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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
As ppl mentioned, first round of the tournament. You're allowed to forfeit games, this was just less subtle and a more obvious motive... MASSIVE overreaction imo... Fine about him being banned from the Korean Weekly but thrown out of the Training House and Code S? What the fuck... | ||
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Grettin
42416 Posts
On November 15 2011 23:37 Asha` wrote: I do think there's been a spectacular overreaction though from other parties. Why? Because all i see here is a clear message to everyone. If you get caught, you will get punished for it -- so don't do it. | ||
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ClaytonBigsby
Uganda35 Posts
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On November 15 2011 23:36 Plansix wrote: It does not matter. Throwing a match at the request of you opponent is bad and likely against the rules of any tournament. It is your decision to do so, but by doing so you risk being thrown out of the league. Anyone objecting to them being thrown out is just plain silly. I have no problem with coca being tossed out of the weekly, which is perfectly reasonable. The problem is that he won't be playing in code S anymore because of doing this. This isn't matchfixing, this is an individual choosing not to compete for a match a.k.a. forfeiting, which is his choice. There have been plently of players doing exactly the same thing (IPL groupstage comes to mind). | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
On November 15 2011 23:31 Montana[TK] wrote: hahaha come on Asha, he never wanted to win that g3 when he left g2 at 4base/180 vs 0base/45 supply, you really can't argue that :/ don't comment if you didn't see the matches, he played straight up and it seemed like they were just screwing around, I didn't think anything of it until I got to read this thread lol. It's ridiculous because there was no harm done to anyone else in the tourney, first round. | ||
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SeinGalton
South Africa387 Posts
It seems clear that this incident does not spell the end of his career. Coca will return to Code S, and all we can really hope for is that he will do wearing the SlayerS jersey. | ||
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
On November 15 2011 23:39 Grettin wrote: Why? Because all i see here is a clear message to everyone. If you get caught, you will get punished for it -- so don't do it. You can get that message across without kicking him out of Code S(or forcing him to forfeit) and out of the team house and forbidding him to enter any tournaments in the near future. That he is not allowed to enter future ESV tournaments is a logical consequence, maybe some inhouse punishment aswell, but all those things together is way too much. Coca is 17, you do stupid things at that age. I don't want to defend him, what he he did was utterly stupid, but there is not a reason to make such a big deal out of it imo. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Mr Chae's statements] + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285580¤tpage=4#76 On November 15 2011 13:35 Clefairy wrote: VOD with wtf moment: http://www.twitch.tv/esvision/b/300029464?t=55m00s Mr Chae's official statement: Hello this is Mr Chae. ESV TV is a foreign tournament that formed a partnership with the GSL and awarded players with GSL Nov. Code A seeds. However a partnership has not been confirmed for the GSL's first season of Code A in 2012, and we are still negotiating with ESV TV at the moment (this is because we are gathering feedback from all the teams on the GSL format during this Nov. season so any changes in format for 2012 may not accommodate a partnership). However, even if it is a tournament that does not award GSL Code A seeds, the use of profanities in a broadcast with many viewers and a blatant disregard for competition cannot be ignored by the GSL. We are unable to make a decision on the punishment yet based on only screenshots and the community. Therefore, we will be asking Prime and SlayerS about the situation and what further action should be taken. The consequences that the players will need to face will be announced as soon as possible after the situation has been assessed. Thank you. Source: http://esports.gomtv.com/gsl/community/view.gom?mbid=1&msgid=23901&p=1 Mr Chae's unofficial statement: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/X4OHM.jpg) Control your brains as well. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285580¤tpage=7#134 On November 15 2011 13:43 Tanatos wrote: Full translation 슬레이어스가 ESV TV 코리안 위클리 시즌4 ‘고의 패배’ 사건에 대해 공식 사과하고 최종환을 집으로 돌려보냈다. Team SlayerS apologize about what happen to Coca's 'match fixing' during the ESV TV Korean Weekly S4 and send Coca back to home. 슬레이어스 김가연 게임단주는 “슬레이어스에 소속된 선수가 온라인 대회에서 고의 패배로 물의를 일으켜 죄송하다”고 말한 뒤 “이번 사건은 대회의 규모나 경기의 중요도에 관계없이 e스포츠 팬들에게 오해를 줄 수 있는 명백한 실수다. 팀 소속 선수에 대한 관리가 부족했던 것을 반성하고, 앞으로는 절대로 이런 일이 재발하지 않도록 노력하겠다”고 말했다. Manager SlayerSJessica said, "I am sorry about what happen to one of SlayerS member during the online tournament." "This is complete mistake from us to e-sports fans to cause misundertanding with no matter of importance nor size of tournament. I regret about reckless management and I will work hard to prevent such an incident ever again." 임요환 역시 “과거 승부조작 파문이 어떤 결과를 초래했는지 모두 알고 있다. 비록 온라인에서 진행된 일이라고 할지라도 선수로서 절대 해선 안될 일을 저지른 것”이라고 말한 뒤 “팀의 맏형으로서 사과 드리고, 이번 사건이 얼마나 나쁜 일인지 선수들에게 인지시키고 더 멋진 경기를 보여드릴 수 있도록 노력하겠다”고 덧붙였다. Boxer also said, "We all know what result match fix scandal has caused. Even in online tournament, this is a non-exceptable matter as progamer." "I apologize as big brother of the team, and I will remind how terrible it is to other players, and we will work hard to show you better games." 슬레이어스는 이번 사건의 책임을 물어 최종환을 2군으로 강등시키고 집으로 귀가 시켰다. 또한, 자숙과 반성의 의미로 앞으로 펼쳐지는 국내외 모든 스타2 대회에 최종환을 출전시키지 않는다고 말했다. 슬레이어스의 이번 징계는 무기한 조치이며, 최종환이 대회에 출전할 수 있는 상황이 됐다고 판단했을 때 복귀할 수 있다. SlayerS asked responsiblity of this incident to Coca and place him to B team and set him home. Also, by the meaning of self-reflect, SlayerS will ban Coca to any Starcraft 2 matches inside of Korea and rest of the world. This decision is for an indefinite period, and Coca will be back to SC2 when he is ready. 사건의 당사자인 최종환은 반성의 의미로 소니에릭슨 GSL 시즌7 코드S를 기권했다. 최종환은 이번 사건의 책임을 통감하고 스스로 코드S 잔여경기 출전을 포기하고 자숙하기로 결정했다. 이에 따라 최종환은 오는 16일 열리는 소니에릭슨 GSL 시즌7 코드S 16강 C조 경기에 출전하지 않는다. Coca has forfeit the GSL Nov. Code S for meaning of self-reflect. Coca himself has felt responsible to this incident and forfeit the rest of matches. So, Coca will not be on GSL Code S RO16 Group C match on 16th. 한편, 곰TV는 커뮤니티 공지를 통해 이번 사건에 대한 공식입장을 발표했다. 채정원 팀장은 ESV TV와 GSL의 연계와 관련된 내용을 설명하고, 공식적인 확인 절차가 끝난 뒤 선수들에 대한 징계나 처벌에 대해 공식 발표하겠다고 밝혔다. GomTV has announced their official comment on community board. Mr. Chae has explained relationship between ESV TV and GSL. After their official comfirmation, discipline action on players will be announced. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285580¤tpage=40#790 On November 15 2011 16:11 anrimayu wrote: Here's the chat log in question. I omitted parts that are irrelevant. 1:00 C: i'll let you win B: fuck off. 3:48 B: fuck, you said you'll let me win C: I have to practice, there's 3 Ts in my group ... C: I'm here just because I don't have other Ts to practice B: Next opponent is P, so just forfeit B: Where's your teams T? C: G-star event 26:20, Coca at 150pop 4 mining bases to Byun's 45pop 0 mining base B: fuck, get out, fuck fuck C: I forfeit B: let's do game 3 too C: gg *leaves the game Also clarification: Coca and Byun are really good friends, and known for somewhat playful character in events. | ||
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Feito
United States65 Posts
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MuK_x
743 Posts
sigh... | ||
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Montana[TK]
1624 Posts
On November 15 2011 23:43 Badfatpanda wrote: don't comment if you didn't see the matches, he played straight up and it seemed like they were just screwing around, I didn't think anything of it until I got to read this thread lol. It's ridiculous because there was no harm done to anyone else in the tourney, first round. i don't need to see the matches, he clearly went out of his way and publicly announced his will to _not win_ a series by leaving that g2 when he had the whole thing won. There's nothing more to discuss, this is a textbook example of match-fixing and they both should've been smarter than to do what they did. | ||
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Strydor
Singapore95 Posts
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
On November 15 2011 23:29 Asha` wrote: It's not a qualifier. No one else got eliminated by Coca. It was the first round of the tournament. There's no money for anyone outside the top 4. I didn't know that it was the first round. My points are still valid. There was money on the line in the end, and it was a qualifier : if i'm not mistaken, there is a code A spot. (Turn out that there was no coda A spot on the line either, my bad. I can't read Korean ><') And no matter what, it is still not fair. Coca would not have done that for a random guy. I do think that the punishement is too harsh, but a punishement is needed. They are professional, they just can't do that at all, no matter what. It's just silly. Edit : It was indeed blatant match fixing. It's worse than I thought. Look like it was planned. "1:00 C: i'll let you win B: fuck off. 3:48 B: fuck, you said you'll let me win C: I have to practice, there's 3 Ts in my group ... C: I'm here just because I don't have other Ts to practice B: Next opponent is P, so just forfeit B: Where's your teams T? C: G-star event 26:20, Coca at 150pop 4 mining bases to Byun's 45pop 0 mining base B: fuck, get out, fuck fuck C: I forfeit B: let's do game 3 too C: gg *leaves the game" | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
On November 15 2011 13:26 Mordiford wrote: Wait, what ESL controversy, I can't exactly read the source either. More information please. its ESV not esl omg thats just kinda ridiculous lol that was just so silly by coca to do that since he was a very promising code S zerg and he just ruined it all he will fight his way back when time has come though im sure | ||
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purecarnagge
719 Posts
Its pretty obvious he wasn't fixing for $$$. He just wanted some games. | ||
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gwixter
Slovakia336 Posts
how is this different from stephano vs bratok match? (except at assembly those two didn't talk about it openly in chat) | ||
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slicknav
1409 Posts
On November 15 2011 23:50 Strydor wrote: What, am I the only one thinking they were punished fairly like the professional gamers that they are? You're not. All sports are like this; hockey, football, baseball, basketball, ect... When players show blatant disregard for competition and don't live up to the standards of their respective teams, they are punished. Coca and Byun deserve what happened to them. | ||
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
People in here are just bandwagoning. | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
 poor coca | ||
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