First and foremost, the PPSL would like to formally apologise to everyone (IGN, our sponsors, the players, organisers, special guests and the viewers) who were involved with the IPL4 Pacific Qualifiers. The PPSL takes full responsibility for the way everything has unfolded, and would like to make it clear that it was no one else's fault but ours.
As most people already know, the event has suffered several technical difficulties throughout the last couple of days. A lot of the players were experiencing both internet latency issues, aswell as computer lag issues. Even with our continual efforts to bring the specifications of the computers, as well as the stream quality up to an excellent playable/viewable experience, we were unable to provide what everyone deserved, and for that, we are truly sorry.
We would now like to clarify a few things that many people have asked about concerning individuals not being able to attend the event.
As most people know, the event has suffered from management problems that we are responsible for and am trying to deal with accordingly. I apologise if this has angered the e-sports communities, that have been affected by this.
First is YoJun "YoonYJ" Yun, who recently participated in the Australian Qualifier, hosted by Derek "Dox" Reball. He was unable to secure 1st or 2nd place, and as such was initially unable to attend. Another player, who qualified, had to step down for personal reasons. YoJun was considered as the replacement to attend the event alongside David "arcMSIRossi" Rossi. However, there were a few complications associated with funding (not IPL's fault), and subsequently, I was unable to send him to the event. For that, we deeply apologize and wish YoJun the best in his future endeavors. He will be compensated for flights and accommodations in the future; I have spoken with YoonYJ personally, apologised and have put past the problems between us. He has accepted my apology, and has agreed to help resurrect this situation. I would also like to apologize to Derek "Dox" Reball for any misunderstandings that may have happened with the Australian Leg of the Qualifiers; he is an excellent events/tournament organizer and should be given attention for his passion for e-sports.
There has also been talk about other tournaments not releasing their cash prizes on time; I would like to reassure everyone that the cash prizes were given out to all the winners of the tournament as soon as the tournament ended.
To the members of Team Cube, we apologize for not being able to fly your players over to the event; I feel bad about you guys not being here; in the future we will try our utmost best to invite you to events as compensation for your team not being represented at the event.
To the Players for the HONslaught event; I would like to apologize for not being able to accommodate you guys during the IPL 4 Pacific Qualifier event; our sponsors (S2 Games) have decided to postpone the tournament to a later date.
We would also like to personally thank the following people for their ongoing assistance and support at the event.
- "TorcH"(Ops Manager) - "SeltzerPlease" (Host) - Allyn (Host) - "Artosis" (Caster) - "Tasteless" (Caster) - "CheekyDuck" (Caster) - "LiviBee" (Caster) - "The GunRun" (Stream Support) - KTgameone (Stream Support) - All of our sponsors and partners
and last but not the least
- Staff and Crew from the PPSL and Team AZK
We would also like to thank all of our sponsors for providing us the necessary resources, as well as IGN for their support they have given us during this event.
There were plans to make this event go smoothly as possible; however we didn't have enough time to make the necessary preparations in coordinating the logistics and various minor details. As some may say, little things add up to big things, and we had failed to consider that in our judgment. We shall take this as an invaluable learning experience and we hope to do much better in the future. We shall take every possible bit of expertise this and improve as a team.
The audience here in the Philippines did seem to enjoy the show and we hope to bring more of the same kind of experience to them in the future. As far as promoting StarCraft II in this country is concerned, we feel that we somehow succeeded in that aspect and showed local audiences how exciting this wonderful game truly is. May this be the spark that lights the fire for StarCraft II here in the Philippines so that others can do much better than we did.
Our intention was to provide a wonderful experience, and we understand that we had failed to provide the superior level of quality that IGN, the viewers, the sponsors, and the players deserved. We are sincerely sorry for the way these issues have popped up at this event and i know for a fact that all the major tournaments experienced some of the issues that we experienced as well.
I hope that this clears some of the confusion that has been going around.
You basically don't answer any of the community concerns and give a very vague apology.
What happened to the HoN prizes? Why exactly didn't you have the funds to send Yoon? Why did you LIE about IPL not giving you the funds? How are you paying back the guy who booked rooms for you? Why didn't you do a better job of providing and guaranteeing stable internet? Are you even paying the guy who set up the stream for you?
You didn't clear up anything, you just stated what happened and said "sorry, we will do better next time". Should have saved your words, since this thread is just going to turn into a mess. I'll move it to the proper section for you though.
On November 09 2011 12:29 TheGunrun wrote: I'm here with the Amanda (travel desk for AZK) and Clive (assistent manager for AZK), in the hotel right now. Clive was asked to sign for the hotels, Amanda was the travel agent who issued the tickets for most of the talent and players. Amanda post paid for the tickets with the agency, if Gus doens't pay her the agency can run after her and put her in jail. Clive's hotel debt is 37,000 Pesos ($900~) & Amanda's agency debt is 516,000 Pesos. ($12,000~)
Gus is not appearing nor answering.
Clive is stuck here in the hotel till we get this solved today.
How about settling your $12,900 bill instead of typing out your fake insincere apology.
How about you pay Yoon and Dox for the contract you broke? How about out of your own pocket if you're so remorseful? I'll answer for you; cause you're not. Come to SC2sea and and answer for your crimes (breaking contract = breaking law = criminal) instead of just logging to name drop in our chat box.
GUYS New Updates i just found a Message from the Thread that YJY Stared Involving the Fiasco apparently someone Close to AZK Team posted a message on the Fiasco
This is a message from a close friend of some of the players of AZK who feel ashamed that Gus has done such atrocities and feel ashamed and sad because they are shown in bad light to many (the world Especially their Team name AZK) because of what Gus had done and what has transpired. Please do not hate the Players it appears many of the Players had no idea what had transpired and feel ashamed and upset about the fiasco that has happened.
=================================================================== "Dear SEA Community
I'd like to bring forward a couple of things concerning this situation and the criticism received.
First off, I am not speaking on behalf of any of the AZK team members or management. I know some of their clan members personally and I am friends with them, and have been talking to them about recent events.
They are all in distress. Many of the clan members had no idea about the scams, shame and controversial acts that took place behind their backs. Many of their members expected that of which was told to them, a tournament consisting of the best SEA players paired with some top pro Koreans. They had no idea about what AZK's management did to achieve such a goal as well...
Although what really shook me up while talking to one of them was his concern with the reputation of the players of AZK themselves. Almost none of the members of the team actually were aware of the events their manager Gus had been involved in, and what so called treachery he had committed towards the entire Starcraft 2 community. All they did was look up to him to provide for the team in hopes of becoming a well known and respected clan in SEA. Then when this happens, and suddenly the world turns against Team AZK, they feel extremely distressed not only because such a reputation has been given to the team, but the players feel that they are being blamed as well. Because the scams and such are depicted as 'Team AZK's' fault, or further flame such as 'Team AZK is a terrible team', the players feel as if they are being blamed for the entirety of the scams, and worst of all, some players are starting to believe that it is their fault as well, and as such, are questioning team commitments and total separation.
Now I am aware that some AZK members aren't on the top of the list of the friendliest Starcraft 2 players, but i know a handful of them, and they are extremely nice and friendly people, who are now shook up and lost entirely given the present situation. The players just did as their management told them to, and up until the current events, thought that the management was doing nothing wrong.
The players are also extremely sorry about your situation YoonYJ, and I know one of them that was even extremely eager to meet you. They had no idea about that such a breach, and they all feel betrayed and lost, and they all hope that they will still have a place in the Starcraft 2 SEA scene.
So I do ask you of the SEA community, a community of understanding, to just be aware of this, and maybe construct your posts with these facts in consideration.
I do feel what AZK management did was unacceptable and requires a formal apology if any condolences are to be made, but lets keep our fingers pointed toward them/him and maybe not towards the players themselves.
I post this not as an official statement from the team, nor as one of their members. I post this as a close friend of a couple of the AZK members, and do as for your consideration."
"I've been hearing shit from other people inside his team and out" "That he never wanted to fly(me) in the first place" "but when i spoke to him he gave me his word" "yeah but im going to be very smart about this" "i want the sponsors to see bad publicity"
Immediately after YJY says that Gus AKA (AZK WitchDoc) says "GL with that"
The Employees of the Event; Story on what Gus AKA (AZK WitchDoc) Did to them and how he treated them as employees while managing the Event PPSL.
On November 09 2011 01:29 ZenDeX wrote: "add to this, even the staff of AZK felt that we got scammed, Gus who we think has all the funds for this event, and the one who promised us that he will pay us, didn't pay us at all.
It's so sad that we the staff, did our best to make things work out, and the spotlight for hate is turned to us.
On the first day of the event, Gus was nowhere to be found. He arrived late on the event. And it was a great thing Torch was there. I am a staff member, but I would like to speak on behalf of the staff members, who didn't even got the chance to EAT (since he didn't give a fuck if we ate or not) or got even paid as promised.
this is really disappointing and sad.. pointing all the blame to team azk, without knowing what really was happening even between the members and Gus. It is unfair to tell everyone here that the leaders just disappeared,its not fair to judge everything by what you see without even knowing what really happen, THEY DIDN'T DISAPPEAR. They went out to look for a computer cafe with (2 group brackets--8players) so that they could finish all the games in TIME (since there is really nothing good if they wait until the computer/internet's fixed).
And about the HoN tournament, we were asking for Gus's Decision whether we push through the tournament, but he insisted NO. being his staff members, we follow his orders since we are just merely staff members. With this incident, we sincerely apologize, we can't do anything about it even if we wanted to make it happen, GUS wouldn't allow us, he just insisted NO and that we should push through the SC2 Tournament.
We, his own staff members also feel that we got scammed for not being paid (or even given the budget for food and drinks the least) and on behalf of my team, we are really frustrated, tired and disappointed at his leadership. When he arrived late at the venue, he doesn't seem to be on the right mind to lead us.
So on behalf of our staff team, we are very sorry to provide you a lack-luster tournament. Thank you to those people who stepped up and lead the way, and we are very thankful to have Torch on our team that time. Even us staff members are puzzled and looking for answers to what the fuck happen to the funds, I see a lot of things, heard a lot of things, UNNECESSARY THINGS that he has been spending on. /rantoff"
I may not be the most versed in the whole situation and I may not be the most knowledgeable of everything that happened behind the scenes but nothing of what you said addresses any of the major issues involving you and the tournament you ran.
I would hope you can clarify some of the glaring problems in any future posts but with what you have written and what has come to light about your involvement, you had best come up with a somewhat more poignant post.
Yeah this message hasn't actually solved any issues to be honest, especially with the new ones cropping up yesterday and today about payment issues and poor organization.
Its 900usd for the hotel, 12k usd for the airfare of the people that were flown in.
He didn't even mention what happened with Honslaught event and what happened to the players that flew in to participate, why he arrived at 3pm on day1 of his event? Why he had the nerve to even attend the AFTER PARTY of the event he almost drove to the ground by doing what he did.
Time was something you seem to have always had but you never really used it properly to put this event in order so that's just a freaking excuse.
so here's the bill from what I understand of the situation
-$12900 USD for hotel costs and flight costs -Compensation for broken contract to Dox and possibly other contracts -Prize money for players -Wages for staff
question: is gambling allowed in the Philippines? Also, are there casinos there?
Otherwise, where the hell did the money disappear to?!
Lol are these allegations about 12k being owed to the travel agency for real? If so just fucking wow. Did you just gamble away all that money or what? If you wanna apologize then step up to the plate and start paying people what they are owed.
On November 09 2011 12:43 Williammm wrote: so here's the bill from what I understand of the situation
-$12900 USD for hotel costs and flight costs -Compensation for broken contract to Dox and possibly other contracts -Prize money for players -Wages for staff
question: is gambling allowed in the Philippines? Also, are there casinos there?
Otherwise, where the hell did the money disappear to?!
On November 09 2011 12:43 Williammm wrote: so here's the bill from what I understand of the situation
-$12900 USD for hotel costs and flight costs -Compensation for broken contract to Dox and possibly other contracts -Prize money for players -Wages for staff
question: is gambling allowed in the Philippines? Also, are there casinos there?
Otherwise, where the hell did the money disappear to?!
Yep there are Casinos here Government run =)
Well shit, someone hunt Gus down at the casinos before all the money is gone!
1. Pay for the hotel fees. 2. Get Yoon and Dox to say that the matter has been settled. Don't apologize and say that it has been settled on their behalves.
Do you really think they community is going to accept it after all the shit that has been thrown about your character?
So YYJ couldn't come as the money went missing, Team cube couldn't come as money went missing, Hon didn't run and the money is unaccounted for, money may of been given to winners, and your staff are still about to be arrested for the hotel rooms and flights? (Also not yet payed)
wow u didnt send cube aswell and you stacked the bracket in your favour ............ why does AZK even have sponsors if there leader is obviously this idiotic and creates this much hate at his team. also hotel bill still needed to paid............. why does this feel fake as anything i wonder hmmmmmmmmmm troll team with a crook as the leader hope you never get to host an event ever again you are a complete disgrace
action>words ok? man this resolves nothing at least pay the bills then apologize and say what exactly went wrong and what will be done to improve this is unacceptable
yo if you have the money, buy me a PC and ill win teh money you owe. give me about 2 years and ill have won the prize money with SC2. thats my offer. id love to go pro but i have no desire to find a job that i dont like to work at. im 23 not 14 so i dont bother with part time shit wages. so let me know!
So YYJ couldn't come as the money went missing, Team cube couldn't come as money went missing, Hon didn't run and the money is unaccounted for, money may of been given to winners, and your staff are still about to be arrested for the hotel rooms and flights? (Also not yet payed)
Making more promises you cannot keep? Promising to compensate 'in the future'. YJ QUALIFIED for the event, he didn't want simply 'considered'. And if you really had funding problems flying YJ, why did you lie to him, saying that you were waiting for money from IPL, and at the same time, fly your own Australian/Korean players and casters to the event. Everything that came out of your mouth so far has been filthy lies, and you taunted YJ for threatening to reveal to the public the scumbag that you are. As much as you 'claim' that Dox and YJ has forgiven you, which probably is a lie too, as you are known for pulling out names out of your ass to seem legit, I don't think the esports community has or will ever forgive you for what you did, and without the us, you are NOTHING.
If anything you should be apologizing to the people on the ground who youve screwed over face to face, such as your other AZK team members, the people who did YOUR job for you, organizing and conducting the tournament.
This is embarrassing and really frustrating to me as a Filipino and as a member of the SC2 community. Please tell me legal action can and will be pursued against this person. Apologies get thrown out so normally in this country. We can't let that happen forever.
Wow AZK are going to need to rebrand themselves after this, I can't imagine sponsors wanting to be stuck supporting the image that Gus has given them. Sucks for the most of the team who seems to have been as unaware of the wrongdoings as we were but perhaps a fresh start with some real management is the best thing to do. A few people have dropped hints that there were some others from AZK involved too, it would be good to separate them from the good guys as well. Hey, knowing Gus, maybe he'll single them out for us to try and save his own skin?
Well then Gus, I hope you understand this post said nothing. There were no funds for YJY? Where did they go because they would have been there for 2nd place winner or even moonglade. Don't have money for team Cube? So you invite them to future events even though they probably can't afford it? Well done.
Good luck ever getting another job in the SC2 community yourself.
On November 09 2011 12:52 XRaDiiX wrote: There is also Rumour you tried to bribe MoonGlade for YJY's Spot. Offering A Spot on Team AZK if he accepted...
This 'apology' is meaningless. You don't respond to the issues: the blatant lying, contract breaking, money disappearing, prize pool halving and your absence, online and offline, for much of the event.
You've bitten off more than you can chew Gus, time to swallow.
Edit: People were posting the work/cell number and address of that Judge (who belted his daughter), I didn't think linking Gus' Facebook page would warrant a warning. Apologies Hot_Bid, I personally thought they were friends or something.
Unacceptable apology Gus. This is absolutely disgusting, if you had a shred of honour you would pay for the bills that you freaking owe. I hope that every E-sports community bans you for life to host or participate in any event what so ever. If justice can not be served then I wish that you choke on your money and rot in hell.
In the BEST POSSIBLE CASE scenario, we could say that Gus Ledesma is the world's most incompetent human being, seeing as he never managed to be anywhere when he was needed or satisfactorily manage any of the tournament operations (cash flow, player flights, stream issues, etc). However, I say (and you will probably agree with me) that there is a 99% chance that this is not simply a "bad mistake" as this man would have us believe.
However, I suppose that we don't need to tell him what an asshole he is at this point. He has dug his own grave, and will probably have trouble doing any business in gaming or event organizing ever again.
On November 09 2011 13:00 InvXXVII wrote: Does anyone have any updates on the Amanda/Clive/hotel situation? I really hope they're going to be fine and that they get compensated adequately.
Gunrun posted this in the other thread "What Gus of the PPSL has done"
I'm here with the Amanda (travel desk for AZK) and Clive (assistent manager for AZK), in the hotel right now. Clive was asked to sign for the hotels, Amanda was the travel agent who issued the tickets for most of the talent and players. Amanda post paid for the tickets with the agency, if Gus doens't pay her the agency can run after her and put her in jail. Clive's hotel debt is 37,000 Pesos ($900~) & Amanda's agency debt is 516,000 Pesos. ($12,000~)
Gus is not appearing nor answering.
Clive is stuck here in the hotel till we get this solved today.
Edit: Soon after he Gunrun posted this
Gus just called me, he's on the way to the hotel now, hope we can get this settled soon.
This guy must think TL is filled with retards who can't see past the most obvious political speak, with a blanket "apology" that doesn't explain anything. Nice try, Gus. Better luck next time.
im enabling all my sc2 shit again, damn i cant believe i missed out on this, sorry to the folks being hurt by it, but man this is exciting for an outsider. it just is.. its news
Wow, you guys really are a joke. You're all pathetic. I hope you're the one that gets arrested, not the other woman. You're the one who caused this shitfest.
On November 09 2011 12:43 Williammm wrote: so here's the bill from what I understand of the situation
-$12900 USD for hotel costs and flight costs -Compensation for broken contract to Dox and possibly other contracts -Prize money for players -Wages for staff
question: is gambling allowed in the Philippines? Also, are there casinos there?
Otherwise, where the hell did the money disappear to?!
+100k php prize pool from honslaught +2k php from s2 games
Thanks for the apology. I see now where all the problems were. Hopefully you can learn from this and improve for the future. I am looking forward to the next event you are going to be putting on.
Is this guy serious? He really thinks this will do the job?
Does he seriously think this(utterly useless post that is filled with NO explanations and empty sounding apologies) will keep him from getting out of the pit that he's currently it?
It feels like he saw how IPL's message had people giving them props for apologizing and thought, "This is my way out! I'll just apologize a bunch and try to impress people with promises for the future and I'll be able to keep myself out there and do stuff in E-Sports!"
Waiting to here what happens when gus gets to the hotel but... not looking good and this apology is as bronze level as the failed tournament you tried to run.
I think Idra's comments on the Milkis thread is a lot more appropriate for this thread.
On October 31 2011 14:43 IdrA wrote: no. goddamit. someone does something fucking stupid after being a douchebag for a long time and writes an apology that takes 5 minutes and means nothing. hes still a douchebag. dont be nice to him.
Gus, a lot of people have spoken to you, man. You've fucked a lot of people over (you know who I'm talking about). People who put a lot of trust in you despite the word going around (and believe me, word went around. I'm not even in the country and I heard a LOT of stuff even before PGF went down).
This apology doesn't even cover anything. You're not on Skype, you're not on YM, you're not on FBC even though you're actively censoring PPSL's fanpage as we speak. The fact is, this "apology" is the first thing anyone's heard anything from you - and doesn't even address anything. Try harder, bro.
This clears up nothing and there are piles and piles of evidences from numerous people against your actions. You have deceived many, many people while you were "busy", or should I say getting "wasted by tasteless, daym".
Don't you dare think you can resolve everything by with your vague "there were budget issues" excuses.
I love how you use "We" as often as possible in that garbage apology and are trying to diffuse the blame onto others, when in fact, you are the only guy responsible for all the lies and screw-ups.
I hope you will never be allowed to work with anyone in the progaming community again.
On November 09 2011 12:43 Williammm wrote: so here's the bill from what I understand of the situation
-$12900 USD for hotel costs and flight costs -Compensation for broken contract to Dox and possibly other contracts -Prize money for players -Wages for staff
question: is gambling allowed in the Philippines? Also, are there casinos there?
Otherwise, where the hell did the money disappear to?!
+100k php prize pool from honslaught +2k php from s2 games
Your message: we made small technical mistakes along with screwing 4-6 players out of the event in which was promised, not counting the unpaid staff members that we didn't mention. I HOPE YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW WE OWE $13,000 to a person that is in limbo. We also screwed several HoN participants which we won't mention. We won't mention where the prize money went for that either. We also don't want to tell you where all the money meant to support this event went as well. IGN says we have it, but we won't talk about it. But hey, we're sorry for all the mistakes we mentioned, and that should settle everything we fucked up on, am I right?
You just fucked yourself with this empty apology that explains nothing.
Sorry, I have been reading a lot about this story and have no clue what is going on still (what the fuck is the ppsl, something ign sponsored, why is there a tournie in the phillipines? was like idra and such normal people there? anyways...), but my ignorance aside, why does no one believe this guy?
I can (sort of) understand if you don't like him, but is it a matter of you don't believe him? I mean stealing, bad management, whatever, as long as this guy isn't on the lamb, can't he just simply be held accountable for any missing money? Besides legal action, it doesn't exactly sound like he's trying to run away.
I mean if he's incompetent, I get it. Great. But besides 'sorry' for management issues that we just do better about next time, the issue of problems that can be fixed, isn't he going to fix it? Do you guys not believe him or something?
I mean doesn't someone from TL know where this guy is right? Is he just in the bahamas right now with loads of cash, or is he somewhere, after saying he'll correct the situation?
I want to know where you got this money to fly your team member from Australia over, that you couldn't use to fly YJY over as well as this $12,900 USD that is missing, putting two of your staff, and ex-friends(I say ex, because who would want to be friends with this scum after they abandon you to pay that amount of money?), lifes at stake in prison?
you owe so much more apologies and for the YJY case this is not acceptable, nor for the cube team situation, you have to step down and give back all the money asap sir
MLG needs some real competition. It sucks that MLG can't change anything mid-season, but maybe they should lose viewers for that anyway. Only the best should survive.
On November 09 2011 13:14 Belial88 wrote: How come no one accepts this guy's apology?
Sorry, I have been reading a lot about this story and have no clue what is going on still (what the fuck is the ppsl, something ign sponsored, why is there a tournie in the phillipines? was like idra and such normal people there? anyways...), but my ignorance aside, why does no one believe this guy?
I can (sort of) understand if you don't like him, but is it a matter of you don't believe him? I mean stealing, bad management, whatever, as long as this guy isn't on the lamb, can't he just simply be held accountable for any missing money? Besides legal action, it doesn't exactly sound like he's trying to run away.
I mean if he's incompetent, I get it. Great. But besides 'sorry' for management issues that we just do better about next time, the issue of problems that can be fixed, isn't he going to fix it? Do you guys not believe him or something?
I mean doesn't someone from TL know where this guy is right? Is he just in the bahamas right now with loads of cash, or is he somewhere, after saying he'll correct the situation?
On November 09 2011 13:14 Belial88 wrote: How come no one accepts this guy's apology?
Sorry, I have been reading a lot about this story and have no clue what is going on still (what the fuck is the ppsl, something ign sponsored, why is there a tournie in the phillipines? was like idra and such normal people there? anyways...), but my ignorance aside, why does no one believe this guy?
I can (sort of) understand if you don't like him, but is it a matter of you don't believe him? I mean stealing, bad management, whatever, as long as this guy isn't on the lamb, can't he just simply be held accountable for any missing money? Besides legal action, it doesn't exactly sound like he's trying to run away.
I mean if he's incompetent, I get it. Great. But besides 'sorry' for management issues that we just do better about next time, the issue of problems that can be fixed, isn't he going to fix it? Do you guys not believe him or something?
I mean doesn't someone from TL know where this guy is right? Is he just in the bahamas right now with loads of cash, or is he somewhere, after saying he'll correct the situation?
Why did you post without reading lol Gus is a joke.
He didn't even put enough effort. Look at the missing E-signature at the bottom. lol.
On November 09 2011 12:32 AZKwitchdoc wrote: Greetings,
First and foremost, the PPSL would like to formally apologise to everyone (IGN, our sponsors, the players, organisers, special guests and the viewers) who were involved with the IPL4 Pacific Qualifiers. The PPSL takes full responsibility for the way everything has unfolded, and would like to make it clear that it was no one else's fault but ours.
As most people already know, the event has suffered several technical difficulties throughout the last couple of days. A lot of the players were experiencing both internet latency issues, aswell as computer lag issues. Even with our continual efforts to bring the specifications of the computers, as well as the stream quality up to an excellent playable/viewable experience, we were unable to provide what everyone deserved, and for that, we are truly sorry.
We would now like to clarify a few things that many people have asked about concerning individuals not being able to attend the event.
As most people know, the event has suffered from management problems that we are responsible for and am trying to deal with accordingly. I apologise if this has angered the e-sports communities, that have been affected by this.
First is YoJun "YoonYJ" Yun, who recently participated in the Australian Qualifier, hosted by Derek "Dox" Reball. He was unable to secure 1st or 2nd place, and as such was initially unable to attend. Another player, who qualified, had to step down for personal reasons. YoJun was considered as the replacement to attend the event alongside David "arcMSIRossi" Rossi. However, there were a few complications associated with funding (not IPL's fault), and subsequently, I was unable to send him to the event. For that, we deeply apologize and wish YoJun the best in his future endeavors. He will be compensated for flights and accommodations in the future; I have spoken with YoonYJ personally, apologised and have put past the problems between us. He has accepted my apology, and has agreed to help resurrect this situation. I would also like to apologize to Derek "Dox" Reball for any misunderstandings that may have happened with the Australian Leg of the Qualifiers; he is an excellent events/tournament organizer and should be given attention for his passion for e-sports.
There has also been talk about other tournaments not releasing their cash prizes on time; I would like to reassure everyone that the cash prizes were given out to all the winners of the tournament as soon as the tournament ended.
To the members of Team Cube, we apologize for not being able to fly your players over to the event; I feel bad about you guys not being here; in the future we will try our utmost best to invite you to events as compensation for your team not being represented at the event.
To the Players for the HONslaught event; I would like to apologize for not being able to accommodate you guys during the IPL 4 Pacific Qualifier event; our sponsors (S2 Games) have decided to postpone the tournament to a later date.
We would also like to personally thank the following people for their ongoing assistance and support at the event.
- "TorcH"(Ops Manager) - "SeltzerPlease" (Host) - Allyn (Host) - "Artosis" (Caster) - "Tasteless" (Caster) - "CheekyDuck" (Caster) - "LiviBee" (Caster) - "The GunRun" (Stream Support) - KTgameone (Stream Support) - All of our sponsors and partners
and last but not the least
- Staff and Crew from the PPSL and Team AZK
We would also like to thank all of our sponsors for providing us the necessary resources, as well as IGN for their support they have given us during this event.
There were plans to make this event go smoothly as possible; however we didn't have enough time to make the necessary preparations in coordinating the logistics and various minor details. As some may say, little things add up to big things, and we had failed to consider that in our judgment. We shall take this as an invaluable learning experience and we hope to do much better in the future. We shall take every possible bit of expertise this and improve as a team.
The audience here in the Philippines did seem to enjoy the show and we hope to bring more of the same kind of experience to them in the future. As far as promoting StarCraft II in this country is concerned, we feel that we somehow succeeded in that aspect and showed local audiences how exciting this wonderful game truly is. May this be the spark that lights the fire for StarCraft II here in the Philippines so that others can do much better than we did.
Our intention was to provide a wonderful experience, and we understand that we had failed to provide the superior level of quality that IGN, the viewers, the sponsors, and the players deserved. We are sincerely sorry for the way these issues have popped up at this event and i know for a fact that all the major tournaments experienced some of the issues that we experienced as well.
I hope that this clears some of the confusion that has been going around.
You are a filthy retarded scam artist who got caught cos u wernt smart enough to pull it off, and because we are not dumb enough to fall for it.
u need to give all the money back to the appropriate people, you need to ACTUALLY apologise, (because this bullshit is not one)
and then you need to hide in a hole and never come back out again, you are not welcome in this community, you are a bad human being, and the fact that this pathetic attempt to trick us with this OP and wriggle your way out of it is further evidence.
you are a thief, a criminal and a scoundrel, and u deserve to be sued. or far worse imo
What a useless post, they think they can say sorry and let it all blow over. They have lost all the respect in many people,and probably wont host another tournament
On November 09 2011 13:16 Jcnorheim wrote: I hope this doesn't mean bad things for the IPL.
MLG needs some real competition. It sucks that MLG can't change anything mid-season, but maybe they should lose viewers for that anyway. Only the best should survive.
This doesn't. IPL came out with a statement explaining some stuff on their end. Everyone has been blindsided by the events that have taken place.
Gus Ledesma, your name is mud. Not on an internet forum. Not in the Starcraft community. In the real world.
Team AZK? It's done too. This might be unfortunate, considering some members apparently are hard working and honest. But you ruined their clan, and nobody will ever take them seriously again.
My advice is to just drop everything you are doing in eSports and forget it, it wasn't meant to be - go live your life in an avenue in which you don't potentially ruin others. Man up to what you owe and give up the pipe dream of being the next big thing.
On November 09 2011 12:40 Maynarde wrote: This is completely and utterly not enough.
How about you pay Yoon and Dox for the contract you broke?
Just for sake of clarity, he owes me no money as I agreed to run the entire Australian Qualifier for free. But I would like to see YoonYJ compensated for the travel & accommodation money he would have otherwise been eligible for. Apparently Gus intends to pay this money to Yoon in February.
On November 09 2011 13:14 Belial88 wrote: How come no one accepts this guy's apology?
Sorry, I have been reading a lot about this story and have no clue what is going on still (what the fuck is the ppsl, something ign sponsored, why is there a tournie in the phillipines? was like idra and such normal people there? anyways...), but my ignorance aside, why does no one believe this guy?
I can (sort of) understand if you don't like him, but is it a matter of you don't believe him? I mean stealing, bad management, whatever, as long as this guy isn't on the lamb, can't he just simply be held accountable for any missing money? Besides legal action, it doesn't exactly sound like he's trying to run away.
I mean if he's incompetent, I get it. Great. But besides 'sorry' for management issues that we just do better about next time, the issue of problems that can be fixed, isn't he going to fix it? Do you guys not believe him or something?
I mean doesn't someone from TL know where this guy is right? Is he just in the bahamas right now with loads of cash, or is he somewhere, after saying he'll correct the situation?
With all that he's done and people questioning him, he's explained nothing and says nothing about fixing the money problems. He also says he couldn't pay for YoonYJ's flight because of funding problem(when it was already funded for) meaning something happened to that money. The impression this post gives is: I apologize, I won't do it again. -eats the missing money-
You can't possibly expect people to trust him or accept this poorly written apology.
On November 09 2011 13:14 Belial88 wrote: How come no one accepts this guy's apology?
Sorry, I have been reading a lot about this story and have no clue what is going on still (what the fuck is the ppsl, something ign sponsored, why is there a tournie in the phillipines? was like idra and such normal people there? anyways...), but my ignorance aside, why does no one believe this guy?
I can (sort of) understand if you don't like him, but is it a matter of you don't believe him? I mean stealing, bad management, whatever, as long as this guy isn't on the lamb, can't he just simply be held accountable for any missing money? Besides legal action, it doesn't exactly sound like he's trying to run away.
I mean if he's incompetent, I get it. Great. But besides 'sorry' for management issues that we just do better about next time, the issue of problems that can be fixed, isn't he going to fix it? Do you guys not believe him or something?
I mean doesn't someone from TL know where this guy is right? Is he just in the bahamas right now with loads of cash, or is he somewhere, after saying he'll correct the situation?
Replying because I recognize your name.
Apologizing usually comes with a course of action or at the very least, promise of action. When a person apologizes, he better outline what he is going to do to make it better. What he's done is "I'm sorry. I'll do a better job next time." He should be saying, "I'll be compensating the staff, I'm on my way to the hotel, I'll be handing over the cash to Cube, etc etc etc".
A course of action should always follow an apology. From the way the apology is written, it sounds like he's going to run the same tournament next time. Even with a detailed apology, he would be lucky to gain the trust of the community. I'm surprised that you actually believe him. He's not only incompetent in running a tournament, but writing an apology.
he isn't like completely dissapeared. so he has money to account for, worst case scenario the cops find him right? I mean don't people on TL or IGN like know his address and stuff?
Why is it that I don't believe a word that comes out of your filthy untruthful mouth...
So far your correspondence has been naught but lies and undelivered promises, you have yet to even account for all the money involved, whilst leaving people in the lurch, and screwing over other professional teams sponsors.
(Imagine the HoN teams sponsors surprise when the pay to have their players compete in a tournament that will likely not occur...???)
(Note: No disrespect intended to all the players of AZK. I'm sure there are some good ones.)
You, Gus "AZKWitchdoc" Ledesma, are a BLIGHT and a SORE on the face of International E-sports. Your transgression will likely cost the SC2 scene in SEA its reputation with international sponsors. I pray the the E-sports scene in SEA (and specifically for the Philippines) can recover from the horrendous damage you have caused, and that sponsors will be willing to try again in our region.
It is scum like you that facilitate the need of a SC2 player Union, and I sincerely hope that those players around you with half a brain will get out now, before he drags you down with him. As I doubt he will take any responsibility.
To his teammates in Team AZK, while I mean no disrespect, you should all show Gus what you think about his actions with your feet! Assholes like him need to be shown that we as a community will not tolerate this shit! LEAVE...create your own clan/Team and promote E-sports in your country without the f&#@heads. You don't need people like him around your team, trust me!
Lastly, Witchdoc...I Sincerely hope you get what's comming to you. A 4x4 room with no windows and some soap on a fucking rope...dickhead!
This must be some sort of joke or he thinks were all stupid. Why waste your time writing this when all of us know pretty much what is going on right now and no one here is even going to think about believing what you say. On top of that you don't even address the real problems and lay out some stupid post "trying" to apologize knowing your going to get flamed for it. I hope people on that team get out fast and find a better home because as far as most of us are concerned you and the way you run things are a complete joke.
On November 09 2011 13:17 OopsOopsBaby wrote: i know you're a busy man so i compiled all the testimonials made by involved parties against you so that you can address them.
Why did you post without reading lol Gus is a joke.
I read his apology, and read all the stuff about the tournament. People also said blizzcon was the WORST TOURNAMENT EVER but being there, and seeing the games played at the pro section (where you could watch them play their actual games, even the ones not televised) I got to see a lot of stuff that people didn't see on stream.
My point being, is when peopel first started saying OMG WORST TOURNIE EVER I was a bit dubious and thought they were just being redditors.
So I'm not completely up to things on this, but I read the apology. I'm not asking for an explanation of what occured, I'm just wondering what people expect. So you don't believe him, great, but he's going to have to account for his actions one way or the other. His post here shows to me that he at least hasnt fled the country, so as long as that isn't an issue, it's quite easy for even the police to just fucking find him.
On November 09 2011 13:10 canikizu wrote: We need a livestream of TGR confronting Gus. Reality show ftw!!!
LOL.
Imho, part of what Gus should do to try n get out of this mess is be totally transparent with the finances. Show how much exactly was received from the various sponsors, and how each $ was spent. Like a non-profit organization. Any unspent money must be into reserve for future tournaments (to be headed by someone competent). For causing so much pain n stress to so many people, no way Gus can profit from this debacle.
On November 09 2011 12:40 Maynarde wrote: This is completely and utterly not enough.
How about you pay Yoon and Dox for the contract you broke?
Just for sake of clarity, he owes me no money as I agreed to run the entire Australian Qualifier for free. But I would like to see YoonYJ compensated for the travel & accommodation money he would have otherwise been eligible for. Apparently Gus intends to pay this money to Yoon in February.
Hi Dox, did you manage to speak with YoonYJ to confirm Gus' statement that they have "settled"? I am curious about it b'coz it's only he that seems to mention that there was a settlement so to speak between him and YoonYJ.
Haven't also manage to hear from anyone from TeamCube of Cebu and other HoN "participants" who flew over to Manila.
On November 09 2011 12:53 Hot_Bid wrote: I don't say this very often and I make fun of everyone that does. But this actually hurts ESPORTS.
I feel this above all is the very worst thing. Out of everything that has happened. I feel sympathetic for the esports scene where the even was hosted. Above all besides the money owed the lies and the poor conduct although important, causing this display of unprofessionalism is not good for esports. I know we all can feel for this because as fans all we want is for our passion to grow and it being displayed in a poor light like this does not help but in fact hurt.
On November 09 2011 13:14 Belial88 wrote: How come no one accepts this guy's apology?
Sorry, I have been reading a lot about this story and have no clue what is going on still (what the fuck is the ppsl, something ign sponsored, why is there a tournie in the phillipines? was like idra and such normal people there? anyways...), but my ignorance aside, why does no one believe this guy?
I can (sort of) understand if you don't like him, but is it a matter of you don't believe him? I mean stealing, bad management, whatever, as long as this guy isn't on the lamb, can't he just simply be held accountable for any missing money? Besides legal action, it doesn't exactly sound like he's trying to run away.
I mean if he's incompetent, I get it. Great. But besides 'sorry' for management issues that we just do better about next time, the issue of problems that can be fixed, isn't he going to fix it? Do you guys not believe him or something?
I mean doesn't someone from TL know where this guy is right? Is he just in the bahamas right now with loads of cash, or is he somewhere, after saying he'll correct the situation?
it would have been much, much better if he responded to ALL the claims being made against him, specifically what he's actively doing to fix every single problem. as it is, the post is just a series of insincere apologizes and information that everyone already knows.
i'm going to hazard a guess on the state of the finances.
he's overspent an incredible amount, i reckon. i dont know how much IPL funded this, or how much his sponsors agreed to give/have already given to this event, but it seems quite possible given the state of the tournament that it was based very much more on glory than any real organizational or managerial substance.
to have premium casters/players and computers with insufficient ram? great staff but shitty stream? all that hoohah about bracket fixing? name dropping during organizational period?
everything just screams towards a guy who wanted to go all out to make the tournament look good, without hazarding any care for how the event actually has to work.
i'm not sure if the players have been paid yet, or if any of the finances have been settled. i would think, he might've paid off prize money, and possibly fees for tastosis. A guy like that wouldn't risk offending the premier casters in the sc2 world. allyn and rachel and so and so may have been paid as well, but i dont know. if anyone has an idea of what he has ACTUALLY paid out, that might be enlightening.
but honestly, my guess is he's just massively overspent, and there is no more money. how the philippines deals with such issues, i'm not sure. for his sake i hope he has friends in the police.
for the sake of esports, i hope this guy gets nailed BAD.
sidenote: probably unfair to put this failure on his part on the entire clan, the entire event (IPL), the entire nation, or even the entire region. it's just one really really fucked up kid, too used to getting his way.
I am sorry I don't remember names. The gentleman who is leading up the IPL had that interview in Atlantic City where he said he felt so bad about booking on the same date as a Filipino tournament that he had made arrangements to become a sponsor of said tournament and help it out. Please tell me that wasn't this tournament. This is the same guy that started the IPL by putting his job on the line with the understanding that he'd lose it if IPL didn't work out. So this gentleman now has to go to his bosses and explain why your garbage was on his stream and why the money he gave you all is gone with no return (and possibly a negative return with the uninformed). And the only reason he has to do that is because he felt responsibility to do what's right and trusted you. Words cannot express how pathetic this is.
"I've been hearing shit from other people inside his team and out"
"That he never wanted to fly(me) in the first place" "but when i spoke to him he gave me his word" "yeah but im going to be very smart about this" "i want the sponsors to see bad publicity"
Immediately after YJY says that Gus AKA (AZK WitchDoc) says "GL with that"
This all happened right before the Tournament when YJY was inquiring about his Flight to the Tournament. Because Gus wasn't replying... or wasn't booking his flight... saying he didn't have the sponsor money etc... Excuses....
Apologizing usually comes with a course of action or at the very least, promise of action. When a person apologizes, he better outline what he is going to do to make it better. What he's done is "I'm sorry. I'll do a better job next time." He should be saying, "I'll be compensating the staff, I'm on my way to the hotel, I'll be handing over the cash to Cube, etc etc etc".
A course of action should always follow an apology. From the way the apology is written, it sounds like he's going to run the same tournament next time. Even with a detailed apology, he would be lucky to gain the trust of the community. I'm surprised that you actually believe him. He's not only incompetent in running a tournament, but writing an apology.
I guess I understand. I didn't expect anyone to like him, but one way or the other he's going to pay, no?
So I'm guessing he's lying about the whole 'paid people at end of tournament' statement?
This is a cover my ass, insincere apology if I ever saw one. He says there was no money for Yoon? In the facebook messages, Gus clearly said, he'd pay out of his own pocket if the money didn't come. He also refused to contact Yoon during this whole ordeal and ended the facebook messages with "good luck with that" when Yoon said he'd tell this to the community. Gus clearly was arrogant there and never imagined it would blow up like this. I don't buy this apology one bit.
On November 09 2011 13:21 Belial88 wrote: im not o_O
he isn't like completely dissapeared. so he has money to account for, worst case scenario the cops find him right? I mean don't people on TL or IGN like know his address and stuff?
The point is he has been saying stuff like this all along and nothing ever comes from it. He often said things like-- don't worry I will get the plane tickets. Then when people asked about it, never heard from him again.
Also if you follow along all the 'subdramas' coming to light (beyond the missing money), you will see that he not only at the very least mishandled and misran the tournament and the funding he had for it, but also has a very poor track record of how he treats people in general, including his clan.
I think people are very right to doubt this apology (especially when he completely avoids the money issue), until there is concrete evidence of him rectifying the situation of the debt he owes.
On November 09 2011 12:32 AZKwitchdoc wrote: [...] To the Players for the HONslaught event; I would like to apologize for not being able to accommodate you guys during the IPL 4 Pacific Qualifier event; our sponsors (S2 Games) have decided to postpone the tournament to a later date. [...]
Kind of strange that S2, a company wanting to promote themself by sponsoring the HoN tournament, lets players etc. fly in to then decide that the event will take place at a later date.
Or is there something you are not telling us, Gus?
Sorry #1 - PPSL "We are sorry it's all our fault" Sorry #2 - Sorry for the latency issues, sorry for the computer issues, sorry for the stream issues. Sorry #3 - Sorry for the management problems. Sorry #4 - Sorry for being unable to send the players to the event. It's all our fault (not IPL). Look we did something good - We will pay the winners as soon as the tournament has ended. Sorry #5 - Sorry to Team Cube for not being able to fly your players to the event. Sorry #6 - Sorry to the HON players because the event was postponed.
Thanks to our sponsors. We had plans... blah blah blah. somehow succeeded... blah blah blah. we had failed... blah blah blah.
On November 09 2011 13:27 Canucklehead wrote: This is a cover my ass, insincere apology if I ever saw one. He says there was no money for Yoon? In the facebook messages, Gus clearly said, he'd pay out of his own pocket if the money didn't come. He also refused to contact Yoon during this whole ordeal and ended the facebook messages with "good luck with that" when Yoon said he'd tell this to the community. Gus clearly was arrogant there and never imagined it would blow up like this. I don't buy this apology one bit.
The funny thing is, Yoon was already replacing someone who had earned the right to go (the guy who got 2nd place) but later turned down the invitation. So what did Gus do? First he tried to bribe Moonglade (who Yoon actually beat in the Australian tourney) with a spot in the Qualifiers as long as Moonglade agreed to join AZK for 3 months (Moonglade declined). Then Gus tried to argue with Dox that they only had to bring over the top 2 finishers at the Australian tourney and didn't have to bring Yoon. Eventually he said he'd take Yoon, but obviously that never happened.
Good public relations is paying the money you owe and being legit, not writing a stupid empty apology on a forum which addresses nothing.
I hope IGN learns from this and, in the future, places their trust in someone who's proven themselves to be dedicated, not someone full of promises and delivers nothing.
The only good thing to come out of this is that you're officially dead to the SEA community and you've been publicly shamed by the entire SC2 community around the world. You're absolutely pitiful. I hope that you have difficulty sleeping at night and that all of this karma comes back to bite you. This apology meant nothing, the money is still gone and the players are still out of pocket. You had no REAL explanation as to why YoonYJ wasn't catered for (that's what the IPL's money was for.. right?). If you couldn't handle the job of hosting the PPSL, then you should have passed the mantle on to more capable people.
Also, I hope that this gives more coverage to the SEA scene. Maybe you did do something well after all... you got us much needed publicity on the world stage (albeit for the wrong reasons).
IPL there will be no excuse if you ever utilize the services of this dishonorable word smith. He has very diplomatic writing and I can see how he could have been deceiving to players and to IPL, but knowing everything that has occurred, they CANNOT be permitted to associate with any credible eSport or Starcraft II organization.
This man brings shame to everyone in AZK and they would be behooved to cut him asap.
I can only hope that the actions an individual/individuals do not reflect on the AZK entirely, only on the ones responsible for this mess nor towards the Filipino and SEA community as a whole.
There's a lot of good people there and I'm afraid to say it, but bad seeds or pure incompetence, whatever way you decide to view it, exists in most communities.
On November 09 2011 13:32 SunriseSEA wrote: This is not good public relations, Gus.
Good public relations is paying the money you owe and being legit, not writing a stupid empty apology on a forum which addresses nothing.
From the SEA community, thanks a lot.
I think it's past that. He obviously doesn't care about public relations. His apology was weak & explained nothing. He dodged the whole YoonYJ thing & why they didn't do the HON event.
He is not even bothering to reply to the questions in his own apology thread !
On November 09 2011 12:41 deth wrote:I would like to give you a sincere and wholehearted "fuck you" for single-handedly bringing SEA esports backwards several years.
On November 09 2011 13:34 Detwiler wrote: How did this guy even get to set all this up? I mean do they just let any asshole run an event? Does nobody vet these people before hand?
To be fair, IPL accepted a good amount of the blame for that. pdd posted a recap of David Ting admitting he put too much trust in someone who members of his team were wary of...
I don't get what the purpose of him writing this is. He didn't clarify anything about the biggest part which is the money, and there is a whole lot of proof showing that half of what he said any ways is bullshit. He might as well have just disappeared from the SC2 scene than write this shitty ass apology to try to ease him back in to e-sports. We dont need people like him.
On November 09 2011 13:35 MrCash wrote: IPL there will be no excuse if you ever utilize the services of this dishonorable word smith. He has very diplomatic writing and I can see how he could have been deceiving to players and to IPL, but knowing everything that has occurred, they CANNOT be permitted to associate with any credible eSport or Starcraft II organization.
This man brings shame to everyone in AZK and they would be behooved to cut him asap.
the writing is hardly diplomatic. diplomatic writing wouldn't leave everyone who reads it with a feeling of "wtf are u trying to pull"
that being said, i agree with you wholeheartedly this guy is fuckkedd upp
Gus sounds self serving as his actions in regards to the PPSL has dictated. This "apology" stands in line with this attitude. A lot of responsibility was put on him and he failed in all regards.
Oh man this is really quite sad. Have fun being excluded from the community from now on, really hard to fix all the crap you did with a bunch of "sorry"s.
Pls look at my post, and give me feedback whether I am being unreasonable or not. I will appreciate the feedback. You can find it at http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=2699
On November 09 2011 13:42 YoonYJ wrote: Pls look at my post, and give me feedback whether I am being unreasonable or not. I will appreciate the feedback. You can find it at http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=2699
Wow. This is ridiculous. A petty apology. If anything, this is the last thing you needed to do. All you are doing is making a mockery of this whole situation.
A lot of people are looking for you and waiting for you to pay the right people who saved your ass and the first thing you do is post on a forum saying "WE are sorry"? From the accounts on a lot of people, you have screwed even your own staff and a LOT of the problems that happened was your lack of management throughout the whole tournament.
On November 09 2011 13:42 YoonYJ wrote: Pls look at my post, and give me feedback whether I am being unreasonable or not. I will appreciate the feedback. You can find it at http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=2699
Kind regards,
YoonYJ
It's fair to forgive him. But I think the reputational harm has been done, and I think no one will let him near another event or tourney again. But let's just see if he pays up.
On November 09 2011 13:42 YoonYJ wrote: Pls look at my post, and give me feedback whether I am being unreasonable or not. I will appreciate the feedback. You can find it at http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=2699
Kind regards,
YoonYJ
Entirely reasonable. Well said. Of course only time will tell if he actually intends to follow up with anything. You have everyone's support!
On November 09 2011 13:42 YoonYJ wrote: Pls look at my post, and give me feedback whether I am being unreasonable or not. I will appreciate the feedback. You can find it at http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=2699
You know what really makes me mad? I was in the event itself and after the first horrible day of the tournament and everyone in the community pulled GODLY amounts of effort into salvaging his trainwreck of a plan while he arrived late, did nothing and roamed around wearing an ID tag with the huge letters BOSS in it we barely somehow got the show on the road. A friend of mine told him this, saying "We pulled through somehow eh?" And you know how that douchebag responded?
"Of course it did. I organized it!"
The fucking nerve of that fucker. He had the nerve to take credit for something he had absolutely no input in! He didn't even recognize the community full of students and people with work who got disenchanted in the first day, but pooled through to go to the event JUST SO IT WONT LOOK SO EMPTY.
Then he proceeds to create this thread. Puts his own clanmates in danger of going to jail. God, I wish someone would just get it over with and deal with this guy.
On November 09 2011 13:42 YoonYJ wrote: Pls look at my post, and give me feedback whether I am being unreasonable or not. I will appreciate the feedback. You can find it at http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=2699
Kind regards,
YoonYJ
hi yoonyj. i understand the sentiment to want to forgive if he does right from now on. but i believes its out of place.
the simple fact is that one can excuse and forgive inability or inexperience, but its very hard to forgive deception. on a deeper level, its even harder to forgive attempts to cover up failures of one's character.
i dont believe this ... fiasco, is something that will change gus' mindset and the way he approaches things. his handling of the matters at hand have been ridiculous. and even if it does, the damage is done.
esports is a budding industry. it cannot afford issues such as ones caused by gus (or failure to pay out prize money, which is a seperate, but imo, very important problem that has to be solved).
its very simple. would you ever think sAviOr should be allowed to play BW again after the match fixing scandal? no. definitely not. gus' actions are very much like this.
so in a nutshell, no. gus can go suck on his own petrified crap
On November 09 2011 13:42 YoonYJ wrote: Pls look at my post, and give me feedback whether I am being unreasonable or not. I will appreciate the feedback. You can find it at http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=2699
Kind regards,
YoonYJ
Good luck, but 90+ days is a VERY long time.
This is something I accept in order for him to settle his debts with the other people that have been hurt. I appreciate your support sincerely.
I think in this situation, it would be good to take a lesson from Gus. Hookers, drugs, booze, and gambling are all very......very......very expensive "fun" things to do.
On November 09 2011 12:32 AZKwitchdoc wrote: Greetings,
To the members of Team Cube, we apologize for not being able to fly your players over to the event; I feel bad about you guys not being here; in the future we will try our utmost best to invite you to events as compensation for your team not being represented at the event.
Dude we just want to know why...I'm from cebu and I want to know why you did not send them. It's better to be honest dude, who knows maybe in time we can forgive whatever the reason is...at the very least you've been honest. I mean you just said you felt bad but you didn't tell us why...If money is the problem why wasn't it allocated in the first place since they were qualified?
On November 09 2011 13:48 Arkanthiel wrote: You know what really makes me mad? I was in the event itself and after the first horrible day of the tournament and everyone in the community pulled GODLY amounts of effort into salvaging his trainwreck of a plan while he arrived late, did nothing and roamed around wearing an ID tag with the huge letters BOSS in it we barely somehow got the show on the road. A friend of mine told him this, saying "We pulled through somehow eh?" And you know how that douchebag responded?
"Of course it did. I organized it!"
The fucking nerve of that fucker. He had the nerve to take credit for something he had absolutely no input in! He didn't even recognize the community full of students and people with work who got disenchanted in the first day, but pooled through to go to the event JUST SO IT WONT LOOK SO EMPTY.
Then he proceeds to create this thread. Puts his own clanmates in danger of going to jail. God, I wish someone would just get it over with and deal with this guy.
That's f*cked up. Takes all the credit after everyone else put in all the effort to save his ass and claims "we" are sorry for his lack of professionalism. What a douche.
On November 09 2011 13:42 YoonYJ wrote: Pls look at my post, and give me feedback whether I am being unreasonable or not. I will appreciate the feedback. You can find it at http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=2699
Kind regards,
YoonYJ
Good luck, but 90+ days is a VERY long time.
This is something I accept in order for him to settle his debts with the other people that have been hurt. I appreciate your support sincerely.
Dude you're like totally awesome. Props to adaptive selection.
On November 09 2011 12:32 AZKwitchdoc wrote: Greetings,
To the members of Team Cube, we apologize for not being able to fly your players over to the event; I feel bad about you guys not being here; in the future we will try our utmost best to invite you to events as compensation for your team not being represented at the event.
Dude we just want to know why...I'm from cebu and I want to know why you did not send them. It's better to be honest dude, who knows maybe in time we can forgive whatever the reason is...at the very least you've been honest. I mean you just said you felt bad but you didn't tell us why...If money is the problem why wasn't it allocated in the first place since they were qualified?
Because he pilfered the money and put it in his own Fuckng Pocket.
he also did it on purpose because his AZK players got a Free By in the Tournament because the Cube Players didn't catch their Flight
Because he Fucking Cancelled it... or didn't even bother paying/booking for it.
Apparently he tried to Bribe MoonGlade for YJY's Spot in the Tournament all whilst Denying YJY a Flight to the Tournament as well.. He promised MoonGlade a Spot on AZK Team Roster if he took YJY's Spot in the Tournament Essentially selling the spot that YJY earned in the Tournament by advancing farther in the Qualifiers than Moon Glade.
He is a Scum Bag, Theif, Con-Artist Liar, You will this when you read Dox's Blog.
When him and 4 of your Team Cube Players have Qualified int he Qualifiers Rightfully to Participate in the tournament.
Also this means he should have had Extra money left over from Not having to pay for your Flights. So where the hell did all that Sponsor Money go.
I'm not sure if this has been shown here, but David Ting posted this over on the Reddit Thread about the apology...
"IPL still owes Gus and Team AZK 50% of our sponsorship dollars. I will not release the funds until the ills have been cured or repurpose our funds to pay for part of the damage that has been caused. It is unbelievable what has just occurred here."
I do hope people in the community do not generalize this incident to the point that all Filipinos are accused of being incompetent human beings Being Filipino, I can only hope that we don't take the brunt of e-hate in his stead.
But he better man up and take full responsibility and fix everything before we go pac-man on his sorry behind. An apology loses its meaning if there's no heart to it.
To Gus if he ever reads this part (Fellow pinoys, please excuse any misspellings, my Tagalog isn't very strong): Kung may tinanim, may aanihin (If you plant, you harvest). Take responsibility. Huli man daw at magaling, naihahabol din (It is never too late to offer anything that is good). While you still have the chance, recover what little face you still have before you entirely kill SEA Esports.
YoonYJ, you are certainly far more reasonable and patient than anyone else here for sure. If I had been lied to my face like you were, my first instinct would be to ram the bullshit back down his throat with my fist.
Regardless of if he pays off the money though, it is far easier to lose respect than to gain it. Just making good on his debts does not wipe out his deceit.
"I know I f'ed up, but I'm not gonna explain why, all you need to know is that I'm sorry, and I'll promise to compensate for everything at the future event; because I know there won't be a future event lawls"
On November 09 2011 13:59 Korben wrote: I'm not sure if this has been shown here, but David Ting posted this over on the Reddit Thread about the apology...
"IPL still owes Gus and Team AZK 50% of our sponsorship dollars. I will not release the funds until the ills have been cured or repurpose our funds to pay for part of the damage that has been caused. It is unbelievable what has just occurred here."
On November 09 2011 12:32 AZKwitchdoc wrote: Greetings,
To the members of Team Cube, we apologize for not being able to fly your players over to the event; I feel bad about you guys not being here; in the future we will try our utmost best to invite you to events as compensation for your team not being represented at the event.
Dude we just want to know why...I'm from cebu and I want to know why you did not send them. It's better to be honest dude, who knows maybe in time we can forgive whatever the reason is...at the very least you've been honest. I mean you just said you felt bad but you didn't tell us why...If money is the problem why wasn't it allocated in the first place since they were qualified?
Because he pilfered the money and put it in his own Fuckng Pocket.
he also did it on purpose because his AZK players got a Free By in the Tournament because the Cube Players didn't catch their Flight
Because he Fucking Cancelled it... or didn't even bother paying/booking for it.
Apparently he tried to Bribe MoonGlade for YJY's Spot in the Tournament all whilst Denying YJY a Flight to the Tournament as well.. He promised MoonGlade a Spot on AZK Team Roster if he took YJY's Spot in the Tournament Essentially selling the spot that YJY earned in the Tournament by advancing farther in the Qualifiers than Moon Glade.
He is a Scum Bag, Theif, Con-Artist Liar, You will this when you read Dox's Blog.
When him and 4 of your Team Cube Players have Qualified int he Qualifiers Rightfully to Participate in the tournament.
Also this means he should have had Extra money left over from Not having to pay for your Flights. So where the hell did all that Sponsor Money go.
Well put sir, I don't think this genius had any clue the SC community would rally to see justice done.
Where's the local TeamLiquid lawyer? I know one of you is!
Organizing an event of this size is difficult. No matter what anyone says. And he seems to have run into every possible problem (internet issues, pc issues on top of everything else).
Not trying to excuse his actions. Still seems completely incompetent. But it's hard to judge until you understand how much work and how difficult it is to organize an event of this sort.
On November 09 2011 14:05 DoomsVille wrote: You gotta feel for the guy just a bit.
Organizing an event of this size is difficult. No matter what anyone says. And he seems to have run into every possible problem (internet issues, pc issues on top of everything else).
Not trying to excuse his actions. Still seems completely incompetent. But it's hard to judge until you understand how much work and how difficult it is to organize an event of this sort.
When being threatened to be exposed as a fraud: "GL with that"
When told that the event managed to get done despite the disastrous outcome: "Of course, I organized it"
Feels like there's more than incompetence at work, here
On November 09 2011 14:05 DoomsVille wrote: You gotta feel for the guy just a bit.
Organizing an event of this size is difficult. No matter what anyone says. And he seems to have run into every possible problem (internet issues, pc issues on top of everything else).
Not trying to excuse his actions. Still seems completely incompetent. But it's hard to judge until you understand how much work and how difficult it is to organize an event of this sort.
This Post will Shed all the Information you need on Gus's Purported Management of the Tournament.
On November 09 2011 01:29 ZenDeX wrote: "add to this, even the staff of AZK felt that we got scammed, Gus who we think has all the funds for this event, and the one who promised us that he will pay us, didn't pay us at all.
It's so sad that we the staff, did our best to make things work out, and the spotlight for hate is turned to us.
On the first day of the event, Gus was nowhere to be found. He arrived late on the event. And it was a great thing Torch was there. I am a staff member, but I would like to speak on behalf of the staff members, who didn't even got the chance to EAT (since he didn't give a fuck if we ate or not) or got even paid as promised.
this is really disappointing and sad.. pointing all the blame to team azk, without knowing what really was happening even between the members and Gus. It is unfair to tell everyone here that the leaders just disappeared,its not fair to judge everything by what you see without even knowing what really happen, THEY DIDN'T DISAPPEAR. They went out to look for a computer cafe with (2 group brackets--8players) so that they could finish all the games in TIME (since there is really nothing good if they wait until the computer/internet's fixed).
And about the HoN tournament, we were asking for Gus's Decision whether we push through the tournament, but he insisted NO. being his staff members, we follow his orders since we are just merely staff members. With this incident, we sincerely apologize, we can't do anything about it even if we wanted to make it happen, GUS wouldn't allow us, he just insisted NO and that we should push through the SC2 Tournament.
We, his own staff members also feel that we got scammed for not being paid (or even given the budget for food and drinks the least) and on behalf of my team, we are really frustrated, tired and disappointed at his leadership. When he arrived late at the venue, he doesn't seem to be on the right mind to lead us.
So on behalf of our staff team, we are very sorry to provide you a lack-luster tournament. Thank you to those people who stepped up and lead the way, and we are very thankful to have Torch on our team that time. Even us staff members are puzzled and looking for answers to what the fuck happen to the funds, I see a lot of things, heard a lot of things, UNNECESSARY THINGS that he has been spending on. /rantoff"
On November 09 2011 13:59 Korben wrote: I'm not sure if this has been shown here, but David Ting posted this over on the Reddit Thread about the apology...
"IPL still owes Gus and Team AZK 50% of our sponsorship dollars. I will not release the funds until the ills have been cured or repurpose our funds to pay for part of the damage that has been caused. It is unbelievable what has just occurred here."
Bull Shit.
Please do some fact finding before you go off shutting people down.
Oh and for that matter stop repeating yourself. We know Gus is a scumbag. Don't need to make 50 posts in all threads, and spam linking to the same stuff we have already read multiple times, just to prove it.
Didn't TL ban a few people for ditching friends at a LAN way back? Seems like this scumbag has earned the same.
Also, fork over the damn money, Gus. I hear your organizers (for the hotel and travel arrangements) are stuck holding the bag for your mistakes and may face jail time. Are you really going to-- no. How the fuck can you abandon them to cover your own hide? Sad thing is, that's only the tip of the iceberg.
I know that Team AZK are one of the victims of this situation. But after reading up about it, i felt like as event organisers, they also bear part of the blame. Instead of pushing everything to Gus and adopting a ''We are nice guy and got scammed too''. Maybe they could have done better in ensuring the events were better planned. To let 1 person handle and decide all the finances(Taking in money and paying) is moronic, especially when this guy has no previous experience/credibility. Thats why shit is stir storming up right now.(Hotel/Flight unpaid).
A first year business or events management student would have noticed the problems and skeptical sheit that your entire organising team(If that even exist) failed too see.
Dont mind me, just got a .little annoyed at the ''AZK are good ppl and only Gus is to blame''. Cos really, with so many ppl involved in the grounds, id assume someone has half a brain to smell something fishy instead of posting something on TL pushing blame on Gus and away from yourself with a (I knew it) post.
On November 09 2011 14:05 DoomsVille wrote: You gotta feel for the guy just a bit.
Organizing an event of this size is difficult. No matter what anyone says. And he seems to have run into every possible problem (internet issues, pc issues on top of everything else).
Not trying to excuse his actions. Still seems completely incompetent. But it's hard to judge until you understand how much work and how difficult it is to organize an event of this sort.
Anyone who plans on pushing through with an event like that should be capable of pulling it off. Yes, it is indeed a difficult task. But with the way everything turned out, it's obvious that he should have never done this in the first place.
If you really let your organizers hang with your 13k bill I do hope the internet mob comes after you and that you never get to organize anything again you fucking cunt.
IPL still owes Gus and Team AZK 50% of our sponsorship dollars. I will not release the funds until the ills have been cured or repurpose our funds to pay for part of the damage that has been caused. It is unbelievable what has just occurred here.
I know this is speculative but what if the only reason Gus apologized to YoonYJ and offered compensation was because YoonYJ was one of the more vocal individuals that stood up and actually provided large enough evidence (evident in the SCSEA thread)? And getting YoonYJ to pretty much say he's okay for the moment is a way to get IPL to send that remaining 50%?
IPL still owes Gus and Team AZK 50% of our sponsorship dollars. I will not release the funds until the ills have been cured or repurpose our funds to pay for part of the damage that has been caused. It is unbelievable what has just occurred here.
I know this is speculative but what if the only reason Gus apologized to YoonYJ and offered compensation was because YoonYJ was one of the more vocal individuals that stood up and actually provided large enough evidence (evident in the SCSEA thread)? And getting YoonYJ to pretty much say he's okay for the moment is a way to get IPL to send that remaining 50%?
?? :\
I by no means have forgiven Gus whatsoever. I am waiting for him to fix the immediate damages he has caused to the people in the Phillipines. I have put those people before my compensation.
On November 09 2011 14:05 DoomsVille wrote: You gotta feel for the guy just a bit.
Organizing an event of this size is difficult. No matter what anyone says. And he seems to have run into every possible problem (internet issues, pc issues on top of everything else).
Not trying to excuse his actions. Still seems completely incompetent. But it's hard to judge until you understand how much work and how difficult it is to organize an event of this sort.
Yeah, organizing a tournament is pretty hard. Especially when you don't show up til 3.P.M. + Show Spoiler +
On November 09 2011 13:48 Arkanthiel wrote: You know what really makes me mad? I was in the event itself and after the first horrible day of the tournament and everyone in the community pulled GODLY amounts of effort into salvaging his trainwreck of a plan while he arrived late, did nothing and roamed around wearing an ID tag with the huge letters BOSS in it we barely somehow got the show on the road. A friend of mine told him this, saying "We pulled through somehow eh?" And you know how that douchebag responded?
"Of course it did. I organized it!"
The fucking nerve of that fucker. He had the nerve to take credit for something he had absolutely no input in! He didn't even recognize the community full of students and people with work who got disenchanted in the first day, but pooled through to go to the event JUST SO IT WONT LOOK SO EMPTY.
Then he proceeds to create this thread. Puts his own clanmates in danger of going to jail. God, I wish someone would just get it over with and deal with this guy.
The stream didn't even get tested til an hour before the event.
On November 09 2011 13:42 YoonYJ wrote: Pls look at my post, and give me feedback whether I am being unreasonable or not. I will appreciate the feedback. You can find it at http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=2699
Kind regards,
YoonYJ
I think it was a very well written post, and adds to the growing pile of evidence against Gus. Thank you for taking the time to share your side of the story with the community. You are completely in the right. And big ups to moonglade for declining.
I kinda feel bad for Gus, I can't even imagine what it would be like to be hated on by so many people around the world.
IPL still owes Gus and Team AZK 50% of our sponsorship dollars. I will not release the funds until the ills have been cured or repurpose our funds to pay for part of the damage that has been caused. It is unbelievable what has just occurred here.
I know this is speculative but what if the only reason Gus apologized to YoonYJ and offered compensation was because YoonYJ was one of the more vocal individuals that stood up and actually provided large enough evidence (evident in the SCSEA thread)? And getting YoonYJ to pretty much say he's okay for the moment is a way to get IPL to send that remaining 50%?
?? :\
I by no means have forgiven Gus whatsoever. I am waiting for him to fix the immediate damages he has caused to the people in the Phillipines. I have put those people before my compensation.
IPL still owes Gus and Team AZK 50% of our sponsorship dollars. I will not release the funds until the ills have been cured or repurpose our funds to pay for part of the damage that has been caused. It is unbelievable what has just occurred here.
I know this is speculative but what if the only reason Gus apologized to YoonYJ and offered compensation was because YoonYJ was one of the more vocal individuals that stood up and actually provided large enough evidence (evident in the SCSEA thread)? And getting YoonYJ to pretty much say he's okay for the moment is a way to get IPL to send that remaining 50%?
?? :\
I by no means have forgiven Gus whatsoever. I am waiting for him to fix the immediate damages he has caused to the people in the Phillipines. I have put those people before my compensation.
[2/11/2011 10:21:19 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): cheekyduck's here [2/11/2011 10:21:21 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): went out to dinner last night [2/11/2011 10:28:29 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): hope you could be here [2/11/2011 10:28:33 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): dox [2/11/2011 10:31:41 AM] Derek Reball: way too busy unfortunately!
Just thought I'd clear that up since he used my name in the OP.
I get that people say that AZK members had no idea of the crooked dealings of Gus, but after the viOlet thing, and this, and a few other incidents, I think it's time for the AZK name to be perma-banned in the community. The members who did nothing wrong should form a new team, and the current name and all remaining members should be blacklisted. This is beyond underhanded and shady from a team that just keeps churning out bad press.
[2/11/2011 10:21:19 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): cheekyduck's here [2/11/2011 10:21:21 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): went out to dinner last night [2/11/2011 10:28:29 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): hope you could be here [2/11/2011 10:28:33 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): dox [2/11/2011 10:31:41 AM] Derek Reball: way too busy unfortunately!
Just thought I'd clear that up since he used my name in the OP.
I feel really bad for you and AZK for the damage that was done for this event. Plz know that the community knows it was gus's fault, and not AZK i feel that you guys worked your ass off, and im very sad that gus handled everything so terribly. i wish you and those effected the best.
last we heard from TGR is that he helped clive pay for the hotel bill coz he has a meeting and didn't want to leave clive alone with the bill. still no word on where gus is :/
[2/11/2011 10:21:19 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): cheekyduck's here [2/11/2011 10:21:21 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): went out to dinner last night [2/11/2011 10:28:29 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): hope you could be here [2/11/2011 10:28:33 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): dox [2/11/2011 10:31:41 AM] Derek Reball: way too busy unfortunately!
Just thought I'd clear that up since he used my name in the OP.
As expected, this scumbag lies again. Add this in to the evidence against him!
[2/11/2011 10:21:19 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): cheekyduck's here [2/11/2011 10:21:21 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): went out to dinner last night [2/11/2011 10:28:29 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): hope you could be here [2/11/2011 10:28:33 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): dox [2/11/2011 10:31:41 AM] Derek Reball: way too busy unfortunately!
Just thought I'd clear that up since he used my name in the OP.
As expected, this scumbag lies again. Add this in to the evidence against him!
at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he got cheeckyduck to foot the bill. cheap bastard.
On November 09 2011 14:23 Takkara wrote: I get that people say that AZK members had no idea of the crooked dealings of Gus, but after the viOlet thing, and this, and a few other incidents, I think it's time for the AZK name to be perma-banned in the community. The members who did nothing wrong should form a new team, and the current name and all remaining members should be blacklisted. This is beyond underhanded and shady from a team that just keeps churning out bad press.
I can almost assure you the entire team knew this was going to be a cluster fuck. Anybody directly involved would have known. Plenty of people are to blame for this. Gus is a fucking douche and is obviuosly where all the hate should be directed, but he did not do this on his own. A single person would not be capable of fucking this up entirely on his own. He had associates, people other then himself must have known how much money was coming in, and where it was coming from. What it was being spent on etc etc.
After this whole fiasco, I can only wonder how the team is going to deal with this internally. Are they going to quit the team, have Gus fired, or what? I expect they should discuss this at least at some length.
Lol.... I like how you basically dodged any details towards the HoNslaught incident.... if the event got post poned why wouldnt you update everyone prior to the event... if a sponsor honestly pulls out at the last minute and reschedules the event (assuming that you're not incompetent ... which you are but let's just say for arguments sake) then frankly, fuck that sponsor. but you clearly lack the work ethics and morale to avoid a chance to gain money and some media press.
On November 09 2011 14:23 Takkara wrote: I get that people say that AZK members had no idea of the crooked dealings of Gus, but after the viOlet thing, and this, and a few other incidents, I think it's time for the AZK name to be perma-banned in the community. The members who did nothing wrong should form a new team, and the current name and all remaining members should be blacklisted. This is beyond underhanded and shady from a team that just keeps churning out bad press.
I can almost assure you the entire team knew this was going to be a cluster fuck. Anybody directly involved would have known. Plenty of people are to blame for this. Gus is a fucking douche and is obviuosly where all the hate should be directed, but he did not do this on his own. A single person would not be capable of fucking this up entirely on his own. He had associates, people other then himself must have known how much money was coming in, and where it was coming from. What it was being spent on etc etc.
he managed to fucked his ASSISTANT MANAGER clive over hotel money. i highly doubt anyone other than himself knows what is going on.
On November 09 2011 12:32 AZKwitchdoc wrote: I have spoken with YoonYJ personally, apologised and have put past the problems between us. He has accepted my apology, and has agreed to help resurrect this situation. I would also like to apologize to Derek "Dox" Reball for any misunderstandings that may have happened with the Australian Leg of the Qualifiers; he is an excellent events/tournament organizer and should be given attention for his passion for e-sports.
IPL still owes Gus and Team AZK 50% of our sponsorship dollars. I will not release the funds until the ills have been cured or repurpose our funds to pay for part of the damage that has been caused. It is unbelievable what has just occurred here.
I know this is speculative but what if the only reason Gus apologized to YoonYJ and offered compensation was because YoonYJ was one of the more vocal individuals that stood up and actually provided large enough evidence (evident in the SCSEA thread)? And getting YoonYJ to pretty much say he's okay for the moment is a way to get IPL to send that remaining 50%?
?? :\
I by no means have forgiven Gus whatsoever. I am waiting for him to fix the immediate damages he has caused to the people in the Phillipines. I have put those people before my compensation.
On November 09 2011 14:22 Dox wrote: Not that I feel I'm owed an apology or anything, but Gus hasn't said a word to me since last Wednesday.
[2/11/2011 10:21:19 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): cheekyduck's here [2/11/2011 10:21:21 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): went out to dinner last night [2/11/2011 10:28:29 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): hope you could be here [2/11/2011 10:28:33 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): dox [2/11/2011 10:31:41 AM] Derek Reball: way too busy unfortunately!
Just thought I'd clear that up since he used my name in the OP.
Lol... still completely full of shit, even in the "apology" post.
I have spoken to Gus about the matter and I am glad to say that he has apologised for his actions. He has given me my word that I will be compensated at a sum of $1600AU, which was the estimated cost of the flight by next year February 15th. The reason for this is because he will be dealing with all the other financial issues at hand which is currently happening in the Philippines as you guys probably have heard of share my disappointment.
I am grateful for all of those that have supported me in the past few days; I remember every one of you that have spoken out, messaged me personally, and have even apologised for something their country has done (which I have replied this matter has nothing to do with the Philippines). To these people I would like to say I am indebted to you, as I have felt the community unite and speak out with and for me.
Gus's actions will tell me if he has accepted responsibility. In the next few days, if Gus keeps his word and attends to those that have been affected by the management, then he has my forgiveness. I have made many mistakes myself and have been grateful for loving friends and family that have constantly forgiven my mistakes. By no means does this mean I have forgiven him now; actions speak louder than words. However, if he does do what a reasonable person does to fix his mistakes, who are we not to forgive? I cannot force you to follow me into accepting Gus back into e-Sports, as you have the right to your opinion. Yet it is my solid belief that if he pays for his wrongs, then we as a community must forgive him.
On November 09 2011 14:05 DoomsVille wrote: You gotta feel for the guy just a bit.
Organizing an event of this size is difficult. No matter what anyone says. And he seems to have run into every possible problem (internet issues, pc issues on top of everything else).
Not trying to excuse his actions. Still seems completely incompetent. But it's hard to judge until you understand how much work and how difficult it is to organize an event of this sort.
No you don't. He ran into problems because he fucked up and cut corners. I feel bad for the people he screwed over.
YoJun was considered as the replacement to attend the event alongside David "arcMSIRossi" Rossi. However, there were a few complications associated with funding (not IPL's fault)
Where's the money then Gus for the 4 Cube Players that were supposed to be flown to the Tournament and YJY
You said the funding wasn't IPL's Fault... So clearly something is a Miss here... What'd you do with the Sponsor Money.
YoJun was considered as the replacement to attend the event alongside David "arcMSIRossi" Rossi. However, there were a few complications associated with funding (not IPL's fault)
Where's the money then Gus for the 4 Cube Players that were supposed to be flown to the Tournament and YJY
You said the funding wasn't IPL's Fault... So clearly something is a Miss here... What'd you do with the Sponsor Money.
I'm starting to wonder if there were even sponsors to begin with, maybe that was a bunch of bullshit too.
you need a PR expert on your team. what you wrote should not have been released at all. you know why? cuz there were no explanations and it is troubling to note that you STILL haven't paid the 13 grand.
YoJun was considered as the replacement to attend the event alongside David "arcMSIRossi" Rossi. However, there were a few complications associated with funding (not IPL's fault)
Where's the money then Gus for the 4 Cube Players that were supposed to be flown to the Tournament and YJY
You said the funding wasn't IPL's Fault... So clearly something is a Miss here... What'd you do with the Sponsor Money.
I'm starting to wonder if there were even sponsors to begin with, maybe that was a bunch of bullshit too.
Maybe you're right he faked the Sponsors..... or at-least some of them who knows.
I thought IPL/IGN Sponsors were providing all the Funds... maybe he had a bunch of Smaller Sponsors that he lied about and they weren't really sponsoring the Event........????? Where the money that was dedicated to the Players FLIGHTS
On November 09 2011 14:37 YoonYJ wrote: I have spoken to Gus about the matter and I am glad to say that he has apologised for his actions. He has given me my word that I will be compensated at a sum of $1600AU, which was the estimated cost of the flight by next year February 15th. The reason for this is because he will be dealing with all the other financial issues at hand which is currently happening in the Philippines as you guys probably have heard of share my disappointment.
I am grateful for all of those that have supported me in the past few days; I remember every one of you that have spoken out, messaged me personally, and have even apologised for something their country has done (which I have replied this matter has nothing to do with the Philippines). To these people I would like to say I am indebted to you, as I have felt the community unite and speak out with and for me.
Gus's actions will tell me if he has accepted responsibility. In the next few days, if Gus keeps his word and attends to those that have been affected by the management, then he has my forgiveness. I have made many mistakes myself and have been grateful for loving friends and family that have constantly forgiven my mistakes. By no means does this mean I have forgiven him now; actions speak louder than words. However, if he does do what a reasonable person does to fix his mistakes, who are we not to forgive? I cannot force you to follow me into accepting Gus back into e-Sports, as you have the right to your opinion. Yet it is my solid belief that if he pays for his wrongs, then we as a community must forgive him.
Kind Regards,
YoonYJ
You might want to get him to sign a legally binding contract to make sure he pays,
On November 09 2011 14:37 YoonYJ wrote: I have spoken to Gus about the matter and I am glad to say that he has apologised for his actions. He has given me my word that I will be compensated at a sum of $1600AU, which was the estimated cost of the flight by next year February 15th. The reason for this is because he will be dealing with all the other financial issues at hand which is currently happening in the Philippines as you guys probably have heard of share my disappointment.
I am grateful for all of those that have supported me in the past few days; I remember every one of you that have spoken out, messaged me personally, and have even apologised for something their country has done (which I have replied this matter has nothing to do with the Philippines). To these people I would like to say I am indebted to you, as I have felt the community unite and speak out with and for me.
Gus's actions will tell me if he has accepted responsibility. In the next few days, if Gus keeps his word and attends to those that have been affected by the management, then he has my forgiveness. I have made many mistakes myself and have been grateful for loving friends and family that have constantly forgiven my mistakes. By no means does this mean I have forgiven him now; actions speak louder than words. However, if he does do what a reasonable person does to fix his mistakes, who are we not to forgive? I cannot force you to follow me into accepting Gus back into e-Sports, as you have the right to your opinion. Yet it is my solid belief that if he pays for his wrongs, then we as a community must forgive him.
Kind Regards,
YoonYJ
True. He will still be heavily criticized but if he pays he will be forgiven. But I kinda doubt that he will pay anytime soon.
Just reread the last few paragraphs of the thing while looking at the full list of people he listed.
... We are sincerely sorry for the way these issues have popped up at this event and i know for a fact that all the major tournaments experienced some of the issues that we experienced as well.
On November 09 2011 14:37 YoonYJ wrote: I have spoken to Gus about the matter and I am glad to say that he has apologised for his actions. He has given me my word that I will be compensated at a sum of $1600AU, which was the estimated cost of the flight by next year February 15th. The reason for this is because he will be dealing with all the other financial issues at hand which is currently happening in the Philippines as you guys probably have heard of share my disappointment.
I am grateful for all of those that have supported me in the past few days; I remember every one of you that have spoken out, messaged me personally, and have even apologised for something their country has done (which I have replied this matter has nothing to do with the Philippines). To these people I would like to say I am indebted to you, as I have felt the community unite and speak out with and for me.
Gus's actions will tell me if he has accepted responsibility. In the next few days, if Gus keeps his word and attends to those that have been affected by the management, then he has my forgiveness. I have made many mistakes myself and have been grateful for loving friends and family that have constantly forgiven my mistakes. By no means does this mean I have forgiven him now; actions speak louder than words. However, if he does do what a reasonable person does to fix his mistakes, who are we not to forgive? I cannot force you to follow me into accepting Gus back into e-Sports, as you have the right to your opinion. Yet it is my solid belief that if he pays for his wrongs, then we as a community must forgive him.
Kind Regards,
YoonYJ
True. He will still be heavily criticized but if he pays he will be forgiven. But I kinda doubt that he will pay anytime soon.
Yes, I'm fine with that. Let us hope he pays the people that are in immediate need at the moment.
there's a huge difference between making mistakes in management and actually being conniving and taking advantage of a situation in order to benefit oneself. this man did both and then gave us a half-hearted, vague apology to cover his incredible (lack of?) shame.
whether he repays the debt he has already or not, there are so many accusations and charges against him (between trying to bribe mOOnGLaDe in an attempt to get him to join his team, "sneaking" his own players into the tournament and pretty much everything else mentioned in the last 24 hours) that there's really nothing he can do to redeem himself aside from calling all of those accusations as hearsay with convincing proof, which he clearly didn't do in this apology thread, essentially blowing his only chance at a little bit of saved face.
On November 09 2011 14:37 YoonYJ wrote: I have spoken to Gus about the matter and I am glad to say that he has apologised for his actions. He has given me my word that I will be compensated at a sum of $1600AU, which was the estimated cost of the flight by next year February 15th. The reason for this is because he will be dealing with all the other financial issues at hand which is currently happening in the Philippines as you guys probably have heard of share my disappointment.
I am grateful for all of those that have supported me in the past few days; I remember every one of you that have spoken out, messaged me personally, and have even apologised for something their country has done (which I have replied this matter has nothing to do with the Philippines). To these people I would like to say I am indebted to you, as I have felt the community unite and speak out with and for me.
Gus's actions will tell me if he has accepted responsibility. In the next few days, if Gus keeps his word and attends to those that have been affected by the management, then he has my forgiveness. I have made many mistakes myself and have been grateful for loving friends and family that have constantly forgiven my mistakes. By no means does this mean I have forgiven him now; actions speak louder than words. However, if he does do what a reasonable person does to fix his mistakes, who are we not to forgive? I cannot force you to follow me into accepting Gus back into e-Sports, as you have the right to your opinion. Yet it is my solid belief that if he pays for his wrongs, then we as a community must forgive him.
Kind Regards,
YoonYJ
You might want to get him to sign a legally binding contract to make sure he pays,
I will not do this, and it is not because I am stupid, but rather I am more worried about the people in the Philippines that need immediate help. If he does not pay me it is fine; it benefits the community by showing that he is full of shit. We will judge from his actions
I bet he used the Flight Money for his Own Players to Fly to the Tournament and For the Casters he had (The Two Girl ones) IPL/IGN Was supposed to have Tastosis Casting the whole event so obviously IPL/IGN didn't pay for the (Girl Casters) to be flown because they didn't even know that Gus was bringing his own Casters....
he mis-used those funds that were originally for YJY and And the 4 Team Cube members who also Qualified.
I bet he used that money to Fly his own Team to the Event and basically said Fuck you to the rest. Where else would the Money of Gone when IGN/IPL Gave him More than Enough... to Cover he Costs...
On November 09 2011 14:37 YoonYJ wrote: I have spoken to Gus about the matter and I am glad to say that he has apologised for his actions. He has given me my word that I will be compensated at a sum of $1600AU, which was the estimated cost of the flight by next year February 15th. The reason for this is because he will be dealing with all the other financial issues at hand which is currently happening in the Philippines as you guys probably have heard of share my disappointment.
I am grateful for all of those that have supported me in the past few days; I remember every one of you that have spoken out, messaged me personally, and have even apologised for something their country has done (which I have replied this matter has nothing to do with the Philippines). To these people I would like to say I am indebted to you, as I have felt the community unite and speak out with and for me.
Gus's actions will tell me if he has accepted responsibility. In the next few days, if Gus keeps his word and attends to those that have been affected by the management, then he has my forgiveness. I have made many mistakes myself and have been grateful for loving friends and family that have constantly forgiven my mistakes. By no means does this mean I have forgiven him now; actions speak louder than words. However, if he does do what a reasonable person does to fix his mistakes, who are we not to forgive? I cannot force you to follow me into accepting Gus back into e-Sports, as you have the right to your opinion. Yet it is my solid belief that if he pays for his wrongs, then we as a community must forgive him.
Kind Regards,
YoonYJ
You might want to get him to sign a legally binding contract to make sure he pays,
A contract? Like this one, promising to send YoonYJ in the first place but never fulfilled?
On November 09 2011 14:23 Takkara wrote: I get that people say that AZK members had no idea of the crooked dealings of Gus, but after the viOlet thing, and this, and a few other incidents, I think it's time for the AZK name to be perma-banned in the community. The members who did nothing wrong should form a new team, and the current name and all remaining members should be blacklisted. This is beyond underhanded and shady from a team that just keeps churning out bad press.
I can almost assure you the entire team knew this was going to be a cluster fuck. Anybody directly involved would have known. Plenty of people are to blame for this. Gus is a fucking douche and is obviuosly where all the hate should be directed, but he did not do this on his own. A single person would not be capable of fucking this up entirely on his own. He had associates, people other then himself must have known how much money was coming in, and where it was coming from. What it was being spent on etc etc.
Are you really sure? It seems for me that the whole tourney was so fucked up because Gus was only guy in charge and didn't plan anything accordingly. They may be some people who knew something and didn't intervene. But you can't blame them by a lot.
I don't think that Gus took any money for himself. He wanted to come out big with this despite having no experience in organizing big events. So he underestimated the costs and then never wanted to get help, but just tried to fix the problems somehow which made everything worse. Thats by no means an excuse. The way he acted showed some criminal energy.
On November 09 2011 13:14 Belial88 wrote: How come no one accepts this guy's apology?
Sorry, I have been reading a lot about this story and have no clue what is going on still (what the fuck is the ppsl, something ign sponsored, why is there a tournie in the phillipines? was like idra and such normal people there? anyways...), but my ignorance aside, why does no one believe this guy?
I can (sort of) understand if you don't like him, but is it a matter of you don't believe him? I mean stealing, bad management, whatever, as long as this guy isn't on the lamb, can't he just simply be held accountable for any missing money? Besides legal action, it doesn't exactly sound like he's trying to run away.
I mean if he's incompetent, I get it. Great. But besides 'sorry' for management issues that we just do better about next time, the issue of problems that can be fixed, isn't he going to fix it? Do you guys not believe him or something?
I mean doesn't someone from TL know where this guy is right? Is he just in the bahamas right now with loads of cash, or is he somewhere, after saying he'll correct the situation?
it's not just about the money lol.. you would know if you actually read through the replies, even without having read any of the other threads
He hasn't only caused damage to the SEA scene, but also to IPL helping out any other small tournaments. Can you imagine them sponsoring anything after this?
On November 09 2011 14:37 YoonYJ wrote: I have spoken to Gus about the matter and I am glad to say that he has apologised for his actions. He has given me my word that I will be compensated at a sum of $1600AU, which was the estimated cost of the flight by next year February 15th. The reason for this is because he will be dealing with all the other financial issues at hand which is currently happening in the Philippines as you guys probably have heard of share my disappointment.
I am grateful for all of those that have supported me in the past few days; I remember every one of you that have spoken out, messaged me personally, and have even apologised for something their country has done (which I have replied this matter has nothing to do with the Philippines). To these people I would like to say I am indebted to you, as I have felt the community unite and speak out with and for me.
Gus's actions will tell me if he has accepted responsibility. In the next few days, if Gus keeps his word and attends to those that have been affected by the management, then he has my forgiveness. I have made many mistakes myself and have been grateful for loving friends and family that have constantly forgiven my mistakes. By no means does this mean I have forgiven him now; actions speak louder than words. However, if he does do what a reasonable person does to fix his mistakes, who are we not to forgive? I cannot force you to follow me into accepting Gus back into e-Sports, as you have the right to your opinion. Yet it is my solid belief that if he pays for his wrongs, then we as a community must forgive him.
Kind Regards,
YoonYJ
I don't understand the need to have had this put on the internet in the first place, when you are now basically saying you may be able to handle the situation between each other. Even if he pays his debts who is going to accept him back into e-sports. I understand that you were conned and want justice for what happened to you but now the internet mob is already making threats towards him. The guy is no doubt a scrum bag but now he's a scum bag with a target on his back.
On November 09 2011 14:37 YoonYJ wrote: I have spoken to Gus about the matter and I am glad to say that he has apologised for his actions. He has given me my word that I will be compensated at a sum of $1600AU, which was the estimated cost of the flight by next year February 15th. The reason for this is because he will be dealing with all the other financial issues at hand which is currently happening in the Philippines as you guys probably have heard of share my disappointment.
I am grateful for all of those that have supported me in the past few days; I remember every one of you that have spoken out, messaged me personally, and have even apologised for something their country has done (which I have replied this matter has nothing to do with the Philippines). To these people I would like to say I am indebted to you, as I have felt the community unite and speak out with and for me.
Gus's actions will tell me if he has accepted responsibility. In the next few days, if Gus keeps his word and attends to those that have been affected by the management, then he has my forgiveness. I have made many mistakes myself and have been grateful for loving friends and family that have constantly forgiven my mistakes. By no means does this mean I have forgiven him now; actions speak louder than words. However, if he does do what a reasonable person does to fix his mistakes, who are we not to forgive? I cannot force you to follow me into accepting Gus back into e-Sports, as you have the right to your opinion. Yet it is my solid belief that if he pays for his wrongs, then we as a community must forgive him.
Kind Regards,
YoonYJ
True. He will still be heavily criticized but if he pays he will be forgiven. But I kinda doubt that he will pay anytime soon.
Yes, I'm fine with that. Let us hope he pays the people that are in immediate need at the moment.
You should take his Macbook Air ($1,000). I doubt he'd pay you in a reasonable amount of time or if at all. Lots of people are like that with personal debts, yet alone douchebags like Gus. It's so easy to just avoid phone calls in the future..
I have, there's quite a lot going on but it's not always clear what's hearsay and what's true. People were claiming blizzcon was the worst tournament ever too, when people who were actually there had access to 40x the number of games and were able to watch the actual players play (basically just a security guard giving 5 feet between you and about 20 pro matches going on that weren't on the main stage).
Apparently everything bad that happened is true? There is the tweet about gus paying the hotels bills now, apparently.
I've also never seen someone just get shat on so hard after giving an apology. Quite surprising.
On November 09 2011 14:37 YoonYJ wrote: I have spoken to Gus about the matter and I am glad to say that he has apologised for his actions. He has given me my word that I will be compensated at a sum of $1600AU, which was the estimated cost of the flight by next year February 15th. The reason for this is because he will be dealing with all the other financial issues at hand which is currently happening in the Philippines as you guys probably have heard of share my disappointment.
I am grateful for all of those that have supported me in the past few days; I remember every one of you that have spoken out, messaged me personally, and have even apologised for something their country has done (which I have replied this matter has nothing to do with the Philippines). To these people I would like to say I am indebted to you, as I have felt the community unite and speak out with and for me.
Gus's actions will tell me if he has accepted responsibility. In the next few days, if Gus keeps his word and attends to those that have been affected by the management, then he has my forgiveness. I have made many mistakes myself and have been grateful for loving friends and family that have constantly forgiven my mistakes. By no means does this mean I have forgiven him now; actions speak louder than words. However, if he does do what a reasonable person does to fix his mistakes, who are we not to forgive? I cannot force you to follow me into accepting Gus back into e-Sports, as you have the right to your opinion. Yet it is my solid belief that if he pays for his wrongs, then we as a community must forgive him.
Kind Regards,
YoonYJ
I don't understand the need to have had this put on the internet in the first place, when you are now basically saying you may be able to handle the situation between each other. Even if he pays his debts who is going to accept him back into e-sports. I understand that you were conned and want justice for what happened to you but now the internet mob is already making threats towards him. The guy is no doubt a scrum bag but now he's a scum bag with a target on his back.
I am giving you an update of how he will respond to the other people in need of help. I am not trying to force you he is not a scum bag, and not asking you accept him back into e-sports. I am holding him liable to fix his wrong doings,
Really hope the hotel situation works out with Thegunrun and his pals. TGR is a hero as he fronted Clive's bill with what he could do, he better be reimbursed in one way or another.
What we really want is Gus's head on a stick. Really. There are too many "unfortunate coincidences" with this tournament to say it was all just "poorly managed". It was a clearly a scam from the start.
On November 09 2011 14:56 shindigs wrote: Really hope the hotel situation works out with Thegunrun and his pals. TGR is a hero as he fronted Clive's bill with what he could do, he better be reimbursed in one way or another.
On November 09 2011 14:57 Newbistic wrote: What we really want is Gus's head on a stick. Really. There are too many "unfortunate coincidences" with this tournament to say it was all just "poorly managed". It was a clearly a scam from the start.
There is no doubt in my mind that what you say is 100% the Truth. Too many Coincidence thing's don't add up
Dozens of incriminating Accusations..
Don't know how anyone supports him especially after this
YJY :"I've been hearing shit from other people inside his team and out" YJY :"That he never wanted(me) to fly in the first place" YJY :"but when i spoke to him he gave me his word" YJY :"yeah but im going to be very smart about this" YJY :"i want the sponsors to see bad publicity"
I'm shocked and appalled by your actions. You and everyone responsible for this bullshit should be kicked out of eports forever. You've completely destroyed an entire region of esports and all you do is a half assed apology. Fucking bullshit.
Edit: Very grateful to thegunrun. He always seems to be the hero and I love how much he has done for the community.
Justin/GunRun, you are a hero of ESPORTS, and you are an amazing person.
I really feel bad for everyone involved, but I really REALLY feel bad for NEXSickness, as he's a recent recruit of Team AZK, and now he's going to probably suffer for this without one shred of involvement.
On November 09 2011 14:56 Belial88 wrote: I have, there's quite a lot going on but it's not always clear what's hearsay and what's true. People were claiming blizzcon was the worst tournament ever too, when people who were actually there had access to 40x the number of games and were able to watch the actual players play (basically just a security guard giving 5 feet between you and about 20 pro matches going on that weren't on the main stage).
People shat on Blizzcon because of their poor choice of matches to put on stream, and the fact that the map pool was horrible.
Apparently everything bad that happened is true? There is the tweet about gus paying the hotels bills now, apparently.
I've also never seen someone just get shat on so hard after giving an apology. Quite surprising.
I was one of the persons who was urging calm in the other thread, but he is getting shat on because he gave a very poor apology with no explanations to the numerous accusations thrown at him + his seemingly arrogant character (not arriving to the venue till 3pm, walking around with a tag saying BOSS and taking credit for organization). At this point there's no real point defending or accepting his apology until he pays for the bills and what he owes. Defending him will only get you into a flamewar with people (which was what happened to me yesterday, even yesterday, when details were still sketchy).
And even after that, I don't think he belongs in e-sports anymore frankly. Even if someone gave him a chance, there's just too big of a reputational damage.
On November 09 2011 15:11 VirgilSC2 wrote: Justin/GunRun, you are a hero of ESPORTS, and you are an amazing person.
I really feel bad for everyone involved, but I really REALLY feel bad for NEXSickness, as he's a recent recruit of Team AZK, and now he's going to probably suffer for this without one shred of involvement.
I feel bad for everyone that was thrown under the bus, by gus. Not only the innocent players, but also fans who were disheartened.
On November 09 2011 15:13 backtoback wrote: People have to wonder if IGN will EVER EVER sponsor small tournaments anymore outside of North America..
I think they will, IGN and the people at IPL are AMAZING human beings. The week I spent with them in Atlantic City was nothing short of one of the best weeks of my life.
It sucks that one asshole can ruin something for everyone... But I will actively go out of my way to avoid supporting AzK as long as this witchdoc moron is representing them.
This is the Hindenburg of apologies. You are calling it "somewhat of a success" when 13k is still owed? Dozens of people were screwed over, and you take the time to type the lamest apology ever. Thanks.
Is there a way for IGN to repurpose the funding to pay back the bill Gunrun just paid? It's not fair if he has to chase down Gus to get the money back...
On November 09 2011 15:13 backtoback wrote: People have to wonder if IGN will EVER EVER sponsor small tournaments anymore outside of North America..
I think they will, IGN and the people at IPL are AMAZING human beings. The week I spent with them in Atlantic City was nothing short of one of the best weeks of my life.
IPL is not a small tournament and it is in the states.... direct support from them
On November 09 2011 15:13 backtoback wrote: People have to wonder if IGN will EVER EVER sponsor small tournaments anymore outside of North America..
I think they will, IGN and the people at IPL are AMAZING human beings. The week I spent with them in Atlantic City was nothing short of one of the best weeks of my life.
IPL is not a small tournament and it is in the states.... direct support from them
The people at IPL are directly responsible for the support.
I'm not saying "Yes they will because they'll support IPL" The small group of people at IPL are VERY passionate about ESPORTS and reaching as much of the globe as they possibly can. I think it should go a long way to show how supportive IPL has been by looking not only at their involvement with the PPSL deal, but with the qualifiers for i44 in the UK, and I wouldn't be surprised to see more IPL involvement across the globe.
Well that certainly was an empty, self-serving non-explanation that didn't address anyone's concerns. Recommend lifetime ban from ESPORTS for this douchelord.
Just saw an interview with David Ting, head of the IPL. He said that his staff was telling him that supporting PPSL was a bad idea. David said that they should just trust PPSL and Team AZK. He said now that things have turned out the way they did, he won't sponsor someone without proof that they are capable.
On November 09 2011 15:13 backtoback wrote: People have to wonder if IGN will EVER EVER sponsor small tournaments anymore outside of North America..
I think they will, IGN and the people at IPL are AMAZING human beings. The week I spent with them in Atlantic City was nothing short of one of the best weeks of my life.
IPL is not a small tournament and it is in the states.... direct support from them
Based on what David Ting said on vVv's interview (which many might not have watched), that seems to be IPL's intended strategy for the growth of esports. They'll probably be a lot more careful in picking partners though.
What really bothers me about this thread is that he's trying to take responsibility without actually taking responsibility.
There is no "we" in this, Gus. There is only you. Everyone else was looking up to you to lead this event, and you failed fucking miserably. And even now, when you had a chance to just flat out say "I was the one to fuck up," you can't even grow a fucking pair and do that. You have to hide behind the PPSL so that it doesn't look like it's entirely your mess. That's how immature you truly are. Everyone knows it's your fault, everyone is pointing the finger directly at you, and yet your whole apology says "sorry that we fucked up."
Your parents should be ashamed. They raised one hell of a rotten egg.
On November 09 2011 15:27 VirgilSC2 wrote: I want to know if MarineKing will still get a slot at IPL 4 for winning this event.
He and Moon will probably get the slots. IPL are still supporting the event (indirectly) through the funds that they have already given and also the fact that they will be getting the replays from PPSL to cast on their stream.
I'm not sure how much of this was a scam in the sense that the intent was to swindle money in some deliberate way. I do think that you had someone who wasn't vetted, who had a lot of authority that they were in no way prepared to deal with, who has probably spent most of their life, through a mixture of bs and bluster, trying to appear more than they are, and never learning how to do things the proper way. This apology is defined primarily by what it doesn't address or say.
The proper response would require a lot more contrition, but at a bare minimum it would require him stopping down from any position of authority and being absolutely transparent.
On November 09 2011 15:27 VirgilSC2 wrote: I want to know if MarineKing will still get a slot at IPL 4 for winning this event.
He and Moon will probably get the slots. IPL are still supporting the event (indirectly) through the funds that they have already given and also the fact that they will be getting the replays from PPSL to cast on their stream.
if anything IGN will give seeds to Moon and MarineKing for having to endure such a shittily run tournament with dodgy management
TargA declined his invitation to the Pacific Qualifiers due to university exams. YoonYJ is next in line for the seat. Instead of approaching YoonYJ, Gus offered mOOnGLaDe a qualifying spot and paid flights/accommodation, on the condition that he is required to join Team AZK. (GLaDe declined) If your mind hasn't started connecting the dots yet, just consider their alleged acquisition of viOlet and now NEXSickness. Also ex-WeMadeFOX players Moon and Soccer being tagged as AZK players. Yeah.
ZenDeX Philippines. November 08 2011 10:11. Posts 2722 PM Profile Blog Quote # On November 08 2011 09:59 Dox wrote: Instead of approaching YoonYJ, Gus speaks directly to mOOnGLaDe - attempting to bribe him with a qualifying spot and paid flights/accommodation. If mOOnGLaDe accepts, he is required to represent Team AZK at the event, and join the team for 3 months. (GLaDe declined)
He tried to pull the same shit on my players. Zzzzzz
Oh and did i forget to mention he also Screwed over 4 players from Team Cube in the Phillipines who also qualified for the Tournament and were supposed to have flights to get there but Guess what.
Gus pilfered the money from the Flights and used it to fly his own Players to the Tournament
TL;DR Gus Bribed Players to take tournament Spots that other players had already Qualified and were rightfully supposed to be granted a plane ticket to the event.
Those Plane Tickets Guess what; Gus never ended up Getting around to that because he was too busy dodging the constant concerns that YJY had voice about whether Gus was going to send him to the Tournament or Not
Meanwhile Gus was too busy Bribing MoonGlade with a Spot on Team AZK.. To Take YJY's Spot in the Tournament.....
oh yeah and here's the Chat of YJY voicing His Concerns about Gus's Little Con-Artist Scam
YJY :"I've been hearing shit from other people inside his team and out" YJY :"That he never wanted(me) to fly in the first place" YJY :"but when i spoke to him he gave me his word" YJY :"yeah but im going to be very smart about this" YJY :"i want the sponsors to see bad publicity"
Gus AKA(WitchDoc) :"GL with that"
I'm just gonna have to say that i'm guessing those Plane Tickets he never ended up paying for actually were spent on Sending his own AZK Teammates to the Event....
Because Gus's only Excuse for not Sending the Players that were promised flights is..... sadly a Pathetic Excuse
Gus's Excuse....
YoJun was considered as the replacement to attend the event alongside David "arcMSIRossi" Rossi. However, there were a few complications associated with funding (not IPL's fault), and subsequently, I was unable to send him to the event. For that, we deeply apologize and wish YoJun the best in his future endeavors. He will be compensated for flights and accommodations in the future;
Oh yeah he forgot to mention bribing MoonGlade to take JYJ's Spot because he's a Fucking Lying Pos
On November 09 2011 14:37 YoonYJ wrote: I have spoken to Gus about the matter and I am glad to say that he has apologised for his actions. He has given me my word that I will be compensated at a sum of $1600AU, which was the estimated cost of the flight by next year February 15th. The reason for this is because he will be dealing with all the other financial issues at hand which is currently happening in the Philippines as you guys probably have heard of share my disappointment.
Gus, you literally disgust me-- I am literally sick to my stomach after all the shit you've done. You make Deezer look like Sheth. Good job. Go fuck yourself. And pay up.
On November 09 2011 15:27 VirgilSC2 wrote: I want to know if MarineKing will still get a slot at IPL 4 for winning this event.
Pretty sure the results of the tourney still apply. It's not like the unabashed criminality of the organizers completely putrefied the play by the entrants or anything.
On November 09 2011 14:37 YoonYJ wrote: I have spoken to Gus about the matter and I am glad to say that he has apologised for his actions. He has given me my word that I will be compensated at a sum of $1600AU, which was the estimated cost of the flight by next year February 15th. The reason for this is because he will be dealing with all the other financial issues at hand which is currently happening in the Philippines as you guys probably have heard of share my disappointment.
Considering Glade was offered a flight and the money was supposedly put aside for Targa's ticket in the first place you're being VERY generous with the Feb 'deadline'.
In all likelihood it's just a delaying tactic till the heat wears off and he can disappear, if he won't stick to a contract his word's worth even less.
Gus your apology sounds insincere to be honest. Nevermind that, you still have a lot of shit to answer for. You gave your fellow Filipinos a bad image and it's really shameful.
Nakakahiya ka bro. Wala man lang respeto sa ibang tao. Sa totoo lang dapat mawala ka na sa esports sa mga maraming pagkakamali na nagawa mo.
What is the $12,000 about. Everyone references it but I can't find it. Also what's this about nexsickness and the other korean being taken as azk members, or something?
Why isnt gus posting here (yea obvious answer i suppose).
I know people who have died for less than $12,000. There has to be a reason why either: a. Gus isn't sitting in a jail cell right now b. someone hasn't flat out killed him.
I guess b is more to do with shady business, you know, but someone stealing $12k sounds pretty damn shady in itself.
On November 09 2011 15:46 Belial88 wrote: What is the $12,000 about. Everyone references it but I can't find it. Also what's this about nexsickness and the other korean being taken as azk members, or something?
Why isnt gus posting here (yea obvious answer i suppose).
I know people who have died for less than $12,000. There has to be a reason why either: a. Gus isn't sitting in a jail cell right now b. someone hasn't flat out killed him.
I guess b is more to do with shady business, you know, but someone stealing $12k sounds pretty damn shady in itself.
What a loser. Can't even do simple management things. Sounds more like he's been lackadaisical than anything. Does this guy even have a boss? He needs to settle payments and then get fired. I don't even think he can fix all the shit he's screwed up. Someone with the authority needs to step in.
On November 09 2011 15:46 Belial88 wrote: What is the $12,000 about. Everyone references it but I can't find it. Also what's this about nexsickness and the other korean being taken as azk members, or something?
Why isnt gus posting here (yea obvious answer i suppose).
I know people who have died for less than $12,000. There has to be a reason why either: a. Gus isn't sitting in a jail cell right now b. someone hasn't flat out killed him.
I guess b is more to do with shady business, you know, but someone stealing $12k sounds pretty damn shady in itself.
Erm if you scroll around the first 2 or 3 pages you'll find it. Amanda (the travel agent) owes the travel agency 12k for flights.
Honestly if you want to know the details of this whole situation, just go through XRaDiiX's post history. I'm sure he's posted the links to all the info you need... multiple times.
On November 09 2011 15:48 Lunaro wrote: Honestly if you want to know the details of this whole situation, just go through XRaDiiX's post history. I'm sure he's posted the links to all the info you need... multiple times.
On November 09 2011 15:46 Belial88 wrote: What is the $12,000 about. Everyone references it but I can't find it. Also what's this about nexsickness and the other korean being taken as azk members, or something?
Why isnt gus posting here (yea obvious answer i suppose).
I know people who have died for less than $12,000. There has to be a reason why either: a. Gus isn't sitting in a jail cell right now b. someone hasn't flat out killed him.
I guess b is more to do with shady business, you know, but someone stealing $12k sounds pretty damn shady in itself.
Its this comment posted by thegunrun
On November 09 2011 12:29 TheGunrun wrote: I'm here with the Amanda (travel desk for AZK) and Clive (assistent manager for AZK), in the hotel right now. Clive was asked to sign for the hotels, Amanda was the travel agent who issued the tickets for most of the talent and players. Amanda post paid for the tickets with the agency, if Gus doens't pay her the agency can run after her and put her in jail. Clive's hotel debt is 37,000 Pesos ($900~) & Amanda's agency debt is 516,000 Pesos. ($12,000~)
Gus is not appearing nor answering.
Clive is stuck here in the hotel till we get this solved today.
On November 09 2011 15:50 sereniity wrote: Wait.... MKP won this event? Kind of ironic that when MKP finally wins an event, it's a shitfest like this so nobody even notices hahaha...
I really hate the phrase "this is hurting esports!" but I may have to make an exception for this.
Gus is either a criminal or just plain stupid. I hope for his sake that his eyes were just too big for his stomach in organising this, rather than the idea that he has had sinister intentions.
I'm so shattered, especially as an Australian, at the reflection this has on the SEA esports scene. Hopefully it gets sorted out in the next few days.
On November 09 2011 15:55 HystericaLaughter wrote: I really hate the phrase "this is hurting esports!" but I may have to make an exception for this.
Gus is either a criminal or just plain stupid. I hope for his sake that his eyes were just too big for his stomach in organising this, rather than the idea that he has had sinister intentions.
I'm so shattered, especially as an Australian, at the reflection this has on the SEA esports scene. Hopefully it gets sorted out in the next few days.
He is both. I've seen him in action. He's more than a criminal and an idiot.
This is the apology we've been waiting more than 24 hours for? Yeah... this guy needs to pay everyone back everything that he owes, and then leave ESPORTs forever... this is truly a mess...
Imagine were we would be right now if it wasn't for heroes like Gunrun... at least they're there, trying to fix this situation truly, thanks to those that are really trying their hardest to fix this guy's mistakes, we all truly appreciate your sacrifices.
You screwed rivals out of a tournament, favored your players, screwed over the HoN community, and still owe some serious change. "Sorry I'm corrupt and embarrassed the Filipino scene on the international stage" does not actually DO anything. This isn't fooling anyone. Step it up and make things right instead of just trying to save face. Then, and only then are you actually going to be able to salvage something out of this trainwreck.
Get very, very far away from anyone who ever played Starcraft, Gus. The next time you show your face in public had better be immediately preceded by your hands extended forward, holding all the money you've made off with and begging for forgiveness.
On November 09 2011 16:21 Puph wrote: I'd like to point out that the majority of witchdoc's post was him thanking the various people involved with the event.
On November 09 2011 12:32 AZKwitchdoc wrote: Greetings,
First and foremost, the PPSL would like to formally screw everyone (IGN, our sponsors, the players, organisers, special guests and the viewers) who were involved with the IPL4 Pacific Qualifiers. The PPSL takes full responsibility for the way everything was ruined, and would like to make it clear that it was no one else's fault but ours.
We would now like to clarify a few things that many people have asked about concerning individuals not being able to attend the event.
As most people know, the event has suffered from management problems that we are responsible for and am trying to deal with accordingly. I apologise if this has angered the e-sports communities, that have been affected by this.
There has also been talk about other tournaments not releasing their cash prizes on time; I would like to reassure everyone that the cash prizes were NOT given out to all the winners of the tournament as soon as the tournament ended.
To the members of Team Cube, we apologize for not being able to fly your players over to the event; I feel bad about you guys not being here; in the future we will try our utmost best to invite you to events as compensation for your team not being represented at the event.
To the Players for the HONslaught event; I would like to apologize for not being able to accommodate you guys during the IPL 4 Pacific Qualifier event; our sponsors (S2 Games) have decided to postpone the tournament to a later date.
We would also like to personally apologize to the following people for fucking them over.
- "TorcH"(Ops Manager) - "SeltzerPlease" (Host) - Allyn (Host) - "Artosis" (Caster) - "Tasteless" (Caster) - "CheekyDuck" (Caster) - "LiviBee" (Caster) - "The GunRun" (Stream Support) - KTgameone (Stream Support) - All of our sponsors and partners
and last but not the least
- Staff and Crew from the PPSL and Team AZK
Our intention was to steal all your money, and ruin esports, and we understand that we have achieved such feats. We are not sorry for the way these issues have popped up at this event and i know for a fact that all the major tournaments experienced some of the issues that we experienced as well.
I hope that this clears some of the confusion that has been going around, mainly about us.
Fixed.
This apology is pathetic, you screwed over the casters, the players from around the world, who practice day and night for this, it's their lives. The staff work their asses off day and night as well for preparations, keeping the games running, and making everything flow smoothly. And you make this off as a joke as you laugh your way to the bank.
Welp, Hell is a pretty large place, so I'm not worried about these events, all will turn out fine in the end amirite?
On November 09 2011 14:37 YoonYJ wrote: I have spoken to Gus about the matter and I am glad to say that he has apologised for his actions. He has given me my word that I will be compensated at a sum of $1600AU, which was the estimated cost of the flight by next year February 15th. The reason for this is because he will be dealing with all the other financial issues at hand which is currently happening in the Philippines as you guys probably have heard of share my disappointment.
This is disgusting, I feel sorry for David Ting, the guy has an inspirational story, did an awesome job at IPL 1,2 & 3 and now gets shafted by this event.
On November 09 2011 15:23 Shel wrote: Just saw an interview with David Ting, head of the IPL. He said that his staff was telling him that supporting PPSL was a bad idea. David said that they should just trust PPSL and Team AZK. He said now that things have turned out the way they did, he won't sponsor someone without proof that they are capable.
Is this guy for real? He either needs to be fired for incompetence or prosecuted for breaking contracts (or both). If ESports is ever going to be taken seriously these things can't happen. When was the last time you heard about a professional sports team breaking a contract without repercussions?
i love how in your apology you kept saying "We". mate what do you mean WE? it was all YOU! and you referred to "the future". i don't know what planet you're on to think there will be "future" events affiliated with your name.
My guess is he has $X cash from sponsors, and $(X-Y) expenses. Using scabness and lies he tries to make $Y as big as possible as this is the amount he can personally pocket.
On November 09 2011 14:37 YoonYJ wrote: I have spoken to Gus about the matter and I am glad to say that he has apologised for his actions. He has given me my word that I will be compensated at a sum of $1600AU, which was the estimated cost of the flight by next year February 15th. The reason for this is because he will be dealing with all the other financial issues at hand which is currently happening in the Philippines as you guys probably have heard of share my disappointment.
I am grateful for all of those that have supported me in the past few days; I remember every one of you that have spoken out, messaged me personally, and have even apologised for something their country has done (which I have replied this matter has nothing to do with the Philippines). To these people I would like to say I am indebted to you, as I have felt the community unite and speak out with and for me.
Gus's actions will tell me if he has accepted responsibility. In the next few days, if Gus keeps his word and attends to those that have been affected by the management, then he has my forgiveness. I have made many mistakes myself and have been grateful for loving friends and family that have constantly forgiven my mistakes. By no means does this mean I have forgiven him now; actions speak louder than words. However, if he does do what a reasonable person does to fix his mistakes, who are we not to forgive? I cannot force you to follow me into accepting Gus back into e-Sports, as you have the right to your opinion. Yet it is my solid belief that if he pays for his wrongs, then we as a community must forgive him.
Kind Regards,
YoonYJ
You sir are very classy. I am glad there is people like you in the community.
On November 09 2011 15:16 SupLilSon wrote: It sucks that one asshole can ruin something for everyone... But I will actively go out of my way to avoid supporting AzK as long as this witchdoc moron is representing them.
a money laundering moron as their representative to a clan full of trolls.
On November 09 2011 15:16 SupLilSon wrote: It sucks that one asshole can ruin something for everyone... But I will actively go out of my way to avoid supporting AzK as long as this witchdoc moron is representing them.
a money laundering moron as their representative to a clan full of trolls.
add that together and you get AZK
I actually don't think its all of AZK that is bad, and only some. But this witchdoc dude is a waste of matter.
On November 09 2011 16:43 Mithriel wrote: He says prizemoney got paid, but can anyone verify this? Just wondering
nVidia handed out the prize money on stage right after the finals.
But that's just the fake ceremony cheque I assume, IEM does that instantly yet prizemoney takes months
Nah, they actually handed them an envelope with the money inside. So at least that's legit since it came directly from the sponsors and into the player.
On November 09 2011 15:23 Shel wrote: Just saw an interview with David Ting, head of the IPL. He said that his staff was telling him that supporting PPSL was a bad idea. David said that they should just trust PPSL and Team AZK. He said now that things have turned out the way they did, he won't sponsor someone without proof that they are capable.
On November 09 2011 16:43 Mithriel wrote: He says prizemoney got paid, but can anyone verify this? Just wondering
nVidia handed out the prize money on stage right after the finals.
But that's just the fake ceremony cheque I assume, IEM does that instantly yet prizemoney takes months
I saw them handing out cash envelopes. I thought it was too thin, but I'm being told I was just too far away to see how thick it was. A guy from nVidia handed out money to Sen and MKP. Moon wasn't there at the awarding ceremony. But it's legit they handed out money.
Who exactly do you mean by "the PPSL" and "we", when we have gotten numerous statements from your staff that they themselves were screwed over? Who is this "we"?
Will we ever get a clear explanation over what happened and where the money for the flights that were cancelled were spent on? All I hear is "WE'RE sorry", but no explanation. You were "sorry" that you didn't send team cube to Manila and you "feel bad" for them, but you didn't say why exactly you were not able to get them the flights. Where did that money go? Also, if you were having so much problems in the venue and if time was such an issue, why didn't you show up to the event until 3pm? We at the venue were screwed over especially in Day 1 because the staff didn't have directions from anyone and didn't know what to do.
You did not provide any new information in your statement. You wrote a bunch of words about how sorry you are then concluded that you hope it explains everything. That doesn't make much sense. You must think we're fools if you actually thought this solved anything.
Also, can we get an update on the hotel situation. I think this is the most serious one, since someone can actually get into trouble with the authority over not paying this.
Lol. So it seems the internet mob is pretty harsh in general. For those that don't agree with it though... I don't think we should forgive him quite yet and I never think we should let this guy run another tournament again.... ever, even if he apologizes. The fact of the matter is that as of posting this apology there were and probably still are things that are unsolved. He has the poorest leadership skills of anyone I've ever heard of in the eSports community. The community is supposed to accept an apology when it contains an explanation of why things happened and that it was reasonable... but this apology just seems to continually go back to how difficult it is to run tournaments. The fact of the matter is that there are still some important things to address and the timing of the apology itself implies poor, self directed leadership on its own, at the very least. Think about this, how could gus not know about the situation clive and amanda are in with the hotel bill? From the conversation of someone telling him it sounded like he was pretending not to know. Don't you think Clive and Amanda have called him?
On November 09 2011 17:09 zeOllie wrote: Loada shit.
Why don't you fix up all your shit before you make a crappy apology.
i agree. go apologise by putting things back in place for those you directly affected. there's a bloody 5-digit debt piled up and you're here on TL apologising to the community right now which tbh are the least of your concerns atm
Ok people. A quick update on Amanda, who I am speaking to right now. She is in a lot of financial trouble right now. Does anyone know how I can get in contact with David Ting ?
On November 09 2011 17:12 YoonYJ wrote: Ok people. A quick update on Amanda, who I am speaking to right now. She is in a lot of financial trouble right now. Does anyone know how I can get in contact with David Ting ?
I'll see if I can ping anyone.
Edit: I don't know David Ting but I will pass the msg along.
On November 09 2011 17:05 Arrietty wrote: Who exactly do you mean by "the PPSL" and "we", when we have gotten numerous statements from your staff that they themselves were screwed over? Who is this "we"?
Will we ever get a clear explanation over what happened and where the money for the flights that were cancelled were spent on? All I hear is "WE'RE sorry", but no explanation. You were "sorry" that you didn't send team cube to Manila and you "feel bad" for them, but you didn't say why exactly you were not able to get them the flights. Where did that money go? Also, if you were having so much problems in the venue and if time was such an issue, why didn't you show up to the event until 3pm? We at the venue were screwed over especially in Day 1 because the staff didn't have directions from anyone and didn't know what to do.
You did not provide any new information in your statement. You wrote a bunch of words about how sorry you are then concluded that you hope it explains everything. That doesn't make much sense. You must think we're fools if you actually thought this solved anything.
Also, can we get an update on the hotel situation. I think this is the most serious one, since someone can actually get into trouble with the authority over not paying this.
Apparently it was being settled.
In response to Chad_Hardcastle Chad Hardcastle @livvybean It is one thing to sort out the hotel bill, but if he doesnt sort out the flights, it won't bode well.
We have livvybean LiviBee @Chad_Hardcastle His doing that now I'm sitting here with Amanda and clive
This was about 2 hours ago. Not sure how how it's going though.
On November 09 2011 17:12 YoonYJ wrote: Ok people. A quick update on Amanda, who I am speaking to right now. She is in a lot of financial trouble right now. Does anyone know how I can get in contact with David Ting ?
Isn't Gus supposed to be at the hotel already with Amanda and Clive to settle things?
(and sorry I don't know how to contact David Ting)
On November 09 2011 17:12 YoonYJ wrote: Ok people. A quick update on Amanda, who I am speaking to right now. She is in a lot of financial trouble right now. Does anyone know how I can get in contact with David Ting ?
Isn't Gus supposed to be at the hotel already with Amanda and Clive to settle things?
(and sorry I don't know how to contact David Ting)
Don't worry, Diamond's on the case. I guess that means Gus couldn't settle the bills, or was hoping for the IPL money to come in to help him settle it. Maybe if the money is wired to her rather than Gus, David might help her out.
On November 09 2011 17:12 YoonYJ wrote: Ok people. A quick update on Amanda, who I am speaking to right now. She is in a lot of financial trouble right now. Does anyone know how I can get in contact with David Ting ?
it's 3 am on the east coast of the US right now - i wouldn't expect it to be possible to get in touch with him for another 6-12 hours
Yes, but she has been telling me she is scared of being jailed right now as only a portion has been repaid in terms of debt. I need a sponsor to help out; there will be benefits in terms of publicity for this (probably more effective than any promotion). If not then Dox and I will ask the community to help us solve this issue financially.
On November 09 2011 17:12 YoonYJ wrote: Ok people. A quick update on Amanda, who I am speaking to right now. She is in a lot of financial trouble right now. Does anyone know how I can get in contact with David Ting ?
it's 3 am on the east coast of the US right now - i wouldn't expect it to be possible to get in touch with him for another 6-12 hours
On November 09 2011 17:16 YoonYJ wrote: Yes, but she has been telling me she is scared of being jailed right now as only a portion has been repaid in terms of debt. I need a sponsor to help out; there will be benefits in terms of publicity for this (probably more effective than any promotion). If not then Dox and I will ask the community to help us solve this issue financially.
If the players that won are there could ask them to use the prize money that they supposedly received already with a promise from IPL that they will get paid back once all this crap is sorted out?
shitty apology, keep trying to tend the responsibilities to the others when it's your fault and shit. Why don't you just fucking take it like a man ? What a asshole
This apology is laughable, the fact that he would even offer this half-assed apology thinking it will change anything... he's a bigger idiot than I originally thought. He's dug too big a whole this time and there's no getting out of it!
On November 09 2011 17:12 YoonYJ wrote: Ok people. A quick update on Amanda, who I am speaking to right now. She is in a lot of financial trouble right now. Does anyone know how I can get in contact with David Ting ?
it's 3 am on the east coast of the US right now - i wouldn't expect it to be possible to get in touch with him for another 6-12 hours
I think David and IGN are based in California.
then it's midnight there right now
i couldn't tell you what his hours are, i don't work for ign
i'm just letting you know that most people in the US are sleeping right now, so it might be tough to find him
On November 09 2011 17:19 Kamais_Ookin wrote: This is one of the funniest threads I've read in a long time, can't stop laughing!
it's actually not funny at all - he just scammed our community for $13k+
Okay just an update, this is really quite serious. I know it was announced several hours ago that Gus was on his way to the hotel to sort things out, but the travel expenses are still outstanding.
This is a message from Amanda who is possibly facing jail if this is not resolved imminently:
I issued a total of php 715,000 worth of tickets. 200,000 has been paid, so the outstanding debt is close to php 516,000. Told gunrun already and like im really hoping people in the community can help as being jailed is a possibility for me. I am connected to a travel agency that is why.
This needs to be RESOLVED before someone goes to jail.
On November 09 2011 17:16 YoonYJ wrote: Yes, but she has been telling me she is scared of being jailed right now as only a portion has been repaid in terms of debt. I need a sponsor to help out; there will be benefits in terms of publicity for this (probably more effective than any promotion). If not then Dox and I will ask the community to help us solve this issue financially.
Aye, I'll help donate what little I have, I'm sure the community will help!
lawl while this guy is the most hated person in the Esports community and he owes $12900 USD to people/hotels he is sitting at a computer (probably one he just bought with all the money he scammed out of people) and making some bullshit apology... This is just ridiculous...
On November 09 2011 16:43 Mithriel wrote: He says prizemoney got paid, but can anyone verify this? Just wondering
nVidia handed out the prize money on stage right after the finals.
But that's just the fake ceremony cheque I assume, IEM does that instantly yet prizemoney takes months
I saw them handing out cash envelopes. I thought it was too thin, but I'm being told I was just too far away to see how thick it was. A guy from nVidia handed out money to Sen and MKP. Moon wasn't there at the awarding ceremony. But it's legit they handed out money.
The sponsor really was there.
Cool thats at least somewhat reassuring the players didnt get screwed for their hard work.
This post is 2 hours old, and I apologise in advance if this has already been posted here (I read the first 10 pages but really can't be bothered reading another 10 pages of what I assume will be very similar posts).
On November 09 2011 17:27 Crixx wrote: This post is 2 hours old, and I apologise in advance if this has already been posted here (I read the first 10 pages but really can't be bothered reading another 10 pages of what I assume will be very similar posts).
On November 09 2011 17:27 Crixx wrote: This post is 2 hours old, and I apologise in advance if this has already been posted here (I read the first 10 pages but really can't be bothered reading another 10 pages of what I assume will be very similar posts).
"Gus has arrived to sort out hotel bill - RT please"
Can only hope this leads to some form of resolution to this whole mess, at the very least keeping innocent people out of prison.
Sadly, the last page has been the discussion of how the hotel bill has not been sorted out . It's moments like this I wish I could do more than just hope for the best ...
I wonder if there are any legally binding contracts signed as to what the organisation was supposed to deliver with the money. For some reason i cannot believe that a huge organisation like IPL just says " here's $ 50k have fun".
(im no expert in organizing esport events, but just wondering there must be some safety before handing out money?)
On November 09 2011 17:33 Mithriel wrote: I wonder if there are any legally binding contracts signed as to what the organisation was supposed to deliver with the money. For some reason i cannot believe that a huge organisation like IPL just says " here's $ 50k have fun".
(im no expert in organizing esport events, but just wondering there must be some safety before handing out money?)
I'd imagine they had some legally binding paperwork that would prevent an essentially blank check. But there's still the problem of the people who will get screwed immediately (read Amanda).
Though I'm sure that after this settles a bit and IPL discusses what they'll do next, legal action will follow. $13k does not simply disappear.
On November 09 2011 17:37 Sky101 wrote: Someone start a donation thread asap!
As much as I love the responsibility, maturity and just overall care of our community, be careful with these things.
Though to be honest, I'm really worried about the people who are just caught up in this whole mess doing their job, they seriously have been fucked over so hard .
On November 09 2011 17:37 Sky101 wrote: Someone start a donation thread asap!
Not until we get official word that this is required, but if it comes to that I sincerely hope the community can come together and sort this shit out as a worst case scenario.
I do not know the law in manila but from judging what I have heard the law isnt like what it is in australia. A message from Amanda:
He said hell try to get me the payment due to me because we are friends and he doesnt want me to lose faith... This is why i had to take measures and inform gunrun and gunrun let me speak to david ting this morning Yes he said hes fonna get me the fund to pay the 516
On November 09 2011 17:38 YoonYJ wrote: There is some time to see our options, she has told me it is due on the 21st.
Who's personally liable if it can't be produced? - Gus - Amanda - Some company
?
Err I'm not so sure about ph laws but sounds like Amanda alone is liable cuz she put her own name when paying or something. In America/Canada, I know that for a fact verbal contracts have legal binding, so she can defer the liability onto Gus or something, but yea since its in ph, i have no clue how the laws there work.
I am guessing that Amanda served as a guarantor for the agency/tickets if she worked there. The 200k php is most likely the downpayment/upfront cash with the promise the rest would be settled during or after the event.
However, I am not aware of travel agencies giving out tickets and having you use them without being fully paid for it, unless Amanda is acquainted/related to the travel agency. That's the only way I can really get how the whole balance for the airfare can come about.
As for paperwork, I am a bit doubtful there is a paper trail.
My guess is also, before IPL reimburses Amanda for the remainder of the amount she is claiming, they would need copies of the tickets/flight itenerary that was confirmed/used and who they were named to to confirm legitimacy.
Gus doesn't appear to be showing us books of expenses so IPL just needs other sources of legitimate paperwork so they reimburse them.
On November 09 2011 17:40 YoonYJ wrote: I do not know the law in manila but from judging what I have heard the law isnt like what it is in australia. A message from Amanda:
He said hell try to get me the payment due to me because we are friends and he doesnt want me to lose faith... This is why i had to take measures and inform gunrun and gunrun let me speak to david ting this morning Yes he said hes fonna get me the fund to pay the 516
Sounds like the girl was yet another victim of this shiester.
Anyway if there is a donation thread later, someone please be kind enough to pm me with the link. I don't really follow these topics in the sub forums, I only go to tl.net to read progaming news and results and shit. These topics only caught my interest because of the IPL's message to the community being on the front page of tl.net.
PPSL just tweeted: Please support us and the PPSL and the awesome set of games that were played. This wouldn't be all possible without Gus leading the way.
"Yo dawgs, that didn't really go well here lol sry... but let me throw some organisations and people in this post, who actually do a part of what I was supposed to do, just so my post contains positive stuff... kthxbye..."
Edit: @ twitter message: wow.. I am speechless... Is he now trying to get everyone to be so pissed, they later think "well, maybe I overreacted a little bit?"
Holy shit, I look away for a few hours, and it's gotten this bad?
Glad to know the players have been paid at least. But this is a fiasco. Best of luck to Amanda. If donations are needed, I'm sure the community can scrounge up some cash.
Oh man..... this guy..... has absolutely no shame. He first shits out an "apology", which overall I was okay with (hey, everyone want's the PR to be half decent).
But now, after all of this shit, he has the audacity to break out this message? I just don't even know anymore
On November 09 2011 17:49 babylon wrote: Holy shit, I look away for a few hours, and it's gotten this bad?
Glad to know the players have been paid at least. But this is a fiasco. Best of luck to Amanda. If donations are needed, I'm sure the community can scrounge up some cash.
I think we've been lucky with this. In the other thread (I think I have both open now), this seems to have been cleared up and Amanda has been able to contact David Ting and the money seems to be able to work out.
I'd like to help, maybe loan some of the money until IGN can reimburse the funds but 1. 500k php is not chump change (my credit card maxes out way below that) and 2. The amount isn't something you can loan out without a 100% guarantee of reimbursement.
Based on whats been posted here, I really doubt that anyone will ever see their money.. To think that the guy has the nerve to just straight up lie about all this and then do a twitter-message like that, during all of this?
I'm thinking this guy may be a psycopath of some sorts..
On November 09 2011 17:53 rijndael wrote: I'd like to help, maybe loan some of the money until IGN can reimburse the funds but 1. 500k php is not chump change (my credit card maxes out way below that) and 2. The amount isn't something you can loan out without a 100% guarantee of reimbursement.
I think she just wants a backup line of funds in case Gus fucks her over. Sounds like that. Anyway she said she has till the 21st, so I guess we can all breathe a sigh of relief for the moment.
Instead of donating to pay to get Amanda out of trouble, how about we donate to arrange a debt collector to find him and make him pay instead, I think it would be cheaper and would be more just for all the parties involved.
Instead of donating to pay to get Amanda out of trouble, how about we donate to arrange a debt collector to find him and make him pay instead, I think it would be cheaper and would be more just for all the parties involved.
1. The problem with the issue with Amanda is its doubtful she has a legally binding contract that states that Gus is the one that is assigned to pay the obligations and that she is merely a representative.
2. They most likely are not legally registered as a corporation or group with the government, which means the heirarchy of manager, travel agent, staff etc can be something that is denied and claimed as heresay if it were to reach court.
3. If ever she has a document that states such, I doubt it is a notarized contract but simply an agreement that is most likely a photocopy only and not a certified true copy. (She trusted in Gus too much)
4. I really have trouble understanding and comprehending how in the world Amanda willingly signed for 700k php worth of travel tickets as a guarantor without expressly writing that Gus is also party to it. I mean, the statement of Gus that he didn't have credit card to present for the rooms was already weird to begin with. (Credit card companies actually sometimes dole out cards eventhough you don't apply for them here in the Philippines so I doubt Gus doesn't have even 1 - which also weirds me out that Clide didn't find that suspucious).
We have a saying here in the Philippines: "Walang maloloko kung walang magpapaloko" (No one will be tricked if no one lets themselves be tricked)
I feel sorry for Amanda, Clive and the rest of the guys who stepped up to make it work but now it seems like Gus didn't really present himself or any company under his name (as a proprietor) to front (Such as an event organizing company/body) for the whole thing and he used various individuals and had non-recorded verbal arrangements with some of them.
On November 09 2011 17:53 rijndael wrote: I'd like to help, maybe loan some of the money until IGN can reimburse the funds but 1. 500k php is not chump change (my credit card maxes out way below that) and 2. The amount isn't something you can loan out without a 100% guarantee of reimbursement.
What was the point in this post? "I'd like to help you but i wont cos i cant trust u and dont actually have money, LOL!" ...I dont get it.
This guy is a fucking joke anyway, cant believe the shit he's pulling. Hope it all gets sorted and best of luck to whoever is still in the shit, at the very least i hope you get to squeeze his balls.
On November 09 2011 17:53 rijndael wrote: I'd like to help, maybe loan some of the money until IGN can reimburse the funds but 1. 500k php is not chump change (my credit card maxes out way below that) and 2. The amount isn't something you can loan out without a 100% guarantee of reimbursement.
What was the point in this post? "I'd like to help you but i wont cos i cant trust u and dont actually have money, LOL!" ...I dont get it.
This guy is a fucking joke anyway, cant believe the shit he's pulling. Hope it all gets sorted and best of luck to whoever is still in the shit, at the very least i hope you get to squeeze his balls.
On November 09 2011 17:12 YoonYJ wrote: Ok people. A quick update on Amanda, who I am speaking to right now. She is in a lot of financial trouble right now. Does anyone know how I can get in contact with David Ting ?
it's 3 am on the east coast of the US right now - i wouldn't expect it to be possible to get in touch with him for another 6-12 hours
I think David and IGN are based in California.
then it's midnight there right now
i couldn't tell you what his hours are, i don't work for ign
i'm just letting you know that most people in the US are sleeping right now, so it might be tough to find him
Its amazing how you guys want to help Amanda. Amazing hearts in your chests right there. From a Filipino SC2 fan, thank you. EDIT: I do agree with the guy who posted here though, that its not necessary, donations and whatnot. She still has time and Gus is still with TheGunRun AFAIK.
There are so many of us over here that have that same kind of heart and spirit of community. That's why what happened really hurt us; we want to be part of the best esports community. We can be. There are many of us directly trying to help as well. I know people scrambling to get answers and things done. I hope this clears up soon so we can get back to trying to build bridges and enjoying great games both local and international.
oh and if Gus is really trying to scam someone and wants to get away with it think he came to the wrong place. ive seen the forum sherlocks solve way harder cases. you dont fuck with nerds.
On November 09 2011 18:10 Dundron2000 wrote: Why on earth would anybody be talking about raising donations at this stage? That will just make Gus think he doesnt have to come up with the money.
Gus Prolly heading to the hotel to drink it all off instead of repaying the hotel LOL
What was the point in this post? "I'd like to help you but i wont cos i cant trust u and dont actually have money, LOL!" ...I dont get it.
This guy is a fucking joke anyway, cant believe the shit he's pulling. Hope it all gets sorted and best of luck to whoever is still in the shit, at the very least i hope you get to squeeze his balls.
I posted this because if jailtime really came into play, then yes, i am willing to loan out some of the cash to help, but as i said, 500k is hard to shoulder alone (that's almost a year's salary here). I was just doing this as a gesture, but since Amanda has until the 21st, then i guess there really was no point, was there?
I'm just curious if the travel agency she contacted was locally based here in the Philippines.
Instead of donating to pay to get Amanda out of trouble, how about we donate to arrange a debt collector to find him and make him pay instead, I think it would be cheaper and would be more just for all the parties involved.
I hope people would understand that the Philippine Starcraft Community is pretty fragmented. Most of us play because we played Broodwar. There's no national league and the internet cafes that have Starcraft are few and far in between. This event could've been really good for the community(and if i didn't have to go to work, i would have been there too), but because someone decided to be incredibly greedy and/or incompetent (from what I gather), it all just got messed up.
I know that the international community does not think much of the Philippines in terms of e-sport potential if at all, and rarely does it show up in TL aside from the occasional Manny Pacquiao or national disaster thread, but we are here and appreciate this game just as much as the next guy.
I am just really disappointed about how PPSL was managed. It could have been really good. But no. Now every time a Philippine event would be held, we would be reminded of this fiasco, and comparison will be made.
IPL are such a great events and I always tune in whenever I can. From what I understand, David Ting made a lot of things happen and I suppose took a calculated risk when IPL took on this PPSL held in Manila. I do not know David Ting personally and perhaps, never will; but I respect him a lot for what he has done for the game that I so enjoy.
From where I am right now, I can only hope that the people who were immediately directly affected.
I have stopped playing for a while, relegated myself to the reddit habit of just watching games, but after all this has happened; I feel motivated to play and organize local events again.
On November 09 2011 18:02 17Sphynx17 wrote: 1. The problem with the issue with Amanda is its doubtful she has a legally binding contract that states that Gus is the one that is assigned to pay the obligations and that she is merely a representative.
2. They most likely are not legally registered as a corporation or group with the government, which means the heirarchy of manager, travel agent, staff etc can be something that is denied and claimed as heresay if it were to reach court.
3. If ever she has a document that states such, I doubt it is a notarized contract but simply an agreement that is most likely a photocopy only and not a certified true copy. (She trusted in Gus too much)
This documentations are helpful but not needed. The people there, the twitter messages and so on is enough proof that she worked by his order. If it comes hard to hard, i think she would win on court and can show that she is the wrong person to sue. But hope they find a way it clear it out earlier.
4. I really have trouble understanding and comprehending how in the world Amanda willingly signed for 700k php worth of travel tickets as a guarantor without expressly writing that Gus is also party to it.
dont understand this part too.
Btw what is this jail thing about? you dont get into jail because you can not pay your bills when its not even 100% clear its your bills. I think they panic a little bit.
After seeking fame all this while, you, sir, have now become famous. Fame comes in two forms, good and bad. Unfortunately, you're not part of the good kind of fame, but the bad, to be lumped together with all that is evil and vile.
In the future, whenever events like this are held by relative newcomers, the first question would be, "will he/she pull a gus ledesma?" heck, at least your name will be repeated for a very long time.
so, cheers, you have finally gotten the fame you wanted. Enjoy.
4. I really have trouble understanding and comprehending how in the world Amanda willingly signed for 700k php worth of travel tickets as a guarantor without expressly writing that Gus is also party to it.
dont understand this part too.
Btw what is this jail thing about? you dont get into jail because you can not pay your bills when its not even 100% clear its your bills. I think they panic a little bit.
afaik they're friends right? (or were ...) I guess you'd do that with a friend involved, you don't expect surprises
On November 09 2011 18:24 Dox wrote: Disgusting to see them celebrating whilst an innocent party is at risk.
Not sure why you are highlighting the time so much, it would be far far faaar worse had the ppsl tweet come after yours. But you are right, this is a pretty disgusting situation...
Didn't IPL (David Ting) post that they kept half the sponsorship money on hold until all issues were settled or to reallocate the money to reimburse people that were screwed over? I see this as the way out for Amanda, with IPL stepping up to reimburse her with the money originally meant for the PPSL/Gus.
On November 09 2011 18:02 17Sphynx17 wrote: 1. The problem with the issue with Amanda is its doubtful she has a legally binding contract that states that Gus is the one that is assigned to pay the obligations and that she is merely a representative.
2. They most likely are not legally registered as a corporation or group with the government, which means the heirarchy of manager, travel agent, staff etc can be something that is denied and claimed as heresay if it were to reach court.
3. If ever she has a document that states such, I doubt it is a notarized contract but simply an agreement that is most likely a photocopy only and not a certified true copy. (She trusted in Gus too much)
This documentations are helpful but not needed. The people there, the twitter messages and so on is enough proof that she worked by his order. If it comes hard to hard, i think she would win on court and can show that she is the wrong person to sue. But hope they find a way it clear it out earlier.
4. I really have trouble understanding and comprehending how in the world Amanda willingly signed for 700k php worth of travel tickets as a guarantor without expressly writing that Gus is also party to it.
dont understand this part too.
Btw what is this jail thing about? you dont get into jail because you can not pay your bills when its not even 100% clear its your bills. I think they panic a little bit.
Well, I don't think it's jail but since she guaranteed for it, she is obligated to pay for it. Which means, if she can not pay on the due date, it would either be an arrangement of payment terms staggered throughout a certain span of time of 6 months to a few years. But all obligations would fall on her.
She could possibly go to jail though is she issued dated checks where the accounts do not have the balance necessary to clear them. Estafa is the case if I'm not mistaken.
I can't believe what I'm reading. Philippine esports should be moving forward. Mineski and other small organizations here are putting all their efforts to make esports grow in our country. Now it seems this is a lethal blow on us. Gus, be a man. Explain yourself.
On November 09 2011 18:29 JustPassingBy wrote: Not sure why you are highlighting the time so much, it would be far far faaar worse had the ppsl tweet come after yours. But you are right, this is a pretty disgusting situation...
As I said in the previous post - while we're all worried about someone, they're simultaneously celebrating.
This guy is digging himself deeper and deeper into a hole he created. Theres no coming back from this. Its called damage control for a reason. It didn't happen, so now he will have to deal with the consequences. Would be nice if he was banned from any future events (just my opinion).
On November 09 2011 18:02 17Sphynx17 wrote: 1. The problem with the issue with Amanda is its doubtful she has a legally binding contract that states that Gus is the one that is assigned to pay the obligations and that she is merely a representative.
2. They most likely are not legally registered as a corporation or group with the government, which means the heirarchy of manager, travel agent, staff etc can be something that is denied and claimed as heresay if it were to reach court.
3. If ever she has a document that states such, I doubt it is a notarized contract but simply an agreement that is most likely a photocopy only and not a certified true copy. (She trusted in Gus too much)
This documentations are helpful but not needed. The people there, the twitter messages and so on is enough proof that she worked by his order. If it comes hard to hard, i think she would win on court and can show that she is the wrong person to sue. But hope they find a way it clear it out earlier.
4. I really have trouble understanding and comprehending how in the world Amanda willingly signed for 700k php worth of travel tickets as a guarantor without expressly writing that Gus is also party to it.
dont understand this part too.
Btw what is this jail thing about? you dont get into jail because you can not pay your bills when its not even 100% clear its your bills. I think they panic a little bit.
Well, I don't think it's jail but since she guaranteed for it, she is obligated to pay for it. Which means, if she can not pay on the due date, it would either be an arrangement of payment terms staggered throughout a certain span of time of 6 months to a few years. But all obligations would fall on her.
She could possibly go to jail though is she issued dated checks where the accounts do not have the balance necessary to clear them. Estafa is the case if I'm not mistaken.
On November 09 2011 18:02 17Sphynx17 wrote: 1. The problem with the issue with Amanda is its doubtful she has a legally binding contract that states that Gus is the one that is assigned to pay the obligations and that she is merely a representative.
2. They most likely are not legally registered as a corporation or group with the government, which means the heirarchy of manager, travel agent, staff etc can be something that is denied and claimed as heresay if it were to reach court.
3. If ever she has a document that states such, I doubt it is a notarized contract but simply an agreement that is most likely a photocopy only and not a certified true copy. (She trusted in Gus too much)
This documentations are helpful but not needed. The people there, the twitter messages and so on is enough proof that she worked by his order. If it comes hard to hard, i think she would win on court and can show that she is the wrong person to sue. But hope they find a way it clear it out earlier.
4. I really have trouble understanding and comprehending how in the world Amanda willingly signed for 700k php worth of travel tickets as a guarantor without expressly writing that Gus is also party to it.
dont understand this part too.
Btw what is this jail thing about? you dont get into jail because you can not pay your bills when its not even 100% clear its your bills. I think they panic a little bit.
Well, I don't think it's jail but since she guaranteed for it, she is obligated to pay for it. Which means, if she can not pay on the due date, it would either be an arrangement of payment terms staggered throughout a certain span of time of 6 months to a few years. But all obligations would fall on her.
She could possibly go to jail though is she issued dated checks where the accounts do not have the balance necessary to clear them. Estafa is the case if I'm not mistaken.
Law might be different in the Philippines?
I am from Philippines so I'm actually thinking about how it would mean jail time for her? Only swindling and estafa come to mind in here case wherein the travel agency could claim she swindled them of the tickets and didn't pay for them. Estafa in the case she made checks that bounced because they never had any funds to pay for the written amount to begin with.
On November 09 2011 18:36 deusemx wrote: This makes me so angry. I wouldn't piss on this guy if he was on fire. I hope he burns.
and again. People put the torches aside. We all see limited information that comes by forum post , twitters and chat logs. EVERYONE is innocent until proof guilty. Rageing over people like this on forums will help no one and there will always be the days where you guys piss on the wrong guy. Happens in the past here on TL and sadly im sure will happen again.
On November 09 2011 18:36 deusemx wrote: This makes me so angry. I wouldn't piss on this guy if he was on fire. I hope he burns.
and again. People put the torches aside. We all see limited information that comes by forum post , twitters and chat logs. EVERYONE is innocent until proof guilty. Rageing over people like this on forums will help no one and there will always be the days where you guys piss on the wrong people. Happens in the past here on TL and sadly im sure will happen again.
And then they make an apology post, everyone forgives them and they're ESPORTS friends again. This is just the natural cycle every hate spree must follow, the jail thing adds an interesting spin to it, but it will still work out the same way.
On November 09 2011 18:24 Dox wrote: Disgusting to see them celebrating whilst an innocent party is at risk.
This actually made me see red. What a complete joke. This whole incident has become the CxG of this decade and will have vast reprecussions on the esports scene as a whole.
On November 09 2011 18:53 S-Class wrote: I have read through every single post up to page 15, and skimmed the rest up to now, I believe this is matter is an act of CRIME and a attack to esports and everything we love about it.
I'm surprised no one has stated anything specific, so I'll do it:
1. At the level of TL, give him a conditional perm ban until he comes up with a valid explanation for everything that is being complained against him. 2. Have him update TL or in some other ESports forum on the status of all the "complaints" against him (payment for the hotel, team Cube, YJ, etc.) 3. File lawsuits. This is not a simple matter of mismanagement. This is about a man who, reading the posts here and elsewhere, bragged about being the "BOSS" yet performed way below incompetence level, and even had malicious intentions in the performance of his duty.
This is a criminal act. And Gus Ledesma is a criminal.
Potential! calling someone criminal who is not proof criminal is criminal! you should not start your tl account with a torch fire statement.
On November 09 2011 18:36 deusemx wrote: This makes me so angry. I wouldn't piss on this guy if he was on fire. I hope he burns.
and again. People put the torches aside. We all see limited information that comes by forum post , twitters and chat logs. EVERYONE is innocent until proof guilty. Rageing over people like this on forums will help no one and there will always be the days where you guys piss on the wrong people. Happens in the past here on TL and sadly im sure will happen again.
And then they make an apology post, everyone forgives them and they're ESPORTS friends again. This is just the natural cycle every hate spree must follow, the jail thing adds an interesting spin to it, but it will still work out the same way.
true that. there must be some hidden internet-forum rules i dont know about. Howto hate, howto fanboy, howto hype....
This is by far the most epic clusterfuck I've ever witnessed. Words just fail me. GunRun; you deserve hugs from every e-sports fan in the world for stepping in to assuage some of the worst of the blowback for one of the victims. And I'm sure that a solution will be found to keep Amanda out of jail - €9k is a lot of money, but it would be cheap advertising for IPL to front it, and in the worst case, I'd be surprised if the community couldn't collect that in an emergency.
The problem with the lawsuit angle is that even if it gets off the ground, the philippine justice system is such a giant clusterfuck that it will take millenia before the suit is even resolved.
On November 09 2011 19:05 rijndael wrote: The problem with the lawsuit angle is that even if it gets off the ground, the philippine justice system is such a giant clusterfuck that it will take millenia before the suit is even resolved.
This. I'm more confident in the sympathy of others over our justice system as it stands.
I have read through every single post up to page 15, and skimmed the rest up to now, I believe this is matter is an act of CRIME and a attack to esports and everything we love about it.
I'm surprised no one has stated anything specific, so I'll do it:
1. At the level of TL, give him a conditional perm ban until he comes up with a valid explanation for everything that is being complained against him. 2. Have him update TL or in some other ESports forum on the status of all the "complaints" against him (payment for the hotel, team Cube, YJ, etc.) 3. File lawsuits. This is not a simple matter of mismanagement. This is about a man who, reading the posts here and elsewhere, bragged about being the "BOSS" yet performed way below incompetence level, and even had malicious intentions in the performance of his duty.
This is a criminal act. And Gus Ledesma is a criminal.
Stream problems, Internet problems is common, Twitch even sent out a representative to help if any stream problems occur, but if you messed up the computer specification to play SC2? What the hell man.
On November 09 2011 18:29 Rannasha wrote: Didn't IPL (David Ting) post that they kept half the sponsorship money on hold until all issues were settled or to reallocate the money to reimburse people that were screwed over? I see this as the way out for Amanda, with IPL stepping up to reimburse her with the money originally meant for the PPSL/Gus.
The problem is we don't know how much is the 50% of sponsorship money from IGN. It could be even possible that PPSL have went massively in red. I think that this might be the first event that pays players first and later the staff and the rest of the bills...
Fuck you. Your statement is damn empty, you didn't explain anything.
we would like to make it clear that it was no one else's fault but ours
Don't worry, we already knew that.
However, there were a few complications associated with funding (not IPL's fault), and subsequently, I was unable to send him to the event.
So, basically, still the same bullshit, you didn't respect the contract, that's it, why do you fail to mention that you replaced him by your own player ? Why no more details about where the money went ?
To the members of Team Cube, we apologize for not being able to fly your players over to the event; I feel bad about you guys not being here; in the future we will try our utmost best to invite you to events as compensation for your team not being represented at the event.
lol ! So you think that's how it works when you swindle people, you just say "hu, sorry, didn't mean that, I promise, never again" ? Nope, you can't.
To the Players for the HONslaught event; I would like to apologize for not being able to accommodate you guys during the IPL 4 Pacific Qualifier event; our sponsors (S2 Games) have decided to postpone the tournament to a later date.
You mean you basically settled the event with no sponsors... Because if the sponsor had once agreed, no reason to postpone, you're just a lying piece of shit, even now with this thread supposed to explain things, you still act like you did nothing wrong, and you congratulate yourself like that : "and last but not the least Staff and Crew from the PPSL and Team AZK" ... no "thank you" for you, sir, just a "fuck you", never organize an esport event again, never ever
I hope you never try to get involved in anything related to e-sports in the future. I hope all the people you owe money are able to get home sometime this week.
On November 09 2011 19:05 AmericanUmlaut wrote: This is by far the most epic clusterfuck I've ever witnessed. Words just fail me. GunRun; you deserve hugs from every e-sports fan in the world for stepping in to assuage some of the worst of the blowback for one of the victims. And I'm sure that a solution will be found to keep Amanda out of jail - €9k is a lot of money, but it would be cheap advertising for IPL to front it, and in the worst case, I'd be surprised if the community couldn't collect that in an emergency.
Yeah, as a community member id put a few dollars to help out if worst came to worst.
As long as we didnt trust a guy like Gus with that money haha
dude i already told you there is something wrong with gus' brain. on a extremely personal level i believe people without common sense do exist because of guys like gus ledesma.
everytime i've personally fought or dealt with him over the last few months he used almost zero percent of his brain to make sense of what was going on.
eg. gus: 'why am i going to pay you 50% upfront? do you pay for food at a restaurant before you eat it?' john: (well yes if it's not a dine and sit one lol) but my reply was 'do you get on a plane to your destination and pay for the service after?'
gus ledesma is arrogant and flat out dumb and stupid when he posts or even texts for that matter. it's a personal hate post i know, but yeah it's tough to believe that magically orchestrated all of this.
but yeah in introspect: name-drop, tell ign that azk will be shouldering the player flights, promote azk more, grab more then 10 sponsors, create a hon tournament that doesn't exist to draw in more then a 200 person crowd. THE ONLY THING HE DID FORGET TO DO WAS ACTUALLY SOURCE AN EVENT PLANNER, PROGRAM DIRECTOR ON LOAN. the ppsl was quite good, toward several games of day 2 (aside from in/out issues like stream quality/booth non-existent soundproofing, caster queuing etc...)
brain damage may be a possible cause, or even substance abuse, but i think it's more an emotional condition that i know many people have (the one where you can never admit you're wrong)
Making vague apology and didn't even explain anything?
I can understand problems with streaming and technical difficulties but money issues?!?!?!?!?
Shame on you for doing all of this Gus and for tarnishing the reputation of your other Filipino SC2 players.
I don't know what I would do if we bump into each other here. Well I hope this goes to our local media as well so he won't have any escape. Just with I had a contact with the media here. Hmmm...I'll see what I can do.
yo, just going back through some PM's with gus back during AUGUST 17
john to gus: hey gus, anyway glad to see ppsl is looking successful. i have a few concerns though that i'm not sure that many people have voiced out yet or are afraid to bring up.
well first and foremost the foreigner issue, i think it's a great idea and will lure in sponsors and attention for sure. also it will force proper practice and training for our ph players to be ready to fight them. i'm only concerned really with the foreign player logistics in the form of their airfare (well if they are sponsored to come over by their teams good, but if not, it might be foresight to see what kind of incentives / accommodations you are ready to provide for them). secondly on the foreigner issue. it's pretty statistically sound that the winners of the tournament eg. final 4-8 players will be truly foreigners and will sort of go against the theme of 'philippine pro starleague' (a branding issue more then anything else). i mean this kind of mix is good if you're named the gsl, but it's sort of counter intuitive to be called the philippine prostarleague and not maybe the southeast asian invitational or something similar to dreamhack.
second issue i'd like to see addressed is somewhat the entire graphic design approach of the ppsl. i think you guys need to hire a few graphic artists to get some work done. to be honest i'll share with you i'm working with dj on a kts game media website project (more like a glorified business card at this point) and he has real talent for design and social media concerns. i'd suggest hiring him to co-work on your site/entire creative appeal or someone like him to help solidify the image of the upcoming ppsl.
last issue, is the ppsl's sustainability. i think you need to work carefully to create a business plan toward eg. acquiring future sponsors and or creation of the actual 'league' part of the ppsl. the prize-pool is also something else that isn't as easy to come-by in our country. (but then again if you can pay pba players multi-million peso contracts maybe not that hard to find). the direction i hope team azk goes to is obviously gma/tv5/abs-cbn type 'league' deals as i feel media visibility through television would help sustain the league as not just some event people go to and watch live. well that direction itself needs the help of the other two concerns i aforementioned. i remember watching counter-strike back in early 2000 (well i competed in league for it and got third place), and the finals were streamed live from a parking lot in ortigas with live-bands/sponsors etc.. the turn-out crowd was good and all but nothing really became of the the 'esports' movement afterward. i believe the league portion of the ppsl needs to be emphasized to generate enough interest for the continuation of future projects. otherwise from a business perspective, you're looking at making say 50k-100k php once a year which we both know is practically nothing ^^
gg. e-sports will take-off in the ph for sure gus, i'd like to help in anyway i can. -john ----------
On November 09 2011 20:58 threehundred wrote: well first and foremost the foreigner issue, i think it's a great idea and will lure in sponsors and attention for sure. also it will force proper practice and training for our ph players to be ready to fight them. i'm only concerned really with the foreign player logistics in the form of their airfare (well if they are sponsored to come over by their teams good, but if not, it might be foresight to see what kind of incentives / accommodations you are ready to provide for them). secondly on the foreigner issue. it's pretty statistically sound that the winners of the tournament eg. final 4-8 players will be truly foreigners and will sort of go against the theme of 'philippine pro starleague' (a branding issue more then anything else). i mean this kind of mix is good if you're named the gsl, but it's sort of counter intuitive to be called the philippine prostarleague and not maybe the southeast asian invitational or something similar to dreamhack.
Well look at NASL (North American Starleague). The winner and most of the top guys were koreans. So i would basically say its all about the place where its hosted.
TL bans randoms for stupid stuff, but doesn't ban this piece of trash Gus, even though he's been proven from multiple sources to be a scammer. The moment I heard about PPSL I knew it would be a joke, and I was right. Can't trust those people.
A lesson to be learnt here is that, unfortunately, you don't do events in a country without a proper justice system. The money involved, poverty and lack of reprisal from the police makes for a very bad setting. The wiki travel page for the Philippines even warns of the scams going on there.
On November 09 2011 20:54 Munsy wrote: edit: i am tired and not registering what i'm reading lol
Im pretty sure you're not allowed to edit out bans
Anyways guys - Lets not get ahead of ourselves - GunRun said earlier, that Gus was on his way to the hotel to take care of things.. I don't know if I believe if anything will come of it, but don't shoot the guy before anyone can conclude if he's fully guilty..
On November 09 2011 21:25 ryckon wrote: people like u are a cancer for everything called esport. stop killing esport and start working at mcdonalds
Even working at mcdonalds would be a bliss for him. Gus is such a freaking joke.He's making the SEA e-sports scene look bad as hell. This guy doesn't deserve to be leading the e-sports scene as a manager. This guys is just a douchebag. Just fixed the problems you caused and GTFO of the e-sports.
On November 09 2011 21:13 ct2299 wrote: TL bans randoms for stupid stuff, but doesn't ban this piece of trash Gus, even though he's been proven from multiple sources to be a scammer. The moment I heard about PPSL I knew it would be a joke, and I was right. Can't trust those people.
I'm sure he'll be banned after everything is sorted out. Banning him now won't solve anything and would actually hinder the flow of information to us on what's actually going on right now. It's actually a good thing he can still post here.
On November 09 2011 21:25 ryckon wrote: people like u are a cancer for everything called esport. stop killing esport and start working at mcdonalds
Even working at mcdonalds would be a bliss for him. Gus is such a freaking joke.He's making the SEA e-sports scene look bad as hell. This guy doesn't deserve to be leading the e-sports scene as a manager. This guys is just a douchebag. Just fixed the problems you caused and GTFO of the e-sports.
He is also making white collar criminals look bad too, it's like amateur hour watching this shit.
This entire thing is just a debacle. AZK is just shameful. The damage you have done to independent tournaments will take years to repair. You, quite literally, F'd everyone in the community. Large sponsors will not be hesitant to be involved with small tournaments (small=new organizers), teams will hesitate to send players and everyone will have a guilty-until-paid-out cloud over their heads.
I have no idea what happened, what is happening, all I know is that you all should be ashamed.
Dox should have run this tournament, or at least someone who had proven himself the the community. This is pathetic. Trust in independent tournaments will be fractured now.
Prove yourself first, then get thousands of dollars to run a tournament: that's the way it should work.
Oh man, this sounds really bad. Poor Amanda. Hope shell be ok. =/
Btw fuck you Gus. This could have been such a big event. This could have been so beneficial as a stepping stone for the growth of eSports in SEA, but of all the events that have been so successfully organized by literally everyone here, you just had to FUCK it up. I can't remember the last time I was this pissed over something on the Internet before. Really if I could meet you in real life I would have shoved my shoes in your frickin mouth. Inbred swine.
pay the money you mist pay and then get out never come back, i do not wants to ever hear about you after you paid the last cent of the money you stole....
lol. Actions>words. Please take care of the mess you've made before looking to the community for any kind of forgiveness. Although at this point what you should be aiming for is to just not be reviled.
On November 09 2011 22:06 moge wrote: This entire thing is just a debacle. AZK is just shameful. The damage you have done to independent tournaments will take years to repair. You, quite literally, F'd everyone in the community. Large sponsors will not be hesitant to be involved with small tournaments (small=new organizers), teams will hesitate to send players and everyone will have a guilty-until-paid-out cloud over their heads.
I have no idea what happened, what is happening, all I know is that you all should be ashamed.
Chill out... holy shit. Yes this Gus character is a complete douche and deserves to be legally punished as well as banned from the SC2 community but its not like he represents a large portion of the scene or anything. Hell, I'm sure 95% of TL didnt know who he was or who AZK was until this shit hit the fan, I sure didn't. The first I'd ever heard of AZK was the short article of them acquiring NEXsickness. He didn't fuck everyone in the community, just himself and anyone who was affiliated with him. People should be smart enough to realize this is an independent event and that this total DBAG in no way represents the SC2 community. At least I hope this doesn't have long standing repercussions ;\ And honestly, this guy is just a total moron, does he know how much richer IGN is than him? He is gonna get slammed if they pursue litigation.
On November 09 2011 22:06 moge wrote: This entire thing is just a debacle. AZK is just shameful. The damage you have done to independent tournaments will take years to repair. You, quite literally, F'd everyone in the community. Large sponsors will not be hesitant to be involved with small tournaments (small=new organizers), teams will hesitate to send players and everyone will have a guilty-until-paid-out cloud over their heads.
I have no idea what happened, what is happening, all I know is that you all should be ashamed.
Chill out... holy shit. Yes this Gus character is a complete douche and deserves to be legally punished as well as banned from the SC2 community but its not like he represents a large portion of the scene or anything. Hell, I'm sure 95% of TL didnt know who he was or who AZK was until this shit hit the fan, I sure didn't. The first I'd ever heard of AZK was the short article of them acquiring NEXsickness. He didn't fuck everyone in the community, just himself and anyone who was affiliated with him. People should be smart enough to realize this is an independent event and that this total DBAG in no way represents the SC2 community. At least I hope this doesn't have long standing repercussions ;\ And honestly, this guy is just a total moron, does he know how much richer IGN is than him? He is gonna get slammed if they pursue litigation.
The fact that it happened though is no doubt gonna be a red flag for a lot of companies who are looking for maybe a safer avenue of advertising.
can't anyone get the OP's address and take him hostage? Honestly, this is not some pocket money, I would truely consider attacking this guy physically -.-
Also, don't blame AZK, blame Gus since he pretty much screwed his own team over as well. From what I've heard some of the AZK members actually made this tournament watchable on day 2.
On November 09 2011 21:13 ct2299 wrote: TL bans randoms for stupid stuff, but doesn't ban this piece of trash Gus, even though he's been proven from multiple sources to be a scammer. The moment I heard about PPSL I knew it would be a joke, and I was right. Can't trust those people.
I'm sure he'll be banned after everything is sorted out. Banning him now won't solve anything and would actually hinder the flow of information to us on what's actually going on right now. It's actually a good thing he can still post here.
QFT. Banning him just gives him another avenue to slip away.
As for the whole thing I've only skim read, but sounds like this guy has done a lot of wheeling and dealing and screwed a lot of people in the process, what a waste of an opportunity to help create something positive in SEA. As for the HoN tourney, that was downright shameful.
On November 09 2011 17:40 YoonYJ wrote: I do not know the law in manila but from judging what I have heard the law isnt like what it is in australia. A message from Amanda:
He said hell try to get me the payment due to me because we are friends and he doesnt want me to lose faith... This is why i had to take measures and inform gunrun and gunrun let me speak to david ting this morning Yes he said hes fonna get me the fund to pay the 516
Didn't want to get involved here but I have to clarify: You cannot get jailed for debt here in the Philippines. It's a Constitutional prohibition (Sec 20 Art III - Bill of Rights).
What was the point in this post? "I'd like to help you but i wont cos i cant trust u and dont actually have money, LOL!" ...I dont get it.
This guy is a fucking joke anyway, cant believe the shit he's pulling. Hope it all gets sorted and best of luck to whoever is still in the shit, at the very least i hope you get to squeeze his balls.
I posted this because if jailtime really came into play, then yes, i am willing to loan out some of the cash to help, but as i said, 500k is hard to shoulder alone (that's almost a year's salary here). I was just doing this as a gesture, but since Amanda has until the 21st, then i guess there really was no point, was there?
I'm just curious if the travel agency she contacted was locally based here in the Philippines.
Jail time won't come into play, but interest will. Considering there was no fraud here (which is an element that must be proved - equivalent to bad faith on the part of the debtor), it's probably going to be 12% (annual legal interest) from the time the debt became due. There are other rules on interest (especially if this reaches litigation) but at least, that's the general amount.
On November 09 2011 18:02 17Sphynx17 wrote: 1. The problem with the issue with Amanda is its doubtful she has a legally binding contract that states that Gus is the one that is assigned to pay the obligations and that she is merely a representative.
2. They most likely are not legally registered as a corporation or group with the government, which means the heirarchy of manager, travel agent, staff etc can be something that is denied and claimed as heresay if it were to reach court.
3. If ever she has a document that states such, I doubt it is a notarized contract but simply an agreement that is most likely a photocopy only and not a certified true copy. (She trusted in Gus too much)
This documentations are helpful but not needed. The people there, the twitter messages and so on is enough proof that she worked by his order. If it comes hard to hard, i think she would win on court and can show that she is the wrong person to sue. But hope they find a way it clear it out earlier.
4. I really have trouble understanding and comprehending how in the world Amanda willingly signed for 700k php worth of travel tickets as a guarantor without expressly writing that Gus is also party to it.
dont understand this part too.
Btw what is this jail thing about? you dont get into jail because you can not pay your bills when its not even 100% clear its your bills. I think they panic a little bit.
Well, I don't think it's jail but since she guaranteed for it, she is obligated to pay for it. Which means, if she can not pay on the due date, it would either be an arrangement of payment terms staggered throughout a certain span of time of 6 months to a few years. But all obligations would fall on her.
She could possibly go to jail though is she issued dated checks where the accounts do not have the balance necessary to clear them. Estafa is the case if I'm not mistaken.
It wouldn't be Estafa under the Revised Penal Code since that requires the element of deceit. The applicable criminal law here is BP 22, which refers to the issuance of bouncing checks. Now, in practice, this doesn't lead to jail time (there are instances when it does though). BP 22 cases are used to intimidate debtors to pay up (lest they face a costly, and lengthy indictment). While the possibility exists that a case like this be brought against Amanda, I highly doubt it.
In any event, I suggest a re-negotiation of the terms of the contract with the agency (in relation to payment and maturity of the debt) to afford her breathing room. This is especially important if the community will have to raise funds (i.e. if the money cannot be collected from Gus asap).
On November 09 2011 19:05 rijndael wrote: The problem with the lawsuit angle is that even if it gets off the ground, the philippine justice system is such a giant clusterfuck that it will take millenia before the suit is even resolved.
It depends on the case. Collection cases run quite fast. A case of this nature shouldn't even reach the courts (should be settled out of court, and just negotiate for penalty interest).
I hope this helps calm everyone's minds. I've been reading up on this event with great interest and wouldn't mind clarifying legal questions.
PS: My opinion is that Gus should not be brought to court. Do you guys really want that aggravation??? And he won't be jailed, just forced to pay. I hope the community just pressures him into paying off the people he needs to pay off (those who covered certain expenses like Amanda and TGR).
On November 09 2011 22:06 moge wrote: This entire thing is just a debacle. AZK is just shameful. The damage you have done to independent tournaments will take years to repair. You, quite literally, F'd everyone in the community. Large sponsors will not be hesitant to be involved with small tournaments (small=new organizers), teams will hesitate to send players and everyone will have a guilty-until-paid-out cloud over their heads.
I have no idea what happened, what is happening, all I know is that you all should be ashamed.
Chill out... holy shit. Yes this Gus character is a complete douche and deserves to be legally punished as well as banned from the SC2 community but its not like he represents a large portion of the scene or anything. Hell, I'm sure 95% of TL didnt know who he was or who AZK was until this shit hit the fan, I sure didn't. The first I'd ever heard of AZK was the short article of them acquiring NEXsickness. He didn't fuck everyone in the community, just himself and anyone who was affiliated with him. People should be smart enough to realize this is an independent event and that this total DBAG in no way represents the SC2 community. At least I hope this doesn't have long standing repercussions ;\ And honestly, this guy is just a total moron, does he know how much richer IGN is than him? He is gonna get slammed if they pursue litigation.
The fact that it happened though is no doubt gonna be a red flag for a lot of companies who are looking for maybe a safer avenue of advertising.
Exactly. While the specific incident has everything to do with AZK Gus the overall incident has a wider implication on every single tournament moving forward. granted some of these changes will be for the better but the very fact that a sponsor, team or player will, even for a moment, question their involvement in a new tournament or doubt their participation just because the organizer is 'unknown' is bad for the sport.
It is sad, yet inevitable that this happened. How we move forward is also important. If we let this single incident taint future [unknown] organizers it will be a bad turn. If we use this incident to apply lessons learned then I think we can grow from it.
edit: Seiniyta is right. AZK, in an odd way can very much redeem themselves as a team - obviously, it would need to be a team without Gus, though. If the team can band together I think they can come out of this for the better.
Act No. 3185 The Revised Penal Code of the Philippines
x x x
Title Ten Crimes against Property
Chapter Six
Article 315. Swindling (Estafa) - Any person who shall defraud another by any of the means mentioned hereinbelow shall be punished by:
1st. The penalty of prision correccional in its maximum period to prision mayor in its minimum period, if the amount of the fraud is over 12,000 pesos but does not exceed 22,000 pesos, and if such amount exceeds the latter sum, the penalty provided in this paragraph shall be imposed in its maximum period, adding one year for each additional 10,000 pesos; but the total penalty which may be imposed shall not exceed twenty years....
...provided that in the four cases mentioned, the fraud be committed by any of the following means:
1. With unfaithfulness or abuse of confidence, namely:
(b) By misappropriating or converting, to the prejudice of another, money, goods, or any other personal property received by the offender in trust or on commission, or for administration, or under any other obligation involving the duty to make delivery of or to return the same, even though such obligation be totally or partially guaranteed by a bond; or by denying having received such money, goods, or other property.
Probably not gonna apply. It depends on the contract between Gus and IPL/IGN. It has to be juridical possession not in the concept of an owner. Also, the misappropriation hasn't been shown yet - only a mismanagement (Though I do feel that there was a diversion of funds that occurred here. Anyway, the audit will show that later on.)
Again, I hope people just don't jump the gun on the criminal case thing cause that's a different level of malice altogether. Had Gus absconded right away, I'd be the first to support a complaint (heh, a funny practice here in the Philippines: you have the arrest warrant issued on a Friday, so that when the police pick up the person, he can't post bail until Monday so those 2 days in jail are usually more than enough to convince him/her to settle).
rofl what a load of bullcrap. nice attempt at fixing things but its just not enough to just type up a shitty apology. actions are louder than words son. learn that.
On November 09 2011 23:53 TissTuss wrote: yeah this gus guy might not be that awesome but why do I get the urge to kill people saying *this hurts esports*?
it feels like its the justin bieber comments of starcraft 2.
The ironic thing is that this Gus dude is ACTUALLY HURTING ESPORTS!
Which is weird, because I think a lot of the time when people say something is killing or hurting esports, they're saying it because it's a common phrase in the sc2 community.... but this time it's actually true.
I think the worst part about this situation, and this 'apology' is the complete lack of follow-up. If you put a big post apologizing for the way you've run an event and the people you've fucked over you better damn well be ready to respond to that thread. The fact that the guy goes AWOL right after is horribly disrespectful and irresponsible.
If Gus really wanted to make up for the trainwreck that he created then he'd better start showing people that instead of posting a desultory apology and ninja vanishing. Do some damage control, start paying out your debts, respond to the EXACT criticisms that are being leveled at you instead of this pathetic blanket sorry. We don't need an apology, we need you to make shit right.
If you were any kind of decent human being and any sort of credible organizer you would make yourself visible and start making shit right.
On November 10 2011 00:14 TBone- wrote: damn, i wonder if he actually does have all the money he owes.
Probably not, I have a theory that from the start of the tournament Gus just kept running his mouth about how big he could get it and how big his e-peen would get when he takes SOLE credit for making everything happen (had it gone off without a hitch) without even putting a SINGLE thought into anything resembling logistics.
Eventually he just promised a lot of people a lot of stuff without realizing how much the whole thing would actually cost. Then I guess he just woke up on game day and realized he couldn't afford any of it, even with IGN's funding,
First and foremost, the PPSL would like to formally apologise to everyone (IGN, our sponsors, the players, organisers, special guests and the viewers) who were involved with the IPL4 Pacific Qualifiers. The PPSL takes full responsibility for the way everything has unfolded, and would like to make it clear that it was no one else's fault but ours.
As most people already know, the event has suffered several technical difficulties throughout the last couple of days. A lot of the players were experiencing both internet latency issues, aswell as computer lag issues. Even with our continual efforts to bring the specifications of the computers, as well as the stream quality up to an excellent playable/viewable experience, we were unable to provide what everyone deserved, and for that, we are truly sorry.
We would now like to clarify a few things that many people have asked about concerning individuals not being able to attend the event.
As most people know, the event has suffered from management problems that we are responsible for and am trying to deal with accordingly. I apologise if this has angered the e-sports communities, that have been affected by this.
First is YoJun "YoonYJ" Yun, who recently participated in the Australian Qualifier, hosted by Derek "Dox" Reball. He was unable to secure 1st or 2nd place, and as such was initially unable to attend. Another player, who qualified, had to step down for personal reasons. YoJun was considered as the replacement to attend the event alongside David "arcMSIRossi" Rossi. However, there were a few complications associated with funding (not IPL's fault), and subsequently, I was unable to send him to the event. For that, we deeply apologize and wish YoJun the best in his future endeavors. He will be compensated for flights and accommodations in the future; I have spoken with YoonYJ personally, apologised and have put past the problems between us. He has accepted my apology, and has agreed to help resurrect this situation. I would also like to apologize to Derek "Dox" Reball for any misunderstandings that may have happened with the Australian Leg of the Qualifiers; he is an excellent events/tournament organizer and should be given attention for his passion for e-sports.
There has also been talk about other tournaments not releasing their cash prizes on time; I would like to reassure everyone that the cash prizes were given out to all the winners of the tournament as soon as the tournament ended.
To the members of Team Cube, we apologize for not being able to fly your players over to the event; I feel bad about you guys not being here; in the future we will try our utmost best to invite you to events as compensation for your team not being represented at the event.
To the Players for the HONslaught event; I would like to apologize for not being able to accommodate you guys during the IPL 4 Pacific Qualifier event; our sponsors (S2 Games) have decided to postpone the tournament to a later date.
We would also like to personally thank the following people for their ongoing assistance and support at the event.
- "TorcH"(Ops Manager) - "SeltzerPlease" (Host) - Allyn (Host) - "Artosis" (Caster) - "Tasteless" (Caster) - "CheekyDuck" (Caster) - "LiviBee" (Caster) - "The GunRun" (Stream Support) - KTgameone (Stream Support) - All of our sponsors and partners
and last but not the least
- Staff and Crew from the PPSL and Team AZK
We would also like to thank all of our sponsors for providing us the necessary resources, as well as IGN for their support they have given us during this event.
There were plans to make this event go smoothly as possible; however we didn't have enough time to make the necessary preparations in coordinating the logistics and various minor details. As some may say, little things add up to big things, and we had failed to consider that in our judgment. We shall take this as an invaluable learning experience and we hope to do much better in the future. We shall take every possible bit of expertise this and improve as a team.
The audience here in the Philippines did seem to enjoy the show and we hope to bring more of the same kind of experience to them in the future. As far as promoting StarCraft II in this country is concerned, we feel that we somehow succeeded in that aspect and showed local audiences how exciting this wonderful game truly is. May this be the spark that lights the fire for StarCraft II here in the Philippines so that others can do much better than we did.
Our intention was to provide a wonderful experience, and we understand that we had failed to provide the superior level of quality that IGN, the viewers, the sponsors, and the players deserved. We are sincerely sorry for the way these issues have popped up at this event and i know for a fact that all the major tournaments experienced some of the issues that we experienced as well.
I hope that this clears some of the confusion that has been going around.
The dude is a complete moron, period. I don't even think he was intentionally scamming people, but rather he literally had no clue what the heck he was doing.
On November 10 2011 00:28 jellyjello wrote: The dude is a complete moron, period. I don't even think he was intentionally scamming people, but rather he literally had no clue what the heck he was doing.
Yeah I second this.
The worst kind of people in the world aren't the smartasses, they aren't the dumbasses, but they're the dumbasses who try to be smartasses.
User was banned for this ? Would I be banned too for showing some support to this guy ? tbh it's the OP who doesn't deserve to belong to this community... but maybe he has some well-placed friends or smth
On November 10 2011 00:28 jellyjello wrote: The dude is a complete moron, period. I don't even think he was intentionally scamming people, but rather he literally had no clue what the heck he was doing.
Yeah. I think he's just an arrogant idiot who thought he and his group would be e-famous if he arranged a super-cool tournament with all these big-name people so he took in a bunch of responsibilities without thinking about costs or logistics until he was in way over his head. The fact that he constantly kept on bragging how he was hanging out with Tastosis shows how obsessed he is with getting the big names onboard. Also, I think you'd literally have to be mentally retarded to have planned conning all these people like this and think you can get away with it.
Bribing Moonglade, cancelling TeamCube's flights so the people from his team would advance; and not sending in YoonYJ though...I think that's a whole other matter. I think that really was deceitful behavior.
It takes a very specific kind of person to make an 'apology' thread that ignores the facts of the underlying situation that makes relevant the apology in the first place, and then to ignore and go silent on the near 30 pages of questions that follow.
On November 10 2011 00:28 jellyjello wrote: The dude is a complete moron, period. I don't even think he was intentionally scamming people, but rather he literally had no clue what the heck he was doing.
Yeah I second this.
The worst kind of people in the world aren't the smartasses, they aren't the dumbasses, but they're the dumbasses who try to be smartasses.
Gus is the posterboy for the smartass dumbass.
Normally I'd agree with you, but Gus had many people who came forward with information, ideas, suggestions and criticisms, and he ignored all of it. People who had experience running successful tournaments in the Philippines, who volunteered to be part of his staff, raised many issues months before PPSL was even announced to the wider community. It wasn't because Gus was trying to be a smartass and do things his own way, but because he already had a preconceived idea of how things would go down - all to his own benefit.
On November 10 2011 00:04 crms wrote: I'd also like a response from tastosis seeing as they hyped this event quite a bit, I hope they know of all the troubles and stop hyping. ~_~
I agree with this. It felt a bit weird today during their GSL cast they only mentioned how great the tournament was. Made me like them a bit less. (just from 100% likable to 99%) When being in the frontline and all eyes pointed at you already because you have been drinking with that gus guy, you could at least say something like: we can't go in details but unfortunately some things went really wrong too and we feel sorry for people who were treated badly and hope everything will be solved.
User was banned for this ? Would I be banned too for showing some support to this guy ? tbh it's the OP who doesn't deserve to belong to this community... but maybe he has some well-placed friends or smth
He was probably banned because the word isn't an acceptable term to use ...
User was banned for this ? Would I be banned too for showing some support to this guy ? tbh it's the OP who doesn't deserve to belong to this community... but maybe he has some well-placed friends or smth
He was probably banned because the word isn't an acceptable term to use ...
zero content post, just an image macro and a meme. Plus yeah, that kind of language is not generally accepted, and it was the users first post.
On November 10 2011 00:04 crms wrote: I'd also like a response from tastosis seeing as they hyped this event quite a bit, I hope they know of all the troubles and stop hyping. ~_~
I agree with this. It felt a bit weird today during their GSL cast they only mentioned how great the tournament was. Made me like them a bit less. (just from 100% likable to 99%) When being in the frontline and all eyes pointed at you already because you have been drinking with that gus guy, you could at least say something like: we can't go in details but unfortunately some things went really wrong too and we feel sorry for people who were treated badly and hope everything will be solved.
I think it's really important to them as professionals that they represent the organizations they work with in the most positive light possible. It's not really their place to use the platform GOM gives them to trash talk someone else they've done work for, even if (as in this case) the criticism is entirely valid. We have to remember that Tasteless and Artosis aren't just dudes we all love that log on and cast games, they're employees of large organizations and depend on their excellent reputations as professionals that do their best for whoever hires them for their livelihood.
State of the game would probably be a better place for Dan to say his piece on the whole thing rather than on the GSL stage, seeing as they're paid to be prim and proper on that.
I agree, Tastosis shouldn't talk about that even or if they did they shouldn't talk about those problems since it's not the place to talk about that kind of problems.
On November 09 2011 23:53 TissTuss wrote: yeah this gus guy might not be that awesome but why do I get the urge to kill people saying *this hurts esports*?
it feels like its the justin bieber comments of starcraft 2.
The PPSL had a huge chance to promote the SEA E-Sports community. However, the bottom line is that Gus Ledesma, the so called mastermind behind the PPSL event was completely unqualified to run such an event. From what I have gathered, Gus Ledesma ruined what could have been SEA's break out event into the global E-Sports scene (Tastosis, top Koreans). That in my book is ruining/killing E-Sports in the SEA region. I guarantee you that IGN is never going to want to deal with the SEA region ever again nor other organizations. I sincerely hope that this isn't the case.
Man I can't believe this guy was actually trusted with all of this stuff. I gotta think that this isn't his first time being a deceptive asshole. How in the hell did he get to be in charge of this event? This guy needs to be banned from eSports. The horrible behavior and lack of character that he's displayed throughout this whole situation is despicable. It makes me sad not only as a StarCraft 2 fan but as a human that this guy even exists.
On November 09 2011 23:53 TissTuss wrote: yeah this gus guy might not be that awesome but why do I get the urge to kill people saying *this hurts esports*?
it feels like its the justin bieber comments of starcraft 2.
Yeah he just took some money and got a girl almost to prision, plus tried to blackmail moonglade... That's "Justin Bieber" for you!
On November 10 2011 00:04 crms wrote: I'd also like a response from tastosis seeing as they hyped this event quite a bit, I hope they know of all the troubles and stop hyping. ~_~
I agree with this. It felt a bit weird today during their GSL cast they only mentioned how great the tournament was. Made me like them a bit less. (just from 100% likable to 99%) When being in the frontline and all eyes pointed at you already because you have been drinking with that gus guy, you could at least say something like: we can't go in details but unfortunately some things went really wrong too and we feel sorry for people who were treated badly and hope everything will be solved.
I think it's really important to them as professionals that they represent the organizations they work with in the most positive light possible. It's not really their place to use the platform GOM gives them to trash talk someone else they've done work for, even if (as in this case) the criticism is entirely valid. We have to remember that Tasteless and Artosis aren't just dudes we all love that log on and cast games, they're employees of large organizations and depend on their excellent reputations as professionals that do their best for whoever hires them for their livelihood.
Thanks for poining that out, I guess that's the case. They probably even have a contract that doesn't allow them to. Still for me personally, pretending bad stuff didn't happen makes professionals really look bad. Keep being positive about the organisation you work for even if they did something wrong never feels right. Honesty goes a long way, so even when you talk about bad stuff, in the end people might respect your organisation even more because you don't cover stuff up.
Like when GOM quickly removed the part of Jinro saying he could hear casters in the booth, that's bad. How IPL quickly reacted, that's good.
On November 10 2011 00:04 crms wrote: I'd also like a response from tastosis seeing as they hyped this event quite a bit, I hope they know of all the troubles and stop hyping. ~_~
I agree with this. It felt a bit weird today during their GSL cast they only mentioned how great the tournament was. Made me like them a bit less. (just from 100% likable to 99%) When being in the frontline and all eyes pointed at you already because you have been drinking with that gus guy, you could at least say something like: we can't go in details but unfortunately some things went really wrong too and we feel sorry for people who were treated badly and hope everything will be solved.
I think it's really important to them as professionals that they represent the organizations they work with in the most positive light possible. It's not really their place to use the platform GOM gives them to trash talk someone else they've done work for, even if (as in this case) the criticism is entirely valid. We have to remember that Tasteless and Artosis aren't just dudes we all love that log on and cast games, they're employees of large organizations and depend on their excellent reputations as professionals that do their best for whoever hires them for their livelihood.
Thanks for poining that out, I guess that's the case. They probably even have a contract that doesn't allow them to. Still for me personally, pretending bad stuff didn't happen makes professionals really look bad. Keep being positive about the organisation you work for even if they did something wrong never feels right. Honesty goes a long way, so even when you talk about bad stuff, in the end people might respect your organisation even more because you don't cover stuff up.
Like when GOM quickly removed the part of Jinro saying he could hear casters in the booth, that's bad. How IPL quickly reacted, that's good.
Keep in mind that the problem was PPSL was basically Gus himself. The other people involved, the audience, the players, they didn't do anything wrong. They can't just say "Wow that event was awful" on air at GSL, that'd be incredibly rude and disrespectful to all the innocent bystanders in some way involved in the tourny. Like people have said, if Artosis gets on SotG, that's a better place to talk about it because he can explain what was actually wrong without just giving a big, blanket statement that the tournament was bad.
On November 10 2011 00:04 crms wrote: I'd also like a response from tastosis seeing as they hyped this event quite a bit, I hope they know of all the troubles and stop hyping. ~_~
I agree with this. It felt a bit weird today during their GSL cast they only mentioned how great the tournament was. Made me like them a bit less. (just from 100% likable to 99%) When being in the frontline and all eyes pointed at you already because you have been drinking with that gus guy, you could at least say something like: we can't go in details but unfortunately some things went really wrong too and we feel sorry for people who were treated badly and hope everything will be solved.
I think it's really important to them as professionals that they represent the organizations they work with in the most positive light possible. It's not really their place to use the platform GOM gives them to trash talk someone else they've done work for, even if (as in this case) the criticism is entirely valid. We have to remember that Tasteless and Artosis aren't just dudes we all love that log on and cast games, they're employees of large organizations and depend on their excellent reputations as professionals that do their best for whoever hires them for their livelihood.
Thanks for poining that out, I guess that's the case. They probably even have a contract that doesn't allow them to. Still for me personally, pretending bad stuff didn't happen makes professionals really look bad. Keep being positive about the organisation you work for even if they did something wrong never feels right. Honesty goes a long way, so even when you talk about bad stuff, in the end people might respect your organisation even more because you don't cover stuff up.
Like when GOM quickly removed the part of Jinro saying he could hear casters in the booth, that's bad. How IPL quickly reacted, that's good.
Keep in mind that the problem was PPSL was basically Gus himself. The other people involved, the audience, the players, they didn't do anything wrong. They can't just say "Wow that event was awful" on air at GSL, that'd be incredibly rude and disrespectful to all the innocent bystanders in some way involved in the tourny. Like people have said, if Artosis gets on SotG, that's a better place to talk about it because he can explain what was actually wrong without just giving a big, blanket statement that the tournament was bad.
Yes I guess. For the record I don't mean for them saying the tournament was bad. And if they didn't say anything about it I could understand it too.
But what I didn't like was them saying it was great and keep hyping it while not saying, unfortunately some things went wrong too but we hope these will be solved. After they would have done that I wouldn't mind how much they kept hyping it up. It's the "we only bring the positive side of the story" what I didn't like.
On November 10 2011 00:04 crms wrote: I'd also like a response from tastosis seeing as they hyped this event quite a bit, I hope they know of all the troubles and stop hyping. ~_~
I agree with this. It felt a bit weird today during their GSL cast they only mentioned how great the tournament was. Made me like them a bit less. (just from 100% likable to 99%) When being in the frontline and all eyes pointed at you already because you have been drinking with that gus guy, you could at least say something like: we can't go in details but unfortunately some things went really wrong too and we feel sorry for people who were treated badly and hope everything will be solved.
I think it's really important to them as professionals that they represent the organizations they work with in the most positive light possible. It's not really their place to use the platform GOM gives them to trash talk someone else they've done work for, even if (as in this case) the criticism is entirely valid. We have to remember that Tasteless and Artosis aren't just dudes we all love that log on and cast games, they're employees of large organizations and depend on their excellent reputations as professionals that do their best for whoever hires them for their livelihood.
Thanks for poining that out, I guess that's the case. They probably even have a contract that doesn't allow them to. Still for me personally, pretending bad stuff didn't happen makes professionals really look bad. Keep being positive about the organisation you work for even if they did something wrong never feels right. Honesty goes a long way, so even when you talk about bad stuff, in the end people might respect your organisation even more because you don't cover stuff up.
Like when GOM quickly removed the part of Jinro saying he could hear casters in the booth, that's bad. How IPL quickly reacted, that's good.
Keep in mind that the problem was PPSL was basically Gus himself. The other people involved, the audience, the players, they didn't do anything wrong. They can't just say "Wow that event was awful" on air at GSL, that'd be incredibly rude and disrespectful to all the innocent bystanders in some way involved in the tourny. Like people have said, if Artosis gets on SotG, that's a better place to talk about it because he can explain what was actually wrong without just giving a big, blanket statement that the tournament was bad.
Yes I guess. For the record I don't mean for them saying the tournament was bad. And if they didn't say anything about it I could understand it too.
But what I didn't like was them saying it was great and keep hyping it while not saying, unfortunately some things went wrong too but we hope these will be solved. After they would have done that I wouldn't mind how much they kept hyping it up. It's the "we only bring the positive side of the story" what I didn't like.
They acted like professionals. It's not their place to talk about problems with the tournament, especially at a job that has no association with it.
What a fakeass bitch. This guy enrages me. His FB posts were all about gloating with tastosis... if only he had spent the time 'getting wasted with tastosis' on actually managing the god damn event. what a fucking sad case of a human being. rot in hell you piece of shit.
I was hoping so hard that this event would bring light to how great the SEA community is and how we can also host world class events on par with Europe or America instead this happens and now the SEA E-sports scene as deth said 'has been put back years'.
I am just so disappointed and I hope SEA will get another chance to host a great event properly this time.
Justin(TheGunrun) saved Clive by footing the bill. He's a hero and shelled out his own cash to help a guy he met in person only a couple of days ago. And our community is now trying to raise money to pay him back if Gus would eventually decide not to reimburse him and run away from the bill that had HE had to pay.
[edit for clarification] TheGunRun paid for the HOTEL bill which is around $800 AFAIK. So the $12k in airline fees are not yet settled.
Update! It appears that gus showed up to the hotel (a bit late) and will hopefully settle the bill with justin. source from livibee twitter
update 2 Clive has just gotten back home, Hotel bills were settled(by TheGunrun) but Amanda is still trying to work out the airline bills with gus
Holy god what a shitstorm. I hope the people that put so much of their time and resources into this disaster make it out ok. Good luck to everyone who got screwed in this deal.
On November 09 2011 21:14 Paladia wrote: A lesson to be learnt here is that, unfortunately, you don't do events in a country without a proper justice system. The money involved, poverty and lack of reprisal from the police makes for a very bad setting. The wiki travel page for the Philippines even warns of the scams going on there.
as far as I know mineski's event for WCG qualifiers last time was successful. the country's justice system is by no means a reflection on how a certain group or individual do their business. most of your statement are mere negativity thrown at the Philippines and I admit they are true. but for Christ sake why bring it up if it was not even the cause of the issue at hand?
any updates on this Gus guy? people like him bring our country down more. i hate him for doing that and i hate him for ruining e-sports here in SEA.
On November 10 2011 02:26 Rabbet wrote: Whoa whoa whoa people, he said he was sorry. There are TWO sides to a coin and before anyone crucifies poor Gus we should hear the complete story.
PS who obligates themselves to 12k of hotel bills?
Really you should read up. Two sides? We've heard like 20 stories from people screwed over by 1 man. Now that 1 man comes with this halfass excuse for all the hassle and shady business.. He explains Nothing.
Not where sponsor money has went
Not why the HoN tournament was postphoned
Not why team Cube wasn't invited,
Not why YoonYJ was screwed over
Not why Amanda hasn't received the prepaid hotel money
What he has done with all the sponsor money
Not why the brackets were re-arranged so his (AZK) team didn't have to face each other
Etc etc
IPL even reacted by clearing their name from his actions. Now we have multipal topics with drama all stemming from his original malicious organisational actions and we only have this OP as an explanation to all of it? Complete story only lies with Gus, so if you want his side look up the opening post. If you want all other sides/stories just cruise TL and reddit. This man has made a disgrace of his team, fucked over the SEA community/IPL/Amanda/Clive/YoonYJ/team cube/HoN teams and tries to get away with 'sorry - ok?'.
Go. To. Hell. You fuck over SEA E-sports and many people involved in the event, and then you have the audacity to ASSume that we are stupid enough to accept some bullshit apology letter!? You better fix this clusterfuck before we bring all this shit you've caused down on your head. You don't piss on a community millions strong, no matter how utterly retarded you are.
But in all seriousness, you've just basically said "This is what has occured, and I'm sorry."
No mention of what you are going to do to resolve this situation apart from promise Cube future representation in events and whatnot. And what about why this shit happened? That's what we'd like to hear.
None of us really buy the "We didn't have enough funds" excuse which was only really used to explain YoonYJ's situation. What about the HoN tournament? What about the Team Cube situation? What about the changed brackets?
On November 10 2011 02:04 OmniEulogy wrote: can't believe IGN was insanely stupid enough to work with that guy without any research he was already known in the SEA community to be a moron
To be fair, this was his only colossal cock-up, correct?
Or has he had a longer history of bullshittery than just this one incident?
But in all seriousness, you've just basically said "This is what has occured, and I'm sorry."
No mention of what you are going to do to resolve this situation apart from promise Cube future representation in events and whatnot. And what about why this shit happened? That's what we'd like to hear.
None of us really buy the "We didn't have enough funds" excuse which was only really used to explain YoonYJ's situation. What about the HoN tournament? What about the Team Cube situation? What about the changed brackets?
They all probably thought they were gonna get paid.
But in all seriousness, you've just basically said "This is what has occured, and I'm sorry."
No mention of what you are going to do to resolve this situation apart from promise Cube future representation in events and whatnot. And what about why this shit happened? That's what we'd like to hear.
None of us really buy the "We didn't have enough funds" excuse which was only really used to explain YoonYJ's situation. What about the HoN tournament? What about the Team Cube situation? What about the changed brackets?
They all probably thought they were gonna get paid.
NOPE! Gus Ledesma.
that was actually pretty funny OT: This thread vaguely reminds me of the millenium's statement on the stephano situation.
Okay, I know I asked for people to relax and stuff earlier.. But now he's fucking done it! I hope that he gets to cover _everyone_ out of his private pocket, even if it means he will have to work 4 years at a McDonalds, friggin douchebag
On November 10 2011 03:59 Talic_Zealot wrote: The GunRun fucking supported the foundation for the whole event to prevent it from collapsing, not just the stream.
I don't have the time to keep it updated or I would do myself, but this guy deserves a fanclub
But in all seriousness, you've just basically said "This is what has occured, and I'm sorry."
No mention of what you are going to do to resolve this situation apart from promise Cube future representation in events and whatnot. And what about why this shit happened? That's what we'd like to hear.
None of us really buy the "We didn't have enough funds" excuse which was only really used to explain YoonYJ's situation. What about the HoN tournament? What about the Team Cube situation? What about the changed brackets?
They all probably thought they were gonna get paid.
NOPE! Gus Ledesma.
that was actually pretty funny OT: This thread vaguely reminds me of the millenium's statement on the stephano situation.
That made my day lol... And yea still fuck you gus. Poor Amanda. <3 Gunrun for the 900 hotel fee. Go go IGN!
Honestly, I'm blown away at the magnitude of this.
I'm in disbelief that someone could even try and pass that off as an apology.
Gus has literally lost all credibility, respect, and at this point, all he should be doing is paying what he owes, and going into ESPORTS EXILE.
There is no excuse for any of this. The longer he goes without speaking just hurts his case that much more. Although I'm not sure how much worse it could get for him...
It's funny that he writes this as an apology from the PPSL when in fact it should be his own personal apology and admission of guilt for being completely corrupt and incompetent. A mod should rename the OP.
On November 10 2011 04:30 gds wrote: Seriously, is it a FACT that he kept he money for himself? Because if not, all these are pure defamations...
Well the fact that there are so many outstanding debts and allegations stacked up against him which have good evidence backing them up is pretty damning. Besides, going AWOL is not the best way to prove your innocence.
It is known that he has betrayed enough people and acted like an ass. I actually don't think he took money, he just fucked up big and there is no money.
On November 10 2011 04:30 gds wrote: Seriously, is it a FACT that he kept he money for himself? Because if not, all these are pure defamations...
Be that as it may, the longer he goes without clarifying exactly what the fuck is happening, the worse it looks for him. This is what happens when you are responsible for a possible MAJOR scandal. Lack of transparency and accountability are reasons why the community is so outraged. Since the event, people have been up in arms, and all we get is this piss poor excuse for an explanation? Defamation is the least of his worries at this point.
Minor update; it is roughly 3:30 in the morning in the Philippines and several individuals involved in running PPSL, including those outside of Team AZK, are still trying to get a hold of Gus.
Team AZK itself seems to have split apart - there are those within the team that have fallen victim to Gus' manipulation and eventual failure.
He not only cheated the community, the players, the tournament, the fans who attended and people like Clive and Amanda who put their trust in him, but he even cheated his own team members. These same team members are now the ones trying to find ways to fix his problem, even if it's through their own pockets.
All the various threads just say Gus was on his way to the hotel and that Amanda owes 12k and that Gunrun helped pay for hotel, doesn't say if Gus ever showed up. Is he still missing?
To be honest though, 13k is a lot of money. An average Joe would sure as hell be tempted by it. People kill for less, so yeah, I'm not too surprised if someone goes through all this to swindle that money.
Pretty sure this something to do with Gus, as I believe she was there.
Yes, Rachel was there, and she was a trooper. Without her, TorcH, TGR, etc, all of whom flew in and weren't supposed to do all the things they did, the event would have collapsed completely. And I'm not so sure about an international lawsuit until IPL makes a statement, but it's confirmed at the moment that IPL staff are in talks with people responsible for PPSL, including Gus. If Gus won't make a valid statement (and not a shitty "apology") clearing shit up and explaining what's going to the people he fucked over, hopefully the folks at IPL will on his behalf.
Can't embezzle money, leave other people in debt and expect to get home free.
Should it come to a lawsuit, best case for Gus is that he gets away with a fine and having to pay off all the outstanding debt. Worst case, he has to go to jail for 3-5 years and has to pay off all the outstanding debt.
You know why those messages to the community work for other people? Because they actually address our concerns and provide evidence that they are correcting their mistakes. You should have known that this post would not end well for you or your league.
On November 10 2011 05:56 Hexxed wrote: I really hope they pursue legal action against this scumbag. For the sake of our esport we cannot not make an example of him.
Have you guys seen Gus? He looks like an absolute monkey. This fucker is scamming the community and something really needs to be done. Legal action should be pursued. Perhaps send in the underworld to clean up this sorry excuse of a human being.
On November 10 2011 06:27 vali wrote: And we taught Xeris was bad this guy beats him by lightyears
What? Why in the heavens would you even compare Xeris to this guy? NASL has paid all of their prizemoney, and Xeris has always been an active poster around here about whats happening..
You mentioning him by name in this context is disgraceful
why do people keep linking that tweet? it's a fucking tweet from someone who may have been there but wasn't part of the administrative staff for the event. what significance does it actually have?
On November 10 2011 07:06 redtooth wrote: why do people keep linking that tweet? it's a fucking tweet from someone who may have been there but wasn't part of the administrative staff for the event. what significance does it actually have?
On November 10 2011 06:27 vali wrote: And we taught Xeris was bad this guy beats him by lightyears
What? Why in the heavens would you even compare Xeris to this guy? NASL has paid all of their prizemoney, and Xeris has always been an active poster around here about whats happening..
You mentioning him by name in this context is disgraceful
He took the VIP seats of some people who had won them at a contest at MLG, and when the guys told him why the seat was theirs, he said something like "He earned them through hard work" or something really cocky. But yeah, small issue.
On November 10 2011 07:06 redtooth wrote: why do people keep linking that tweet? it's a fucking tweet from someone who may have been there but wasn't part of the administrative staff for the event. what significance does it actually have?
On November 10 2011 07:06 redtooth wrote: why do people keep linking that tweet? it's a fucking tweet from someone who may have been there but wasn't part of the administrative staff for the event. what significance does it actually have?
Are you referring to Seltzer's tweet?
yes
Seltzer, Rachel Quirico (SP?), is Torch's girlfriend, and was one of the major contributors of help at the event after it went downhill. She and Torch worked very hard alongside TheGunRun and the admin staff there to keep everything rolling, and to keep the public informed.
On November 10 2011 07:06 redtooth wrote: why do people keep linking that tweet? it's a fucking tweet from someone who may have been there but wasn't part of the administrative staff for the event. what significance does it actually have?
she was in fact there as a host, and has done stuff for IPL in the past. Given the timing of the tweet and the fact that a lot of people are coming out saying they were screwed over, its easy to speculate that IGN may be pursuing some sort of legal action against Gus.
On November 10 2011 07:55 morpheus2480 wrote: Twitter conversation I am having with Gus
I'm interested to see how he non-apologises his way out of another apology opportunity by not actually owning up to anything or explaining why there were issues in the first place. He hardly has a leg to stand on considering how it's been fairly conclusively shown through evidence provided by the affected parties that Gus was not simply incompetent but also seemingly intentionally allowing certain issues to occur (and telling people "good luck with that" when they want an explanation as to why they're getting screwed and threatening to bring this to the public's attention).
Another non-answer. He never stated that the bill was paid.
Yeah the way he doges any question is pathetic, it really looks like someone who is completly lost/panicking but is trying to keep a "public" face eventhough he doesn't know how to. If it was really a premedited scam he would have run away and we would not hear about this guy, but it looks like he is just extremely incompetent and got himself into something too big for him. I would almost feel sorry for the guy if he had not put other people in some serious shit in the process.
EDIT: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW his twitter profile disapeared .... I guess a hundred of people insulted him but yeah... things are not going better.
On November 10 2011 07:36 Licmyobelisk wrote: Hello guys, there's no hope in this person. He just lied to me once again that he has paid the hotel. (the gun run has done it, but instead of paying in bills to the gun run, he failed a complaint against the hotel T_T).
Here's what happened between me and him in the hotel (where I was being held/confined).
-He came in the hotel at around 3pm, he said he has 10,500 PHP to pay for the hotel accommodations of the players -I told hotel staff that if ever this person pays for his debt then give the money to TGR. -He didn't left there, but I told security to keep an eye on him. -After being so burnt out since I've been driving Rachel, Trev and Allyn back and forth from hotel to hotel. It was really tempting that he would stay there for me instead of me staying there. -Now this is pretty crucial, I was given two options by the guards. * I told the guards that this man could maybe pay the hotel right away at around 5pm (which he "promised) * Or the guards with police told me it's the best time to get Gus in the precinct to file a document with his signature on it that he has debt to everyone in both the AZK staffs and the hotels. - I choose the latter option, in which documentations will be made in the precinct in order for us to file a complaint against him and at least legalized a proper document that makes him liable of all the debts that we currently have. - Last thing I heard from Amanda is that Gus had a friend lawyer telling the hotel that "it was illegal to hold a person because it's against the law". - After this I have no update yet, only thing I know right now is I'm saved by Justin and Gus needs to go to Jail.
His a lying, cheating and manipulative bastard. He just destroyed two livelihood. I will add more of his shady ordeals when I was with him so that things like this in the Esports community will never happen again.
On November 10 2011 06:27 vali wrote: And we taught Xeris was bad this guy beats him by lightyears
What? Why in the heavens would you even compare Xeris to this guy? NASL has paid all of their prizemoney, and Xeris has always been an active poster around here about whats happening..
You mentioning him by name in this context is disgraceful
You phrased this better than I could have and completely addressed my thoughts. Solid post ELA, I agree 100%
Xeris should not have his name muddied by comparison.
On November 10 2011 07:36 Licmyobelisk wrote: Hello guys, there's no hope in this person. He just lied to me once again that he has paid the hotel. (the gun run has done it, but instead of paying in bills to the gun run, he failed a complaint against the hotel T_T).
Here's what happened between me and him in the hotel (where I was being held/confined).
-He came in the hotel at around 3pm, he said he has 10,500 PHP to pay for the hotel accommodations of the players -I told hotel staff that if ever this person pays for his debt then give the money to TGR. -He didn't left there, but I told security to keep an eye on him. -After being so burnt out since I've been driving Rachel, Trev and Allyn back and forth from hotel to hotel. It was really tempting that he would stay there for me instead of me staying there. -Now this is pretty crucial, I was given two options by the guards. * I told the guards that this man could maybe pay the hotel right away at around 5pm (which he "promised) * Or the guards with police told me it's the best time to get Gus in the precinct to file a document with his signature on it that he has debt to everyone in both the AZK staffs and the hotels. - I choose the latter option, in which documentations will be made in the precinct in order for us to file a complaint against him and at least legalized a proper document that makes him liable of all the debts that we currently have. - Last thing I heard from Amanda is that Gus had a friend lawyer telling the hotel that "it was illegal to hold a person because it's against the law". - After this I have no update yet, only thing I know right now is I'm saved by Justin and Gus needs to go to Jail.
His a lying, cheating and manipulative bastard. He just destroyed two livelihood. I will add more of his shady ordeals when I was with him so that things like this in the Esports community will never happen again.
He needs to stop picking up the shovel and digging his hole even deeper. People are giving him chance after chance to actually fix the issues or at least make some headway into making sure that things can begin to get back on track. However, it seems like Gus is determined to continually close those doors and instead try to get out of this through some sneaky little back door while throwing everyone else under a bus.
If he was clean he would be going on Lo3 in about 40 minutes to explain that he had payed everything and sorry again for organizing a terrible tournament. Looking forward to a Wheat/Scoots/Slasher rant.
On November 10 2011 07:55 morpheus2480 wrote: Twitter conversation I am having with Gus
This probably isn't something that should be continued, it would just be giving him more attention. When the money gets paid, ESPORTS and Gus should move on from eachother, and until the money gets paid, there shouldn't be much contact.
This only confirms that TGR covered for the hotel bills. This fool is still in denial of the shitfest he's made for himself and he seems to have some psychological disorder as a pathological liar.
This only confirms that TGR covered for the hotel bills. This fool is still in denial of the shitfest he's made for himself and he seems to have some psychological disorder as a pathological liar.
Well it is a little odd that he says "I told him he could go home and he was able to."
This only confirms that TGR covered for the hotel bills. This fool is still in denial of the shitfest he's made for himself and he seems to have some psychological disorder as a pathological liar.
Well it is a little odd that he says "I told him he could go home and he was able to."
It's his way of dodging the issue. Similar to how he supposedly had apologized to Dox and that they've settled the matter only for Dox to come out and say that he hasn't heard from Gus in a long time.
This only confirms that TGR covered for the hotel bills. This fool is still in denial of the shitfest he's made for himself and he seems to have some psychological disorder as a pathological liar.
Well it is a little odd that he says "I told him he could go home and he was able to."
It looks like a half-truth non-answer... We need details on what went down.
you basically said that there was no funding for every wrong thing that you did. If there was not enough money to fly out YoonYJ why was there enough to fly out MoonGlade if he joined your team???
about the computers, afaik one problem was that there were 2 drivers installed on them, so it caused a conflict or something. i don't really understand, but that was the explanation given to me during the event.
On November 10 2011 06:27 vali wrote: And we taught Xeris was bad this guy beats him by lightyears
What? Why in the heavens would you even compare Xeris to this guy? NASL has paid all of their prizemoney, and Xeris has always been an active poster around here about whats happening..
You mentioning him by name in this context is disgraceful
You phrased this better than I could have and completely addressed my thoughts. Solid post ELA, I agree 100%
Xeris should not have his name muddied by comparison.
there's no question that xeris did wrong, and he did say this guy beats him by lightyears (that means a lot if you didnt know LOL). dont get what there is to complain about
Is it true there was insufficient RAM on the PC's?
This is entirely bullshit! I was the one who fixed the framerate issue on day 1. The PCs provided by the sponsors were more than enough to run SC2. As soon as I figured out what the problem was, I ran SC2, played the game at Ultra settings @1080p, framerate never dropped and even got as high as 160+. I did however limit the framerate to minimum 30 and maximum 60 which is all that's needed anyway. And about the RAM issue, the computer only used 1.2GB of RAM during all that test.
Seems that Gus hasn't gotten back to Slasher about getting onto Lo3. He went AWOL as soon as he said he'd go on and Slasher hasn't been able to get onto him.
On November 10 2011 09:18 Frogsox wrote: Seems that Gus hasn't gotten back to Slasher about getting onto Lo3. He went AWOL as soon as he said he'd go on and Slasher hasn't been able to get onto him.
You spending your money on teammates and god knows what else is not a 'funding problem'. That's you being a fucking tool. Breaking contracts and commitments isn't covered by an 'I'm sorry', nor is it the result of being inexperienced. From the sounds of it, most of AZK's management needs to get the fuck out of eSports (and anywhere else with responsibility/power). AZKwitchdoc: you're cancer, go away.
Is it true there was insufficient RAM on the PC's?
This is entirely bullshit! I was the one who fixed the framerate issue on day 1. The PCs provided by the sponsors were more than enough to run SC2. As soon as I figured out what the problem was, I ran SC2, played the game at Ultra settings @1080p, framerate never dropped and even got as high as 160+. I did however limit the framerate to minimum 30 and maximum 60 which is all that's needed anyway. And about the RAM issue, the computer only used 1.2GB of RAM during all that test.
Thanks for the info... I have more questions if you don't mind?
-Were the booths sound proofed(from the start)? -What is the deal with the casters having to hold microphones rather than having headsets? -What was the bandwidth for your ISP?
about the computers, afaik one problem was that there were 2 drivers installed on them, so it caused a conflict or something. i don't really understand, but that was the explanation given to me during the event.
Exactly what Pobbes said. I'm sorry bro that your experience was as good as I have hoped.
I had no control over the situation, not until I got on the event itself where I was actually able to troubleshoot the problem.
To the community
Before jumping to conclusions and start blaming someone about the driver conflict, I and my partner had no way to get it fixed before the event started as it wasn't us who did the installation of the software. And I am 100% not blaming the tech guys that the sponsors provided as it is not their fault.
I am still compiling my experience of the event and I will post a more detailed picture of what really happened.
I tried to stay silent as I have hoped that Gus would at least communicate with us and not leave us hanging by a thread, but so far, nothing. So here I am.
-Were the booths sound proofed(from the start)? -What is the deal with the casters having to hold microphones rather than having headsets? -What was the bandwidth for your ISP?
I even had no idea that there was a problem with the booths, not until I read it here. I was too busy handling the framerate drop issue. Removing the conflicting driver didn't resolve the problem and we had to resort to reinstalling the whole thing.
-on the casters, I was even surprised when I saw them on stage holding microphones, I even asked one person (can't remember the name), and he responded "did they ever have headsets?" I was like "okay."
The agreed bandwidth with the ISP sponsoring the event was 8mbps down and 8mbps up, I think this was mentioned by John on his post, I'm not sure. Now, when we were running tests, the downspeed was running at an average of 2-5mbps and up was at 7.xxmbps, do note that I am not in charge of streaming and I don't know if upspeed was sufficient to run a decent stream, what I do know is that 2-5mbps is more than enough to run a game of starcraft with no lag issues at all.
Most of us are in shock and most are just trying to get some rest. As for me, I'm still at work and trying my best to monitor what's happening.
As far as I know, no one from the group has been compensated, yet.
Sounds like you guys are really trying to make things right. I'm hopeful that AZK will come out on top. Band together, keep your head up, and move forward.
On November 10 2011 09:18 Frogsox wrote: Seems that Gus hasn't gotten back to Slasher about getting onto Lo3. He went AWOL as soon as he said he'd go on and Slasher hasn't been able to get onto him.
They probably were DM-ing each other.
Slasher said on air on Live on 3 that Gus said "be right back" after he agreed to be on the show and has not come back since despite Slasher trying to get in touch with him to update.
Finally, on the show Gus has gotten back to Slasher saying that he "can't find a microphone" and wants to reschedule. FFS.
Gus can't make Lo3 because he has no mic and no time to get one (because he's too busy at the moment)
He wants to reschedule and Wheat, Slasher, Scoots are all going to try get him on the show till he comes on (even if he takes 1 year).
Why can't he do text based updates?
Pretty sure there's a myriad ways for him to do it that way.
To be honest given the format of the show he needs to be on the show in a capacity where he can speak and communicate quickly and efficiently. Whether or not the microphone issue really exists.
On November 10 2011 10:08 Necrophantasia wrote: Question is why has he not fled the country with the $$ yet. Is he stupid enough to believe that he can dodge his way out of this?
I think his decision making up to this point can explain that...
Why the heck would he flee the country over this? This isn't as big as you think in the real world and here the Philippines, a third world country, you'd be lucky to even get a the police to notice you. This will do NOTHING to his lifestyle, after all this, things will be status quo for him. That's the sad reality folks.
On November 10 2011 10:05 Doraemon wrote: LOL how can someone like gus not have a mic
Seriously, what the fuck? The last 5 computers I have had in the past 10+years, that were not high end computers at ALL, all came with one just built right the fuck in. I can't imagine, I cannot fathom, anyone that purports to be a gamer of any kind, would simply not have a fucking mic.
On November 10 2011 10:05 Doraemon wrote: LOL how can someone like gus not have a mic
Seriously, what the fuck? The last 5 computers I have had in the past 10+years, that were not high end computers at ALL, all came with one just built right the fuck in. I can't imagine, I cannot fathom, anyone that purports to be a gamer of any kind, would simply not have a fucking mic.
I think that's why the Lo3 crew sounded pretty skeptical of his excuses.
On November 10 2011 10:05 Doraemon wrote: LOL how can someone like gus not have a mic
Seriously, what the fuck? The last 5 computers I have had in the past 10+years, that were not high end computers at ALL, all came with one just built right the fuck in. I can't imagine, I cannot fathom, anyone that purports to be a gamer of any kind, would simply not have a fucking mic.
According to people who have known him, apparently he does have a mic. He's been known to talk while streaming and his computer (macbook air) has an in-built microphone.
That probably makes it his 1656th lie in the past couple of months? I'm actually starting to think that he really does have some sort of mental disorder.
On November 10 2011 10:15 Dox wrote: Next excuse: pc doesn't have enough RAM to run skype. Trollface.
You know, Dox, considering the quality and believability of all those lies he's been spewing so far, I would not be surprised if he actually uses that excuse next time. -_-
On November 10 2011 10:05 Doraemon wrote: LOL how can someone like gus not have a mic
Seriously, what the fuck? The last 5 computers I have had in the past 10+years, that were not high end computers at ALL, all came with one just built right the fuck in. I can't imagine, I cannot fathom, anyone that purports to be a gamer of any kind, would simply not have a fucking mic.
To be fair, I don't have a mic, and my computer is "relatively" ok (Core 2 Duo, 4GB Ram, GeForce 9800GT, ...). It's not that uncommon for people to not have a mic. But of course, somebody pointed out that Gus does have a mic, and have communicated with them in the recent past. Maybe he just conveniently forgot that he does own a mic. Hey it could happen. I forget some stuff that I own sometimes...actually I never do :">
On November 10 2011 10:41 morpheus2480 wrote:unless it's a Blackberry T_T
Even still, I'd find it hard to believe that they couldn't rig something up to just have him on the show via a simple phone call. If he wants to come on, by any form of media - text, voice, whatever, it can be done. He's just being a snake and refusing to man up.
On November 10 2011 10:15 Dox wrote: Next excuse: pc doesn't have enough RAM to run skype. Trollface.
You know, Dox, considering the quality and believability of all those lies he's been spewing so far, I would not be surprised if he actually uses that excuse next time. -_-
What about "there're not enough viewers watching"? What about "me no English, no speak, only write"? What about "my keyboard broke"?
On November 10 2011 10:53 chii wrote: Re smartphone: He has an iPhone 4S.
Probably where some of the money went....
His FB pictures show him flashing some DSLRs with expensive looking lenses. He definitely could pay the debt if he sold off some of these stuff.
That's the thing that shocked me. Earlier in the day, he posted about how he lost his job working eSports, yet he's floating around with a Mac Air, doubling up with Iphone and Blackberry, rolling out parties for AZK "BarCraft," flying two players and two managers to IPL 3 on the other side of the planet.
Remember that IPL just came out and said their sponsorship was $14k cash, for a tournament with a $2k prizepool, and IPL is not the sole sponsor.
On November 10 2011 10:05 Doraemon wrote: LOL how can someone like gus not have a mic
Seriously, what the fuck? The last 5 computers I have had in the past 10+years, that were not high end computers at ALL, all came with one just built right the fuck in. I can't imagine, I cannot fathom, anyone that purports to be a gamer of any kind, would simply not have a fucking mic.
Well to be fair, most gaming desktops do not have mics built in. But I find it highly unlikely that anyone involved in the esports scene would not have a mic, or access to one.
On November 10 2011 10:53 chii wrote: Re smartphone: He has an iPhone 4S.
Probably where some of the money went....
His FB pictures show him flashing some DSLRs with expensive looking lenses. He definitely could pay the debt if he sold off some of these stuff.
That's the thing that shocked me. Earlier in the day, he posted about how he lost his job working eSports, yet he's floating around with a Mac Air, doubling up with Iphone and Blackberry, rolling out parties for AZK "BarCraft," flying two players and two managers to IPL 3 on the other side of the planet.
Remember that IPL just came out and said their sponsorship was $14k cash, for a tournament with a $2k prizepool, and IPL is not the sole sponsor.
He never worked at esports. He mostly worked on his own self-image. It was never about esports.
On November 10 2011 10:53 chii wrote: Re smartphone: He has an iPhone 4S.
Probably where some of the money went....
His FB pictures show him flashing some DSLRs with expensive looking lenses. He definitely could pay the debt if he sold off some of these stuff.
That's the thing that shocked me. Earlier in the day, he posted about how he lost his job working eSports, yet he's floating around with a Mac Air, doubling up with Iphone and Blackberry, rolling out parties for AZK "BarCraft," flying two players and two managers to IPL 3 on the other side of the planet.
Remember that IPL just came out and said their sponsorship was $14k cash, for a tournament with a $2k prizepool, and IPL is not the sole sponsor.
I thought that post earlier today was from someone else in AZK, not Gus.
On November 10 2011 10:15 Dox wrote: Next excuse: pc doesn't have enough RAM to run skype. Trollface.
You know, Dox, considering the quality and believability of all those lies he's been spewing so far, I would not be surprised if he actually uses that excuse next time. -_-
What about "there're not enough viewers watching"? What about "me no English, no speak, only write"? What about "my keyboard broke"?
On November 10 2011 11:10 JinDesu wrote: Someone on the stream chat says the 12k was paid for. Can someone confirm that or debunk that?
This is news to me. I need to see some solid confirmation of this though before I believe it.
I don't have access to the stream chat at work - someone said it, Slasher asked community for confirmation, and is unable to confirm it. So just wondering if that someone was spewing bullshit.
On November 10 2011 10:15 Dox wrote: Next excuse: pc doesn't have enough RAM to run skype. Trollface.
You know, Dox, considering the quality and believability of all those lies he's been spewing so far, I would not be surprised if he actually uses that excuse next time. -_-
What about "there're not enough viewers watching"? What about "me no English, no speak, only write"? What about "my keyboard broke"?
Someone in Lo3 chat knew clide and asked clide if the 12k had been paid. Clide said no.
Also, now it looks like Seltzer and Tasteless had to pay their own hotel bills. Seltzer said she's out $700, I'm assuming that's what it was for, but she didn't say.
S2, the sponsors of the HoN tournament, said that Gus has not paid back the 2k they gave him for the prize pool. Slasher was in contact with one of their employees during the stream.
On November 10 2011 11:31 Shel wrote: Someone in Lo3 chat knew clide and asked clide if the 12k had been paid. Clide said no.
Also, now it looks like Seltzer and Tasteless had to pay their own hotel bills. Seltzer said she's out $700, I'm assuming that's what it was for, but she didn't say.
S2, the sponsors of the HoN tournament, said that Gus has not paid back the 2k they gave him for the prize pool. Slasher was in contact with one of their employees during the stream.
Gus you are complete and utter trash, your half-assed organising and your half-assed apologies are not welcome, you are ruined, your team (through no fault of their own) is also ruined, do the most decent thing you can do right now and pay up scumbag.
On November 10 2011 09:53 JinDesu wrote: Gus stated on Lo3 that he cannot make it in due to the lack of a microphone.
His mic worked fine a few weeks ago when he Skype called me...
His mic worked great last week when he called me on skype too. I'm open to giving this guy the benefit of doubt until everything gets cleared up but... it's getting more difficult with each passing day.
I am going to guess what happen. Judging by the OP's country he is from a third world country. He receive a sum in a lump and becomes wholey greedy to keep some for himself. He knows of the backlash but is determined to keep the money and hide away...
On November 10 2011 23:05 ih8Australia wrote: I am going to guess what happen. Judging by the OP's country he is from a third world country. He receive a sum in a lump and becomes wholey greedy to keep some for himself. He knows of the backlash but is determined to keep the money and hide away...
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You mention that he is from a third world country and then attribute this bad things to him. How wealthy/industrialized is your country (Bangladesh)?
On November 10 2011 23:05 ih8Australia wrote: I am going to guess what happen. Judging by the OP's country he is from a third world country. He receive a sum in a lump and becomes wholey greedy to keep some for himself. He knows of the backlash but is determined to keep the money and hide away...
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I really don't see the link. If the country you're from is a third world country = you're greedy/immoral/dishonest? Does that mean you're like that too? Because the last i heard, Bangladesh is a third world country too.
While it is COMPLETELY off topic, "third world" only refers to a countries economic system during the cold war. 1st and 2nd world were countries that had adopted either democracy or communism and the 3rd world were countries that hadn't clearly adopted either.
Given the progress we've made in development, third world = poor simply doesn't hold anymore. In fact, a lot of "third world" countries are showing double digit GPD per capita growth.
I rant about this because if I think too hard about the OP it makes me want to set things on fire.
On November 10 2011 23:05 ih8Australia wrote: I am going to guess what happen. Judging by the OP's country he is from a third world country. He receive a sum in a lump and becomes wholey greedy to keep some for himself. He knows of the backlash but is determined to keep the money and hide away...
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is off topic. you have to first go to country before judging.
There's $12.9k pocketed, converted to chemical delights, and railed up the nose / slammed up the vein.
Yeaaaaah, so high... nodding... yes... oh shit 2:45pm on tourny day?!!!!! Better run. Show up at 3pm, completely blasted aka "not in the right mind to lead us".
When someone is riding an opiate high, one does not give the slightest fuck about anyone, or anything else for that matter. Honestly this is typical junkie behavior that I think the staff/team members/sponsors should look into.
This guy is definitely on something, I'm willing to bet all my money on that.
Keep this 3rd world country shit out of the equation, it has absolutely fuck all to do with anything going on here. There are such things as douchebags in first world countries too, geniuses.
On November 10 2011 23:05 ih8Australia wrote: I am going to guess what happen. Judging by the OP's country he is from a third world country. He receive a sum in a lump and becomes wholey greedy to keep some for himself. He knows of the backlash but is determined to keep the money and hide away...
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You mention that he is from a third world country and then attribute this bad things to him. How wealthy/industrialized is your country (Bangladesh)?
About 1/3 GDP per capita of Philippines. Oh the irony.
An insider told me that actually, Gus has been feeling like a high-roller and running his mouth coz he has a wealthy bank roller/business partner from the US. Dunno. Thats what a dude who's been dealing with Gus told me.
This Gus, I can say, is really a smug sort of guy. You can just see the arrogance seeping through his skin. I was introduced to him at the event and actually watched him deal with people. If you look at all the promo materials too, its always photos of him trying to look cool in his team jacket. I mean, aren't the players supposed to be the stars? WTF. Egomaniac that bit off more than he could chew. I mean, who the hell puts "BOSS" on their tourney ID? Oh the douchery.
The string of promises and how intertwined and interdependent the promises are makes me think this is like a Ponzi scheme.
Promise to a lot of people. No funds to fulfill that promise. Promise to entity/person B to fund first promise. New sponsor arrives. Can fulfill promise B. Promise something to entity/person C. Get excited at the possiblity.Promise a lot to entity/person C-G No funds to fulfill promise to entity/person C-G. Promise to H and use funds to pay C-G
On November 11 2011 02:33 v98235 wrote: An insider told me that actually, Gus has been feeling like a high-roller and running his mouth coz he has a wealthy bank roller/business partner from the US. Dunno. Thats what a dude who's been dealing with Gus told me.
This Gus, I can say, is really a smug sort of guy. You can just see the arrogance seeping through his skin. I was introduced to him at the event and actually watched him deal with people. If you look at all the promo materials too, its always photos of him trying to look cool in his team jacket. I mean, aren't the players supposed to be the stars? WTF. Egomaniac that bit off more than he could chew. I mean, who the hell puts "BOSS" on their tourney ID? Oh the douchery.
FXOBoss?
Seriously though, the "insider info" you have doesn't really amount to much if you aren't going to cite a source.
No offense intended, but I don't know you from a hole in the wall, and this just continues to fuel the rumor mill, which isn't helping right now.
On November 11 2011 03:02 chii wrote: The string of promises and how intertwined and interdependent the promises are makes me think this is like a Ponzi scheme.
Promise to a lot of people. No funds to fulfill that promise. Promise to entity/person B to fund first promise. New sponsor arrives. Can fulfill promise B. Promise something to entity/person C. Get excited at the possiblity.Promise a lot to entity/person C-G No funds to fulfill promise to entity/person C-G. Promise to H and use funds to pay C-G
GG
Yup, I could very well see this as the motivation for all the lies. Perhaps Gus hoped that the event will work out fine and bring good reputation to him and AZK, and enable him to rope in more sponsors for future events. This funding could then be used for all current debt, but he is an idiot and some stuff just cannot work on promises and needs money now, not in a few months. Clive and the hotel staff were already in talk with the police, if I understood it right, and Amanda's bill also cannot be kept secret, so his structure of promises and lies collapses.
This also reminds me of the prize money thread. All those events not paying out prize money seem suspicious, too. If Gus would have done it like that, holding prize money back instead of travel costs, he could have kept up his web of lies for at least a few months longer, and would now only have to explain why the event was organized badly.
This is of course all pure pessimistic guesswork, fueled by rumors, but I cannot see why he would not come out and talk, if he actually has money and not only empty promises. This is even all happening in the middle of the week and not over the weekend.
On November 11 2011 03:07 HackBenjamin wrote: FXOBoss?
Seriously though, the "insider info" you have doesn't really amount to much if you aren't going to cite a source.
No offense intended, but I don't know you from a hole in the wall, and this just continues to fuel the rumor mill, which isn't helping right now.
But see, FXOBoss is an ID. Gus' ID is Witchdok right? His ID should be like...Head organizer or something...team leader/owner... "BOSS" is well...overcompensating for something.
No offense taken, man. The guy who told me that info is a guy that has worked with Gus in the past and worked on the PPSL event itself. In fact, he's one of the people Gus owes money to. I'm not at liberty to reveal his identity but there is absolutely no reason for this guy to spew BS.
On November 11 2011 01:26 HardMacro wrote: Awesome drama, love it.
There's $12.9k pocketed, converted to chemical delights, and railed up the nose / slammed up the vein.
Yeaaaaah, so high... nodding... yes... oh shit 2:45pm on tourny day?!!!!! Better run. Show up at 3pm, completely blasted aka "not in the right mind to lead us".
When someone is riding an opiate high, one does not give the slightest fuck about anyone, or anything else for that matter. Honestly this is typical junkie behavior that I think the staff/team members/sponsors should look into.
This guy is definitely on something, I'm willing to bet all my money on that.
Edit: typo
Wait what?, did you just implant an anti-drug rant in the middle this? Rofl, i must be missing something here. Is there any evidence Gus showed up on dope?
Judging by photos looks like he has a down syndrome how the fuck did he end up leading in the first place... Keep runinng business like that eventually cross someone who wouldn't mind investing a bit of their own resources into fucking you up for their own pleasure.
On November 12 2011 03:42 rengarr wrote: Dude, before you go to his house, bring along a mic to lend to him. Seeing as he apparently "lost" his.
Bahahah that's awesome! Too bad he didn't nut up and actually go on LO3. It would have been funny to hear Slasher's no fluff interview style rip into this guy's BS. Hopefully he's held responsible in some way for his actions if everything is indeed true. I mean, not sending a qualified player to an event when you promised them a spot is bad enough, but if he has indeed stolen money from sponsors and such like some people have been saying that's just criminal.
On November 11 2011 04:24 jinorazi wrote: what a fucking scum. post his picture, i'll be sure to bitch slap him like a lil bitch he is.
lol. Sure, tough guy.
What he really is a tough guy =O? Eating your own words huh!
But really I can't believe people have allowed this type of character get so far and cause so much trouble. I absolutely hate people like Gus, and I see them on a daily basis at my business school and it is EXTREMELY irking. People like that won't get a clue until you punch them in the face, maybe repeatedly. Talking to them does nothing.
We interviewed Gus for our show tonight: (Nov 16th at 9pmEST) Some of you might find answers to your questions if you watch! We also talk to Dox, Rossi, TorcH, and Gunrun about the good and bad stuff that went down at PPSL. Link \/
On November 16 2011 16:31 SeltzerPlease wrote: We interviewed Gus for our show tonight: (Nov 16th at 9pmEST) Some of you might find answers to your questions if you watch! We also talk to Dox, Rossi, TorcH, and Gunrun about the good and bad stuff that went down at PPSL. Link \/
seltzer, will there be VODs available? Can't watch it at that time.
On November 16 2011 16:31 SeltzerPlease wrote: We interviewed Gus for our show tonight: (Nov 16th at 9pmEST) Some of you might find answers to your questions if you watch! We also talk to Dox, Rossi, TorcH, and Gunrun about the good and bad stuff that went down at PPSL. Link \/
seltzer, will there be VODs available? Can't watch it at that time.
Well cut the guy THAT much slack at least. EVERYBODY hates him. He is gonna be nervous as shit in this interview. He also (I assume) knows he fucked up. Big. Multiple times. Compounding. So yeah... I would have trouble speaking too.
To be honest? After hearing his interview, he really seems like a guy who was just over his head and had a lack of management skills to run an event of this scale. Seems like he's talking to lawyers too, quite a few times he mentions that he can't speak about something or that he is "collecting information" that doesn't really happen unless there are people asking for such information.
He still sounds like a jerk (lays blame on his "crew") but I don't think the pure vitriol for him is warranted.
On November 17 2011 13:39 skipgamer wrote: To be honest? After hearing his interview, he really seems like a guy who was just over his head and had a lack of management skills to run an event of this scale. Seems like he's talking to lawyers too, quite a few times he mentions that he can't speak about something or that he is "collecting information" that doesn't really happen unless there are people asking for such information.
He still sounds like a jerk (lays blame on his "crew") but I don't think the pure vitriol for him is warranted.
I would've thought that too apart from all the flagrant lies he's been telling everyone. Also, look at how cocky he was before the event, ("gl with that"), etc.
Well considering one of the first things people heard about Gus was
1. Fixing brackets/players 2. Sending someone into a debt of $12K and possible jail time 3. Volunteers fixing up the tournament he was supposed to manage
And his response can be summed up as
"Oh we had some issues that every tournament out there has, but the event went fine."
Then follows up with a Twitter post that pretty much says
"Oh and this was all thanks to me"
Yeah. He's pretty much handing everyone pitchforks and torches to use against him. He wasn't such a douchebag about this from the beginning maybe the hate wouldn't have gotten this bad. Gus dug his own grave, I mean he already is providing an incredibly tiny amount of information, so he should have just kept his mouth shut. It's not like that's not what he's doing right now. But no, before he "went into hiding" he decide to be smug about it. So yeah, he was inviting in the hate.
so after going on air, he says that he just overspent, which was stupid in the first place, then says that it would have been stupid for him to pocket the money and ruin his reputation. So hes trying to say hes competent, yet he proves to be incompetent in the same line...
Dunno why he just won't own up to his mistakes/crimes....
On November 17 2011 13:39 skipgamer wrote: To be honest? After hearing his interview, he really seems like a guy who was just over his head and had a lack of management skills to run an event of this scale. Seems like he's talking to lawyers too, quite a few times he mentions that he can't speak about something or that he is "collecting information" that doesn't really happen unless there are people asking for such information.
He still sounds like a jerk (lays blame on his "crew") but I don't think the pure vitriol for him is warranted.
I would've thought that too apart from all the flagrant lies he's been telling everyone. Also, look at how cocky he was before the event, ("gl with that"), etc.
That part bothers me. Why would he say such a thing? He never explain in detail about all of the situation. What about the HoN money? Where is the money now?
On November 17 2011 13:39 skipgamer wrote: To be honest? After hearing his interview, he really seems like a guy who was just over his head and had a lack of management skills to run an event of this scale. Seems like he's talking to lawyers too, quite a few times he mentions that he can't speak about something or that he is "collecting information" that doesn't really happen unless there are people asking for such information.
He still sounds like a jerk (lays blame on his "crew") but I don't think the pure vitriol for him is warranted.
everyone is human and can fuck up, but if you are going to defend him, im curious, what more could he of gotten wrong? what would he have to do, short of killing someone, for you to say "ok this guy is a bad guy". based on the way he seems like a cocky guy when hes just typing and doesnt have to actually talk to someone, and then turning that around and coming off as quiet and mild mannered when talking to rachel he just seems like a 2 faced (bad) manipulator who is doing whatever it takes to make himself less hated now that the smoke has cleared. this isnt just being a bit cocky while on the net, like 99% of people are, this is downright rudeness in a professional capacity, all those screenshots of him being dicks to people wasnt guy talking to x person, it was organiser of the ppsl talking to talent.
the fact he is coming on these shows (as someone who has a history of dodging talking about his mistakes or trying to fix it) suggests to me that he thinks if he works the pr well enough people will forgive him, give him another chance. even if he wasnt wasting peoples money, not doing any work at all, leaving people high and dry in debt without even trying to help, jerking people around up to the day of the tourney, he still shouldnt be allowed back into esports management any time soon. there are so many people who are so much better at their job than him that we have no need to leave any event to a guy like that, other people will step up and easily fill his shoes. but you add on the list of huge character defects i listed and i dont see a reason for anyone to ever talk to him again.
OVERSPENDING AND BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT YOU "OVERSPENT" is not the same as stating you overspent, while pinning the consequences to a subordinate and even bringing a lawyer to avoid assuming responsibility.
I think based on that premise, despite what his intentions were in organizing this event, I think we can brand him as a bad person.
On November 17 2011 13:39 skipgamer wrote: To be honest? After hearing his interview, he really seems like a guy who was just over his head and had a lack of management skills to run an event of this scale. Seems like he's talking to lawyers too, quite a few times he mentions that he can't speak about something or that he is "collecting information" that doesn't really happen unless there are people asking for such information.
He still sounds like a jerk (lays blame on his "crew") but I don't think the pure vitriol for him is warranted.
everyone is human and can fuck up, but if you are going to defend him, im curious, what more could he of gotten wrong? what would he have to do, short of killing someone, for you to say "ok this guy is a bad guy". based on the way he seems like a cocky guy when hes just typing and doesnt have to actually talk to someone, and then turning that around and coming off as quiet and mild mannered when talking to rachel he just seems like a 2 faced (bad) manipulator who is doing whatever it takes to make himself less hated now that the smoke has cleared. this isnt just being a bit cocky while on the net, like 99% of people are, this is downright rudeness in a professional capacity, all those screenshots of him being dicks to people wasnt guy talking to x person, it was organiser of the ppsl talking to talent.
the fact he is coming on these shows (as someone who has a history of dodging talking about his mistakes or trying to fix it) suggests to me that he thinks if he works the pr well enough people will forgive him, give him another chance. even if he wasnt wasting peoples money, not doing any work at all, leaving people high and dry in debt without even trying to help, jerking people around up to the day of the tourney, he still shouldnt be allowed back into esports management any time soon. there are so many people who are so much better at their job than him that we have no need to leave any event to a guy like that, other people will step up and easily fill his shoes. but you add on the list of huge character defects i listed and i dont see a reason for anyone to ever talk to him again.
Just bolded a couple of points, for the first, he could have got a LOT more wrong. He could have just taken all the money and bolted, he could have not done anything at all, he could have not stepped up in the first place and all those spectators at the event never would have enjoyed it (regardless of what happened "behind the scenes" that they had no idea about.) Just because the guy has an ego, and is probably even a bit mentally challenged doesn't mean he didn't have the best of intentions.
There was a failure on more than just his part here. Everything he said and did (my favourite thing is still his hype/promo youtube video that just uses cut-scene material and text, a 30 minute after effects job basically) should have been an indicator to IGN/potential sponsors that this guy was not top class e-sport event/promotion material. Instead they gave this guy who doesn't have the skills money, which he admitted was simply not enough for his plans. I'm sure regardless of how much money he actually recieved he would not have had enough (which is a common theme for people who have an inability to manage money.)
And on the second point, I agree 100%. There is no need to leave any event to a guy like that, there never should have been in the first place, which is why, in a way, I almost feel sorry for him. I just can't see a criminal master-mind behind this facade, I see an idiot, but not a criminal... Who knows maybe I'm the sucker...
Think it's pretty safe to not trust him anymore. ever. People like him needs to realize the privilege and the opportunity that they have to host a tournament like this.
You didn't say shit in that entire post. Maybe you should actually try and use some sort of cognitive though and explain what happened? Oh that's right, you don't have the balls to say you stole somewhere in the ballpark of 13k. Sick post bro. Good luck getting a position in this community ever again.
On November 17 2011 13:39 skipgamer wrote: To be honest? After hearing his interview, he really seems like a guy who was just over his head and had a lack of management skills to run an event of this scale. Seems like he's talking to lawyers too, quite a few times he mentions that he can't speak about something or that he is "collecting information" that doesn't really happen unless there are people asking for such information.
He still sounds like a jerk (lays blame on his "crew") but I don't think the pure vitriol for him is warranted.
everyone is human and can fuck up, but if you are going to defend him, im curious, what more could he of gotten wrong? what would he have to do, short of killing someone, for you to say "ok this guy is a bad guy". based on the way he seems like a cocky guy when hes just typing and doesnt have to actually talk to someone, and then turning that around and coming off as quiet and mild mannered when talking to rachel he just seems like a 2 faced (bad) manipulator who is doing whatever it takes to make himself less hated now that the smoke has cleared. this isnt just being a bit cocky while on the net, like 99% of people are, this is downright rudeness in a professional capacity, all those screenshots of him being dicks to people wasnt guy talking to x person, it was organiser of the ppsl talking to talent.
the fact he is coming on these shows (as someone who has a history of dodging talking about his mistakes or trying to fix it) suggests to me that he thinks if he works the pr well enough people will forgive him, give him another chance. even if he wasnt wasting peoples money, not doing any work at all, leaving people high and dry in debt without even trying to help, jerking people around up to the day of the tourney, he still shouldnt be allowed back into esports management any time soon. there are so many people who are so much better at their job than him that we have no need to leave any event to a guy like that, other people will step up and easily fill his shoes. but you add on the list of huge character defects i listed and i dont see a reason for anyone to ever talk to him again.
Just bolded a couple of points, for the first, he could have got a LOT more wrong. He could have just taken all the money and bolted, he could have not done anything at all, he could have not stepped up in the first place and all those spectators at the event never would have enjoyed it (regardless of what happened "behind the scenes" that they had no idea about.) Just because the guy has an ego, and is probably even a bit mentally challenged doesn't mean he didn't have the best of intentions.
There was a failure on more than just his part here. Everything he said and did (my favourite thing is still his hype/promo youtube video that just uses cut-scene material and text, a 30 minute after effects job basically) should have been an indicator to IGN/potential sponsors that this guy was not top class e-sport event/promotion material. Instead they gave this guy who doesn't have the skills money, which he admitted was simply not enough for his plans. I'm sure regardless of how much money he actually recieved he would not have had enough (which is a common theme for people who have an inability to manage money.)
And on the second point, I agree 100%. There is no need to leave any event to a guy like that, there never should have been in the first place, which is why, in a way, I almost feel sorry for him. I just can't see a criminal master-mind behind this facade, I see an idiot, but not a criminal... Who knows maybe I'm the sucker...
I think the "what could he have done worse" part of the guy you quoted was rhetorical. I mean its like, "I mean he could have raped her too so just murder isnt too bad," or (for a less hyperbolic example) "Sure he stole tens of thousands of dollars and cheated dozens of people on the way, but he could have stolen hundreds of thousands and cheated hundreds of people." I mean the natural response to your first paragraph is, "So the fact that hes a deceptive thief is forgiveable? Just the fact that he could have stolen more and deceived more people means hes not a criminal?"
I do agree with half of your final statement though. Hes an idiot, but his also a criminal idiot. You dont have to be smart or competent to be a criminal.
We need evidence. It's too profitable for him to just put $12K in his pocket and claim he overspent. He needs to bear the burden of the debt even if he did overspend.
where were the questions about bribing moonglade to play for azk? and where the money for HoN tourney went to? and all the other issues? and why didn't he answer when the honslaught tourney will be held when seltzer asked him?
Thank goodness I didn't (arguably) waste my time watching the interview. Reading a couple pages in this thread gave me the confidence that there wasn't anything that you guys didn't already summarize (not much) :D
On November 17 2011 15:40 Nomad123 wrote: where were the questions about bribing moonglade to play for azk? and where the money for HoN tourney went to? and all the other issues? and why didn't he answer when the honslaught tourney will be held when seltzer asked him?
the whole interviewed basically answered nothing.
Not just moonglade. He would demand players to join AZK before paying for their flight. All of them. This is why the Cube team did not make it, coincidentally leading to a lot of byes for AZK players. This is why teamless Korean player, Violet was tagged AZK, and left the team as soon as PPSL finished.
I'm quite sure that what happened was not a result of evil intent, but simply very VERY bad judgement, common sense, and money management. I'm sure he pocketed no money, and simply really fucked up and overspent and didn't know what to do about it. Just terrible fucking management. And that's bad, but, it would have been "fine," but what the issue here is, is there is a list of accusations that need to be directly addressed. We need to know what actually happened.
Instead we get the run around, absolutely nothing directly addressed, no questions really answered. This is what really pisses people off. Almost zero communication, always impossible to contact, and on the rare occasion he gives any kind of statement, the statement doesn't address fucking ANYTHING anyone wants addressed and is just a vague apology for what happened.
On November 17 2011 16:14 Scarecrow wrote: People stepping on the cable caused lag -.-
Is Gus really this stupid?
He's incredibly stupid.
There's 2 possibilities: 1) Lag is genuine, and he's so stupid he thinks stepping on a cable caused it. 2) He made up the lag, but he still sincerely thinks stepping on cables can cause it is a feasibly explanation, so offers it as a lie that he thinks will pass as realistic.
Um, sorry guys, but stepping on cables does cause lag, if you use certain cables. I was an IT guy for 8 years or so, and one of the things I learned is that there are two kinds of cables, rigid ones and flexible ones. You put rigid ones in walls, or in the ceiling or what have you. You put the flexible ones anywhere they may come into contact with human beings. The rigid ones are cheaper, so, trying to save my employer some money, I purchased a spool of them. Probably once a month I had to replace a broken cable. The rigid versus flexible has to do with the wires inside the cable. When you step on them, or roll over them with an office chair, they crack. There's 8 wires in there, and you only need...I think it's between 3 and 5, I can't remember, for the cable to function. So as more and more wires are broken from extended contact with humans, the cable becomes less and less useful, until it craps out completely. I'm not saying that's what actually happened, but it's a real thing, I promise. And the stream did go faster on day 2, so maybe they just fixed the cable? I don't know.
About the interview, I was disappointed. Not only by the softball questions, but by Gus' dodging the ones that weren't softballs. She asked about the HoN tournament and he just said there wasn't time. Ok, well the follow up to that is "so where's the 2000 dollars?" but we didn't hear that asked. And, realistically, if she had asked things like that, he probably would have just hung up the phone. Still would have been nice to have her ask though.
And for those saying he's just incompetent and got in over his head, I have to disagree. Simply because there were 5 people he was supposed to send, and he told them up until two days before the event that he was sending them, and he didn't. Because he took YYJ's spot and gave it to Syckness after trying to give it to Moonglade. And, most importantly, because he asked Amanda and Clive to secure debt that, according to what he said on the show, he already knew he couldn't pay for. He willingly put Amanda and Clive on the wrong end of the law, knowing exactly what the consequences to both of them would be. If not for this community and IPL, Amanda would be in a world of hurt right now, cause you know Gus wouldn't have the money by the 21st. And then you add in all the things he's said in the various transcripts you can find in the various threads about this debacle, and it paints a very clear picture of an arrogant, selfish narcicist who cared more about hobnobbing with the SC2 celebs then about creating a brilliant event. And he cared more about pushing HIS league and HIS clan to the forefront then he did about the SEA scene as a whole. He is simply a poor excuse for a person, all the way around.
On November 17 2011 21:57 Shel wrote: Um, sorry guys, but stepping on cables does cause lag, if you use certain cables. I was an IT guy for 8 years or so, and one of the things I learned is that there are two kinds of cables, rigid ones and flexible ones. You put rigid ones in walls, or in the ceiling or what have you. You put the flexible ones anywhere they may come into contact with human beings. The rigid ones are cheaper, so, trying to save my employer some money, I purchased a spool of them. Probably once a month I had to replace a broken cable. The rigid versus flexible has to do with the wires inside the cable. When you step on them, or roll over them with an office chair, they crack. There's 8 wires in there, and you only need...I think it's between 3 and 5, I can't remember, for the cable to function. So as more and more wires are broken from extended contact with humans, the cable becomes less and less useful, until it craps out completely. I'm not saying that's what actually happened, but it's a real thing, I promise. And the stream did go faster on day 2, so maybe they just fixed the cable? I don't know.
About the interview, I was disappointed. Not only by the softball questions, but by Gus' dodging the ones that weren't softballs. She asked about the HoN tournament and he just said there wasn't time. Ok, well the follow up to that is "so where's the 2000 dollars?" but we didn't hear that asked. And, realistically, if she had asked things like that, he probably would have just hung up the phone. Still would have been nice to have her ask though.
And for those saying he's just incompetent and got in over his head, I have to disagree. Simply because there were 5 people he was supposed to send, and he told them up until two days before the event that he was sending them, and he didn't. Because he took YYJ's spot and gave it to Syckness after trying to give it to Moonglade. And, most importantly, because he asked Amanda and Clive to secure debt that, according to what he said on the show, he already knew he couldn't pay for. He willingly put Amanda and Clive on the wrong end of the law, knowing exactly what the consequences to both of them would be. If not for this community and IPL, Amanda would be in a world of hurt right now, cause you know Gus wouldn't have the money by the 21st. And then you add in all the things he's said in the various transcripts you can find in the various threads about this debacle, and it paints a very clear picture of an arrogant, selfish narcicist who cared more about hobnobbing with the SC2 celebs then about creating a brilliant event. And he cared more about pushing HIS league and HIS clan to the forefront then he did about the SEA scene as a whole. He is simply a poor excuse for a person, all the way around.
On November 17 2011 21:57 Shel wrote: Um, sorry guys, but stepping on cables does cause lag, if you use certain cables. I was an IT guy for 8 years or so, and one of the things I learned is that there are two kinds of cables, rigid ones and flexible ones. You put rigid ones in walls, or in the ceiling or what have you. You put the flexible ones anywhere they may come into contact with human beings. The rigid ones are cheaper, so, trying to save my employer some money, I purchased a spool of them. Probably once a month I had to replace a broken cable. The rigid versus flexible has to do with the wires inside the cable. When you step on them, or roll over them with an office chair, they crack. There's 8 wires in there, and you only need...I think it's between 3 and 5, I can't remember, for the cable to function. So as more and more wires are broken from extended contact with humans, the cable becomes less and less useful, until it craps out completely. I'm not saying that's what actually happened, but it's a real thing, I promise. And the stream did go faster on day 2, so maybe they just fixed the cable? I don't know.
About the interview, I was disappointed. Not only by the softball questions, but by Gus' dodging the ones that weren't softballs. She asked about the HoN tournament and he just said there wasn't time. Ok, well the follow up to that is "so where's the 2000 dollars?" but we didn't hear that asked. And, realistically, if she had asked things like that, he probably would have just hung up the phone. Still would have been nice to have her ask though.
And for those saying he's just incompetent and got in over his head, I have to disagree. Simply because there were 5 people he was supposed to send, and he told them up until two days before the event that he was sending them, and he didn't. Because he took YYJ's spot and gave it to Syckness after trying to give it to Moonglade. And, most importantly, because he asked Amanda and Clive to secure debt that, according to what he said on the show, he already knew he couldn't pay for. He willingly put Amanda and Clive on the wrong end of the law, knowing exactly what the consequences to both of them would be. If not for this community and IPL, Amanda would be in a world of hurt right now, cause you know Gus wouldn't have the money by the 21st. And then you add in all the things he's said in the various transcripts you can find in the various threads about this debacle, and it paints a very clear picture of an arrogant, selfish narcicist who cared more about hobnobbing with the SC2 celebs then about creating a brilliant event. And he cared more about pushing HIS league and HIS clan to the forefront then he did about the SEA scene as a whole. He is simply a poor excuse for a person, all the way around.
Very well said.
I'm an IT technician, I have a diploma in Network Administration, and my cisco CCNA certificate. I work full time as an IT Technician and a Network manager.
There's two types of RJ-45 cables, like you said, rigid and flexible. Nowaday, RJ-45 cable are so cheap (check on monoprice.com, for example.) that it's almost impossible to buy "rigid" one, at least here in Canada. You can buy a 100 FT cable for like 10$. And, EVEN if it was actually some old rigid cable, stepping on them is no problem, bending them is the issue. The "litte copper wire" in them are really resistant to pressure and shock, they are just so solid and rigit, that they can't be bend. And if you bend them, they broke, and the cable is just not working at all anymore. And yes, an office chair rolling on a copper cable could cut it, but then the cable would just not work at all (and that's probably why you were replacing them) it would not cause lag.
And, for god sake, if they really used some old rigit copper RJ-45 on the ground where people could bend/step on them, they are just retarded or fully ignorant.
Seriously, it's the worst excuse I ever heard about network lag, ever.
Well... after the "Light was too strong on the fiber" one that an old IT told me...
After sitting back and waiting for a response from Gus, and finally getting something on CSN, I am sincerely dissapointed.
I understand that Seltzer (where did you get that name by the way?) had to use "kid-gloves" or not get an interview at all, but this guy needs to answer some hard questions.
Regardless of this situation, the important thing is to not have a scandal of this magnitude happen again.
It seems like nobody wants a Kespa type organization looking over everyones shoulders, but realistically, isn't it necessary? At what point do we say "SC2 esports has grown to the point where we need a global organization to make sure this all runs smoothly" ?
sorry but as a business owner myself: "we didn't have enough time to make the necessary preparations in coordinating the logistics and various minor details" is simply unforgivable, and just points to a lack of commitment or organizational skills.
After waiting so long to hear from this douche bag none of the major questions got answered. Just some guy coming out and acting like an arrogant selfish person.
P.S where is that idiot from AZK who said when gus came out and explained everything the entire teamliquid community would be shown to look like ignorant scrubs?
P.S where is that idiot from AZK who said when gus came out and explained everything the entire teamliquid community would be shown to look like ignorant scrubs?
You might wanna read this..
AZKZiek is currently on the stream chat claiming that Dox is lying without actually saying what exactly he thinks Dox is lying about.
EDIT: He's also insulting just about everyone on the stream chat.
"azkziek: that amanda thing was awesome, we got to pocket an extra 5K... bahamas here we come !"
From what I've heard, the only people that believe this will hurt the SEA scene is people from SEA. They're worried about their ability to get sponsors.
On the cord thing, I have no idea what's out there now. I bought that spool maybe 12 years ago, and it was just when cat 3 or cat 4 came out, so it had that "new tech" price. But I do know that just because one wire breaks, doesn't mean they all do. I can't really say for sure that a few wires breaking causes lag. My thinking was that if a network card has one less wire then it needs, that the packets will travel over the 3 wires causing lag when the card tries to find a fourth wire. Or that, possibly, a split wire will transfer data across the space between wires. Maybe they have partial contact or something. But, like I said, I have no idea if any of that is possible or not.
On November 18 2011 05:56 Shel wrote: Maybe they have partial contact or something. But, like I said, I have no idea if any of that is possible or not.
Then why would you use it as a clarification of a misguided statement?
On November 18 2011 06:41 Gintox wrote: I kinda feel sorry for the guy. There is no way that hes gona gain back the communities favour in a long time. He fucked up too bad :/
Why on earth would you feel sorry for someone who digs their own grave, hops into it, and then adamantly refuses to get out of it when we ask him to?!
We have given him SO many chances to apologize. There is no redemption for him at this point.
On November 18 2011 06:41 Gintox wrote: I kinda feel sorry for the guy. There is no way that hes gona gain back the communities favour in a long time. He fucked up too bad :/
Just think that if he would get an ESPORTS deal or job, someone else who is perhaps honest and with good reputation would be missing out on that same job. Even if no one discriminates against Gus, there naturally is no place for Gus for any deal where there are multiple candidates.
On November 18 2011 06:41 Gintox wrote: I kinda feel sorry for the guy. There is no way that hes gona gain back the communities favour in a long time. He fucked up too bad :/
Lol he just scammed and screwed a lot of people and you feel ' sorry ' for him ? xDD
On November 17 2011 21:57 Shel wrote: Um, sorry guys, but stepping on cables does cause lag, if you use certain cables. I was an IT guy for 8 years or so, and one of the things I learned is that there are two kinds of cables, rigid ones and flexible ones. You put rigid ones in walls, or in the ceiling or what have you. You put the flexible ones anywhere they may come into contact with human beings. The rigid ones are cheaper, so, trying to save my employer some money, I purchased a spool of them. Probably once a month I had to replace a broken cable. The rigid versus flexible has to do with the wires inside the cable. When you step on them, or roll over them with an office chair, they crack. There's 8 wires in there, and you only need...I think it's between 3 and 5, I can't remember, for the cable to function. So as more and more wires are broken from extended contact with humans, the cable becomes less and less useful, until it craps out completely. I'm not saying that's what actually happened, but it's a real thing, I promise. And the stream did go faster on day 2, so maybe they just fixed the cable? I don't know.
Also note that Cat 5e cable uses 24 gauge copper wire that typically, to quote wikipedia, "can be bent at any radius exceeding approximately four times the diameter of the cables". It's not easy to break.
If they had Cat5 cables running at lengths greater than 100 feet then they may have run into trouble, but otherwise this had nothing to do with it.
And you are referring to the difference between stranded and solid wiring within the cat 5 cables. Solid ones can be used everywhere if need be, I've never heard of anyone breaking the wires inside.
I like (actually disliked) how when asked a simple yes or no question, he completely ignored it, refused to answer it, and started rambling off excuses.
Question: Did you have a detailed financial plan going into this? Answer: We ran out of money.
Ok, but did you have a plan or not motherfucker? We KNOW the money ran out, we want to know why and how! Did you just haphazardly seek sponsor money and hope that it would cover everything? Or did you actually have a planned delegation of funds, and things occurred that disallowed you to follow this plan?
The answer of course is, NO, he didn't have a detailed financial plan going into this. Zero math was done ahead of time to see if the event could actually be paid for. But he'll refuse to admit it, and instead continue to rattle off the same old tired line of "we ran out of money" without ever explaining why they ran out of money.
Do us a favour and don't host a tournament again, hope I don't get banned but I think I speak for most of the people here. I'm sure someone else from the Philippines can host a event better then yours.
The apology was pretty bad and we already know it is your fault.
Oh and who helped you write the post because in your interview it was like UM UM and UM yes i try um UM um um um um um um um um um um.......
These are apologies, that's fantastic, but you have given zero back. IGN's charity event filled the hole you left. The people you screwed are still screwed. Its going to be hard to explain your radio silence for so long.
It'll take a lot to make me think that you are out for anything other than your own gain. Previous actions tell me this apology is to win community support and doesn't truly come from heartfelt apologies. Just yesterday your interview called things technicalities when its not.
Maybe you are truly sorry, at which point I am sorry. But until then, no.
P.S where is that idiot from AZK who said when gus came out and explained everything the entire teamliquid community would be shown to look like ignorant scrubs?
On November 18 2011 12:42 Carbonthief wrote: I like (actually disliked) how when asked a simple yes or no question, he completely ignored it, refused to answer it, and started rambling off excuses.
Question: Did you have a detailed financial plan going into this? Answer: We ran out of money.
Ok, but did you have a plan or not motherfucker? We KNOW the money ran out, we want to know why and how! Did you just haphazardly seek sponsor money and hope that it would cover everything? Or did you actually have a planned delegation of funds, and things occurred that disallowed you to follow this plan?
The answer of course is, NO, he didn't have a detailed financial plan going into this. Zero math was done ahead of time to see if the event could actually be paid for. But he'll refuse to admit it, and instead continue to rattle off the same old tired line of "we ran out of money" without ever explaining why they ran out of money.
Plan or no plan, who gives? It's just a "technicality".
Lordadon Wait wait, I don't get it, how is gus missing (aka nowhere to be found to bail amanda out) and at the same time available for an intrrview? O.o
YJY
just letting you guys know:
Gus and amanda have been in contact; not everyday, but they are trying to work things out (with difficulty). Jail is no longer an issue. Finances between amanda and gus are not a priority anymore. People are waiting to be paid (I won't name these people, but they are not the players). I know a lot of things right now (from friends and anons), so let me know if you have questions. I'll answer the things that I think should be answered.
Dox
I spoke to Amanda during Gus' interview to check if he actually had been in touch with her, this is what she said:
Quote: Okay so basically on the 11th we spoke about the IGN waiver, then he didn't contact me for a few days. Then the 14th came and I asked him (Gus) about the waiver again as i didnt get a copy from the email.
Then the 15th came and I gave some sentences about the fund raiser thing... I accidentally pressed his number on my phone, so I texted him "sorry, accident." He replied after that "did you get more than what you needed already?" I said "i dont know yet as IGN is still asleep" (Just for sake of clarity)
Wasn't the reason why IPL had a funraiser was that Gus went AWOL and Amanda needs the money immediately?
Right now the PPSL has around $23,000 in unpaid debt. $7,000 of that will be paid by us, but it seems like Gus, the organizer of the PPSL, is nowhere to be found and is not owning up to the remaining debt.
Gus semi-AWOL (only pops up from time to time when he wants to) and has no money to pay. Amanda has bills to pay which are due on Nov. 21.
There are also other outstanding dues that shoudl've been paid by Gus but shouldered by staff. Amanda had the biggest debt. A debt that was so big and could halt the travel agency business that she owed (Gus owed).
Lordadon Wait wait, I don't get it, how is gus missing (aka nowhere to be found to bail amanda out) and at the same time available for an intrrview? O.o
YJY
just letting you guys know:
Gus and amanda have been in contact; not everyday, but they are trying to work things out (with difficulty). Jail is no longer an issue. Finances between amanda and gus are not a priority anymore. People are waiting to be paid (I won't name these people, but they are not the players). I know a lot of things right now (from friends and anons), so let me know if you have questions. I'll answer the things that I think should be answered.
Dox
I spoke to Amanda during Gus' interview to check if he actually had been in touch with her, this is what she said:
Quote: Okay so basically on the 11th we spoke about the IGN waiver, then he didn't contact me for a few days. Then the 14th came and I asked him (Gus) about the waiver again as i didnt get a copy from the email.
Then the 15th came and I gave some sentences about the fund raiser thing... I accidentally pressed his number on my phone, so I texted him "sorry, accident." He replied after that "did you get more than what you needed already?" I said "i dont know yet as IGN is still asleep" (Just for sake of clarity)
Wasn't the reason why IPL had a funraiser was that Gus went AWOL and Amanda needs the money immediately?
Right now the PPSL has around $23,000 in unpaid debt. $7,000 of that will be paid by us, but it seems like Gus, the organizer of the PPSL, is nowhere to be found and is not owning up to the remaining debt.
Hrm this part seems rather odd to me did Gus make off with 1000's of Dollars while the community had to pay for his own Tournaments Expenses? Read the Bolded part again
Okay so basically on the 11th we spoke about the IGN waiver, then he didn't contact me for a few days. Then the 14th came and I asked him (Gus) about the waiver again as i didnt get a copy from the email.
Then the 15th came and I gave some sentences about the fund raiser thing... I accidentally pressed his number on my phone, so I texted him "sorry, accident." He replied after that "did you get more than what you needed already?" I said "i dont know yet as IGN is still asleep" (Just for sake of clarity)
I have a feeling Gus intended to make a lot of money with this tournament and his mis-management or pocketing of Sponsoring money led to him not wanting to provide the funds to 'own' up to the tournament Expenses.
On November 17 2011 21:57 Shel wrote: Um, sorry guys, but stepping on cables does cause lag, if you use certain cables. I was an IT guy for 8 years or so, and one of the things I learned is that there are two kinds of cables, rigid ones and flexible ones. You put rigid ones in walls, or in the ceiling or what have you. You put the flexible ones anywhere they may come into contact with human beings. The rigid ones are cheaper, so, trying to save my employer some money, I purchased a spool of them. Probably once a month I had to replace a broken cable. The rigid versus flexible has to do with the wires inside the cable. When you step on them, or roll over them with an office chair, they crack. There's 8 wires in there, and you only need...I think it's between 3 and 5, I can't remember, for the cable to function. So as more and more wires are broken from extended contact with humans, the cable becomes less and less useful, until it craps out completely. I'm not saying that's what actually happened, but it's a real thing, I promise. And the stream did go faster on day 2, so maybe they just fixed the cable? I don't know.
Also note that Cat 5e cable uses 24 gauge copper wire that typically, to quote wikipedia, "can be bent at any radius exceeding approximately four times the diameter of the cables". It's not easy to break.
If they had Cat5 cables running at lengths greater than 100 feet then they may have run into trouble, but otherwise this had nothing to do with it.
And you are referring to the difference between stranded and solid wiring within the cat 5 cables. Solid ones can be used everywhere if need be, I've never heard of anyone breaking the wires inside.
I wasn't even talking about cat 5. And I think the wires I used were 10baseT. This was about 10 or 11 years ago. I figured that since the infrastructure in the Philipines is so crappy that maybe they were using older cables. They weren't moving at speeds that needed more then 10baseT anyways.
Well, here's what I reckon you should believe based off of this.
This person has nothing to do with AZK's management or decisions and his behavior means nothing concerning this event or any of the fallout associated with it.
But he is a huge dickhole, universally despised by the entire South East Asian community (except AZK. God knows why, he's not even vaguely good at starcraft!)
On November 17 2011 21:57 Shel wrote: Um, sorry guys, but stepping on cables does cause lag, if you use certain cables. I was an IT guy for 8 years or so, and one of the things I learned is that there are two kinds of cables, rigid ones and flexible ones. You put rigid ones in walls, or in the ceiling or what have you. You put the flexible ones anywhere they may come into contact with human beings. The rigid ones are cheaper, so, trying to save my employer some money, I purchased a spool of them. Probably once a month I had to replace a broken cable. The rigid versus flexible has to do with the wires inside the cable. When you step on them, or roll over them with an office chair, they crack. There's 8 wires in there, and you only need...I think it's between 3 and 5, I can't remember, for the cable to function. So as more and more wires are broken from extended contact with humans, the cable becomes less and less useful, until it craps out completely. I'm not saying that's what actually happened, but it's a real thing, I promise. And the stream did go faster on day 2, so maybe they just fixed the cable? I don't know.
Also note that Cat 5e cable uses 24 gauge copper wire that typically, to quote wikipedia, "can be bent at any radius exceeding approximately four times the diameter of the cables". It's not easy to break.
If they had Cat5 cables running at lengths greater than 100 feet then they may have run into trouble, but otherwise this had nothing to do with it.
And you are referring to the difference between stranded and solid wiring within the cat 5 cables. Solid ones can be used everywhere if need be, I've never heard of anyone breaking the wires inside.
I wasn't even talking about cat 5. And I think the wires I used were 10baseT. This was about 10 or 11 years ago. I figured that since the infrastructure in the Philipines is so crappy that maybe they were using older cables. They weren't moving at speeds that needed more then 10baseT anyways.
No one even sells Cat3 cable anymore, where would they have gotten this? Also, 10baseT uses the same number of pairs (2) inside the eithernet cable, except that it was capped at 16MHz instead of the 25 of 100BASE-TX due to the fact that the Cat3 wire in use at the time was unsheilded and more vulnerable to crosstalk at higher transfer rates. Even so, most Cat3 cable is still going to use 22 gauge copper wire making it just as difficult to break.
What does this have to do with infrastructure? Unless they were plugging ethernet cables into wall jacks wired with Cat3--and even if they were you are correct the 10Mb transfer rate should have been sufficient. And unless the wall jack has an RJ11 connecter (very old standard though I have seen it still) you would actually be able to use Cat5e for patch cables. But this still has nothing to do with your original point about people walking on cables and causing lag. It's just wrong.
I really don't want to be rude, but I think there is enough drama regaurding this tourney without additional baseless accusations being thrown around.
In something truly unrelated, the reason why all those solid conductor cables you bought all those years ago were "breaking", is likely because you were not crimping them with the correct type of RJ45 connector. The kind that only have two clips and bisect the wire are ment for stranded cable and can in fact break the conductors in the solid kind. You can buy connectors that have three clips and can hold the solid wire securly without breaking it.
On November 19 2011 09:32 XRaDiiX wrote: Its was in the Phillipines of all places probably a good chance they were using Cat-3 Cables and Older Tech.
For darn sac apparently they didn't have the sufficient ram during the Tournament. Remember that.?
Ok, with all the ammo we have against this guy, we really don't need to be relying on lies. It's been confirmed several times that the RAM was fine in the computers. And do people think the Philippines is all mud huts and caves? It's an industrialized country that actually exports a lot of electronics and its economy isn't exactly shabby. They certainly have access to cables.
On November 19 2011 09:32 XRaDiiX wrote: Its was in the Phillipines of all places probably a good chance they were using Cat-3 Cables and Older Tech.
For darn sac apparently they didn't have the sufficient ram during the Tournament. Remember that.?
Ok, with all the ammo we have against this guy, we really don't need to be relying on lies. It's been confirmed several times that the RAM was fine in the computers. And do people think the Philippines is all mud huts and caves? It's an industrialized country that actually exports a lot of electronics and its economy isn't exactly shabby. They certainly have access to cables.
To many Americans, the rest of the world is mud huts and caves.
On November 19 2011 09:32 XRaDiiX wrote: Its was in the Phillipines of all places probably a good chance they were using Cat-3 Cables and Older Tech.
For darn sac apparently they didn't have the sufficient ram during the Tournament. Remember that.?
Ok, with all the ammo we have against this guy, we really don't need to be relying on lies. It's been confirmed several times that the RAM was fine in the computers. And do people think the Philippines is all mud huts and caves? It's an industrialized country that actually exports a lot of electronics and its economy isn't exactly shabby. They certainly have access to cables.
I never said it wasn't an industrialized country i just said they probably have Older tech stop exaggerating things to try and make me look like a dick.
Also i was under the impression they didn't have the sufficient ram and they had to steal/use the Ram from the Computers mean't for the HON tournament (maybe why the HON Tournament wasn't held) Because they needed more RAM for the SC2 Event (Priority)
But if what you said is true then i was just misinformed.
On November 19 2011 09:32 XRaDiiX wrote: Its was in the Phillipines of all places probably a good chance they were using Cat-3 Cables and Older Tech.
For darn sac apparently they didn't have the sufficient ram during the Tournament. Remember that.?
Ok, with all the ammo we have against this guy, we really don't need to be relying on lies. It's been confirmed several times that the RAM was fine in the computers. And do people think the Philippines is all mud huts and caves? It's an industrialized country that actually exports a lot of electronics and its economy isn't exactly shabby. They certainly have access to cables.
I never said it wasn't an industrialized country i just said they probably have Older tech stop exaggerating things to try and make me look like a dick.
Also i was under the impression they didn't have the sufficient ram and they had to steal/use the Ram from the Computers mean't for the HON tournament (maybe why the HON Tournament wasn't held) Because they needed more RAM for the SC2 Event (Priority)
But if what you said is true then i was just misinformed.
I wasn't trying to make you specifically look like a dick. In this entire PPSL controversy I've seen so many people refer to the Philippines as...less than it is.
Sorry if I jumped on you.
It was irritating enough to see people be so arbitrarily racist, but to do it in such a grossly misinformed way was particularly obnoxious for me. (Development Economics is one of my specialties)
On November 19 2011 09:32 XRaDiiX wrote: Its was in the Phillipines of all places probably a good chance they were using Cat-3 Cables and Older Tech.
For darn sac apparently they didn't have the sufficient ram during the Tournament. Remember that.?
Ok, with all the ammo we have against this guy, we really don't need to be relying on lies. It's been confirmed several times that the RAM was fine in the computers. And do people think the Philippines is all mud huts and caves? It's an industrialized country that actually exports a lot of electronics and its economy isn't exactly shabby. They certainly have access to cables.
No economist will count the Philippines as an industrialized country lol.
On November 19 2011 09:32 XRaDiiX wrote: Its was in the Phillipines of all places probably a good chance they were using Cat-3 Cables and Older Tech.
For darn sac apparently they didn't have the sufficient ram during the Tournament. Remember that.?
Ok, with all the ammo we have against this guy, we really don't need to be relying on lies. It's been confirmed several times that the RAM was fine in the computers. And do people think the Philippines is all mud huts and caves? It's an industrialized country that actually exports a lot of electronics and its economy isn't exactly shabby. They certainly have access to cables.
No economist will count the Philippines as an industrialized country lol.
It has a GDP per capita of freakin 2k usd.
Every economist will understand that purchasing power parity is far more informative than GDP per capita.
Are the Philippines as wealthy as America? No, few countries are.
Is it a capable and healthy economy more than capable of procuring the equipment for a Starcraft 2 tournament? Absolutely.
It wasn't enough ram but rather driver conflicts that slowed down the computers. For clarity only.
Initial assumption was ram problem but once technicians looked into it, it was actually driver conflict that was bogging the system down. As I remember both from the interview and some posts by those persons who were assisting in the PPSL, those on stage had a more proper setup compared to the other 30 units not on stage. But the specs were never below the requirements of sc2, just that 2gb of ram on most.
Regarding the cables, actual specs were never relayed and TGR never mentioned a cable problem but a bandwidth problem from day 1. So I still think the cable issue is an excuse but to be honest also, older types of LAN cables can still be used here like some people mentioned. It would be the organizers fault for using such to "save" on costs while sacrificing integrity of the whole event for paltry savings.
Just my two cents. So we don't know on part of the cables as to what were the specifics etc. =)
Maybe when Gus compiles all the "relevant paperwork" he'll come out with an official statement on these things, but I highly doubt it as he stated it was an arrangement between "friends" especially with regards to the ISP.
On November 19 2011 09:32 XRaDiiX wrote: Its was in the Phillipines of all places probably a good chance they were using Cat-3 Cables and Older Tech.
For darn sac apparently they didn't have the sufficient ram during the Tournament. Remember that.?
Ok, with all the ammo we have against this guy, we really don't need to be relying on lies. It's been confirmed several times that the RAM was fine in the computers. And do people think the Philippines is all mud huts and caves? It's an industrialized country that actually exports a lot of electronics and its economy isn't exactly shabby. They certainly have access to cables.
No economist will count the Philippines as an industrialized country lol.
It has a GDP per capita of freakin 2k usd.
Every economist will understand that purchasing power parity is far more informative than GDP per capita.
Are the Philippines as wealthy as America? No, few countries are.
Is it a capable and healthy economy more than capable of procuring the equipment for a Starcraft 2 tournament? Absolutely.
I think that you need to reevaluate what an industrialized country is. Only a few dozen countries are defined by economists to be industrialized economies, and the Phillipines is most certainly not one of them. Far from it, actually.
Oh snap there . . . . PPP is only useful for comparisons that don't involve items traded at the international level such as . . . haircuts or shoe repair. I'm pretty sure that American and Fillipino computer equipment probably come from the same factories and computer equipment isn't actually specifically targeted by tariffs, so it's actually quite safe to assume that a country with a PPP per capita (there, happy?) of a *few thousand dollars* per year probably has lower quality computer equipment on average.
On November 19 2011 09:32 XRaDiiX wrote: Its was in the Phillipines of all places probably a good chance they were using Cat-3 Cables and Older Tech.
For darn sac apparently they didn't have the sufficient ram during the Tournament. Remember that.?
Ok, with all the ammo we have against this guy, we really don't need to be relying on lies. It's been confirmed several times that the RAM was fine in the computers. And do people think the Philippines is all mud huts and caves? It's an industrialized country that actually exports a lot of electronics and its economy isn't exactly shabby. They certainly have access to cables.
No economist will count the Philippines as an industrialized country lol.
It has a GDP per capita of freakin 2k usd.
Every economist will understand that purchasing power parity is far more informative than GDP per capita.
Are the Philippines as wealthy as America? No, few countries are.
Is it a capable and healthy economy more than capable of procuring the equipment for a Starcraft 2 tournament? Absolutely.
I think that you need to reevaluate what an industrialized country is. Only a few dozen countries are defined by economists to be industrialized economies, and the Phillipines is most certainly not one of them. Far from it, actually.
Oh snap there . . . . PPP is only useful for comparisons that don't involve items traded at the international level such as . . . haircuts or shoe repair. I'm pretty sure that American and Fillipino computer equipment probably come from the same factories and computer equipment isn't actually specifically targeted by tariffs, so it's actually quite safe to assume that a country with a PPP per capita (there, happy?) of a *few thousand dollars* per year probably has lower quality computer equipment on average.
They are classified as "newly industrialized" and one of their primary exports is electronics. Agriculture is still a big part of their economy, but about 50% of their GDP is in the service sector..
On November 19 2011 09:32 XRaDiiX wrote: Its was in the Phillipines of all places probably a good chance they were using Cat-3 Cables and Older Tech.
For darn sac apparently they didn't have the sufficient ram during the Tournament. Remember that.?
Ok, with all the ammo we have against this guy, we really don't need to be relying on lies. It's been confirmed several times that the RAM was fine in the computers. And do people think the Philippines is all mud huts and caves? It's an industrialized country that actually exports a lot of electronics and its economy isn't exactly shabby. They certainly have access to cables.
No economist will count the Philippines as an industrialized country lol.
It has a GDP per capita of freakin 2k usd.
Every economist will understand that purchasing power parity is far more informative than GDP per capita.
Are the Philippines as wealthy as America? No, few countries are.
Is it a capable and healthy economy more than capable of procuring the equipment for a Starcraft 2 tournament? Absolutely.
I think that you need to reevaluate what an industrialized country is. Only a few dozen countries are defined by economists to be industrialized economies, and the Phillipines is most certainly not one of them. Far from it, actually.
Oh snap there . . . . PPP is only useful for comparisons that don't involve items traded at the international level such as . . . haircuts or shoe repair. I'm pretty sure that American and Fillipino computer equipment probably come from the same factories and computer equipment isn't actually specifically targeted by tariffs, so it's actually quite safe to assume that a country with a PPP per capita (there, happy?) of a *few thousand dollars* per year probably has lower quality computer equipment on average.
They are classified as "newly industrialized" and one of their primary exports is electronics. Agriculture is still a big part of their economy, but about 50% of their GDP is in the service sector..
Did you get that information from a book or report? The electronics manufacturing industry in the country is tiny and close to insignificant at best.
Did you get that information from a book or report? The electronics manufacturing industry in the country is tiny and close to insignificant at best.
Last I read, semiconductor and electronics exports for the country were expected to reach almost $30B this year with a few billion dollars in investments expected. Hardly insignificant, though perhaps not significant. Somewhere in between I s'pose.
On November 19 2011 09:32 XRaDiiX wrote: Its was in the Phillipines of all places probably a good chance they were using Cat-3 Cables and Older Tech.
For darn sac apparently they didn't have the sufficient ram during the Tournament. Remember that.?
Ok, with all the ammo we have against this guy, we really don't need to be relying on lies. It's been confirmed several times that the RAM was fine in the computers. And do people think the Philippines is all mud huts and caves? It's an industrialized country that actually exports a lot of electronics and its economy isn't exactly shabby. They certainly have access to cables.
No economist will count the Philippines as an industrialized country lol.
It has a GDP per capita of freakin 2k usd.
Every economist will understand that purchasing power parity is far more informative than GDP per capita.
Are the Philippines as wealthy as America? No, few countries are.
Is it a capable and healthy economy more than capable of procuring the equipment for a Starcraft 2 tournament? Absolutely.
I think that you need to reevaluate what an industrialized country is. Only a few dozen countries are defined by economists to be industrialized economies, and the Phillipines is most certainly not one of them. Far from it, actually.
Oh snap there . . . . PPP is only useful for comparisons that don't involve items traded at the international level such as . . . haircuts or shoe repair. I'm pretty sure that American and Fillipino computer equipment probably come from the same factories and computer equipment isn't actually specifically targeted by tariffs, so it's actually quite safe to assume that a country with a PPP per capita (there, happy?) of a *few thousand dollars* per year probably has lower quality computer equipment on average.
yup, PPP isn't all that useful. GNP is probably the one he was looking for
On November 19 2011 17:50 me_viet wrote: Hey guys, so where's the interview with gus? I've gone back a few pages, but couldn't find any links to them =[
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