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Daniel C
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong1606 Posts
November 17 2011 13:26 GMT
#801
On November 17 2011 21:57 Shel wrote:
Um, sorry guys, but stepping on cables does cause lag, if you use certain cables. I was an IT guy for 8 years or so, and one of the things I learned is that there are two kinds of cables, rigid ones and flexible ones. You put rigid ones in walls, or in the ceiling or what have you. You put the flexible ones anywhere they may come into contact with human beings. The rigid ones are cheaper, so, trying to save my employer some money, I purchased a spool of them. Probably once a month I had to replace a broken cable. The rigid versus flexible has to do with the wires inside the cable. When you step on them, or roll over them with an office chair, they crack. There's 8 wires in there, and you only need...I think it's between 3 and 5, I can't remember, for the cable to function. So as more and more wires are broken from extended contact with humans, the cable becomes less and less useful, until it craps out completely. I'm not saying that's what actually happened, but it's a real thing, I promise. And the stream did go faster on day 2, so maybe they just fixed the cable? I don't know.

About the interview, I was disappointed. Not only by the softball questions, but by Gus' dodging the ones that weren't softballs. She asked about the HoN tournament and he just said there wasn't time. Ok, well the follow up to that is "so where's the 2000 dollars?" but we didn't hear that asked. And, realistically, if she had asked things like that, he probably would have just hung up the phone. Still would have been nice to have her ask though.

And for those saying he's just incompetent and got in over his head, I have to disagree. Simply because there were 5 people he was supposed to send, and he told them up until two days before the event that he was sending them, and he didn't. Because he took YYJ's spot and gave it to Syckness after trying to give it to Moonglade. And, most importantly, because he asked Amanda and Clive to secure debt that, according to what he said on the show, he already knew he couldn't pay for. He willingly put Amanda and Clive on the wrong end of the law, knowing exactly what the consequences to both of them would be. If not for this community and IPL, Amanda would be in a world of hurt right now, cause you know Gus wouldn't have the money by the 21st. And then you add in all the things he's said in the various transcripts you can find in the various threads about this debacle, and it paints a very clear picture of an arrogant, selfish narcicist who cared more about hobnobbing with the SC2 celebs then about creating a brilliant event. And he cared more about pushing HIS league and HIS clan to the forefront then he did about the SEA scene as a whole. He is simply a poor excuse for a person, all the way around.

Very well said.
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
November 17 2011 15:38 GMT
#802
Shel you really did nail it my friend... That was brilliant.
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Xalorian
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada433 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 16:13:17
November 17 2011 16:07 GMT
#803
On November 17 2011 22:26 Daniel C wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 21:57 Shel wrote:
Um, sorry guys, but stepping on cables does cause lag, if you use certain cables. I was an IT guy for 8 years or so, and one of the things I learned is that there are two kinds of cables, rigid ones and flexible ones. You put rigid ones in walls, or in the ceiling or what have you. You put the flexible ones anywhere they may come into contact with human beings. The rigid ones are cheaper, so, trying to save my employer some money, I purchased a spool of them. Probably once a month I had to replace a broken cable. The rigid versus flexible has to do with the wires inside the cable. When you step on them, or roll over them with an office chair, they crack. There's 8 wires in there, and you only need...I think it's between 3 and 5, I can't remember, for the cable to function. So as more and more wires are broken from extended contact with humans, the cable becomes less and less useful, until it craps out completely. I'm not saying that's what actually happened, but it's a real thing, I promise. And the stream did go faster on day 2, so maybe they just fixed the cable? I don't know.

About the interview, I was disappointed. Not only by the softball questions, but by Gus' dodging the ones that weren't softballs. She asked about the HoN tournament and he just said there wasn't time. Ok, well the follow up to that is "so where's the 2000 dollars?" but we didn't hear that asked. And, realistically, if she had asked things like that, he probably would have just hung up the phone. Still would have been nice to have her ask though.

And for those saying he's just incompetent and got in over his head, I have to disagree. Simply because there were 5 people he was supposed to send, and he told them up until two days before the event that he was sending them, and he didn't. Because he took YYJ's spot and gave it to Syckness after trying to give it to Moonglade. And, most importantly, because he asked Amanda and Clive to secure debt that, according to what he said on the show, he already knew he couldn't pay for. He willingly put Amanda and Clive on the wrong end of the law, knowing exactly what the consequences to both of them would be. If not for this community and IPL, Amanda would be in a world of hurt right now, cause you know Gus wouldn't have the money by the 21st. And then you add in all the things he's said in the various transcripts you can find in the various threads about this debacle, and it paints a very clear picture of an arrogant, selfish narcicist who cared more about hobnobbing with the SC2 celebs then about creating a brilliant event. And he cared more about pushing HIS league and HIS clan to the forefront then he did about the SEA scene as a whole. He is simply a poor excuse for a person, all the way around.

Very well said.


I'm an IT technician, I have a diploma in Network Administration, and my cisco CCNA certificate. I work full time as an IT Technician and a Network manager.

There's two types of RJ-45 cables, like you said, rigid and flexible. Nowaday, RJ-45 cable are so cheap (check on monoprice.com, for example.) that it's almost impossible to buy "rigid" one, at least here in Canada. You can buy a 100 FT cable for like 10$. And, EVEN if it was actually some old rigid cable, stepping on them is no problem, bending them is the issue. The "litte copper wire" in them are really resistant to pressure and shock, they are just so solid and rigit, that they can't be bend. And if you bend them, they broke, and the cable is just not working at all anymore. And yes, an office chair rolling on a copper cable could cut it, but then the cable would just not work at all (and that's probably why you were replacing them) it would not cause lag.

And, for god sake, if they really used some old rigit copper RJ-45 on the ground where people could bend/step on them, they are just retarded or fully ignorant.

Seriously, it's the worst excuse I ever heard about network lag, ever.

Well... after the "Light was too strong on the fiber" one that an old IT told me...
HackBenjamin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1094 Posts
November 17 2011 17:07 GMT
#804
After sitting back and waiting for a response from Gus, and finally getting something on CSN, I am sincerely dissapointed.

I understand that Seltzer (where did you get that name by the way?) had to use "kid-gloves" or not get an interview at all, but this guy needs to answer some hard questions.

Regardless of this situation, the important thing is to not have a scandal of this magnitude happen again.

It seems like nobody wants a Kespa type organization looking over everyones shoulders, but realistically, isn't it necessary? At what point do we say "SC2 esports has grown to the point where we need a global organization to make sure this all runs smoothly" ?
MasterVelVet
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium132 Posts
November 17 2011 17:14 GMT
#805
sorry but as a business owner myself:
"we didn't have enough time to make the necessary preparations in coordinating the logistics and various minor details"
is simply unforgivable, and just points to a lack of commitment or organizational skills.
Kamikiri
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1319 Posts
November 17 2011 17:37 GMT
#806
After waiting so long to hear from this douche bag none of the major questions got answered. Just some guy coming out and acting like an arrogant selfish person.

P.S where is that idiot from AZK who said when gus came out and explained everything the entire teamliquid community would be shown to look like ignorant scrubs?
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
November 17 2011 17:43 GMT
#807
Guys, the real message of that interview was hidden! I think all the "uhhs" and "umms" were morse code! QUICK! SOMEONE DECODE!
#2throwed
MileyCyrus
Profile Joined August 2010
United States285 Posts
November 17 2011 17:43 GMT
#808
Dear Gus,

Provide receipts/bank statements of how and where you overspent, and i will fully evaluate my stance on how you "overspent"
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Kamikiri
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1319 Posts
November 17 2011 17:45 GMT
#809
On November 18 2011 02:43 MileyCyrus wrote:
Dear Gus,

Provide receipts/bank statements of how and where you overspent, and i will fully evaluate my stance on how you "overspent"


"Overspent" means you pocketed the money and said fudge you to everyone else. Its a hidden meaning, duh.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
November 17 2011 18:54 GMT
#810
On November 18 2011 02:37 Kamikiri wrote:

P.S where is that idiot from AZK who said when gus came out and explained everything the entire teamliquid community would be shown to look like ignorant scrubs?


You might wanna read this..

AZKZiek is currently on the stream chat claiming that Dox is lying without actually saying what exactly he thinks Dox is lying about.

EDIT: He's also insulting just about everyone on the stream chat.

"azkziek: that amanda thing was awesome, we got to pocket an extra 5K... bahamas here we come !"

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=256973&currentpage=5#85
Never GG MKP | IdrA
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
November 17 2011 19:34 GMT
#811
I liked what was stated in SOTG to Artosis. we cannot judge the Phillipine esports community for the actions of one Gus
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Shel
Profile Joined December 2010
United States104 Posts
November 17 2011 20:56 GMT
#812
From what I've heard, the only people that believe this will hurt the SEA scene is people from SEA. They're worried about their ability to get sponsors.

On the cord thing, I have no idea what's out there now. I bought that spool maybe 12 years ago, and it was just when cat 3 or cat 4 came out, so it had that "new tech" price. But I do know that just because one wire breaks, doesn't mean they all do. I can't really say for sure that a few wires breaking causes lag. My thinking was that if a network card has one less wire then it needs, that the packets will travel over the 3 wires causing lag when the card tries to find a fourth wire. Or that, possibly, a split wire will transfer data across the space between wires. Maybe they have partial contact or something. But, like I said, I have no idea if any of that is possible or not.
There is no spoon
whatwhatanut
Profile Joined December 2010
United States195 Posts
November 17 2011 21:20 GMT
#813
On November 18 2011 05:56 Shel wrote:
Maybe they have partial contact or something. But, like I said, I have no idea if any of that is possible or not.


Then why would you use it as a clarification of a misguided statement?
Gintox
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom33 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 21:42:25
November 17 2011 21:41 GMT
#814
I kinda feel sorry for the guy. There is no way that hes gona gain back the communities favour in a long time. He fucked up too bad :/
...yes i admit it...i code while i poop...
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
November 17 2011 21:46 GMT
#815
On November 18 2011 06:41 Gintox wrote:
I kinda feel sorry for the guy. There is no way that hes gona gain back the communities favour in a long time. He fucked up too bad :/


Why on earth would you feel sorry for someone who digs their own grave, hops into it, and then adamantly refuses to get out of it when we ask him to?!

We have given him SO many chances to apologize. There is no redemption for him at this point.
#2throwed
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
November 17 2011 21:52 GMT
#816
On November 18 2011 06:41 Gintox wrote:
I kinda feel sorry for the guy. There is no way that hes gona gain back the communities favour in a long time. He fucked up too bad :/

Just think that if he would get an ESPORTS deal or job, someone else who is perhaps honest and with good reputation would be missing out on that same job. Even if no one discriminates against Gus, there naturally is no place for Gus for any deal where there are multiple candidates.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
November 17 2011 21:53 GMT
#817
On November 18 2011 06:41 Gintox wrote:
I kinda feel sorry for the guy. There is no way that hes gona gain back the communities favour in a long time. He fucked up too bad :/


Lol he just scammed and screwed a lot of people and you feel ' sorry ' for him ? xDD
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TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 22:20:12
November 17 2011 22:14 GMT
#818
On November 17 2011 21:57 Shel wrote:
Um, sorry guys, but stepping on cables does cause lag, if you use certain cables. I was an IT guy for 8 years or so, and one of the things I learned is that there are two kinds of cables, rigid ones and flexible ones. You put rigid ones in walls, or in the ceiling or what have you. You put the flexible ones anywhere they may come into contact with human beings. The rigid ones are cheaper, so, trying to save my employer some money, I purchased a spool of them. Probably once a month I had to replace a broken cable. The rigid versus flexible has to do with the wires inside the cable. When you step on them, or roll over them with an office chair, they crack. There's 8 wires in there, and you only need...I think it's between 3 and 5, I can't remember, for the cable to function. So as more and more wires are broken from extended contact with humans, the cable becomes less and less useful, until it craps out completely. I'm not saying that's what actually happened, but it's a real thing, I promise. And the stream did go faster on day 2, so maybe they just fixed the cable? I don't know.



This is completely and utterly incorrect.

Please read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100BASE-TX#100BASE-TX

Also note that Cat 5e cable uses 24 gauge copper wire that typically, to quote wikipedia, "can be bent at any radius exceeding approximately four times the diameter of the cables". It's not easy to break.

If they had Cat5 cables running at lengths greater than 100 feet then they may have run into trouble, but otherwise this had nothing to do with it.

And you are referring to the difference between stranded and solid wiring within the cat 5 cables. Solid ones can be used everywhere if need be, I've never heard of anyone breaking the wires inside.
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
Attri
Profile Joined October 2010
United States63 Posts
November 17 2011 23:41 GMT
#819
I can eat a can of alphabet soup and shit out a better apology statement than that. dispicable to the esports scene.
shake and bake!
Carbonthief
Profile Joined October 2010
United States289 Posts
November 18 2011 03:42 GMT
#820
I like (actually disliked) how when asked a simple yes or no question, he completely ignored it, refused to answer it, and started rambling off excuses.

Question: Did you have a detailed financial plan going into this?
Answer: We ran out of money.

Ok, but did you have a plan or not motherfucker? We KNOW the money ran out, we want to know why and how! Did you just haphazardly seek sponsor money and hope that it would cover everything? Or did you actually have a planned delegation of funds, and things occurred that disallowed you to follow this plan?

The answer of course is, NO, he didn't have a detailed financial plan going into this. Zero math was done ahead of time to see if the event could actually be paid for. But he'll refuse to admit it, and instead continue to rattle off the same old tired line of "we ran out of money" without ever explaining why they ran out of money.
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