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On November 30 2011 13:14 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 13:06 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:03 GettinMyFill wrote:On November 30 2011 13:02 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote:
I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him. He only plays TvZ... He's Zerg vs Protoss and Terran. If the opponent is Zerg, they know they should practice vs Terran. If the opponents are Protoss or Terrans, they practice against Zerg. What's the difficulty? There's none, morons are morons. The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point. But your point is not a good point.
Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
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On November 30 2011 13:17 GhostFall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 13:14 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:06 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:03 GettinMyFill wrote:On November 30 2011 13:02 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote:
I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him. He only plays TvZ... He's Zerg vs Protoss and Terran. If the opponent is Zerg, they know they should practice vs Terran. If the opponents are Protoss or Terrans, they practice against Zerg. What's the difficulty? There's none, morons are morons. The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point. But your point is not a good point. Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
(For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ).
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Awesoem stuff ,best of luck morrow.
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I hope he plays or becomes friends with  Parting so we can make parting is such sweet morrow puns.
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GL Morrow, is he going to be a matchup player in GSL as well? O.O if so then I wish him the best of luck.. I don't know anyone else who does this. :-P
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Even if the Morrow is barren of promises, nothing shall forestall my return.
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On November 30 2011 13:20 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 13:17 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:14 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:06 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:03 GettinMyFill wrote:On November 30 2011 13:02 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote:
I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him. He only plays TvZ... He's Zerg vs Protoss and Terran. If the opponent is Zerg, they know they should practice vs Terran. If the opponents are Protoss or Terrans, they practice against Zerg. What's the difficulty? There's none, morons are morons. The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point. But your point is not a good point. Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way. How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way. (For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ).
Because vP wasn't his worst matchup. This rule allows players to specifically get around their worst matchup not through skill, but through any exploitable strategy that is around at the time. It's like playing random with all the advantages of playing random, but none of the disadvantages.
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On November 30 2011 13:24 GhostFall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 13:20 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:17 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:14 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:06 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:03 GettinMyFill wrote:On November 30 2011 13:02 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote:
I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him. He only plays TvZ... He's Zerg vs Protoss and Terran. If the opponent is Zerg, they know they should practice vs Terran. If the opponents are Protoss or Terrans, they practice against Zerg. What's the difficulty? There's none, morons are morons. The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point. But your point is not a good point. Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way. How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way. (For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ). Because vP wasn't his worst matchup. This rule allows players to specifically get around their worst matchup not through skill, but through any exploitable strategy that is around at the time. It's like playing random with all the advantages of playing random, but none of the disadvantages.
Random players have no advantages.
As far as Morrow's racepicking goes, I'm pretty certain anyone who has played ZvZ can understand where he's coming from.
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On November 30 2011 13:24 GhostFall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 13:20 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:17 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:14 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:06 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:03 GettinMyFill wrote:On November 30 2011 13:02 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote:
I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him. He only plays TvZ... He's Zerg vs Protoss and Terran. If the opponent is Zerg, they know they should practice vs Terran. If the opponents are Protoss or Terrans, they practice against Zerg. What's the difficulty? There's none, morons are morons. The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point. But your point is not a good point. Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way. How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way. (For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ). Because vP wasn't his worst matchup. This rule allows players to specifically get around their worst matchup not through skill, but through any exploitable strategy that is around at the time. It's like playing random with all the advantages of playing random, but none of the disadvantages.
You do realize that he also has to practice TvZ which he can't do efficiently playing on the ladder?
If I was say, JYP who has notoriously bad PvT, if I wanted to switch to ZvT or TvT, I would have to practice them also, which would probably be a lot harder than getting better at PvT.
The only argument I can give you is that it makes for logistical difficulties if you have multiple players racepicking, but since at the moment Morrow is the only one it's not really a big issue. On that note also, I'm not really a fan of Morrow's racepicking, but it doesn't really give him any advantages, so it's not a real big issue.
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On November 30 2011 13:31 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 13:24 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:20 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:17 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:14 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:06 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:03 GettinMyFill wrote:On November 30 2011 13:02 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote:
I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him. He only plays TvZ... He's Zerg vs Protoss and Terran. If the opponent is Zerg, they know they should practice vs Terran. If the opponents are Protoss or Terrans, they practice against Zerg. What's the difficulty? There's none, morons are morons. The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point. But your point is not a good point. Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way. How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way. (For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ). Because vP wasn't his worst matchup. This rule allows players to specifically get around their worst matchup not through skill, but through any exploitable strategy that is around at the time. It's like playing random with all the advantages of playing random, but none of the disadvantages. You do realize that he also has to practice TvZ which he can't do efficiently playing on the ladder? If I was say, JYP who has notoriously bad PvT, if I wanted to switch to ZvT or TvT, I would have to practice them also, which would probably be a lot harder than getting better at PvT. The only argument I can give you is that it makes for logistical difficulties if you have multiple players racepicking, but since at the moment Morrow is the only one it's not really a big issue. On that note also, I'm not really a fan of Morrow's racepicking, but it doesn't really give him any advantages, so it's not a real big issue.
You wouldn't raceswitch every tournament. Only if an imbalance is found. If every couple of months, someone won because of raceswitching during a period of imbalance, from a spectator perspective that is terrible. And you may say the game is balanced now, but how about in a month? In 2? How about when HOTS comes out? How do you know another 1/1/1 won't be found? Unless Blizzard somehow magically learned to fix imbalance the second it's discovered, the raceswitching rule is uncompetitive.
and ladder practice doesnt matter when you're on a team. Idra doesn't seriously practice on ladder. Neither does nestea or immvp. It's not a big deal if you're a pro.
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On November 30 2011 13:41 GhostFall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 13:31 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:24 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:20 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:17 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:14 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:06 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:03 GettinMyFill wrote:On November 30 2011 13:02 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote:
I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him. He only plays TvZ... He's Zerg vs Protoss and Terran. If the opponent is Zerg, they know they should practice vs Terran. If the opponents are Protoss or Terrans, they practice against Zerg. What's the difficulty? There's none, morons are morons. The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point. But your point is not a good point. Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way. How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way. (For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ). Because vP wasn't his worst matchup. This rule allows players to specifically get around their worst matchup not through skill, but through any exploitable strategy that is around at the time. It's like playing random with all the advantages of playing random, but none of the disadvantages. You do realize that he also has to practice TvZ which he can't do efficiently playing on the ladder? If I was say, JYP who has notoriously bad PvT, if I wanted to switch to ZvT or TvT, I would have to practice them also, which would probably be a lot harder than getting better at PvT. The only argument I can give you is that it makes for logistical difficulties if you have multiple players racepicking, but since at the moment Morrow is the only one it's not really a big issue. On that note also, I'm not really a fan of Morrow's racepicking, but it doesn't really give him any advantages, so it's not a real big issue. You wouldn't raceswitch every tournament. Only if an imbalance is found. If every couple of months, someone won because of raceswitching during a period of imbalance, from a spectator perspective that is terrible. And you may say the game is balanced now, but how about in a month? In 2? How about when HOTS comes out? Unless Blizzard somehow magically learned to fix imbalance the second it's discovered, the rule is uncompetitive.
Morrow has been playing TvZ for like close to 6 months now?
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On November 30 2011 13:42 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 13:41 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:31 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:24 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:20 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:17 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:14 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:06 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:03 GettinMyFill wrote:On November 30 2011 13:02 pdd wrote:
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He only plays TvZ... He's Zerg vs Protoss and Terran.
If the opponent is Zerg, they know they should practice vs Terran. If the opponents are Protoss or Terrans, they practice against Zerg. What's the difficulty? There's none, morons are morons. The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point. But your point is not a good point. Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way. How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way. (For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ). Because vP wasn't his worst matchup. This rule allows players to specifically get around their worst matchup not through skill, but through any exploitable strategy that is around at the time. It's like playing random with all the advantages of playing random, but none of the disadvantages. You do realize that he also has to practice TvZ which he can't do efficiently playing on the ladder? If I was say, JYP who has notoriously bad PvT, if I wanted to switch to ZvT or TvT, I would have to practice them also, which would probably be a lot harder than getting better at PvT. The only argument I can give you is that it makes for logistical difficulties if you have multiple players racepicking, but since at the moment Morrow is the only one it's not really a big issue. On that note also, I'm not really a fan of Morrow's racepicking, but it doesn't really give him any advantages, so it's not a real big issue. You wouldn't raceswitch every tournament. Only if an imbalance is found. If every couple of months, someone won because of raceswitching during a period of imbalance, from a spectator perspective that is terrible. And you may say the game is balanced now, but how about in a month? In 2? How about when HOTS comes out? Unless Blizzard somehow magically learned to fix imbalance the second it's discovered, the rule is uncompetitive. Morrow has been playing TvZ for like close to 6 months now?
Yeah and? what does that have anything to do with my point? He can play Terran all he wants. But if for just a month or even as short as a week before Blizzard fixes it, someone finds a relatively easy strategy against a race for a tournament, someone switches race to exploit that imbalance. And he is allowed to only switch race only for that matchup. Why should that be allowed?
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On November 30 2011 13:44 GhostFall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 13:42 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:41 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:31 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:24 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:20 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:17 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:14 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:06 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:03 GettinMyFill wrote:
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There's none, morons are morons. The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point. But your point is not a good point. Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way. How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way. (For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ). Because vP wasn't his worst matchup. This rule allows players to specifically get around their worst matchup not through skill, but through any exploitable strategy that is around at the time. It's like playing random with all the advantages of playing random, but none of the disadvantages. You do realize that he also has to practice TvZ which he can't do efficiently playing on the ladder? If I was say, JYP who has notoriously bad PvT, if I wanted to switch to ZvT or TvT, I would have to practice them also, which would probably be a lot harder than getting better at PvT. The only argument I can give you is that it makes for logistical difficulties if you have multiple players racepicking, but since at the moment Morrow is the only one it's not really a big issue. On that note also, I'm not really a fan of Morrow's racepicking, but it doesn't really give him any advantages, so it's not a real big issue. You wouldn't raceswitch every tournament. Only if an imbalance is found. If every couple of months, someone won because of raceswitching during a period of imbalance, from a spectator perspective that is terrible. And you may say the game is balanced now, but how about in a month? In 2? How about when HOTS comes out? Unless Blizzard somehow magically learned to fix imbalance the second it's discovered, the rule is uncompetitive. Morrow has been playing TvZ for like close to 6 months now? Yeah and? what does that have anything to do with my point?
Which means he didn't switch because of imbalances. He just likes to play TvZ. And even if he did switch what was wrong with it? TLO switches every 15 hours or something (although it's the whole race). You going to stop him from race switching every alternate tournament or something?
The benefits of switching is VASTLY outweighed by the costs of switching. That's why Idra's still Zerg and various other players have never switched.
It's not a big deal. Just let it go.
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On November 30 2011 13:48 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 13:44 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:42 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:41 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:31 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:24 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:20 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:17 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:14 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:06 GhostFall wrote:
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The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point. But your point is not a good point. Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way. How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way. (For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ). Because vP wasn't his worst matchup. This rule allows players to specifically get around their worst matchup not through skill, but through any exploitable strategy that is around at the time. It's like playing random with all the advantages of playing random, but none of the disadvantages. You do realize that he also has to practice TvZ which he can't do efficiently playing on the ladder? If I was say, JYP who has notoriously bad PvT, if I wanted to switch to ZvT or TvT, I would have to practice them also, which would probably be a lot harder than getting better at PvT. The only argument I can give you is that it makes for logistical difficulties if you have multiple players racepicking, but since at the moment Morrow is the only one it's not really a big issue. On that note also, I'm not really a fan of Morrow's racepicking, but it doesn't really give him any advantages, so it's not a real big issue. You wouldn't raceswitch every tournament. Only if an imbalance is found. If every couple of months, someone won because of raceswitching during a period of imbalance, from a spectator perspective that is terrible. And you may say the game is balanced now, but how about in a month? In 2? How about when HOTS comes out? Unless Blizzard somehow magically learned to fix imbalance the second it's discovered, the rule is uncompetitive. Morrow has been playing TvZ for like close to 6 months now? Yeah and? what does that have anything to do with my point? Which means he didn't switch because of imbalances. He just likes to play TvZ. And even if he did switch what was wrong with it? TLO switches every 15 hours or something (although it's the whole race). You going to stop him from race switching every alternate tournament or something? The benefits of switching is VASTLY outweighed by the costs of switching. That's why Idra's still Zerg and various other players have never switched. It's not a big deal. Just let it go.
Again what does this have to do with my point? This has nothing to do with morrow. He's just the guy who is being allowed to raceswitch. If you're going to race switch, you should be forced to stick to that same race the whole tournament through for every matchup.
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infested terran? nice nickname, haven't heard that one before =O
GL HF!
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On November 30 2011 13:49 GhostFall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 13:48 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:44 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:42 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:41 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:31 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:24 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:20 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:17 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:14 pdd wrote:
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But your point is not a good point. Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way. How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way. (For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ). Because vP wasn't his worst matchup. This rule allows players to specifically get around their worst matchup not through skill, but through any exploitable strategy that is around at the time. It's like playing random with all the advantages of playing random, but none of the disadvantages. You do realize that he also has to practice TvZ which he can't do efficiently playing on the ladder? If I was say, JYP who has notoriously bad PvT, if I wanted to switch to ZvT or TvT, I would have to practice them also, which would probably be a lot harder than getting better at PvT. The only argument I can give you is that it makes for logistical difficulties if you have multiple players racepicking, but since at the moment Morrow is the only one it's not really a big issue. On that note also, I'm not really a fan of Morrow's racepicking, but it doesn't really give him any advantages, so it's not a real big issue. You wouldn't raceswitch every tournament. Only if an imbalance is found. If every couple of months, someone won because of raceswitching during a period of imbalance, from a spectator perspective that is terrible. And you may say the game is balanced now, but how about in a month? In 2? How about when HOTS comes out? Unless Blizzard somehow magically learned to fix imbalance the second it's discovered, the rule is uncompetitive. Morrow has been playing TvZ for like close to 6 months now? Yeah and? what does that have anything to do with my point? Which means he didn't switch because of imbalances. He just likes to play TvZ. And even if he did switch what was wrong with it? TLO switches every 15 hours or something (although it's the whole race). You going to stop him from race switching every alternate tournament or something? The benefits of switching is VASTLY outweighed by the costs of switching. That's why Idra's still Zerg and various other players have never switched. It's not a big deal. Just let it go. Again what does this have to do with my point? This has nothing to do with morrow. He's just the guy who is being allowed to raceswitch. If you're going to race switch, you should be forced to stick to that same race the whole tournament through for every matchup.
The point is if someone race switches, he's going to have to relearn a new race just to take advantage of whatever "imbalances" which occurs. And you can't relearn it in a short period of time.
And Morrow is being forced to stick to TvZ, ZvT, ZvP. He's not switching those matchups over the course of the tournament.
You're really making it not worth my time to argue with you.
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On November 30 2011 13:21 GGzerG wrote:
GL Morrow, is he going to be a matchup player in GSL as well? O.O if so then I wish him the best of luck.. I don't know anyone else who does this. :-P
I know the last shadow told me that he could race pick in GSL (zvt/zvp tvz). I remember being surprised he played terran against me in zotac when last I heard he switched to zerg and he told me that and that GSL allowed this.
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On November 30 2011 13:53 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 13:49 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:48 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:44 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:42 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:41 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:31 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:24 GhostFall wrote:On November 30 2011 13:20 pdd wrote:On November 30 2011 13:17 GhostFall wrote:
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Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way. (For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ). Because vP wasn't his worst matchup. This rule allows players to specifically get around their worst matchup not through skill, but through any exploitable strategy that is around at the time. It's like playing random with all the advantages of playing random, but none of the disadvantages. You do realize that he also has to practice TvZ which he can't do efficiently playing on the ladder? If I was say, JYP who has notoriously bad PvT, if I wanted to switch to ZvT or TvT, I would have to practice them also, which would probably be a lot harder than getting better at PvT. The only argument I can give you is that it makes for logistical difficulties if you have multiple players racepicking, but since at the moment Morrow is the only one it's not really a big issue. On that note also, I'm not really a fan of Morrow's racepicking, but it doesn't really give him any advantages, so it's not a real big issue. You wouldn't raceswitch every tournament. Only if an imbalance is found. If every couple of months, someone won because of raceswitching during a period of imbalance, from a spectator perspective that is terrible. And you may say the game is balanced now, but how about in a month? In 2? How about when HOTS comes out? Unless Blizzard somehow magically learned to fix imbalance the second it's discovered, the rule is uncompetitive. Morrow has been playing TvZ for like close to 6 months now? Yeah and? what does that have anything to do with my point? Which means he didn't switch because of imbalances. He just likes to play TvZ. And even if he did switch what was wrong with it? TLO switches every 15 hours or something (although it's the whole race). You going to stop him from race switching every alternate tournament or something? The benefits of switching is VASTLY outweighed by the costs of switching. That's why Idra's still Zerg and various other players have never switched. It's not a big deal. Just let it go. Again what does this have to do with my point? This has nothing to do with morrow. He's just the guy who is being allowed to raceswitch. If you're going to race switch, you should be forced to stick to that same race the whole tournament through for every matchup. The point is if someone race switches, he's going to have to relearn a new race just to take advantage of whatever "imbalances" which occurs. And you can't relearn it in a short period of time. And Morrow is being forced to stick to TvZ, ZvT, ZvP. He's not switching those matchups over the course of the tournament. You're really making it not worth my time to argue with you.
Except mechanics carry over. MC can play Terran at a korean GM level. So can Losira. Immvp can play Zerg at a GM level. Simply by virtue of having good mechanics and knowing the capabilities from the perspective of their own race, this is true. They won't have all the timings down, but if there is an imbalance, there are many players good enough to take advantage if an imbalance is found.
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Sorry, I love Morrow, he's like on my favorite players, and I think he's one of the most skilled despite being under the radar for a few months.
I'm sure he'll do well, he'll now have jjakji and sage to train 24/24, it's beautiful :p
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On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote:
You wouldn't raceswitch every tournament. Only if an imbalance is found. If every couple of months, someone won because of raceswitching during a period of imbalance, from a spectator perspective that is terrible. And you may say the game is balanced now, but how about in a month? In 2? How about when HOTS comes out? How do you know another 1/1/1 won't be found? Unless Blizzard somehow magically learned to fix imbalance the second it's discovered, the raceswitching rule is uncompetitive.
and ladder practice doesnt matter when you're on a team. Idra doesn't seriously practice on ladder. Neither does nestea or immvp. It's not a big deal if you're a pro.
Race-picking by definition has no relationship with balance. You can't use race-picking to leverage a balance advantage because race-picking means playing both sides of at least one of the match ups.
MorroW is going to play (and has been playing) both TvZ and ZvT. He just thinks he does better if he avoids ZvZ.
As has been pointed out, the only concerns here are inconsistent treatment of the rules (both NASL and GSL appear to disallow this on paper but allow MorroW to do it anyways), and the wonky scenarios if two race-pickers meet each other (lawl if two Zerg race-pickers end up playing a TvT).
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