our swedish player MorroW arrived last week in Korea to stay for around 3 months. He lives and practices in the progaming house of New Star HoSeo. For now he prepares himself for the upcoming events namely NASL Grand Finals and WCG Grand Finals Busan. Besides that, MorroW receives a spot to participate in the GSL Code A January.
Most of you have been wondering, that it has been quiet for a while around our infested Terran. Now y'all know why... we have been into a lot of planning and scheduling the last weeks / months.
We appreciate the good cooperation and support from GOMTV and NS HoSeo to get everything organized. Of course all the best to MorroW. Stay tuned, I am sure we can see the improvements very soon!
edit: In case the question would be asked more often, yes MorroW will be playing TvZ instead of ZvZ in GSL.
edit #2: MorroW gave a little statement about the practice and atmosphere: "I like it a lot so far, they are helping me much", MorroW said about his new practice partners in Korea. "We are practising like 12 hours a day and we have ranking games where everyone plays everyone in two games a day - that's really cool. I'm losing most of my games at the moment, but it's getting better and I can already see some improvements after this short time since I came here", he added.
our swedish player MorroW arrived last week in Korea to stay for around 3 months. He lives and practices in the progaming house of New Star HoSeo. For now he prepares himself for the upcoming events namely NASL Grand Finals and WCG Grand Finals Busan. Besides that, MorroW receives a spot to participate in the GSL Code A January.
Most of you have been wondering, that it has been quiet for a while around our infested Terran. Now y'all know why... we have been into a lot of planning and scheduling the last weeks / months.
We appreciate the good cooperation and support from GOMTV and NS HoSeo to get everything organized. Of course all the best to MorroW. Stay tuned, I am sure we can see the improvements very soon!
our swedish player MorroW arrived last week in Korea to stay for around 3 months. He lives and practices in the progaming house of New Star HoSeo. For now he prepares himself for the upcoming events namely NASL Grand Finals and WCG Grand Finals Busan. Besides that, MorroW receives a spot to participate in the GSL Code A January.
Most of you have been wondering, that it has been quiet for a while around our infested Terran. Now y'all know why... we have been into a lot of planning and scheduling the last weeks / months.
We appreciate the good cooperation and support from GOMTV and NS HoSeo to get everything organized. Of course all the best to MorroW. Stay tuned, I am sure we can see the improvements very soon!
our swedish player MorroW arrived last week in Korea to stay for around 3 months. He lives and practices in the progaming house of New Star HoSeo. For now he prepares himself for the upcoming events namely NASL Grand Finals and WCG Grand Finals Busan. Besides that, MorroW receives a spot to participate in the GSL Code A January.
Most of you have been wondering, that it has been quiet for a while around our infested Terran. Now y'all know why... we have been into a lot of planning and scheduling the last weeks / months.
We appreciate the good cooperation and support from GOMTV and NS HoSeo to get everything organized. Of course all the best to MorroW. Stay tuned, I am sure we can see the improvements very soon!
I'm almost certain that he isn't allow to racepick so this means he could have to play ZvZ in GSL. Would be a lot better if he just learned the ZvZ MU than switch race every time.
Oh this is nice!:D Morrow I dont think I need to give u gl because I know u will have a good time and improve very well but I'm still telling you, Goodluck my swedish fella'!
On November 30 2011 03:28 Gamegene wrote: MorroW's TvZ will usually be super standard and by the book, but way too passive. I'm hoping he gets some fighting spirit, or actually play ZvZ. x.x
Thorzain was the same way in Korea, and he could certainly perform at a decent level, but he's also lost games because of that passivity. but yea hopefully the Koreans can teach him to be more aggressive.
Yes MorroW! I love him so much :D. Haven't seen much of him in recent months though . But hopefully he will go back to being one of the top euro zergs ^_^
On November 30 2011 03:28 Gamegene wrote: MorroW's TvZ will usually be super standard and by the book, but way too passive. I'm hoping he gets some fighting spirit, or actually play ZvZ. x.x
This is not true at all. MorroW's TvZ is actually really aggressive and since he is a zerg player himself he knows how disgustingly greedy most zerg's are so he can punish them hard.
But I would like to see him play ZvZ instead of TvZ if he is gonna stick to Zerg tho.
On November 30 2011 03:28 Gamegene wrote: MorroW's TvZ will usually be super standard and by the book, but way too passive. I'm hoping he gets some fighting spirit, or actually play ZvZ. x.x
Thorzain was the same way in Korea, and he could certainly perform at a decent level, but he's also lost games because of that passivity. but yea hopefully the Koreans can teach him to be more aggressive.
ThorZain actually pushes though, albeit slow but thorough. MorroW usually stays holed in on 2 base with an epic 2 layer supply depot wall, and 3 turrents at each mineral line.
I think it's because he's probably not very confident as a Terran player, or maybe he thinks that the Zerg will fuck him over at any moment because that's what he would do in his ZvT x.x
On November 30 2011 03:28 Gamegene wrote: MorroW's TvZ will usually be super standard and by the book, but way too passive. I'm hoping he gets some fighting spirit, or actually play ZvZ. x.x
Thorzain was the same way in Korea, and he could certainly perform at a decent level, but he's also lost games because of that passivity. but yea hopefully the Koreans can teach him to be more aggressive.
ThorZain actually pushes though, albeit slow but thorough. MorroW usually stays holed in on 2 base with an epic 2 layer supply depot wall, and 3 turrents at each mineral line.
I think it's because he's probably not very confident as a Terran player, or maybe he thinks that the Zerg will fuck him over at any moment because that's what he would do in his ZvT x.x
Nice to see something happen from Morrow as it has been very quiet as of late.
As no one in the history of Starcraft has been able to master playing two races at the highest of level however, I very much doubt Morrow will be able to. I feel he is wasting his time and talent by playing two races. Being forced to practice two races means you'd have to practice twice as much to stay on par, which isn't possible with todays practice schedules. As such, he has slowly been falling behind ever since he chose to play to races. He used to be the best zerg in Europe and possibly the entire western scene, but you simply start falling behind if you play two races compared to the ones playing one.
i think might have been better if he went after NASL people say when you go to Korea the first stage is getting worse as you start to adapt then you get alot better (kinda like taking an expo )
On November 30 2011 03:45 ToD wrote: wtf code A ? why
Code A always has 1 seed for a foreigner in korea per season, Chae is more than willing to give it to an accomplished player as he wants to have as many foreigners in gsl as possible.
Great to hear, really looking forward to janurary now, Morrow fighting!
On November 30 2011 03:28 Gamegene wrote: MorroW's TvZ will usually be super standard and by the book, but way too passive. I'm hoping he gets some fighting spirit, or actually play ZvZ. x.x
Thorzain was the same way in Korea, and he could certainly perform at a decent level, but he's also lost games because of that passivity. but yea hopefully the Koreans can teach him to be more aggressive.
ThorZain actually pushes though, albeit slow but thorough. MorroW usually stays holed in on 2 base with an epic 2 layer supply depot wall, and 3 turrents at each mineral line.
I think it's because he's probably not very confident as a Terran player, or maybe he thinks that the Zerg will fuck him over at any moment because that's what he would do in his ZvT x.x
Morrow plays zerg, you know this right?
But Morrow doesn't play ZvZ's he plays T against Zerg.
On November 30 2011 03:52 SoKHo wrote: I thought you can't race switch in the gsl, well gl morrow
I think if the opponent knows what race you are going to play day before the games it won't matter. You just can't switch in between games.
Theoretically someone could all 3 different races for specific matches if the opponent knows what he's going to go up against. Doesn't really make a difference i guess . If you know what you're practising for who cares if he plays a different race against someone else.
On November 30 2011 03:45 ToD wrote: wtf code A ? why
Code A always has 1 seed for a foreigner in korea per season, Chae is more than willing to give it to an accomplished player as he wants to have as many foreigners in gsl as possible.
Great to hear, really looking forward to janurary now, Morrow fighting!
Morrow is imo one of those players that could make it into code s he had indeed fallen of the radar recently, pretty cool to hear that yet another swede going is going over to Korea, now only if Haypro and Thorzain went back we'd could have an all swedish team in the team league
GL Morrow !!! Fighting ! How did he get this Code A spot ? I mean it's great for him but i can't shake the feeling that if he got it just because he's a foreigner it's really unfair to all the people struggling in Code B : /
On November 30 2011 03:49 Aegeis wrote: Congratz but I still don't approve of tournaments allowing him to switch races for 1 match-up ಠ_ಠ
Why does it matter?
Because if two people doing that face each other, it becomes quite messy. The system only works so smoothly because it relies on nobody else besides him doing that. (and he's not the only zerg hating zvz)
On November 30 2011 04:03 Aegeis wrote: I'm not furious or anything I just believe that when you enter a tournament you should stick to the race you signed up with.
I never understood why the tounament organizers care which race the players play.
So why does he get a Code A Seed? Players like ToD have been on tournaments around the globe lately and haven't gotten an invite and Morrow who hasn't done Jack for the last few months gets an insta invite? Kinda lame and undeserved if you ask me...
On November 30 2011 03:49 Aegeis wrote: Congratz but I still don't approve of tournaments allowing him to switch races for 1 match-up ಠ_ಠ
Why does it matter?
Because if two people doing that face each other, it becomes quite messy. The system only works so smoothly because it relies on nobody else besides him doing that. (and he's not the only zerg hating zvz)
it'll be like the GSL showmatches, but even LONGER!
On November 30 2011 03:49 Aegeis wrote: Congratz but I still don't approve of tournaments allowing him to switch races for 1 match-up ಠ_ಠ
Why does it matter?
Because if two people doing that face each other, it becomes quite messy. The thing he does works so smoothly because it relies on nobody else besides him doing that. (and he's not the only zerg hating zvz)
Uhm, it's not rocket science... As an organizer you just have to tell them to make a decision by a certain time. They'd most likely just pick their main race if they aren't sure what the other player would choose. There are a multitude of ways you could do this without any messiness. And I fail to see how it's relevant that other zergs are hating zvz.
On November 30 2011 04:04 Marou wrote: GL Morrow !!! Fighting ! How did he get this Code A spot ? I mean it's great for him but i can't shake the feeling that if he got it just because he's a foreigner it's really unfair to all the people struggling in Code B : /
Koreans get free MLG championship brackets too. I dont see how this is any different. Its very expensive to stay in Korea and having foreigners in GSL is very good for GOMTV.
If ToD isnt getting an invite its totally their managments faults. The more foreigners in GSL the more foreign subscribers there will probably be. Actually there should be atleast 4 foreign invites at all times. NaNiwa is already code S so SaSe, ToD , MorroW and one more person should get in code A.
Morrow's gonna be back at the top soon. I can't wait.
Also, Mouz really needs to work on their PR and marketing. Liquid or EG would've started a huge hype machine for this kind of announcement, which would be annoying but effective.
On November 30 2011 04:04 Marou wrote: GL Morrow !!! Fighting ! How did he get this Code A spot ? I mean it's great for him but i can't shake the feeling that if he got it just because he's a foreigner it's really unfair to all the people struggling in Code B : /
Koreans get free MLG championship brackets too. I dont see how this is any different. Its very expensive to stay in Korea and having foreigners in GSL is very good for GOMTV.
Yeah but I think the notable difference is that the seeded Korean almost always beat the foreigners they compete against, so on a purely skill basis we can say it's fine if we want the tourney to represent the best.
When foreigners go to Code A, they almost always lose immediately. I can see where he's coming from.
In my opinion, it's perfectly fine to let foreigners have seeds to Code A. Sure, it may not be completely fair, but it allows for significant outreach and benefits both Korean and foreign players. Let's just be completely honest -- most Korean pros are making more money from sources outside Korea (and half their sponsors are now foreign teams) than within Korea, so they aren't really complaining.
On November 30 2011 04:10 hmunkey wrote: Morrow's gonna be back at the top soon. I can't wait.
Also, Mouz really needs to work on their PR and marketing. Liquid or EG would've started a huge hype machine for this kind of announcement, which would be annoying but effective.
Totally agree Mouz is too quite in SC2 community. EG has SirScoots Liquid has Nazgul and we hardly know anything about Mouz while they have such great set of players , i think they are missing a huge opportunity.
I think it's fine for morrow to race switch in gsl due to the format. There's a long enough lead time where his opponent can prepare for his terran for zvt.
Don't know if this has been answered yet but. Morrow likes to play zvt and zvp so in a few tournaments that he chooses his race so he doesn't get the zvz mirror MU. But it is to my understanding that GSL does not allow race switches. Does anyone know if that is the case and if it is which race he will select?
Aegeis he is switching it for a long time and I cant see nothing wrong with it. As long as everybody knows it. So they can prepare ZvT for his style same as they can for every other match. This is not kind of surorise factor, he will not switch it on a 10 secs counter
On November 30 2011 03:49 Aegeis wrote: Congratz but I still don't approve of tournaments allowing him to switch races for 1 match-up ಠ_ಠ
Why does it matter?
I'm not furious or anything I just believe that when you enter a tournament you should stick to the race you signed up with.
Why exactly?
Because he's essentially negating the chance for a mirror matchup, which is something every other pro player deals with.
It's like if HerO played his fantastic PvT and PvZ, and then goes "Meh PvP is too frustrating, I'll play TvP and just 1-1-1 every game"
I think your logic is completely flawed. If the competition knows that he will be playing that race, what is the problem? It's an obvious disadvantage to Morrow have to learn more than one race (even if it is for only one match-up)
On November 30 2011 03:49 Aegeis wrote: Congratz but I still don't approve of tournaments allowing him to switch races for 1 match-up ಠ_ಠ
Why does it matter?
Because if two people doing that face each other, it becomes quite messy. The thing he does works so smoothly because it relies on nobody else besides him doing that. (and he's not the only zerg hating zvz)
Uhm, it's not rocket science... As an organizer you just have to tell them to make a decision by a certain time. They'd most likely just pick their main race if they aren't sure what the other player would choose. There are a multitude of ways you could do this without any messiness. And I fail to see how it's relevant that other zergs are hating zvz.
nvm then, forget what I said.
guess I just have a general dislike towards players who shun a certain matchup and decide to race pick to get around with. seems like he's taking a cheap way out to me, while all other players decide to suck it up and stamp it as something that comes along with playing the race . :-/
Oh, and the "and" is suppose to be a logical "and".
edit: anyways, just personal opinion of a random user, not to be taken that seriously. not that i have any objective reason for the opinion that I have
He shouldnt be allowed to race pick. First off, as a competitive gamer your suppose to take the highs and lows of your race, not just selectively grabbing at whatever is easiest. More importantly, it allows for a dangerous possibility of two race pickers and incompatibility. Morrow plays terran against zerg, but maybe the guy he ends up playing, plays terran when he faces a terran? So morrow goes zerg to play a zvt, and the guy goes back to his original zerg, etc etc. Not only does that force an awkward situation, any fix [such as just doing the mirror] just produces sloppy and incompetent games. I expect people to, in a sense, suffer with their race. I expect a certain degree of competence by a player if he goes against a random and gets a bad matchup, and so on. Thats why I prefer the BW style of just saying, no, you can not play random, and no you can not race pick. Not to mention in the long term morrow is shooting himself in the foot. You cant play two races forever, the competition will raise to a point he wont be able to follow.
So, out of curiosity ... if Morrow is allowed to play TvZ instead of ZvZ, then it's only fair that other players are allowed to do so, right?. So say, Losira (just to name someone) decides he wants to play TvZ too (they both announce it and everyone knows about it). What happens if Morrow goes againts him?
I don't have a problem with someone picking match-ups, if he's better at TvZ than ZvZ, that's ok, after all, as any other player, he has to train for 3 match-ups. I just don't think it's fair that he's the only player allowed to do so, and if he isn't, then it could turn to be a REAL mess.
I love Morrow anyway, I'm sure he'll do fantastic ~~ Fighting !
On November 30 2011 04:42 Jimx wrote: So, out of curiosity ... if Morrow is allowed to play TvZ instead of ZvZ, then it's only fair that other players are allowed to do so, right?. So say, Losira (just to name someone) decides he wants to play TvZ too (they both announce it and everyone knows about it). What happens if Morrow goes againts him?
I don't have a problem with someone picking match-ups, if he's better at TvZ than ZvZ, that's ok, after all, as any other player, he has to train for 3 match-ups. I just don't think it's fair that he's the only player allowed to do so, and if he isn't, then it could turn to be a REAL mess.
I love Morrow anyway, I'm sure he'll do fantastic ~~ Fighting !
Then it becomes a contest of who can change their race in the lobby last.
Last I heard from Morrow he was displaying the best ZvP in the world (in my opinion). Looking forward to seeing him in GSL! And weird that GOM is bending their race picking rules
On November 30 2011 04:40 lizzard_warish wrote: He shouldnt be allowed to race pick. First off, as a competitive gamer your suppose to take the highs and lows of your race, not just selectively grabbing at whatever is easiest. More importantly, it allows for a dangerous possibility of two race pickers and incompatibility. Morrow plays terran against zerg, but maybe the guy he ends up playing, plays terran when he faces a terran? So morrow goes zerg to play a zvt, and the guy goes back to his original zerg, etc etc. Not only does that force an awkward situation, any fix [such as just doing the mirror] just produces sloppy and incompetent games. I expect people to, in a sense, suffer with their race. I expect a certain degree of competence by a player if he goes against a random and gets a bad matchup, and so on. Thats why I prefer the BW style of just saying, no, you can not play random, and no you can not race pick. Not to mention in the long term morrow is shooting himself in the foot. You cant play two races forever, the competition will raise to a point he wont be able to follow.
MLG solves that by having everyone pick their race blindly If a Zerg wants to pick Terran against him he could and he would have to play TvT
Wish him the best, but I gotta ask myself where the hell has he been the past 3 months? I hope he's been practicing and just doesn't get raped during his time in Korea.
On November 30 2011 04:40 lizzard_warish wrote: He shouldnt be allowed to race pick. First off, as a competitive gamer your suppose to take the highs and lows of your race, not just selectively grabbing at whatever is easiest. More importantly, it allows for a dangerous possibility of two race pickers and incompatibility. Morrow plays terran against zerg, but maybe the guy he ends up playing, plays terran when he faces a terran? So morrow goes zerg to play a zvt, and the guy goes back to his original zerg, etc etc. Not only does that force an awkward situation, any fix [such as just doing the mirror] just produces sloppy and incompetent games. I expect people to, in a sense, suffer with their race. I expect a certain degree of competence by a player if he goes against a random and gets a bad matchup, and so on. Thats why I prefer the BW style of just saying, no, you can not play random, and no you can not race pick. Not to mention in the long term morrow is shooting himself in the foot. You cant play two races forever, the competition will raise to a point he wont be able to follow.
MLG solves that by having everyone pick their race blindly If a Zerg wants to pick Terran against him he could and he would have to play TvT
Thats not solving, as I wrote right in my first post. The solutions for this are always awkward for the tournament, the viewers and the players, in that we are literally guaranteed a matchup where at least one person, possibly both, dont even really practice. A totally throw away series. Its a bad image for the player, the tourny and the industry for that to even be hypothetically possible. Professionalism demands a certain degree of quality in games.
I hope that in his cheesey plan to play TvZ instead of ZvZ during the GSL, that one of the zergs prepares massively in TvT and switches to T at the last minute.
Actually surprised they'll let him do this at all, I thought you were not allowed to race change in most major tourneys.
Awesome... i loved watching MorroW's play, especially after he switched to zerg, but sadly haven't seen to much of his play lately... Love to see how much he 's able to compete against the Koreans. GL HF!
Heh, I wish he'd just practice ZvZ. Seems a lot harder to learn TvZ as a Zerg player than ZvZ. ;_; but I guess if it's that big of a roadblock for him..
On November 30 2011 05:16 Wafflelisk wrote: Heh, I wish he'd just practice ZvZ. Seems a lot harder to learn TvZ as a Zerg player than ZvZ. ;_; but I guess if it's that big of a roadblock for him..
He was one of the best terrans in europe when he switched to zerg. His understanding of ZvT will also carry over to his TvZ matchup.
On November 30 2011 05:11 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote: I hope that in his cheesey plan to play TvZ instead of ZvZ during the GSL, that one of the zergs prepares massively in TvT and switches to T at the last minute.
Actually surprised they'll let him do this at all, I thought you were not allowed to race change in most major tourneys.
I don't see the problem. Morrow plays TvZ against all zergs, not just ones who are bad at ZvT. It would only be unfair if Morrow race-switched to snipe a player with subpar ZvT like YuGiOh, and then switched back against, let's say, Luvsic.
I don't know why he says ZvZ is a crapshoot considering there are zergs out there with undeniable success in the matchup.
On November 30 2011 05:16 Wafflelisk wrote: Heh, I wish he'd just practice ZvZ. Seems a lot harder to learn TvZ as a Zerg player than ZvZ. ;_; but I guess if it's that big of a roadblock for him..
didn't know gom allowed racepicking cool : ) atlease he'll be known for setteling that debate hope he does well... eventualy one of the swede should manage to pwn : )
playing 2 races is a lot harder than one even if T is only 1 matchup players should be able to switch freely whenever they want even during a bo7 i think its just makes everything more interesting
On November 30 2011 06:01 careohx wrote: playing 2 races is a lot harder than one even if T is only 1 matchup players should be able to switch freely whenever they want even during a bo7 i think its just makes everything more interesting
what if he plays against a guy who plays terran vs every race but zerg Morrow goes Zerg He goes Zerg Morrow goes Terran he goes terran Morrow goes Zerg he goes zerg
On November 30 2011 05:16 Wafflelisk wrote: Heh, I wish he'd just practice ZvZ. Seems a lot harder to learn TvZ as a Zerg player than ZvZ. ;_; but I guess if it's that big of a roadblock for him..
How far in advance would a Zerg like Losira have to announce he's playing TvT against Morrow? I assume they have to announce their race pick at the same time they find out about their match up? Otherwise, Zergs could be sneaky and practice TvT then pick T when playing MorroW and catch him in a match up he never practiced for.
On November 30 2011 06:01 careohx wrote: playing 2 races is a lot harder than one even if T is only 1 matchup players should be able to switch freely whenever they want even during a bo7 i think its just makes everything more interesting
what if he plays against a guy who plays terran vs every race but zerg Morrow goes Zerg He goes Zerg Morrow goes Terran he goes terran Morrow goes Zerg he goes zerg
On November 30 2011 06:08 Zzoram wrote: How far in advance would a Zerg like Losira have to announce he's playing TvT against Morrow? I assume they have to announce their race pick at the same time they find out about their match up? Otherwise, Zergs could be sneaky and practice TvT then pick T when playing MorroW and catch him in a match up he never practiced for.
No one with a brain would ever do that. It's not worth it to practice an entirely different match than the ones you usually do just to snipe one opponent.
On November 30 2011 06:01 careohx wrote: playing 2 races is a lot harder than one even if T is only 1 matchup players should be able to switch freely whenever they want even during a bo7 i think its just makes everything more interesting
what if he plays against a guy who plays terran vs every race but zerg Morrow goes Zerg He goes Zerg Morrow goes Terran he goes terran Morrow goes Zerg he goes zerg
you see the problem?
Both players blind pick. No problem.
Yeah I don't understand the problem. If you want to take it further gom could make him choose what matchups he wants to play for each season and then he can't change it until the next. That way you wouldn't be able change race based on the player. Picking blindly (to the other players choice) is the obvious solution though.
On November 30 2011 05:35 Bleb wrote: didn't know gom allowed racepicking cool : ) atlease he'll be known for setteling that debate hope he does well... eventualy one of the swede should manage to pwn : )
On November 30 2011 04:07 TensaiSakuragi wrote: So why does he get a Code A Seed? Players like ToD have been on tournaments around the globe lately and haven't gotten an invite and Morrow who hasn't done Jack for the last few months gets an insta invite? Kinda lame and undeserved if you ask me...
he has been pretty inactive indeed, but he 3-0ed puzzle not too long ago and he always shows result when he actually participates in tournaments. ( just look at NASL 6-1 etc.)
Yes! Been wondering for the last couple of months what hes been up to. Only bad thing is that soon there wont be any pros left in Sweden when all of them goes to Korea
How will he avoid ZvZ if he plays against a random player?
The instant a race-picker plays against a random player in a major tournament, people will realize that it will never work.
You can only have one or the other. It is impossible to allow race-pickers and random players into the same tournament without punishing one or the other.
Yeah ! Was wondering why so much silence around him since 1 or 2 month. He definitly have the potential to become a top Zerg player again, and get his TvZ to the better level in Korea.
Don't GSL forbid race picking tho ? I heard MorroW said in the past that him playing TvZ is not a problem because only GSL don't allow race picking.
On November 30 2011 07:05 Jcnorheim wrote: How will he avoid ZvZ if he plays against a random player?
The instant a race-picker plays against a random player in a major tournament, people will realize that it will never work.
You can only have one or the other. It is impossible to allow race-pickers and random players into the same tournament without punishing one or the other.
Well if you count Random as a forth Race ( which you could ) the Racepicker would've to choose something and hope for the best. Random is alot harder to pull off then race picking for MU's. So my guess is the race picker would be rightfully punished i my eyes.
On November 30 2011 07:07 Noocta wrote: Don't GSL forbid race picking tho ? I heard MorroW said in the past that him playing TvZ is not a problem because only GSL don't allow race picking.
Will there be any race picking restrictions? We will be locking players to one race for the duration of the season. Players will be allowed to select random as their race.
From the NASL rules but they don't seem to care ;D
On November 30 2011 06:53 amazingoopah wrote: good for Morrow, but I wish GSL will impose a rule against race-picking according to matchup... either play a race, or go totally random.
Why? StarCraft is about winning, and if someone thinks that practicing 2 races instead of 1 will help him do so, then I say by all means go ahead.
This is SOOOOO strange that he's playing TvZ instead of ZvZ. Makes no sense for me. If he doesnt like all the match ups he shouoldnt be playing zerg imo. He's the only pro who do such a thing and you cant say ZvZ is random match up otherwise NesTea wouldnt have 90% win rate in it.
On November 30 2011 08:02 [Erasmus] wrote: Does the GSL allow him to race pick T when he gets a Z opponent?
Read the OP. It says yes, for some reason, although GSL has always been strict about their T, Z, P, R only policy. But they've been flexible when it comes to accommodating foreigners so..
What I'm more interested to know is how Morrow got the Code A seed.
On November 30 2011 08:05 Hazzah wrote: This is SOOOOO strange that he's playing TvZ instead of ZvZ. Makes no sense for me. If he doesnt like all the match ups he shouoldnt be playing zerg imo. He's the only pro who do such a thing and you cant say ZvZ is random match up otherwise NesTea wouldnt have 90% win rate in it.
Can't belive people are till complaining about this, do you actually wanna watch ZvZ instead of TvZ? On anohter note, I can't wait to see Morrow play again since he is my favorite Zerg player
How did he get the Code A spot? I hope it wasn't just handed out because he was a fan favorite. I don't recall him pariticpating in MLG's or anything like that.
On November 30 2011 08:05 Hazzah wrote: This is SOOOOO strange that he's playing TvZ instead of ZvZ. Makes no sense for me. If he doesnt like all the match ups he shouoldnt be playing zerg imo. He's the only pro who do such a thing and you cant say ZvZ is random match up otherwise NesTea wouldnt have 90% win rate in it.
Can't belive people are till complaining about this, do you actually wanna watch ZvZ instead of TvZ? On anohter note, I can't wait to see Morrow play again since he is my favorite Zerg player
He might be your favourite player no doubt just because he is swedish just like you . And i found ZvZ interesting to watch. I cant see MorroWs chances to going far in GSL just because he has to focus on 2 races not just one. It shouldnt be allowed especially in GSL to do mutli race shinanigans.
Morrow is gonna have super scary ZvP very soon then, it was already good but now he's living in the house of protosses only good things can come of this
Awesome to hear as I was wondering why MorroW had disappeared so suddenly from the spotlights of sc2. Also really excited to see his TvZ in korea. Good luck!
On November 30 2011 08:05 Hazzah wrote: This is SOOOOO strange that he's playing TvZ instead of ZvZ. Makes no sense for me. If he doesnt like all the match ups he shouoldnt be playing zerg imo. He's the only pro who do such a thing and you cant say ZvZ is random match up otherwise NesTea wouldnt have 90% win rate in it.
Can't belive people are till complaining about this, do you actually wanna watch ZvZ instead of TvZ? On anohter note, I can't wait to see Morrow play again since he is my favorite Zerg player
He might be your favourite player no doubt just because he is swedish just like you . And i found ZvZ interesting to watch. I cant see MorroWs chances to going far in GSL just because he has to focus on 2 races not just one. It shouldnt be allowed especially in GSL to do mutli race shinanigans.
If anything its a disadvantage to play two races, I bet his opponents couldnt be happier about him playing TvZ instead of ZvZ. The reason I like Morrow as a player is that his creep-spread is amazing and he has a very unique playstyle.
On November 30 2011 08:11 1Eris1 wrote: How did he get the Code A spot? I hope it wasn't just handed out because he was a fan favorite. I don't recall him pariticpating in MLG's or anything like that.
I think he got a code A spot just because Gom already knows him from the world tourney. It's certainly not for any recent tourney as he's been inactive for a while.
On November 30 2011 08:05 Hazzah wrote: This is SOOOOO strange that he's playing TvZ instead of ZvZ. Makes no sense for me. If he doesnt like all the match ups he shouoldnt be playing zerg imo. He's the only pro who do such a thing and you cant say ZvZ is random match up otherwise NesTea wouldnt have 90% win rate in it.
Can't belive people are till complaining about this, do you actually wanna watch ZvZ instead of TvZ? On anohter note, I can't wait to see Morrow play again since he is my favorite Zerg player
He might be your favourite player no doubt just because he is swedish just like you . And i found ZvZ interesting to watch. I cant see MorroWs chances to going far in GSL just because he has to focus on 2 races not just one. It shouldnt be allowed especially in GSL to do mutli race shinanigans.
It's not really "focus on 2 races not just one" though. You could turn that around and say he only has to focus on two matchups while every else has three. That's not the whole turth either of course, but the point is that it's not a major disadvantage. I've been told that this, while still not common, happened from time to time in BW. Keeping in mind how much less mechanically demanding SC2 is, and how much more focused on strategy it is, this kind of thing should in theory be more beneficial in SC2 so I don't see this holding Morrow back. And it's not like Morrow is bad at terran. He won an IEM as Terran last year...
Morrow is one of my favorite players to watch. He's one of the few (alongside Ret) who will lose 20 drones to hellion harass, finally kill the hellions, and come out 10 drones ahead anyway. He's also the only one I've seen break the 100 drone mark.
Two race play is possible in Korean SC:BW scene. One major example is saviOr vs Gorush in MSL, where saviOr played T. Of course saviOr announced this long before the match that he will play T if he faces Gorush in their group match.
The result was complete domination by Gorush.
I really wish Morrow does well in GSL, but I also hope he focuses on one race. T.T
On November 30 2011 09:52 entropius wrote: Morrow is one of my favorite players to watch. He's one of the few (alongside Ret) who will lose 20 drones to hellion harass, finally kill the hellions, and come out 10 drones ahead anyway. He's also the only one I've seen break the 100 drone mark.
Looking forward to this!
guess you've never watched sheth, he commonly goes up to 100 or even more almost every ZvT
On November 30 2011 10:27 theBizness wrote: So GSL making these race picking accommodations for foreigners only?
I hope not. While it is great they want to support the foreigner pro's and want them to join the GSL they should look out how far they can push the rules before the koreans are getting annoyed. There is already an easy way for code A that completely excludes koreans even if they do exactly the same so putting more and more foreigner bias rules might bite them later.
Kinda dissapointed by this news. I don't like that Morrow is basically getting a free Code A spot, and that he is going to be allowed an exception on a rule that has been around forever. Just because he is a fan favorite does not mean he should be able to bypass this kind of stuff, just undermines the tournament as a whole. At least make him qualify through MLG...
On November 30 2011 10:38 1Eris1 wrote: Kinda dissapointed by this news. I don't like that Morrow is basically getting a free Code A spot, and that he is going to be allowed an exception on a rule that has been around forever. Just because he is a fan favorite does not mean he should be able to bypass this kind of stuff, just undermines the tournament as a whole. At least make him qualify through MLG...
Actually, are there any open spots after all the drama involving Byun/Coca?
Because this would make a lot of sense if there is.
On November 30 2011 10:38 1Eris1 wrote: Kinda dissapointed by this news. I don't like that Morrow is basically getting a free Code A spot, and that he is going to be allowed an exception on a rule that has been around forever. Just because he is a fan favorite does not mean he should be able to bypass this kind of stuff, just undermines the tournament as a whole. At least make him qualify through MLG...
awwww =(
Good luck MorroW!! Have hardly seen him play lately so I'm looking forward to seeing him in action again! 3 Months is a solid amount of time, better than ThorZaIN and SjoW's 1 month stay anyway.
On November 30 2011 10:38 1Eris1 wrote: Kinda dissapointed by this news. I don't like that Morrow is basically getting a free Code A spot, and that he is going to be allowed an exception on a rule that has been around forever. Just because he is a fan favorite does not mean he should be able to bypass this kind of stuff, just undermines the tournament as a whole. At least make him qualify through MLG...
Actually, are there any open spots after all the drama involving Byun/Coca?
Because this would make a lot of sense if there is.
If thats the case then I guess it would be okay. I'm just not a fan altogether of free rides when their are other people trying just as hard, and that includes the MLG system for that matter -.-.
Not happy that he will be able to race pick. I am not sure how things were done in BW but its something I really don't like. Use this time in Korea to improve your ZvZ
This is exciting, I can't wait to see his super passive Zerg in Korea. I wonder what things he will change to adapt to the constant higher level of play and analysis.
On November 30 2011 10:38 1Eris1 wrote: Kinda dissapointed by this news. I don't like that Morrow is basically getting a free Code A spot, and that he is going to be allowed an exception on a rule that has been around forever. Just because he is a fan favorite does not mean he should be able to bypass this kind of stuff, just undermines the tournament as a whole. At least make him qualify through MLG...
Wait.. There's a rule that prevents race picking in GSL? Never heard of that in a sc2 tournament, preventing race picking seems like such a kespa style bureaucracy move.
On November 30 2011 10:38 1Eris1 wrote: Kinda dissapointed by this news. I don't like that Morrow is basically getting a free Code A spot, and that he is going to be allowed an exception on a rule that has been around forever. Just because he is a fan favorite does not mean he should be able to bypass this kind of stuff, just undermines the tournament as a whole. At least make him qualify through MLG...
Wait.. There's a rule that prevents race picking in GSL? Never heard of that in a sc2 tournament, preventing race picking seems like such a kespa style bureaucracy move.
I believe it was mostly so you couldn't play as zerg for the whole tournament, then on the day of your next match show up as terran or something to completely baffle your oppenent. Idk though, something like that.
On November 30 2011 10:38 1Eris1 wrote: Kinda dissapointed by this news. I don't like that Morrow is basically getting a free Code A spot, and that he is going to be allowed an exception on a rule that has been around forever. Just because he is a fan favorite does not mean he should be able to bypass this kind of stuff, just undermines the tournament as a whole. At least make him qualify through MLG...
Wait.. There's a rule that prevents race picking in GSL? Never heard of that in a sc2 tournament, preventing race picking seems like such a kespa style bureaucracy move.
I believe it was mostly so you couldn't play as zerg for the whole tournament, then on the day of your next match show up as terran or something to completely baffle your oppenent. Idk though, something like that.
Could someone please tell me how he got a Code A err up/down slot in GSL? Also I thought the new format throws foreigners directly into up/down matches NOT Code A.
If I am correct then I think there needs to be mass education and we need to stop saying "foreigner to Code A" and start saying "foreigner to GSL" and point out that they will be thrown directly into up/down matches.
On November 30 2011 10:38 1Eris1 wrote: Kinda dissapointed by this news. I don't like that Morrow is basically getting a free Code A spot, and that he is going to be allowed an exception on a rule that has been around forever. Just because he is a fan favorite does not mean he should be able to bypass this kind of stuff, just undermines the tournament as a whole. At least make him qualify through MLG...
Wait.. There's a rule that prevents race picking in GSL? Never heard of that in a sc2 tournament, preventing race picking seems like such a kespa style bureaucracy move.
I believe it was mostly so you couldn't play as zerg for the whole tournament, then on the day of your next match show up as terran or something to completely baffle your oppenent. Idk though, something like that.
Is this actually written down somewhere?
No idea. I know it is a rule though. Just speculating there. (Most logical reason in my eyes)
On November 30 2011 12:38 onedayclose wrote: Could someone please tell me how he got a Code A err up/down slot in GSL? Also I thought the new format throws foreigners directly into up/down matches NOT Code A.
If I am correct then I think there needs to be mass education and we need to stop saying "foreigner to Code A" and start saying "foreigner to GSL" and point out that they will be thrown directly into up/down matches.
I don't think there's a fine distinction. GSL virtually inserts them anywhere. The new format allows 2 foreigners to enter up/downs right away, but that doesn't seem to put a limit on the number of foreigners they would allow into Code A on any merit.
I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him.
1/1/1 in fact is a good example of the crap you can do with switching races because of the ease of that strategy . Seriously, imagine 1 month ago, when no one knew how to deal with the 1/1/1. Imagine if Idra who historically has had issues against MC, just said, yeah I'm going to play Terran and do 1/1/1 this game.
On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote: I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him.
He only plays TvZ... He's Zerg vs Protoss and Terran. Most tournaments that have allowed him to racepick have only allowed him to play TvZ. It means he MUST play Terran against Zerg and Zerg vs Protoss and Terran. He can't switch midway through tournament.
If the opponent is Zerg, they know they should practice vs Terran. If the opponents are Protoss or Terrans, they practice against Zerg. What's the difficulty?
On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote: I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him.
He only plays TvZ... He's Zerg vs Protoss and Terran.
If the opponent is Zerg, they know they should practice vs Terran. If the opponents are Protoss or Terrans, they practice against Zerg. What's the difficulty?
On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote: I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him.
He only plays TvZ... He's Zerg vs Protoss and Terran.
If the opponent is Zerg, they know they should practice vs Terran. If the opponents are Protoss or Terrans, they practice against Zerg. What's the difficulty?
There's none, morons are morons.
The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point.
Can't wait for Morrow to rejoin the ranks of the elite zergs once again. He used to be mentioned a lot among the best foreigner zergs but he hasn't had a big showing at a major tournament in like 6 months. I have to wonder about his insistence on playing Terran vs Zerg though. In the GSL you have to prepare intently and specifically for your opponent. It would suck if MOrrow spent a month practicing zerg only to draw a terran in the first round of code A. Given the awful draws foreigners always get in code A it wouldn't surprise me if this happens.
On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote: I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him.
He only plays TvZ... He's Zerg vs Protoss and Terran.
If the opponent is Zerg, they know they should practice vs Terran. If the opponents are Protoss or Terrans, they practice against Zerg. What's the difficulty?
There's none, morons are morons.
The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point.
On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote: I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him.
He only plays TvZ... He's Zerg vs Protoss and Terran.
If the opponent is Zerg, they know they should practice vs Terran. If the opponents are Protoss or Terrans, they practice against Zerg. What's the difficulty?
There's none, morons are morons.
The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point.
But your point is not a good point.
Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote: I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him.
He only plays TvZ... He's Zerg vs Protoss and Terran.
If the opponent is Zerg, they know they should practice vs Terran. If the opponents are Protoss or Terrans, they practice against Zerg. What's the difficulty?
There's none, morons are morons.
The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point.
But your point is not a good point.
Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
(For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ).
On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote: I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him.
He only plays TvZ... He's Zerg vs Protoss and Terran.
If the opponent is Zerg, they know they should practice vs Terran. If the opponents are Protoss or Terrans, they practice against Zerg. What's the difficulty?
There's none, morons are morons.
The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point.
But your point is not a good point.
Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
(For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ).
Because vP wasn't his worst matchup. This rule allows players to specifically get around their worst matchup not through skill, but through any exploitable strategy that is around at the time. It's like playing random with all the advantages of playing random, but none of the disadvantages.
On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote: I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him.
He only plays TvZ... He's Zerg vs Protoss and Terran.
If the opponent is Zerg, they know they should practice vs Terran. If the opponents are Protoss or Terrans, they practice against Zerg. What's the difficulty?
There's none, morons are morons.
The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point.
But your point is not a good point.
Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
(For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ).
Because vP wasn't his worst matchup. This rule allows players to specifically get around their worst matchup not through skill, but through any exploitable strategy that is around at the time. It's like playing random with all the advantages of playing random, but none of the disadvantages.
Random players have no advantages.
As far as Morrow's racepicking goes, I'm pretty certain anyone who has played ZvZ can understand where he's coming from.
On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote: I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him.
He only plays TvZ... He's Zerg vs Protoss and Terran.
If the opponent is Zerg, they know they should practice vs Terran. If the opponents are Protoss or Terrans, they practice against Zerg. What's the difficulty?
There's none, morons are morons.
The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point.
But your point is not a good point.
Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
(For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ).
Because vP wasn't his worst matchup. This rule allows players to specifically get around their worst matchup not through skill, but through any exploitable strategy that is around at the time. It's like playing random with all the advantages of playing random, but none of the disadvantages.
You do realize that he also has to practice TvZ which he can't do efficiently playing on the ladder?
If I was say, JYP who has notoriously bad PvT, if I wanted to switch to ZvT or TvT, I would have to practice them also, which would probably be a lot harder than getting better at PvT.
The only argument I can give you is that it makes for logistical difficulties if you have multiple players racepicking, but since at the moment Morrow is the only one it's not really a big issue. On that note also, I'm not really a fan of Morrow's racepicking, but it doesn't really give him any advantages, so it's not a real big issue.
On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote: I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him.
He only plays TvZ... He's Zerg vs Protoss and Terran.
If the opponent is Zerg, they know they should practice vs Terran. If the opponents are Protoss or Terrans, they practice against Zerg. What's the difficulty?
There's none, morons are morons.
The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point.
But your point is not a good point.
Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
(For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ).
Because vP wasn't his worst matchup. This rule allows players to specifically get around their worst matchup not through skill, but through any exploitable strategy that is around at the time. It's like playing random with all the advantages of playing random, but none of the disadvantages.
You do realize that he also has to practice TvZ which he can't do efficiently playing on the ladder?
If I was say, JYP who has notoriously bad PvT, if I wanted to switch to ZvT or TvT, I would have to practice them also, which would probably be a lot harder than getting better at PvT.
The only argument I can give you is that it makes for logistical difficulties if you have multiple players racepicking, but since at the moment Morrow is the only one it's not really a big issue. On that note also, I'm not really a fan of Morrow's racepicking, but it doesn't really give him any advantages, so it's not a real big issue.
You wouldn't raceswitch every tournament. Only if an imbalance is found. If every couple of months, someone won because of raceswitching during a period of imbalance, from a spectator perspective that is terrible. And you may say the game is balanced now, but how about in a month? In 2? How about when HOTS comes out? How do you know another 1/1/1 won't be found? Unless Blizzard somehow magically learned to fix imbalance the second it's discovered, the raceswitching rule is uncompetitive.
and ladder practice doesnt matter when you're on a team. Idra doesn't seriously practice on ladder. Neither does nestea or immvp. It's not a big deal if you're a pro.
On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote: I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him.
He only plays TvZ... He's Zerg vs Protoss and Terran.
If the opponent is Zerg, they know they should practice vs Terran. If the opponents are Protoss or Terrans, they practice against Zerg. What's the difficulty?
There's none, morons are morons.
The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point.
But your point is not a good point.
Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
(For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ).
Because vP wasn't his worst matchup. This rule allows players to specifically get around their worst matchup not through skill, but through any exploitable strategy that is around at the time. It's like playing random with all the advantages of playing random, but none of the disadvantages.
You do realize that he also has to practice TvZ which he can't do efficiently playing on the ladder?
If I was say, JYP who has notoriously bad PvT, if I wanted to switch to ZvT or TvT, I would have to practice them also, which would probably be a lot harder than getting better at PvT.
The only argument I can give you is that it makes for logistical difficulties if you have multiple players racepicking, but since at the moment Morrow is the only one it's not really a big issue. On that note also, I'm not really a fan of Morrow's racepicking, but it doesn't really give him any advantages, so it's not a real big issue.
You wouldn't raceswitch every tournament. Only if an imbalance is found. If every couple of months, someone won because of raceswitching during a period of imbalance, from a spectator perspective that is terrible. And you may say the game is balanced now, but how about in a month? In 2? How about when HOTS comes out? Unless Blizzard somehow magically learned to fix imbalance the second it's discovered, the rule is uncompetitive.
Morrow has been playing TvZ for like close to 6 months now?
On November 30 2011 13:02 pdd wrote: [quote] He only plays TvZ... He's Zerg vs Protoss and Terran.
If the opponent is Zerg, they know they should practice vs Terran. If the opponents are Protoss or Terrans, they practice against Zerg. What's the difficulty?
There's none, morons are morons.
The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point.
But your point is not a good point.
Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
(For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ).
Because vP wasn't his worst matchup. This rule allows players to specifically get around their worst matchup not through skill, but through any exploitable strategy that is around at the time. It's like playing random with all the advantages of playing random, but none of the disadvantages.
You do realize that he also has to practice TvZ which he can't do efficiently playing on the ladder?
If I was say, JYP who has notoriously bad PvT, if I wanted to switch to ZvT or TvT, I would have to practice them also, which would probably be a lot harder than getting better at PvT.
The only argument I can give you is that it makes for logistical difficulties if you have multiple players racepicking, but since at the moment Morrow is the only one it's not really a big issue. On that note also, I'm not really a fan of Morrow's racepicking, but it doesn't really give him any advantages, so it's not a real big issue.
You wouldn't raceswitch every tournament. Only if an imbalance is found. If every couple of months, someone won because of raceswitching during a period of imbalance, from a spectator perspective that is terrible. And you may say the game is balanced now, but how about in a month? In 2? How about when HOTS comes out? Unless Blizzard somehow magically learned to fix imbalance the second it's discovered, the rule is uncompetitive.
Morrow has been playing TvZ for like close to 6 months now?
Yeah and? what does that have anything to do with my point? He can play Terran all he wants. But if for just a month or even as short as a week before Blizzard fixes it, someone finds a relatively easy strategy against a race for a tournament, someone switches race to exploit that imbalance. And he is allowed to only switch race only for that matchup. Why should that be allowed?
On November 30 2011 13:03 GettinMyFill wrote: [quote]
There's none, morons are morons.
The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point.
But your point is not a good point.
Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
(For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ).
Because vP wasn't his worst matchup. This rule allows players to specifically get around their worst matchup not through skill, but through any exploitable strategy that is around at the time. It's like playing random with all the advantages of playing random, but none of the disadvantages.
You do realize that he also has to practice TvZ which he can't do efficiently playing on the ladder?
If I was say, JYP who has notoriously bad PvT, if I wanted to switch to ZvT or TvT, I would have to practice them also, which would probably be a lot harder than getting better at PvT.
The only argument I can give you is that it makes for logistical difficulties if you have multiple players racepicking, but since at the moment Morrow is the only one it's not really a big issue. On that note also, I'm not really a fan of Morrow's racepicking, but it doesn't really give him any advantages, so it's not a real big issue.
You wouldn't raceswitch every tournament. Only if an imbalance is found. If every couple of months, someone won because of raceswitching during a period of imbalance, from a spectator perspective that is terrible. And you may say the game is balanced now, but how about in a month? In 2? How about when HOTS comes out? Unless Blizzard somehow magically learned to fix imbalance the second it's discovered, the rule is uncompetitive.
Morrow has been playing TvZ for like close to 6 months now?
Yeah and? what does that have anything to do with my point?
Which means he didn't switch because of imbalances. He just likes to play TvZ. And even if he did switch what was wrong with it? TLO switches every 15 hours or something (although it's the whole race). You going to stop him from race switching every alternate tournament or something?
The benefits of switching is VASTLY outweighed by the costs of switching. That's why Idra's still Zerg and various other players have never switched.
On November 30 2011 13:06 GhostFall wrote: [quote]
The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point.
But your point is not a good point.
Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
(For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ).
Because vP wasn't his worst matchup. This rule allows players to specifically get around their worst matchup not through skill, but through any exploitable strategy that is around at the time. It's like playing random with all the advantages of playing random, but none of the disadvantages.
You do realize that he also has to practice TvZ which he can't do efficiently playing on the ladder?
If I was say, JYP who has notoriously bad PvT, if I wanted to switch to ZvT or TvT, I would have to practice them also, which would probably be a lot harder than getting better at PvT.
The only argument I can give you is that it makes for logistical difficulties if you have multiple players racepicking, but since at the moment Morrow is the only one it's not really a big issue. On that note also, I'm not really a fan of Morrow's racepicking, but it doesn't really give him any advantages, so it's not a real big issue.
You wouldn't raceswitch every tournament. Only if an imbalance is found. If every couple of months, someone won because of raceswitching during a period of imbalance, from a spectator perspective that is terrible. And you may say the game is balanced now, but how about in a month? In 2? How about when HOTS comes out? Unless Blizzard somehow magically learned to fix imbalance the second it's discovered, the rule is uncompetitive.
Morrow has been playing TvZ for like close to 6 months now?
Yeah and? what does that have anything to do with my point?
Which means he didn't switch because of imbalances. He just likes to play TvZ. And even if he did switch what was wrong with it? TLO switches every 15 hours or something (although it's the whole race). You going to stop him from race switching every alternate tournament or something?
The benefits of switching is VASTLY outweighed by the costs of switching. That's why Idra's still Zerg and various other players have never switched.
It's not a big deal. Just let it go.
Again what does this have to do with my point? This has nothing to do with morrow. He's just the guy who is being allowed to raceswitch. If you're going to race switch, you should be forced to stick to that same race the whole tournament through for every matchup.
On November 30 2011 13:14 pdd wrote: [quote] But your point is not a good point.
Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
(For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ).
Because vP wasn't his worst matchup. This rule allows players to specifically get around their worst matchup not through skill, but through any exploitable strategy that is around at the time. It's like playing random with all the advantages of playing random, but none of the disadvantages.
You do realize that he also has to practice TvZ which he can't do efficiently playing on the ladder?
If I was say, JYP who has notoriously bad PvT, if I wanted to switch to ZvT or TvT, I would have to practice them also, which would probably be a lot harder than getting better at PvT.
The only argument I can give you is that it makes for logistical difficulties if you have multiple players racepicking, but since at the moment Morrow is the only one it's not really a big issue. On that note also, I'm not really a fan of Morrow's racepicking, but it doesn't really give him any advantages, so it's not a real big issue.
You wouldn't raceswitch every tournament. Only if an imbalance is found. If every couple of months, someone won because of raceswitching during a period of imbalance, from a spectator perspective that is terrible. And you may say the game is balanced now, but how about in a month? In 2? How about when HOTS comes out? Unless Blizzard somehow magically learned to fix imbalance the second it's discovered, the rule is uncompetitive.
Morrow has been playing TvZ for like close to 6 months now?
Yeah and? what does that have anything to do with my point?
Which means he didn't switch because of imbalances. He just likes to play TvZ. And even if he did switch what was wrong with it? TLO switches every 15 hours or something (although it's the whole race). You going to stop him from race switching every alternate tournament or something?
The benefits of switching is VASTLY outweighed by the costs of switching. That's why Idra's still Zerg and various other players have never switched.
It's not a big deal. Just let it go.
Again what does this have to do with my point? This has nothing to do with morrow. He's just the guy who is being allowed to raceswitch. If you're going to race switch, you should be forced to stick to that same race the whole tournament through for every matchup.
The point is if someone race switches, he's going to have to relearn a new race just to take advantage of whatever "imbalances" which occurs. And you can't relearn it in a short period of time.
And Morrow is being forced to stick to TvZ, ZvT, ZvP. He's not switching those matchups over the course of the tournament.
You're really making it not worth my time to argue with you.
On November 30 2011 13:21 GGzerG wrote: GL Morrow, is he going to be a matchup player in GSL as well? O.O if so then I wish him the best of luck.. I don't know anyone else who does this. :-P
I know the last shadow told me that he could race pick in GSL (zvt/zvp tvz). I remember being surprised he played terran against me in zotac when last I heard he switched to zerg and he told me that and that GSL allowed this.
On November 30 2011 13:17 GhostFall wrote: [quote]
Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
(For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ).
Because vP wasn't his worst matchup. This rule allows players to specifically get around their worst matchup not through skill, but through any exploitable strategy that is around at the time. It's like playing random with all the advantages of playing random, but none of the disadvantages.
You do realize that he also has to practice TvZ which he can't do efficiently playing on the ladder?
If I was say, JYP who has notoriously bad PvT, if I wanted to switch to ZvT or TvT, I would have to practice them also, which would probably be a lot harder than getting better at PvT.
The only argument I can give you is that it makes for logistical difficulties if you have multiple players racepicking, but since at the moment Morrow is the only one it's not really a big issue. On that note also, I'm not really a fan of Morrow's racepicking, but it doesn't really give him any advantages, so it's not a real big issue.
You wouldn't raceswitch every tournament. Only if an imbalance is found. If every couple of months, someone won because of raceswitching during a period of imbalance, from a spectator perspective that is terrible. And you may say the game is balanced now, but how about in a month? In 2? How about when HOTS comes out? Unless Blizzard somehow magically learned to fix imbalance the second it's discovered, the rule is uncompetitive.
Morrow has been playing TvZ for like close to 6 months now?
Yeah and? what does that have anything to do with my point?
Which means he didn't switch because of imbalances. He just likes to play TvZ. And even if he did switch what was wrong with it? TLO switches every 15 hours or something (although it's the whole race). You going to stop him from race switching every alternate tournament or something?
The benefits of switching is VASTLY outweighed by the costs of switching. That's why Idra's still Zerg and various other players have never switched.
It's not a big deal. Just let it go.
Again what does this have to do with my point? This has nothing to do with morrow. He's just the guy who is being allowed to raceswitch. If you're going to race switch, you should be forced to stick to that same race the whole tournament through for every matchup.
The point is if someone race switches, he's going to have to relearn a new race just to take advantage of whatever "imbalances" which occurs. And you can't relearn it in a short period of time.
And Morrow is being forced to stick to TvZ, ZvT, ZvP. He's not switching those matchups over the course of the tournament.
You're really making it not worth my time to argue with you.
Except mechanics carry over. MC can play Terran at a korean GM level. So can Losira. Immvp can play Zerg at a GM level. Simply by virtue of having good mechanics and knowing the capabilities from the perspective of their own race, this is true. They won't have all the timings down, but if there is an imbalance, there are many players good enough to take advantage if an imbalance is found.
WOOT WOOT WOOOOOOOOOT Sorry, I love Morrow, he's like on my favorite players, and I think he's one of the most skilled despite being under the radar for a few months. I'm sure he'll do well, he'll now have jjakji and sage to train 24/24, it's beautiful :p
On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote: You wouldn't raceswitch every tournament. Only if an imbalance is found. If every couple of months, someone won because of raceswitching during a period of imbalance, from a spectator perspective that is terrible. And you may say the game is balanced now, but how about in a month? In 2? How about when HOTS comes out? How do you know another 1/1/1 won't be found? Unless Blizzard somehow magically learned to fix imbalance the second it's discovered, the raceswitching rule is uncompetitive.
and ladder practice doesnt matter when you're on a team. Idra doesn't seriously practice on ladder. Neither does nestea or immvp. It's not a big deal if you're a pro.
Race-picking by definition has no relationship with balance. You can't use race-picking to leverage a balance advantage because race-picking means playing both sides of at least one of the match ups.
MorroW is going to play (and has been playing) both TvZ and ZvT. He just thinks he does better if he avoids ZvZ.
As has been pointed out, the only concerns here are inconsistent treatment of the rules (both NASL and GSL appear to disallow this on paper but allow MorroW to do it anyways), and the wonky scenarios if two race-pickers meet each other (lawl if two Zerg race-pickers end up playing a TvT).
tnx for all positive feedback i will try my best to use the time well here and improve
after these 3 months (or however long it actually will be) i might just go back to korea very shortly after once again. korea is a long term plan for me and i dont see this as just "being in korea a while to gain some skill"
the reason they told me why i get the code a invite (if i remember correctly) is because of all my achievements during my sc2 time. last time i was in korea for world championship they said they would gladly invite me to code a then too if i would have stayed im one who really hate people getting invites out of being foreigner or have fans but they gave me the invite because of my achievements in sc2 so far
i wont go in to why i race pick since i told the community a million times but yes. all tournaments i know, this day, allows my race picking. i will always tvz zvt zvp, there wont be certain players or rounds or tournaments where i just randomly pick another matchup to throw my opponents off. also if im up vs a random player ill gladly pick zerg since only 33% zvz and even if it is zvz i have much more experience than the random player in this matchup lol. so stop with the theoretical bullshit please
theres no specific thing about me going 10 days before nasl to korea. i expected to be in korea alot sooner but finding a team and preparing everything was extremely much work for me t.t so then team said, nasl is close, either wait after nasl then go to korea or go asap. and i wanted to just go asap because the last 2-3 weeks i was just rolling my thumbs waiting eagerly to go
about nshs mouz "partnership". there is none, i just become friends with the team, and with contacts i got myself to this team, mouz took no part in it. (they did help with other things ofcourse tho im just saying there is no partnership, nshs is just being friendly).
and the thing about 2 racepickers meeting each other. you are talking about a scenario that doesnt exist atm. nobody else but me is doing this, comon now. i talked to many progamers during my sc2 time who wanted to change races, but didnt have the balls or the motivation to give up their skill to start over. its not like theres suddenly gonna appear more race pickers now just because gsl allows this IMO they could just make a simple flip-a-coin rule if 2 race pickers meet each other of who play zvt and who play tvz, i dont see the problem at all lol
yay for morrow! He's one of those guys that just pretty much demolishes any tournament he competes in, but somehow doesn't get as much attention as he deserves :o
after these 3 months (or however long it actually will be) i might just go back to korea very shortly after once again. korea is a long term plan for me and i dont see this as just "being in korea a while to gain some skill"
I was hoping I'd hear this. Finally a zerg with long term plans in Korea. So far it's been mostly protoss (Huk, Naniwa, Sase, ToD) and a couple terrans (Fenix, Major), but no zergs. Crush some nerds Morrow!
This is probably a minority opinion but I'm a little tired of GSL babying foreigners and giving free spots away. Currently, there are so many good Korean who are forced to compete in qualification instead of getting spots like Morrow, Sjow, Demuslim and others. I like that GSL has a partnership with MLG to bring people over and reward success but now they are just babying foreigners, hoping to get more of their (I suspect) greatly lopsided viewership from the non-Korean demographic.
GL to Morrow but I would be more excited watching you if you made it through the qualifiers showing great skill after hard work instead of flaming out in the first round like I have come to expect out of every foreigner that goes over to compete.
On November 30 2011 14:55 setzer wrote: This is probably a minority opinion but I'm a little tired of GSL babying foreigners and giving free spots away. Currently, there are so many good Korean who are forced to compete in qualification instead of getting spots like Morrow, Sjow, Demuslim and others. I like that GSL has a partnership with MLG to bring people over and reward success but now they are just babying foreigners, hoping to get more of their (I suspect) greatly lopsided viewership from the non-Korean demographic.
GL to Morrow but I would be more excited watching you if you made it through the qualifiers showing great skill after hard work instead of flaming out in the first round like I have come to expect out of every foreigner that goes over to compete.
GSL is trying to foster having as many skilled foreigners in the GSL so that it's not just a tournament for Koreans. What's wrong with diversity, and at the same time bolstering the skills of the foreigners who place high enough that they get a chance to compete in code A/S? Win, win how I see it.
On November 30 2011 14:55 setzer wrote: This is probably a minority opinion but I'm a little tired of GSL babying foreigners and giving free spots away. Currently, there are so many good Korean who are forced to compete in qualification instead of getting spots like Morrow, Sjow, Demuslim and others. I like that GSL has a partnership with MLG to bring people over and reward success but now they are just babying foreigners, hoping to get more of their (I suspect) greatly lopsided viewership from the non-Korean demographic.
GL to Morrow but I would be more excited watching you if you made it through the qualifiers showing great skill after hard work instead of flaming out in the first round like I have come to expect out of every foreigner that goes over to compete.
Well, look at that, I will stay up one night I wouldn't to see MorroW's games, you have a point, but they have one too.
On November 30 2011 14:55 setzer wrote: This is probably a minority opinion but I'm a little tired of GSL babying foreigners and giving free spots away. Currently, there are so many good Korean who are forced to compete in qualification instead of getting spots like Morrow, Sjow, Demuslim and others. I like that GSL has a partnership with MLG to bring people over and reward success but now they are just babying foreigners, hoping to get more of their (I suspect) greatly lopsided viewership from the non-Korean demographic.
GL to Morrow but I would be more excited watching you if you made it through the qualifiers showing great skill after hard work instead of flaming out in the first round like I have come to expect out of every foreigner that goes over to compete.
Foreign tournaments have inviting Koreans much more than gsl have invited foreigners. And why's that? To get more viewers. You could argue that's ok because Koreans are generally better but don't pretend that it's some form of qualification process for that either.
This is so great! Happy for you man! I hope you have a nice time and get some great games going. Been wondering alot why we havent seen much of you lately so this is gonna be so sweet!
Awesome. While I haven't seen much of MorroW lately, he was always one of my favorite players. Looking forward to see him prove that he's still in the absolute top.
I'd really love to see you stream more while you're stomping some korean face on ladder over there. But at the same time, i understand why some players don't being all secret with revealing their respective playstyles and so on.
On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote: I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him.
He only plays TvZ... He's Zerg vs Protoss and Terran.
If the opponent is Zerg, they know they should practice vs Terran. If the opponents are Protoss or Terrans, they practice against Zerg. What's the difficulty?
There's none, morons are morons.
The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point.
On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote: I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him.
He only plays TvZ... He's Zerg vs Protoss and Terran.
If the opponent is Zerg, they know they should practice vs Terran. If the opponents are Protoss or Terrans, they practice against Zerg. What's the difficulty?
There's none, morons are morons.
The only morons are those who call others morons for bringing up a good point.
But your point is not a good point.
Tell me how would you feel, if at any of the MLGs, at the height of 1/1/1, if Idra announced before each tournament, "I will be playing Terran against Protoss." Gives him more time to just focus on ZvT and ZvZ because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do, any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
How is it fair that Puma plays Terran against Protoss? Gives him more time to just focus on TvZ and TvT because the 1/1/1 was so easy to do any pro level player could perform a well executed one within a week or 2 of practice. How is that fair? In any way.
(For those not getting sarcasm, I was merely being sarcastic. I think the game is extremely balanced at the moment, especially in TvZ, which makes your point moot. ).
Because vP wasn't his worst matchup. This rule allows players to specifically get around their worst matchup not through skill, but through any exploitable strategy that is around at the time. It's like playing random with all the advantages of playing random, but none of the disadvantages.
Morrow almost always play very macro and standard based tvz, so you can stfu with ur QQ now please.
Why can't Morrow just practice ZvZ more? Has it always been a rule that you can do this, or did GSL just make an exception for Morrow? If its the later then I agree with the notion that people should be allowed to switch race and 1/1/1 against Protoss then for the same reasons they're letting Morrow play TvZ.
On November 30 2011 17:23 Jojo131 wrote: Why can't Morrow just practice ZvZ more? Has it always been a rule that you can do this, or did GSL just make an exception for Morrow? If its the later then I agree with the notion that people should be allowed to switch race and 1/1/1 against Protoss then for the same reasons they're letting Morrow play TvZ.
seriously? what do u think? ofc gsl would NEVER do an exception just for morrow?
On November 30 2011 17:23 Jojo131 wrote: Why can't Morrow just practice ZvZ more? Has it always been a rule that you can do this, or did GSL just make an exception for Morrow? If its the later then I agree with the notion that people should be allowed to switch race and 1/1/1 against Protoss then for the same reasons they're letting Morrow play TvZ.
seriously? what do u think? ofc gsl would NEVER do an exception just for morrow?
Why have we seen random players in the GSL then? Obviously the random players have favored match ups so why do they leave it to chance instead of just simply race picking. They have already made an exception with his free ride into Code A so they can do it again.
LOL at people fussing over race-picking. Starcraft (from BW to SC2) has always allowed race-picking if their choices are stated at the start of the tournament. For instance, someone can make this stipulation:
I'll play terran, unless: - If it's Bel'shir Beach or Crossfire, then I'll play zerg. - If it's Calm Before the Storm, then I'll play protoss. - If I'm playing Ryung or Cllliiiiiddddeeee, then I'll play protoss irregardless of the map. - If it's a zerg opponent then I'll play zerg, but not if I'm playing on Calm Before the Storm.
This is clearly stated prior to the tournament starting - someone is not allowed to make changes midway during the tournament. As for 2 people who make potentially conflicting stipulations - then it's a bridge we will have to cross (if it ever happens... like 0.0001% chance).
I think you all is take this the wrong way, who cares if he plays tvz or zvz? its o foreigner with a chance to take out the most of the korean code a players, and its of course more fun to watch a player from "sweden" then a korean player just cuz they are foreigners! Sure its bad that the other foreigners gets knocked out in the first round, but if no one tries we wont see any jinro semi finals in code s again!.
Lol, I almost forgot Morrow exists. I have not been watching this season NASL and I have not seen him compete anywhere else. I hope he does well in Korea and in WCG.
On November 30 2011 17:23 Jojo131 wrote: Why can't Morrow just practice ZvZ more? Has it always been a rule that you can do this, or did GSL just make an exception for Morrow? If its the later then I agree with the notion that people should be allowed to switch race and 1/1/1 against Protoss then for the same reasons they're letting Morrow play TvZ.
seriously? what do u think? ofc gsl would NEVER do an exception just for morrow?
Why have we seen random players in the GSL then? Obviously the random players have favored match ups so why do they leave it to chance instead of just simply race picking. They have already made an exception with his free ride into Code A so they can do it again.
His free ride isn't an exception... They have invited top foreigners that goes to Korea a place in the gsl since a long time back, so that analogy fails hard.
Of course they could have made an exception specifically for Morrow but it's more likely just that very few players wants to learn and practise two races. The few random players that have played in the gsl is not proof of anything. Maybe they didn't ask or just prefered having the "random factor" over their opponents, getting the slight advantage of their opponents not knowing their race at the start.
This is SO awesome. Except for totally destroying his NASL group, there was no Morrow to be seen in the last few months, which made me quiet sad, since in my book he's still the best european Zerg, despite all the Stephano and Nerchio hype, and Ret being a beast lately. Also there's always Dima, but he's a bit camera shy too.
On November 30 2011 17:23 Jojo131 wrote: If its the later then I agree with the notion that people should be allowed to switch race and 1/1/1 against Protoss then for the same reasons they're letting Morrow play TvZ.
I kinda wish they would do that, just so they'd make a rule outlawing it. But alas, here we are.
It's really difficult to respect a player who doesn't commit to a race like that. But good luck anyway.
Awesome!!! Good luck!! I wasn't much of a believer when he first switched to zerg from terran, but he's come a long way, and is definitely one of the topic European zergs out there. I think he'll do well in Korea.
On November 30 2011 17:23 Jojo131 wrote: Why can't Morrow just practice ZvZ more? Has it always been a rule that you can do this, or did GSL just make an exception for Morrow? If its the later then I agree with the notion that people should be allowed to switch race and 1/1/1 against Protoss then for the same reasons they're letting Morrow play TvZ.
seriously? what do u think? ofc gsl would NEVER do an exception just for morrow?
Why have we seen random players in the GSL then? Obviously the random players have favored match ups so why do they leave it to chance instead of just simply race picking. They have already made an exception with his free ride into Code A so they can do it again.
Plz read it again, do it , do it right.
what i meant was why the fuck would GSL make an exception for morrow to race pick? ofc everyone has the right to do it.
On November 30 2011 17:23 Jojo131 wrote: If its the later then I agree with the notion that people should be allowed to switch race and 1/1/1 against Protoss then for the same reasons they're letting Morrow play TvZ.
I kinda wish they would do that, just so they'd make a rule outlawing it. But alas, here we are.
It's really difficult to respect a player who doesn't commit to a race like that. But good luck anyway.
How about you respect a player who shows obvious skill? Commiting to a race is BS, if you want to racepick and the tournament rules allow it, then great. Oh no, he's showing us TvZ and not ZvZ, why the hell would you even want ZvZ over TvZ in any scenario?
Its not like he's just pulling this out without telling anyone. Sure, it'd be a disadvantage if he went into a series with a Zerg who thought he'd be playing a ZvZ, but that's not the case. Everyone in GSL should be aware that Morrow plays Terran vs Zerg, thus every Zerg that runs into Morrow should be practicing ZvT. No unfair advantage at all.
On November 30 2011 17:23 Jojo131 wrote: If its the later then I agree with the notion that people should be allowed to switch race and 1/1/1 against Protoss then for the same reasons they're letting Morrow play TvZ.
I kinda wish they would do that, just so they'd make a rule outlawing it. But alas, here we are.
It's really difficult to respect a player who doesn't commit to a race like that. But good luck anyway.
Are you for real? You can't respect a player who practices two races instead of one? Racepicking has been around since BW. If there was one thing I didn't think would happen with the introduction of SC2, that would be someone shunning racepickers.
I had high hopes for morrow a few months back when I first witnessed his zerg play, i was really impressed. That hype has really gone away recently, I didn't know he was even playing the game still. But this is exciting news for me. His macro was always inspiring. I'd love to see him do well in Korea and put my doubts to rest. Best wishes Morrow, give it your all out there.
and the thing about 2 racepickers meeting each other. you are talking about a scenario that doesnt exist atm. nobody else but me is doing this, comon now. i talked to many progamers during my sc2 time who wanted to change races, but didnt have the balls or the motivation to give up their skill to start over. its not like theres suddenly gonna appear more race pickers now just because gsl allows this IMO they could just make a simple flip-a-coin rule if 2 race pickers meet each other of who play zvt and who play tvz, i dont see the problem at all lol
Haha MorroW, i believe GGLastShadow also plays TVZ ZVT ZVP. He's also living in Korea so theres acutally a small chance of this happening.
and the thing about 2 racepickers meeting each other. you are talking about a scenario that doesnt exist atm. nobody else but me is doing this, comon now. i talked to many progamers during my sc2 time who wanted to change races, but didnt have the balls or the motivation to give up their skill to start over. its not like theres suddenly gonna appear more race pickers now just because gsl allows this IMO they could just make a simple flip-a-coin rule if 2 race pickers meet each other of who play zvt and who play tvz, i dont see the problem at all lol
Haha MorroW, i believe GGLastShadow also plays TVZ ZVT ZVP. He's also living in Korea so theres acutally a small chance of this happening.
He does xD. But if this happens it is just a matter of one of them playing T and the other Z like MorroW said.
Sadly, I can't remember which season it was, but I do KNOW, that racepicking HAS happened in the GSTL. I think it was a finals of season one. They sent out sum unk and tastosis was "and here they sent out a Z (?) to play in a ZvZ. Now this guy just switched from P (?).... Hang on, sorry, he's actually playing PvZ"
Or sumthing along those lines.
Also, if you look at the format of the new GSL, they allow foreigner invites, so this isnt in SPITE of some Korean, its actually a slot left open for foreigners.
Finally, Morrow said above that he wasn't an invite as a foreigner, but more as a top level player and his achievements in SC2
Wow, 24 pages for this. Seems like a lot of people are interested in the infested terran.
My biggest concern is how well he defends against cheese and early pressure as he never plays on the ladder and tbh I feel like laddering a lot is the best way to learn how to defend against cheese. Its probably the only area where playing ladder is better than playing practice partners.
On December 01 2011 04:38 DaCruise wrote: Wow, 24 pages for this. Seems like a lot of people are interested in the infested terran.
My biggest concern is how well he defends against cheese and early pressure as he never plays on the ladder and tbh I feel like laddering a lot is the best way to learn how to defend against cheese. Its probably the only area where playing ladder is better than playing practice partners.
He was in Korea when the GSL WC was played, so he does have experience against korean players from the past. I've seen a couple of replays where he plays against some Korean Terrans, and he does quite fine against their aggressive style.
Amazing!! It's good that players realize that Korea is the place to be for StarCraft! I like the direct seed for the Up/Down next GSL, good luck to Morrow!
On December 01 2011 04:38 DaCruise wrote: Wow, 24 pages for this. Seems like a lot of people are interested in the infested terran.
My biggest concern is how well he defends against cheese and early pressure as he never plays on the ladder and tbh I feel like laddering a lot is the best way to learn how to defend against cheese. Its probably the only area where playing ladder is better than playing practice partners.
I think morrow plays on ladder? At least when I watched his stream some time ago he had a gm smurf.
I'm really happy to hear this. I was getting really excited watching Morrow play a few months back and thought he was getting close to the point where many would consider him the best foreign Zerg. Then he just...like...disappeared. Can't wait to see how beastly he is in a few months!
On December 01 2011 04:38 DaCruise wrote: Wow, 24 pages for this. Seems like a lot of people are interested in the infested terran.
My biggest concern is how well he defends against cheese and early pressure as he never plays on the ladder and tbh I feel like laddering a lot is the best way to learn how to defend against cheese. Its probably the only area where playing ladder is better than playing practice partners.
I think morrow plays on ladder? At least when I watched his stream some time ago he had a gm smurf.
On his regurlar account he doesn't have a lot of ladder games but a ton of custom games played. It wouldn't surprise me if he has a smurf though as you suggests but I haven't seen it myself.
This is awesome - one of my favourite players and my favourite team. Morrow is one of the most taleneted players in the world, I hope he can do well in code A...
On December 01 2011 04:38 DaCruise wrote: Wow, 24 pages for this. Seems like a lot of people are interested in the infested terran.
My biggest concern is how well he defends against cheese and early pressure as he never plays on the ladder and tbh I feel like laddering a lot is the best way to learn how to defend against cheese. Its probably the only area where playing ladder is better than playing practice partners.
MorroW against cheese.. well. He's the only zerg i saw defend the 3 bunkers rush on Shakuras after the bunkers got up. :< He's quite strong against cheese. Lot of casters will refere him as the most cheese proof player.
Isn't it a bit unfair in a game that is still actively patched to avoid one of your matchups? I think MorroW is a great player and have nothing against him but just not sure if it should be allowed really. In BW even some pro's would choose to TvZ instead of ZvZ i bet.
Why does "your matchups" have to be the ones you think they are? Are you suggesting TvZ is imbalanced and that's the reason Morrow switched?
Race picking have been allowed for a lot of foreign tournaments (I usually check the rules of the tournaments I'm watching) and yet Morrow is the only high profile name I can think of that does this. The whole, "oh noez, players will pick terran and 1-1-1 protoss players" and the equivallent reasonings are nothing more than irrational fears.
On December 01 2011 17:31 RaiKageRyu wrote: I thought GSL outlaws race-picking... Hope they didn't just bend down cause "it's a foreigner".
I dont really care, I cant really see a valid reason not to allow it as long as you announce it in advance and stick to it through the tournament. Every player has to practice and play three matchups.
On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote: I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him.
A lot of foreigners did it in BW too so they could avoid their mirror matchup... Ret used to play ZvT ZvP TvZ but switched to ZvZ when he moved to Korea because race picking wasn't allowed in Korean BW. As long as the GSL permits it I don't see the problem...it's not like he's doing it to exploit a specific opponent's weaker matchup. Also Morrow always TvZ now, so your point about choosing to confuse an opponent or give yourself a statistical advantage is kinda null...
On November 30 2011 12:58 GhostFall wrote: I think it's stupidly unfair that he gets to choose his race.
Think of his opponent. Morrow knows the race of his opponent. He can practice his intended matchup, but his opponent is left guessing. Will he be playing Terran? Will he be playing Zerg?
And think about how the tournament goes on. Imagine Morrow is in the finals. He played Zerg all the way until that point. Then he switches to Terran for the finals. He'll have loads upon loads of replays to watch against his opponent. His opponent will only see his Zerg play.
What of imbalance? What if there is an imbalance that is discovered, but not yet fixed by Blizzard? Should it be ok that someone is just allowed to exploit that imbalance by simply switching whenever he feels like it?
If he wants to play ZvT and ZvP, but not play ZvZ, he should have to play random and pray he gets lucky. I don't think Morrow will do that well, but the fact he can choose the matchup he wants is stupid and goes completely against the spirit of competition.
I hate PvP. Does that mean I can choose Terran whenever I get matched up against Protoss? It'll be nice, I can 1/1/1 him.
He only plays three matchups. tvz, zvt zvp. dumbass.
On December 01 2011 16:28 Noocta wrote: He's the only zerg i saw defend the 3 bunkers rush on Shakuras after the bunkers got up. :<
Is that even possible?
Vods or i won't believe it.
Haha
I think ( don't quote me on that ) it was versus Select on Shakuras ( obviously ) during one of the Shoutcraft invitational ( the TotalBiscuit's Tournament ) It's quite old now tho, like a few month. But he defended the rush after the bunkers got up, and without losing the hatchery.
YES!!!! This is the greatest news. Morrow is awesome! I remember staying up all night on the final night of the TSL2 ladder, where Morrow tried to get more points than Idra. Fun times.
On December 03 2011 09:18 WackaAlpaca wrote: Morrow is easily my most hated player - match picking makes me rage hardcore. But gl anyway - always good to see a foreigner try.
just for the love of god be a man and choose a single race (or random).
Wait what? Everybody has to learn 3 match-ups, MorroW has stated several time that he doesn't play a race, he plays a match-up. I just can't understand what the problem would be? It's not like you get an advantage/disadvantage in any way.. It's exactly the same Oo
Morrow is easily one of my most loved players. I don't what it is aobut Morrow but he is like a quiet assasin. Quietly owning everyone in Europe yet he flys under the radar. Nobody really thinks top zergs in Europe and has Morrow on the top of their list. But he can easily beat the best in europe no problem and is a player I think once practiced in Korea can destroy Code S and win a GSL easily.
On December 04 2011 01:54 masterbreti wrote: Morrow is easily one of my most loved players. I don't what it is aobut Morrow but he is like a quiet assasin. Quietly owning everyone in Europe yet he flys under the radar. Nobody really thinks top zergs in Europe and has Morrow on the top of their list. But he can easily beat the best in europe no problem and is a player I think once practiced in Korea can destroy Code S and win a GSL easily.
I highly doubt he will win GSL easily, but he's probably Code S material in the future if he decides to stay.
On December 04 2011 23:59 MrGio wrote: Good luck morrow, but this playing terran against zerg is silly.
If he feels more comfortable playing TvZ rather than ZvZ he should keep doing it, if it is what he is used to and good at, Maybe his ZvZ is awful but he understands how to tear apart a Zerg as terran.
This is going to be great for Morrow, a lot of amazing players to practice with in this house. Since he is staying 3 months the improvement should be over 9000!
On December 18 2011 02:24 SoKHo wrote: He is playing Sage right now and is getting absolutely demolished T_T He is going to get so much better in 3 months
Is he allowed to racepick in the GSL? Like if he's up against a Z he can choose T right? Anyway, best of luck to MorroW he's a great player with a great work ethic; I can only see Korea helping his game immensely.
On December 18 2011 02:40 VoirDire wrote: Why have you stopped doing ling/bling zvp? That was orgasmic to watch as a z-player.
im learning to play many styles in zvp^^
On December 18 2011 02:24 SoKHo wrote: He is playing Sage right now and is getting absolutely demolished T_T He is going to get so much better in 3 months
i win alot more vs sage now than since i got here so thats great
GL Morrow! I like the idea of not playing ZvZ ever again I wish I could change race to terran every time I was matched against a zerg on ladder lol. Glad to see Morrow in Korea.
What i would like to know is what morrow does if he gets matched up on the ladder against a zerg? leave immediately? And does this also mean he can never ladder as terran? or does he leave games against protoss and terran?
On December 18 2011 06:43 Surili wrote: What i would like to know is what morrow does if he gets matched up on the ladder against a zerg? leave immediately? And does this also mean he can never ladder as terran? or does he leave games against protoss and terran?
Hope things are going well in korea btw
Well, when he's in Sweden he doesn't ladder at all.
Morrow, I guess your team already done its research, but in any case : Maru will very likely allin you, and most likely will make use of cloaked banshees. Please don't die to this, thanks :p
On January 31 2012 21:40 haXmb wrote: So, imma need some explaining. When did he switch from Zerg to Terran? And is he going to keep playing Tv*??
over a year ago?
he's "always" been a TvZ:er
Eh no, he played ZvZ for quite a long time and I'm pretty sure it wasn't over a year ago he started race picking TvZ. Of course he's played a lot of TvZ before switching to zerg as main race though.
i always loved that ret switched in bw, when facing a zerg. To bad he got rid of this in korea. Would have been so funny to see the both zergs that don't play zvz would meet each other.
On January 31 2012 23:53 eGoRama wrote: I do not think that Gom will accept the race change during the tournament. Not sure though. Anyone has info about this?
I don't even know why this topic is here again. Yes gom is allowing it.
On January 31 2012 23:53 eGoRama wrote: I do not think that Gom will accept the race change during the tournament. Not sure though. Anyone has info about this?
I don't even know why this topic is here again. Yes gom is allowing it.
That wasnt topic but simple question. Thanks for the answer.
On January 31 2012 23:53 eGoRama wrote: I do not think that Gom will accept the race change during the tournament. Not sure though. Anyone has info about this?
I don't even know why this topic is here again. Yes gom is allowing it.
That wasnt topic but simple question. Thanks for the answer.
On November 30 2011 03:14 PaisY wrote:
edit: In case the question would be asked more often, yes MorroW will be playing TvZ instead of ZvZ in GSL.
In the OP it says Morrow will stays around 3 month starting from november, its been 3 month already, is there infos about his return home? is he staying in korea after this gsl ?
On January 31 2012 23:53 eGoRama wrote: I do not think that Gom will accept the race change during the tournament. Not sure though. Anyone has info about this?
I don't even know why this topic is here again. Yes gom is allowing it.
That wasnt topic but simple question. Thanks for the answer.
I know, I say that because other people talk about that in this page, but the case is already closed (and discussed) =) Gom allow it as long as he set the rules beforehand and doesn't change. For his opponents that doesn't change anything as they know what race to practice against. If ever another player did like Morrow and they meet in the GSL, both would have to play their main race. This way it's simple and fair for everyone. (except for Morrow imo who has to train 2 races, but that's his choice)
On January 31 2012 23:53 eGoRama wrote: I do not think that Gom will accept the race change during the tournament. Not sure though. Anyone has info about this?
I don't even know why this topic is here again. Yes gom is allowing it.
That wasnt topic but simple question. Thanks for the answer.
I know, I say that because other people talk about that in this page, but the case is already closed (and discussed) =) Gom allow it as long as he set the rules beforehand and doesn't change. For his opponents that doesn't change anything as they know what race to practice against. If ever another player did like Morrow and they meet in the GSL, both would have to play their main race. This way it's simple and fair for everyone. (except for Morrow imo who has to train 2 races, but that's his choice)
I understand that just I couldn''t load previous pages from this topic so I decided to ask fast Anyways sry for the trouble
Morrow is definitely a very talented player, and he has really improved so far from what i've seen. I believe that we will hear a lot of him in the future
On February 01 2012 00:14 Jodzog wrote: In the OP it says Morrow will stays around 3 month starting from november, its been 3 month already, is there infos about his return home? is he staying in korea after this gsl ?
As far as I know he intends to play for the next gsl which mean he must be staying longer. (I'm not 100 % on that though?
On February 01 2012 00:22 naut1c wrote: Morrow is definitely a very talented player, and he has really improved so far from what i've seen. I believe that we will hear a lot of him in the future
*hype off*
When did we not hear a lot from him? Even in the time that he just switched races people were constantly talking about him.
On January 31 2012 23:53 eGoRama wrote: I do not think that Gom will accept the race change during the tournament. Not sure though. Anyone has info about this?
I don't even know why this topic is here again. Yes gom is allowing it.
That wasnt topic but simple question. Thanks for the answer.
On February 01 2012 00:22 naut1c wrote: Morrow is definitely a very talented player, and he has really improved so far from what i've seen. I believe that we will hear a lot of him in the future
*hype off*
When did we not hear a lot from him? Even in the time that he just switched races people were constantly talking about him.
I mean that we will hear MUCH MORE from him, than we already did. And it was a bit quiet for a month or more.
EPT
MorroW arrived last week in Korea to stay for around 3 months. He lives and practices in the progaming house of New Star HoSeo. For now he prepares himself for the upcoming events namely NASL Grand Finals and WCG Grand Finals Busan. Besides that, MorroW receives a spot to participate in the GSL Code A January. 
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