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Well considering one of the first things people heard about Gus was
1. Fixing brackets/players
2. Sending someone into a debt of $12K and possible jail time
3. Volunteers fixing up the tournament he was supposed to manage
And his response can be summed up as
"Oh we had some issues that every tournament out there has, but the event went fine."
Then follows up with a Twitter post that pretty much says
"Oh and this was all thanks to me"
Yeah. He's pretty much handing everyone pitchforks and torches to use against him. He wasn't such a douchebag about this from the beginning maybe the hate wouldn't have gotten this bad. Gus dug his own grave, I mean he already is providing an incredibly tiny amount of information, so he should have just kept his mouth shut. It's not like that's not what he's doing right now. But no, before he "went into hiding" he decide to be smug about it. So yeah, he was inviting in the hate.
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so after going on air, he says that he just overspent, which was stupid in the first place, then says that it would have been stupid for him to pocket the money and ruin his reputation. So hes trying to say hes competent, yet he proves to be incompetent in the same line...
Dunno why he just won't own up to his mistakes/crimes....
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On November 17 2011 13:47 teamsolid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 13:39 skipgamer wrote:
To be honest? After hearing his interview, he really seems like a guy who was just over his head and had a lack of management skills to run an event of this scale. Seems like he's talking to lawyers too, quite a few times he mentions that he can't speak about something or that he is "collecting information" that doesn't really happen unless there are people asking for such information.
He still sounds like a jerk (lays blame on his "crew") but I don't think the pure vitriol for him is warranted. I would've thought that too apart from all the flagrant lies he's been telling everyone. Also, look at how cocky he was before the event, ("gl with that"), etc.
That part bothers me. Why would he say such a thing? He never explain in detail about all of the situation. What about the HoN money? Where is the money now?
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On November 17 2011 13:39 skipgamer wrote:
To be honest? After hearing his interview, he really seems like a guy who was just over his head and had a lack of management skills to run an event of this scale. Seems like he's talking to lawyers too, quite a few times he mentions that he can't speak about something or that he is "collecting information" that doesn't really happen unless there are people asking for such information.
He still sounds like a jerk (lays blame on his "crew") but I don't think the pure vitriol for him is warranted.
everyone is human and can fuck up, but if you are going to defend him, im curious, what more could he of gotten wrong? what would he have to do, short of killing someone, for you to say "ok this guy is a bad guy". based on the way he seems like a cocky guy when hes just typing and doesnt have to actually talk to someone, and then turning that around and coming off as quiet and mild mannered when talking to rachel he just seems like a 2 faced (bad) manipulator who is doing whatever it takes to make himself less hated now that the smoke has cleared. this isnt just being a bit cocky while on the net, like 99% of people are, this is downright rudeness in a professional capacity, all those screenshots of him being dicks to people wasnt guy talking to x person, it was organiser of the ppsl talking to talent.
the fact he is coming on these shows (as someone who has a history of dodging talking about his mistakes or trying to fix it) suggests to me that he thinks if he works the pr well enough people will forgive him, give him another chance. even if he wasnt wasting peoples money, not doing any work at all, leaving people high and dry in debt without even trying to help, jerking people around up to the day of the tourney, he still shouldnt be allowed back into esports management any time soon. there are so many people who are so much better at their job than him that we have no need to leave any event to a guy like that, other people will step up and easily fill his shoes. but you add on the list of huge character defects i listed and i dont see a reason for anyone to ever talk to him again.
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Don't like him. Not one bit.
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OVERSPENDING AND BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT YOU "OVERSPENT" is not the same as stating you overspent, while pinning the consequences to a subordinate and even bringing a lawyer to avoid assuming responsibility.
I think based on that premise, despite what his intentions were in organizing this event, I think we can brand him as a bad person.
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On November 17 2011 14:08 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 13:39 skipgamer wrote:
To be honest? After hearing his interview, he really seems like a guy who was just over his head and had a lack of management skills to run an event of this scale. Seems like he's talking to lawyers too, quite a few times he mentions that he can't speak about something or that he is "collecting information" that doesn't really happen unless there are people asking for such information.
He still sounds like a jerk (lays blame on his "crew") but I don't think the pure vitriol for him is warranted. everyone is human and can fuck up, but if you are going to defend him, im curious, what more could he of gotten wrong? what would he have to do, short of killing someone, for you to say "ok this guy is a bad guy". based on the way he seems like a cocky guy when hes just typing and doesnt have to actually talk to someone, and then turning that around and coming off as quiet and mild mannered when talking to rachel he just seems like a 2 faced (bad) manipulator who is doing whatever it takes to make himself less hated now that the smoke has cleared. this isnt just being a bit cocky while on the net, like 99% of people are, this is downright rudeness in a professional capacity, all those screenshots of him being dicks to people wasnt guy talking to x person, it was organiser of the ppsl talking to talent. the fact he is coming on these shows (as someone who has a history of dodging talking about his mistakes or trying to fix it) suggests to me that he thinks if he works the pr well enough people will forgive him, give him another chance. even if he wasnt wasting peoples money, not doing any work at all, leaving people high and dry in debt without even trying to help, jerking people around up to the day of the tourney, he still shouldnt be allowed back into esports management any time soon. there are so many people who are so much better at their job than him that we have no need to leave any event to a guy like that, other people will step up and easily fill his shoes. but you add on the list of huge character defects i listed and i dont see a reason for anyone to ever talk to him again.
Just bolded a couple of points, for the first, he could have got a LOT more wrong. He could have just taken all the money and bolted, he could have not done anything at all, he could have not stepped up in the first place and all those spectators at the event never would have enjoyed it (regardless of what happened "behind the scenes" that they had no idea about.) Just because the guy has an ego, and is probably even a bit mentally challenged doesn't mean he didn't have the best of intentions.
There was a failure on more than just his part here. Everything he said and did (my favourite thing is still his hype/promo youtube video that just uses cut-scene material and text, a 30 minute after effects job basically) should have been an indicator to IGN/potential sponsors that this guy was not top class e-sport event/promotion material. Instead they gave this guy who doesn't have the skills money, which he admitted was simply not enough for his plans. I'm sure regardless of how much money he actually recieved he would not have had enough (which is a common theme for people who have an inability to manage money.)
And on the second point, I agree 100%. There is no need to leave any event to a guy like that, there never should have been in the first place, which is why, in a way, I almost feel sorry for him. I just can't see a criminal master-mind behind this facade, I see an idiot, but not a criminal... Who knows maybe I'm the sucker...
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Think it's pretty safe to not trust him anymore. ever.
People like him needs to realize the privilege and the opportunity that they have to host a tournament like this.
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You didn't say shit in that entire post. Maybe you should actually try and use some sort of cognitive though and explain what happened? Oh that's right, you don't have the balls to say you stole somewhere in the ballpark of 13k. Sick post bro. Good luck getting a position in this community ever again.
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On November 17 2011 14:36 skipgamer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 14:08 turdburgler wrote:On November 17 2011 13:39 skipgamer wrote:
To be honest? After hearing his interview, he really seems like a guy who was just over his head and had a lack of management skills to run an event of this scale. Seems like he's talking to lawyers too, quite a few times he mentions that he can't speak about something or that he is "collecting information" that doesn't really happen unless there are people asking for such information.
He still sounds like a jerk (lays blame on his "crew") but I don't think the pure vitriol for him is warranted. everyone is human and can fuck up, but if you are going to defend him, im curious, what more could he of gotten wrong? what would he have to do, short of killing someone, for you to say "ok this guy is a bad guy". based on the way he seems like a cocky guy when hes just typing and doesnt have to actually talk to someone, and then turning that around and coming off as quiet and mild mannered when talking to rachel he just seems like a 2 faced (bad) manipulator who is doing whatever it takes to make himself less hated now that the smoke has cleared. this isnt just being a bit cocky while on the net, like 99% of people are, this is downright rudeness in a professional capacity, all those screenshots of him being dicks to people wasnt guy talking to x person, it was organiser of the ppsl talking to talent. the fact he is coming on these shows (as someone who has a history of dodging talking about his mistakes or trying to fix it) suggests to me that he thinks if he works the pr well enough people will forgive him, give him another chance. even if he wasnt wasting peoples money, not doing any work at all, leaving people high and dry in debt without even trying to help, jerking people around up to the day of the tourney, he still shouldnt be allowed back into esports management any time soon. there are so many people who are so much better at their job than him that we have no need to leave any event to a guy like that, other people will step up and easily fill his shoes. but you add on the list of huge character defects i listed and i dont see a reason for anyone to ever talk to him again. Just bolded a couple of points, for the first, he could have got a LOT more wrong. He could have just taken all the money and bolted, he could have not done anything at all, he could have not stepped up in the first place and all those spectators at the event never would have enjoyed it (regardless of what happened "behind the scenes" that they had no idea about.) Just because the guy has an ego, and is probably even a bit mentally challenged doesn't mean he didn't have the best of intentions. There was a failure on more than just his part here. Everything he said and did (my favourite thing is still his hype/promo youtube video that just uses cut-scene material and text, a 30 minute after effects job basically) should have been an indicator to IGN/potential sponsors that this guy was not top class e-sport event/promotion material. Instead they gave this guy who doesn't have the skills money, which he admitted was simply not enough for his plans. I'm sure regardless of how much money he actually recieved he would not have had enough (which is a common theme for people who have an inability to manage money.) And on the second point, I agree 100%. There is no need to leave any event to a guy like that, there never should have been in the first place, which is why, in a way, I almost feel sorry for him. I just can't see a criminal master-mind behind this facade, I see an idiot, but not a criminal... Who knows maybe I'm the sucker...
I think the "what could he have done worse" part of the guy you quoted was rhetorical. I mean its like, "I mean he could have raped her too so just murder isnt too bad," or (for a less hyperbolic example) "Sure he stole tens of thousands of dollars and cheated dozens of people on the way, but he could have stolen hundreds of thousands and cheated hundreds of people." I mean the natural response to your first paragraph is, "So the fact that hes a deceptive thief is forgiveable? Just the fact that he could have stolen more and deceived more people means hes not a criminal?"
I do agree with half of your final statement though. Hes an idiot, but his also a criminal idiot. You dont have to be smart or competent to be a criminal.
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How do we know he overspent?
We need evidence. It's too profitable for him to just put $12K in his pocket and claim he overspent. He needs to bear the burden of the debt even if he did overspend.
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where were the questions about bribing moonglade to play for azk? and where the money for HoN tourney went to? and all the other issues? and why didn't he answer when the honslaught tourney will be held when seltzer asked him?
the whole interviewed basically answered nothing.
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Thank goodness I didn't (arguably) waste my time watching the interview. Reading a couple pages in this thread gave me the confidence that there wasn't anything that you guys didn't already summarize (not much) :D
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On November 17 2011 15:40 Nomad123 wrote:
where were the questions about bribing moonglade to play for azk? and where the money for HoN tourney went to? and all the other issues? and why didn't he answer when the honslaught tourney will be held when seltzer asked him?
the whole interviewed basically answered nothing.
Not just moonglade. He would demand players to join AZK before paying for their flight. All of them. This is why the Cube team did not make it, coincidentally leading to a lot of byes for AZK players.
This is why teamless Korean player, Violet was tagged AZK, and left the team as soon as PPSL finished.
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lets see some actual documentation about how you spent the money
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I'm quite sure that what happened was not a result of evil intent, but simply very VERY bad judgement, common sense, and money management. I'm sure he pocketed no money, and simply really fucked up and overspent and didn't know what to do about it. Just terrible fucking management. And that's bad, but, it would have been "fine," but what the issue here is, is there is a list of accusations that need to be directly addressed. We need to know what actually happened.
Instead we get the run around, absolutely nothing directly addressed, no questions really answered. This is what really pisses people off. Almost zero communication, always impossible to contact, and on the rare occasion he gives any kind of statement, the statement doesn't address fucking ANYTHING anyone wants addressed and is just a vague apology for what happened.
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People stepping on the cable caused lag -.-
Is Gus really this stupid?
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On November 17 2011 16:14 Scarecrow wrote:
People stepping on the cable caused lag -.-
Is Gus really this stupid?
He's incredibly stupid.
There's 2 possibilities:
1) Lag is genuine, and he's so stupid he thinks stepping on a cable caused it.
2) He made up the lag, but he still sincerely thinks stepping on cables can cause it is a feasibly explanation, so offers it as a lie that he thinks will pass as realistic.
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On November 17 2011 13:36 Zvek wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 12:39 rave[wcr] wrote:
we need a gus "the criminal" lesdesma meme
Bet his parents thought up this exact quote like 23 years ago. well atleast the top one.
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Um, sorry guys, but stepping on cables does cause lag, if you use certain cables. I was an IT guy for 8 years or so, and one of the things I learned is that there are two kinds of cables, rigid ones and flexible ones. You put rigid ones in walls, or in the ceiling or what have you. You put the flexible ones anywhere they may come into contact with human beings. The rigid ones are cheaper, so, trying to save my employer some money, I purchased a spool of them. Probably once a month I had to replace a broken cable. The rigid versus flexible has to do with the wires inside the cable. When you step on them, or roll over them with an office chair, they crack. There's 8 wires in there, and you only need...I think it's between 3 and 5, I can't remember, for the cable to function. So as more and more wires are broken from extended contact with humans, the cable becomes less and less useful, until it craps out completely. I'm not saying that's what actually happened, but it's a real thing, I promise. And the stream did go faster on day 2, so maybe they just fixed the cable? I don't know.
About the interview, I was disappointed. Not only by the softball questions, but by Gus' dodging the ones that weren't softballs. She asked about the HoN tournament and he just said there wasn't time. Ok, well the follow up to that is "so where's the 2000 dollars?" but we didn't hear that asked. And, realistically, if she had asked things like that, he probably would have just hung up the phone. Still would have been nice to have her ask though.
And for those saying he's just incompetent and got in over his head, I have to disagree. Simply because there were 5 people he was supposed to send, and he told them up until two days before the event that he was sending them, and he didn't. Because he took YYJ's spot and gave it to Syckness after trying to give it to Moonglade. And, most importantly, because he asked Amanda and Clive to secure debt that, according to what he said on the show, he already knew he couldn't pay for. He willingly put Amanda and Clive on the wrong end of the law, knowing exactly what the consequences to both of them would be. If not for this community and IPL, Amanda would be in a world of hurt right now, cause you know Gus wouldn't have the money by the 21st. And then you add in all the things he's said in the various transcripts you can find in the various threads about this debacle, and it paints a very clear picture of an arrogant, selfish narcicist who cared more about hobnobbing with the SC2 celebs then about creating a brilliant event. And he cared more about pushing HIS league and HIS clan to the forefront then he did about the SEA scene as a whole. He is simply a poor excuse for a person, all the way around.
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