wouldn't really call him BM, but more of a troll.
Yet again I don't say that you shouldn't work with your sponsors, however It shouldn't get in the way of practice. I'm sure you know that naniwa have had quite a busy schedule?

Yep I did see nani joke about it, and I don't think u like it, and now you have the chance to give a little payback.
Your initial post were something with "Oh naniwa, when will you learn", i'm sure you haven't forgotten this one?

Also i want you to think about what you said of performance not being this important.
Do you wish for sc2 to become like BW?
Korean domination?
I think this would KILL the scene within a few years. We should cherish the "foreigners" who actually takes their practice seriously, instead of messing around with media and sponsors all the time (yes we do have a couple of media-sluts out there, no namedropping).


Yes I get that but why do you feel the need to use it against me in a discussion here? If you mean by "not liking it" then yes, I don't like the fact that I can't play SC2 fulltime and practice as much as anyone else. I would love to play this game fulltime and give it my best shot at see how I measure up, so whenever someone comments on me not being as good as someone who's playing fulltime it stings, because there's nothing more I'd like to do now than just that.

My initial post as you call it, was in a different thread and you don't know what I mean by "oh nani when will you learn? ". Fyi It's irrelevant to what I stated in this thread and out of respect for Naniwa as a person I'm not going to go into details about that. Also I think it's funny that you seem to know more of how I feel about my former teammate than someone, me for example, who spent nearly 8 in the same team with the guy. I also said "I hope it works out in Quantic" and I really meant that, I'm not trying to wish nani misfortune.

Again you are misunderstanding because if you read my post I already stated and agreed that results will always matter the most (at least in my book) but there are other variables that needs to be taken into consideration. Your example of korean domination can be turned against you as well. Do you wish players to stop playing because they can't secure salaries or doesn't get to go to events? Because long term that's what's gonna happend if we don't cooperate with sponsors, they are funding all this.


I thought you spent this last summer doing just this?
However this is not really about you, so let's leave that discussion for a more proper time.

Yes, a diffrent thread, but really wouldn't you say that this one is just an extension of the other?
It's the same topic, but featured a comment from nani.
I have been given the impression that you didn't fancy him, please tell me i'm wrong if that's the case.

Well you did say that, and maybe you meant it.
But so did Jason Lake, and he were obviously not pleased with this turn of events, and didn't mean what he said about wishing him good luck. So you could see why i would think you weren't very sincere either.

Okay, then i guess we agree on this point, but it didn't sound like this at all, but if you say this is the case, then we are on the same page.



I did, and I feel like I showed signs of improvement both at DH & MLG & and at the end of august at i43. Sadly that was only 2,5 months and 3 weeks of those were spent travelling/being at events. I would have loooooooved to continue doing it because it was just awesome overall, but I've been in Uni since the end of august.

Okay glad we are on the same page then .


Ok, i can't say i followed any of those so i don't really know any results, i just had it in the back of my head.

Why don't you take a break from UNI then?
I have a dear friend who last year decided to take a brak from UNI in order to focus on poker, and move to Australia with his brother and me.
He studied civil engineering, and this was 3 years in, so you have every possibility to fulfil your dream. Go for it!
NaNiwa, ThorZaiN, SaSe, Jinro, DeMusliM, MorroW
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
December 10 2011 18:23 GMT
#450
cant blame a player for wanting to be in an environment they enjoy. no hard feelings i say
stokes17
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1411 Posts
December 10 2011 18:28 GMT
#451
ROFL, Naniwa you got to give love to all your fans not just the Swedish ones!

good interview none the less, hope to see more great things from him in the future
sicnarf
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada39 Posts
December 10 2011 18:30 GMT
#452
Jason "1" Lake, coL's owner, while having one of the biggest hearts in the eSports community, is also very misguided. He is one of the reasons CS 1.6 basically died (he spearheaded the move to source when the CGS came around). Has tried to build a team with money rather than hard work and has made some ridiculous statements. I am not surprised he would value exposure over results when it comes to SC2.

The problem is that the top management at coL has no background in BW, SC2 or the Korean scene.
labbe
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
December 10 2011 18:33 GMT
#453
Great interview. Naniwa is such an awesome player and I can't wait to see him in Code S!
Falconpauunch
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (South)59 Posts
December 10 2011 18:38 GMT
#454
I can see why Naniwa wanted out, he was basically the only one performing in CompLexity.
:)
Shaok
Profile Joined October 2010
297 Posts
December 10 2011 18:43 GMT
#455
So basically the reason he left was because CatZ was paid the same amount as him? Lol... thats ridiculous. CatZ is a personality, Naniwa just plays the game and has an awkward personality... we only like him because hes a good protoss...

If he wants to be known be likeable so people want to talk about you. Or be like Deezer and Combatex so people know you because you're so fiercely hated. Don't be the inbetween mediocre personality pro like you have been. Being awkward on camera because you don't know how to act because of sponsor issues and other things is just ridiculous. Get out of your shell.

If you hide in the shadows you will not be known, get your image out there and sell yourself. If you want to go solely on skill you better be winning every tournament, 2nd place is not enough.
sopas
Profile Joined July 2011
509 Posts
December 10 2011 18:50 GMT
#456
On December 11 2011 03:43 Shaok wrote:
If you want to go solely on skill you better be winning every tournament, 2nd place is not enough.

rofl seriously
just shup up
QuanticCinergy
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States37 Posts
December 10 2011 18:55 GMT
#457
This is Mark Ferraz, Founder & CEO of Quantic. I would like to officially state that Complexity's statements have been nothing but truthful about the official communications relating to the transfer. Jason Lake was the first person to approach me about the Naniwa trade. That being said, I believe NaNi was speaking with SaSe about the possibility at the same time and that has created the confusion in this situation. Complexity handled this matter as professionally as possible from my stand point and the numerous posts slinging mud in their direction are misguided. I hope this clears up the situation and everyone can now move on.
Founder & Former CEO of Quantic Gaming
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
December 10 2011 18:58 GMT
#458
On December 11 2011 03:43 Shaok wrote:
So basically the reason he left was because CatZ was paid the same amount as him? Lol... thats ridiculous. CatZ is a personality, Naniwa just plays the game and has an awkward personality... we only like him because hes a good protoss...

If he wants to be known be likeable so people want to talk about you. Or be like Deezer and Combatex so people know you because you're so fiercely hated. Don't be the inbetween mediocre personality pro like you have been. Being awkward on camera because you don't know how to act because of sponsor issues and other things is just ridiculous. Get out of your shell.

If you hide in the shadows you will not be known, get your image out there and sell yourself. If you want to go solely on skill you better be winning every tournament, 2nd place is not enough.


Your post doesn't make any sense...
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Commentdire
Profile Joined November 2011
5 Posts
December 10 2011 19:00 GMT
#459
I respect Naniwa.

The guy needs to get social coaching though. You can't market a player like Naniwa if you are aiming at a general audience. I'm not good with words but I believe Sir Scoots explained it best in a recent interview at NASL.



This link goes directly to the important part of the video. Sir Scoots explains why EG was interested in Huk. The examples he gives are important. It's not just about results anymore. Not since SC2 has been blowing up the way it has.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
December 10 2011 19:02 GMT
#460
Thanks for the clarifications, Mark. I appreciate it, and hopefully others do as well.
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