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FoBuLouS
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States570 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 12:06:36
November 22 2011 12:05 GMT
#241
I think it is super important for viewers to know player's names. This is especially true if you ever want to go to watch a real game live and cheer for players. I personally would rather hear people yell Lim Jae Duk Hwaiting~ rather than Nestea Hwaiting~. At least know the full korean names of all the korean players if you are going to watch any type of Starcraft or call yourself even a Starcraft fan. I memorized SO MANY Broodwar full Korean names. It's fine to refer to them in handles from time to time for like discussion and stuff but both should be known.
StrinterN
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark531 Posts
November 22 2011 12:08 GMT
#242
I would go wioth nicknames too! But im pretty sure that they "only" use real names in korea when casting GSL's ? :p
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gammAwolfa
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland213 Posts
November 22 2011 12:14 GMT
#243
using realnames, nicknames both fine.
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two.watup
Profile Joined March 2011
United States371 Posts
November 22 2011 12:17 GMT
#244
A lot of sports use nicknames.

In American Football we call Calvin Johnson "Megatron", Benjarvis Green-Ellis "The Law Firm", Adrian Peterson "AP or ADP", Chris Johnson "CJ2K", there's MJD, DWill, JStew, etc.

People's names are long and all the same. eSports is unique because you can choose what your nickname is, like Ochocinco lol
Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
November 22 2011 12:19 GMT
#245
Do you also find it weird that, for instance, everybody refers to Stefani Germanotta as Lady Gaga instead of her actual name?
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
November 22 2011 12:19 GMT
#246
The OP (and almost everyone in this thread) is confusing nicknames with Battle.net IDs.

Comparing Battle.net IDs in Starcraft 2 and nicknames for normal sports is silly.

You have a better argument if you just talk about Korean SC2 where their real names are used.
snexwang
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia224 Posts
November 22 2011 12:25 GMT
#247
I think it's fine to use both. Besides, the online alias has been a part of the culture for years.

Also, a funny side note: I have "real life" friends who call me "snex" more often than my real name. Basically, my alias has become my nickname... I hope that makes sense.
oZe
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden492 Posts
November 22 2011 12:28 GMT
#248
Unless your parents were acid tripping hippies or hegemony warlords. I bet your _HANDLE_, nick names is something completely different mind you, sounds alot cooler and is easier to remember than your actual name.

You should just be grateful we're not limited to 3 characters anymore, says oZe ;-)

Just to be clear.
A nick name is what your friends call you because your name is to much work to pronounce or because you did something memorable.

A handle is what you chose to be known as in your quest for world domination. A name that is more real and has more meaning than the random label you got before you were or did anything.

Ps. When your favorite band is playing a gig do you ask your friends if they wanna go see Sven Johansson, Roger Smith, Serdar Mammadov, Lee Wáng & Kavitha Chakraborty or just the name of the group?
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 12:35:15
November 22 2011 12:28 GMT
#249
I feel that the handles is more about the show, and real names is more about skills.

If you use handles, then it is because the image of the person is important. You are trying to sell the person not only as a skilled person at what they do, but also the personality, attitude etc. This is what is done in show business, music industry for example has has been pointed out. People in general don't buy (well, download...) lady Gagas songs because they think she is one of the most skilled singers/performers in the world, but because they are attracted to the image (which of course includes the music) she represents.

When using real names, I feel it is a bit more about focusing on the skill and properties of the person him/herself. Like in most "real" sports, politics, research, industry. (steve "FruitDealeR" Jobs? Barack "pE4ceBr1ng3r" Obama? Albert "Einstein" Einstein?)

Pro wrestling i think is very good illustration of this distinctions, the "sport" that is more about show than personal skill, thus using made up handles. Another example is actors, that are known under their real names, as they are recognized as the best actors in the world rather than representing an image. Another example is opera, where again the singers are known under real names, as they are know as the best in the world at what they do, which is not the case in popular music.

Also note that "earned nicknames" can be applied even in skill-based context, and is normally accepted, but then you have to really earn it.

So in the end, I think it is a matter of how we want to sell e-sports to the outside world. If we want to sell it as the best players in the world doing what they do best, then I feel real names is better communicating that. If we want to sell starcraft as a really cool show with personalities battling it out, then handles are fine.

Me personally would prefer to see sc2 sold as skilled individuals, thus using real names, but I can perfectly well see how handles can be argued for. Also, if a switch is to be made, then it would have to be gradual, through Greg "Idra" Fields, and maybe only with new appearing players start using only their last name to identify them.

edit: using "handle" and "nickname" as clarified in above post.
clownzim
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil267 Posts
November 22 2011 12:29 GMT
#250
internet is place for nicknames not real names.... e-sports come from internet so basically u have to use nicknames.
and by the way when e-sports scene started to develop around the world most of caster had no idea of players real names. so they had to go for nicknames player was using and people just got used to it. simply as that.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2WeaK
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada550 Posts
November 22 2011 12:31 GMT
#251
I prefer real names.
People make it out to be such a big deal to remember the names... Kind of like first day in high school, where all the people you knew might not be there and you'll have to do a few years with people you've never meet before... You're going to remember their name once you hear it enough times, just like the nicknames.
Real names make it sound way more personal than a nickname.
mikiao
Profile Joined May 2010
United States161 Posts
November 22 2011 12:32 GMT
#252
In the top corner we have the US Zerg Greg. And in the bottom 7 o'clock position we have the European Zerg Greg.

Now Greg is sending his overlord to scout Greg. Greg sent his overlord to the wrong corner, this means that Greg is going to get scouting information first and will be able to see that Greg is going pool first.

Would it happen often? Probably not. Would it be annoying when it happens? I think so.

Besides...most people I know that I play online with I call by their handle even if I know their actual names. Hell, people I knew in person before I knew they played, I call by their handle.
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Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
November 22 2011 12:32 GMT
#253
It's what they are known by and easier to remember.
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Tidus Mino
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1108 Posts
November 22 2011 12:36 GMT
#254
On November 22 2011 21:32 mikiao wrote:
In the top corner we have the US Zerg Greg. And in the bottom 7 o'clock position we have the European Zerg Greg.

Now Greg is sending his overlord to scout Greg. Greg sent his overlord to the wrong corner, this means that Greg is going to get scouting information first and will be able to see that Greg is going pool first.

Would it happen often? Probably not. Would it be annoying when it happens? I think so.

Besides...most people I know that I play online with I call by their handle even if I know their actual names. Hell, people I knew in person before I knew they played, I call by their handle.


lol have you ever watched real sports..?

They use their surnames.

Nicknames are an important part of video games and always will be. Pro gamers usually are different to how their pro persona is. When you hear about Fata1ty you think of one of the greatest gamers of all time.. now what about when you hear the name Jonothan Wendel. Doesn't really hold the same kind of value

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MHT
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1026 Posts
November 22 2011 12:39 GMT
#255
I see this as an advantage over traditional sports, there's no way I could even remember a third of the players if they used their real names. And with the koreans it would be just a hopeless situation especially since alot of their names are often the same or very close.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 12:40:46
November 22 2011 12:40 GMT
#256
On November 22 2011 21:32 mikiao wrote:
In the top corner we have the US Zerg Greg. And in the bottom 7 o'clock position we have the European Zerg Greg.

Now Greg is sending his overlord to scout Greg. Greg sent his overlord to the wrong corner, this means that Greg is going to get scouting information first and will be able to see that Greg is going pool first.

Would it happen often? Probably not. Would it be annoying when it happens? I think so.

Besides...most people I know that I play online with I call by their handle even if I know their actual names. Hell, people I knew in person before I knew they played, I call by their handle.


Well, in (european proper) football, and i tihnk most sports, only the last name is used, so it would be "Fields", not "Greg". I've never experienced a problem in football, except when south Korea hosted the world cup, and at a certain point had 6 players out of 11 on the field named "Lee".... >_>

"Lee passing lee, dribbles, back to lee, drops to lee, faking shot, passing lee, lee shoots" Must've been easy on the commentators at least.
Talic_Zealot
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
688 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 12:44:03
November 22 2011 12:40 GMT
#257
This again? You are spending 90% of your time on the internet and in Starcraft and identify yourself with an ID you created. Your real name comes into play when you pay your taxes.. The fans want to see the player, the online persona which is what the players are, not the one who pays taxes. Why should 'real' names be more valid? IF they become famous by both their name and ID, that's perfectly fine, but I see absolutely reason for requiring players to go by their names. Nicknames are also usually more internationally friendly. If anything players should be more responsible with not changing their IDs every monday.
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Skaminator
Profile Joined October 2011
112 Posts
November 22 2011 12:45 GMT
#258
At the beginning of the game casters should introduce the players by real names & nickname, then in-game by nick, and at teh end call the winner by real name and nickname. As simple as that.
Cocacooh
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1510 Posts
November 22 2011 12:46 GMT
#259
Why have one when you can have both?
Ygz
Profile Joined June 2010
England370 Posts
November 22 2011 12:49 GMT
#260
Because that's just the way it is, ingrained in the culture of gaming in the west. Can you imagine how weird it would sound chanting, Chris on stage instead of Huk.

"Chris, Chris, Chris"

Wrong.
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