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On December 12 2011 20:35 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 12:51 TeH_CaRnAg3 wrote:
playing bw helped... playing a ton of games helped... forgg is good because of both. Those who didn't play bw or weren't good at bw want to say it was mass gaming so they can think there ganna be as good by playing a lot. Sure... you will be good by playing a lot so keep playing. people who played or were good at bw want to say it's because of his bw backround he's this good. Yup, it surely did help he played a professional rts that's more similar to sc2 than any other game . Yah I think that would help.
stop it. He's good because he played a similar rts for many years and trained the same way he's training now. he's also good because he's putting a lot of work in. Both are contributing. People also forget BW's role at finding talent. It's not just who practises the most and who is the most dedicated. It's also about talent. And if you were succesful in a game as competetive as BW mass gaming simply didn't cut it. You had to have something else to bring to the table. That something is talent. BW pros are highly talented and they work like crazy. That is why they are so good and that is why they will rock the scene.
You live on earth.. filled with billions of people. Some will naturally be better at say RTS or starcraft than others. But talent only helps early on in a progamers life, theres only so much you can depend on talent for. Someone without a bw "talented" backround can still be just as good by putting in the work to better understand the game. Mass gaming does nothing for you if you don't have the right mindset in your training, and aren't trying to further your understanding of your own play and the game as a whole. I only said what I said because it's dumb for this arguement to continue because both sides are right. Naturally if you play a game so similar but more difficult than sc2 for many years prior, and trained the same way training now, you have a leg up because your already know the grind of improvement.
But having that knowledge you have to put in the work, naturally the more you play a game the better you get. he has a leg up because he knows that you can't just mass game you have to further your understanding of the game itself, which came from BW. But all his know-how in progaming wouldn't mean squat if he wasn't putting in the effort. I've heard pro's talk about july and his lack of practice this last year. idk if its true, but the same thing applies if it is. He has mad talent, but since he wasn't putting work in he would obviously beat the average bear but anyone putting work in he'd lose to.
There just isn't a point to TL debates like this because everyone is right..
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On December 12 2011 22:05 TeH_CaRnAg3 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 20:35 Squeegy wrote:On December 12 2011 12:51 TeH_CaRnAg3 wrote:
playing bw helped... playing a ton of games helped... forgg is good because of both. Those who didn't play bw or weren't good at bw want to say it was mass gaming so they can think there ganna be as good by playing a lot. Sure... you will be good by playing a lot so keep playing. people who played or were good at bw want to say it's because of his bw backround he's this good. Yup, it surely did help he played a professional rts that's more similar to sc2 than any other game . Yah I think that would help.
stop it. He's good because he played a similar rts for many years and trained the same way he's training now. he's also good because he's putting a lot of work in. Both are contributing. People also forget BW's role at finding talent. It's not just who practises the most and who is the most dedicated. It's also about talent. And if you were succesful in a game as competetive as BW mass gaming simply didn't cut it. You had to have something else to bring to the table. That something is talent. BW pros are highly talented and they work like crazy. That is why they are so good and that is why they will rock the scene. You live on earth.. filled with billions of people. Some will naturally be better at say RTS or starcraft than others. But talent only helps early on in a progamers life, theres only so much you can depend on talent for. Someone without a bw "talented" backround can still be just as good by putting in the work to better understand the game. Mass gaming does nothing for you if you don't have the right mindset in your training, and aren't trying to further your understanding of your own play and the game as a whole. I only said what I said because it's dumb for this arguement to continue because both sides are right. Naturally if you play a game so similar but more difficult than sc2 for many years prior, and trained the same way training now, you have a leg up because your already know the grind of improvement. But having that knowledge you have to put in the work, naturally the more you play a game the better you get. he has a leg up because he knows that you can't just mass game you have to further your understanding of the game itself, which came from BW. But all his know-how in progaming wouldn't mean squat if he wasn't putting in the effort. I've heard pro's talk about july and his lack of practice this last year. idk if its true, but the same thing applies if it is. He has mad talent, but since he wasn't putting work in he would obviously beat the average bear but anyone putting work in he'd lose to. There just isn't a point to TL debates like this because everyone is right..
I think you have misunderstood what talent is. If you have no talent and you practise as much as the BW pros you won't become as good as them. On the other hand, if you have plenty of talent but don't practise much then you also won't get very far.
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On December 12 2011 12:33 FlyingDike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 12:23 Ktk wrote:On December 12 2011 11:58 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 12 2011 11:55 FlyingDike wrote:
forgg said on his twitter that he was just toying around while streaming for the sake of his fans!...but lets get real here.. What other pro player consistently pulls his mules off the minerals before they die?(without health bars) Yeah that doesn't make sense Watching him do the same 4-5 builds over... and over.... and over... and over is not fun on a stream. You might've missed his cheeses and stupidtroll builds like getting a 3rd CC before gas marine only vs z (which by then had 2/2 bane/ling infestor, or 2rax proxy against huk/idra rematches He beat bomber offracing as protoss too.
Lol VOD? Or what build did he go?
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Bomber stream v hydra
a lot of trololo now
they are speak english in game ;d
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Hes playing PuMa on his stream right now. Still dont know if this is the real deal but this is the best/most consistent creep spreading ive ever seen. 42 minutes into the game and hes still spreading creep.
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Yeah i saw this a week ago. Hotkeys don't match Galaxy's, they must have just shared the account.
EDIT: I am going to recheck.
Edit2: Checked. They match some but not nearly as much as Losira's. I still am pretty sure it's Losira... But they do match a little.
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I've heard multiple times already, and Huk just said it a couple days ago, that all the BW teams are practicing SC2 as well. I don't work for Kespa or the Korean Ministry of Culture, so obviously I don't know the specifics of what's going on, but we very well could be seeing the beginning of the transition of BW to SC2 in Korea.
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Kespa divided Proleague into two half length seasons for a reason :p I think it could flop though. It's probably a test run to see how the fans like it.
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I dont follow BW but i dont think it would make much sense for these top BW pros to switch. While SC2 is a huge success in the foreign scene it is still somewhat of a flop in korea from what i get. Why change when your market is still very strong.
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On December 29 2011 12:43 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
I've heard multiple times already, and Huk just said it a couple days ago, that all the BW teams are practicing SC2 as well. I don't work for Kespa or the Korean Ministry of Culture, so obviously I don't know the specifics of what's going on, but we very well could be seeing the beginning of the transition of BW to SC2 in Korea.
this was known a long time ago, back when KT and a couple of other teams upgraded their computers
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cmon BW pros, switch over to the dark side! Muhahahahahahahaha =P
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On January 03 2012 16:38 Quintum_ wrote:
I dont follow BW but i dont think it would make much sense for these top BW pros to switch. While SC2 is a huge success in the foreign scene it is still somewhat of a flop in korea from what i get. Why change when your market is still very strong.
Yes, the BW scene is still more popular in Korea, but if you keep in mind that alot of the sponsors left last year and how there were several teams that already disbanded, it makes the decision understandable, to transition into a game that has a potentially bright future.
The merging of the two Starcraft scenes in Korea would definately help the e-sports in general, from an economic point of view.
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On December 13 2011 01:29 eYeball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 12:33 FlyingDike wrote:On December 12 2011 12:23 Ktk wrote:On December 12 2011 11:58 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 12 2011 11:55 FlyingDike wrote:
forgg said on his twitter that he was just toying around while streaming for the sake of his fans!...but lets get real here.. What other pro player consistently pulls his mules off the minerals before they die?(without health bars) Yeah that doesn't make sense Watching him do the same 4-5 builds over... and over.... and over... and over is not fun on a stream. You might've missed his cheeses and stupidtroll builds like getting a 3rd CC before gas marine only vs z (which by then had 2/2 bane/ling infestor, or 2rax proxy against huk/idra rematches He beat bomber offracing as protoss too. Lol VOD? Or what build did he go?
He also beat sase in pvp and some other known protoss, as well as some topterrans as Z =] Don't have link to the exact vods, but it's on own3d / blabla / ogsforgg.
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On December 12 2011 20:35 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 12:51 TeH_CaRnAg3 wrote:
playing bw helped... playing a ton of games helped... forgg is good because of both. Those who didn't play bw or weren't good at bw want to say it was mass gaming so they can think there ganna be as good by playing a lot. Sure... you will be good by playing a lot so keep playing. people who played or were good at bw want to say it's because of his bw backround he's this good. Yup, it surely did help he played a professional rts that's more similar to sc2 than any other game . Yah I think that would help.
stop it. He's good because he played a similar rts for many years and trained the same way he's training now. he's also good because he's putting a lot of work in. Both are contributing. People also forget BW's role at finding talent. It's not just who practises the most and who is the most dedicated. It's also about talent. And if you were succesful in a game as competetive as BW mass gaming simply didn't cut it. You had to have something else to bring to the table. That something is talent. BW pros are highly talented and they work like crazy. That is why they are so good and that is why they will rock the scene.
And why is it that BW elitists think sc2 does not find talented and dedicated players?
Also, why do you rule out the possibility that a player like MVP put a lot more effort into sc2 than he did in bw? Is that so unrealistic?
I'm sure if Flash/Jaedong/Bisu switched to sc2, they have the potential to be dominating players. But they'd have to put in the same amount of hours and sick practice they did when they became good in bw and I'm sure it's hard to motivate yourself when you've already been at the top of another game. I don't think all of them would be able to.
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On January 03 2012 20:04 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 20:35 Squeegy wrote:On December 12 2011 12:51 TeH_CaRnAg3 wrote:
playing bw helped... playing a ton of games helped... forgg is good because of both. Those who didn't play bw or weren't good at bw want to say it was mass gaming so they can think there ganna be as good by playing a lot. Sure... you will be good by playing a lot so keep playing. people who played or were good at bw want to say it's because of his bw backround he's this good. Yup, it surely did help he played a professional rts that's more similar to sc2 than any other game . Yah I think that would help.
stop it. He's good because he played a similar rts for many years and trained the same way he's training now. he's also good because he's putting a lot of work in. Both are contributing. People also forget BW's role at finding talent. It's not just who practises the most and who is the most dedicated. It's also about talent. And if you were succesful in a game as competetive as BW mass gaming simply didn't cut it. You had to have something else to bring to the table. That something is talent. BW pros are highly talented and they work like crazy. That is why they are so good and that is why they will rock the scene. And why is it that BW elitists think sc2 does not find talented and dedicated players? Also, why do you rule out the possibility that a player like MVP put a lot more effort into sc2 than he did in bw? Is that so unrealistic? I'm sure if Flash/Jaedong/Bisu switched to sc2, they have the potential to be dominating players. But they'd have to put in the same amount of hours and sick practice they did when they became good in bw and I'm sure it's hard to motivate yourself when you've already been at the top of another game. I don't think all of them would be able to.
I agree wholeheartedly. Tyler was a dominating force in BW and without practice now in SC2 he hasn't been dominating as much.
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On January 03 2012 20:04 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 20:35 Squeegy wrote:On December 12 2011 12:51 TeH_CaRnAg3 wrote:
playing bw helped... playing a ton of games helped... forgg is good because of both. Those who didn't play bw or weren't good at bw want to say it was mass gaming so they can think there ganna be as good by playing a lot. Sure... you will be good by playing a lot so keep playing. people who played or were good at bw want to say it's because of his bw backround he's this good. Yup, it surely did help he played a professional rts that's more similar to sc2 than any other game . Yah I think that would help.
stop it. He's good because he played a similar rts for many years and trained the same way he's training now. he's also good because he's putting a lot of work in. Both are contributing. People also forget BW's role at finding talent. It's not just who practises the most and who is the most dedicated. It's also about talent. And if you were succesful in a game as competetive as BW mass gaming simply didn't cut it. You had to have something else to bring to the table. That something is talent. BW pros are highly talented and they work like crazy. That is why they are so good and that is why they will rock the scene. And why is it that BW elitists think sc2 does not find talented and dedicated players? Also, why do you rule out the possibility that a player like MVP put a lot more effort into sc2 than he did in bw? Is that so unrealistic? I'm sure if Flash/Jaedong/Bisu switched to sc2, they have the potential to be dominating players. But they'd have to put in the same amount of hours and sick practice they did when they became good in bw and I'm sure it's hard to motivate yourself when you've already been at the top of another game. I don't think all of them would be able to.
mvp lived in a pro house and HAD to practice. it was his job
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On January 03 2012 16:38 Quintum_ wrote:
I dont follow BW but i dont think it would make much sense for these top BW pros to switch. While SC2 is a huge success in the foreign scene it is still somewhat of a flop in korea from what i get. Why change when your market is still very strong.
Well i'm no expert on the Korean market but i would assume that if all the top players and tournaments switched over to SC2 that it would rise in prominence very quickly. Maybe not to the size of BW straight away but certainly bigger than it is now.
Then they could still be apart of the strong Korean scene whilst also taking advantage of the growing international market.
I don't think it will happen for a while yet though.
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