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On December 12 2011 11:49 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Plexa: Which made him a good SC2 player, though? I'm not saying the BW-pro status doesn't help, because it totally does. But I'll bet my house that he's a much better player now than he was 8000 games ago. He's crushing because he's been in mass-game-mode for the last eight months, not because he switched over yesterday and is just that much better than everyone else.
Amazing reply. Did you even read Plexa's last 5 words?
Since we're on this topic, let me ask, do SC2 progamers (how about just the korean ones) ALSO sleep 8 or 9 hours and practice the rest away each day every day if there is an upcoming match?
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forgg said on his twitter that he was just toying around while streaming for the sake of his fans!...but lets get real here.. What other pro player consistently pulls his mules off the minerals before they die?(without health bars)
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On December 12 2011 11:29 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 10:57 s4life wrote:On December 12 2011 09:53 Doodsmack wrote:On December 12 2011 07:10 s4life wrote:On December 10 2011 08:03 Roxy wrote:
I think a lot of BW fans are going to be disappointed when the BW pros swtich to SC2.
I dont doubt that they will do well (code s), and it is entirely likely that they will win some tournaments.. i just dont think it will be by the crazy one-sided margin that many of you expect. You mean, dominating like MVP - the best ex pro BW gamer currently playing in SC2 - I'll take that bet. TLBS are in a whole different level than MVP, MC and other mediocre players.. Always love when you guys repeat so many times how you feel current SC2 pros are bad as if you need to ram it down our throats. Why else would add in that little "mediocre players" jab? You ignore the inherent game design of SC2 which closes the skill gap in mechanics. Certainly the BW pros will still be great at figuring out strategy, but the nature of SC2 will close the gap between the S class BW pros and the rest. It seems pretty clear that your prediction that the skill gap in SC2 (once the BW pros switch over ) will mirror the current one in BW is incorrect. They're different games. They were mediocre in SC1, are you arguing they weren't? SC2 is a different game, but MVP is the best SC2 player and was the best SC1 player at the time he switched...it might be just coincidence as you suggest, but I think there is something else there.. we'll see when/if forgg starts smashing players in code S next season.. if that happens, you'll have to eat your words about all that 'closing the skill gap in mechanics', coz that sounds like a lot of bull to me right now -- we just don't know what is possible to do in-game right now only after a year. ForGG has been playing this game since Season 1, the number of games in all of his accounts (Fin, Apex, Raptor) are much higher than a lot of current sc2 pro. In fact, if the profile on sc2rank.com is correct, he has been playing roughly 8000 games since season 1 on all of his accounts. He is not some godlike BW pro who suddenly popped up and is going to dominating the scene in 2 months. He is good, everybody knows that, even current Korean sc2 pro know that, since they have been playing against him on ladder for a longest time. He's going to be top Korean pro for sure, everybody knows that. BUT that is because of his hard work, dedication, determination, not because he has BW tag in his profile. People like you who are selling him short are making me sad.
This sort of sentiment has been posted quite a bit for some reason. Why do you have to temper any success he has with rationalizations like this to try to disprove BW apologists' arguments? Is it some spiteful defiance? The Elephant article explicitly talks about BW professionals' work ethics.
Moreover, it's easy to see why his game count would be higher, having not been on a pro team for most of the year and not having access to high-level custom game matches. And even when Raptor was outed by HuK as ForGG in mid July, did you not realize that ForGG, even just playing semi-seriously at that point, was still rank 16 Korean GM and good enough to be matched against HuK? Only now for the last two months has he been in serious training after joining a pro team, and he makes Code S on his first try by steamrolling his opponents. Why can't that be impressive without someone whispering, "But it's been eight months, some grand intangible BW mojo had nothing to do with it"?
Sheesh.
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On December 12 2011 11:55 FlyingDike wrote:
forgg said on his twitter that he was just toying around while streaming for the sake of his fans!...but lets get real here.. What other pro player consistently pulls his mules off the minerals before they die?(without health bars)
Yeah that doesn't make sense
Watching him do the same 4-5 builds over... and over.... and over... and over is not fun on a stream.
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On December 12 2011 11:29 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 10:57 s4life wrote:On December 12 2011 09:53 Doodsmack wrote:On December 12 2011 07:10 s4life wrote:On December 10 2011 08:03 Roxy wrote:
I think a lot of BW fans are going to be disappointed when the BW pros swtich to SC2.
I dont doubt that they will do well (code s), and it is entirely likely that they will win some tournaments.. i just dont think it will be by the crazy one-sided margin that many of you expect. You mean, dominating like MVP - the best ex pro BW gamer currently playing in SC2 - I'll take that bet. TLBS are in a whole different level than MVP, MC and other mediocre players.. Always love when you guys repeat so many times how you feel current SC2 pros are bad as if you need to ram it down our throats. Why else would add in that little "mediocre players" jab? You ignore the inherent game design of SC2 which closes the skill gap in mechanics. Certainly the BW pros will still be great at figuring out strategy, but the nature of SC2 will close the gap between the S class BW pros and the rest. It seems pretty clear that your prediction that the skill gap in SC2 (once the BW pros switch over ) will mirror the current one in BW is incorrect. They're different games. They were mediocre in SC1, are you arguing they weren't? SC2 is a different game, but MVP is the best SC2 player and was the best SC1 player at the time he switched...it might be just coincidence as you suggest, but I think there is something else there.. we'll see when/if forgg starts smashing players in code S next season.. if that happens, you'll have to eat your words about all that 'closing the skill gap in mechanics', coz that sounds like a lot of bull to me right now -- we just don't know what is possible to do in-game right now only after a year. ForGG has been playing this game since Season 1, the number of games in all of his accounts (Fin, Apex, Raptor) are much higher than a lot of current sc2 pro. In fact, if the profile on sc2rank.com is correct, he has been playing roughly 8000 games since season 1 on all of his accounts. He is not some godlike BW pro who suddenly popped up and is going to dominating the scene in 2 months. He is good, everybody knows that, even current Korean sc2 pro know that, since they have been playing against him on ladder for a longest time. He's going to be top Korean pro for sure, everybody knows that. BUT that is because of his hard work, dedication, determination, not because he has BW tag in his profile. People like you who are selling him short are making me sad.
When did I suggest forgg is lazy or something? if you think about it, absolutely all BW pros that have had some success so far, are dedicated, determined and have a work ethic that is unmatched.. it just requires a lot of work to master a game like BW. As such, the idea of training hard is so ingrained in these gamers' personalities that you might as well say that they carry being a top BW-pro as a tag.
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On December 12 2011 11:58 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 11:55 FlyingDike wrote:
forgg said on his twitter that he was just toying around while streaming for the sake of his fans!...but lets get real here.. What other pro player consistently pulls his mules off the minerals before they die?(without health bars) Yeah that doesn't make sense Watching him do the same 4-5 builds over... and over.... and over... and over is not fun on a stream.
I think he was just trying to showoff his multitasking and micro, which are pretty ridiculous
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On December 12 2011 11:44 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 11:29 canikizu wrote:On December 12 2011 10:57 s4life wrote:On December 12 2011 09:53 Doodsmack wrote:On December 12 2011 07:10 s4life wrote:On December 10 2011 08:03 Roxy wrote:
I think a lot of BW fans are going to be disappointed when the BW pros swtich to SC2.
I dont doubt that they will do well (code s), and it is entirely likely that they will win some tournaments.. i just dont think it will be by the crazy one-sided margin that many of you expect. You mean, dominating like MVP - the best ex pro BW gamer currently playing in SC2 - I'll take that bet. TLBS are in a whole different level than MVP, MC and other mediocre players.. Always love when you guys repeat so many times how you feel current SC2 pros are bad as if you need to ram it down our throats. Why else would add in that little "mediocre players" jab? You ignore the inherent game design of SC2 which closes the skill gap in mechanics. Certainly the BW pros will still be great at figuring out strategy, but the nature of SC2 will close the gap between the S class BW pros and the rest. It seems pretty clear that your prediction that the skill gap in SC2 (once the BW pros switch over ) will mirror the current one in BW is incorrect. They're different games. They were mediocre in SC1, are you arguing they weren't? SC2 is a different game, but MVP is the best SC2 player and was the best SC1 player at the time he switched...it might be just coincidence as you suggest, but I think there is something else there.. we'll see when/if forgg starts smashing players in code S next season.. if that happens, you'll have to eat your words about all that 'closing the skill gap in mechanics', coz that sounds like a lot of bull to me right now -- we just don't know what is possible to do in-game right now only after a year. ForGG has been playing this game since Season 1, the number of games in all of his accounts (Fin, Apex, Raptor) are much higher than a lot of current sc2 pro. In fact, if the profile on sc2rank.com is correct, he has been playing roughly 8000 games since season 1 on all of his accounts. He is not some godlike BW pro who suddenly popped up and is going to dominating the scene in 2 months. He is good, everybody knows that, even current Korean sc2 pro know that, since they have been playing against him on ladder for a longest time. He's going to be top Korean pro for sure, everybody knows that. BUT that is because of his hard work, dedication, determination, not because he has BW tag in his profile. People like you who are selling him short are making me sad. You don't think the fact that he is a former BW pro has any correlation to the fact he's played tons of games?
Yes, but if there were a random guy who has been playing 8000 games with no BW background making breakout, we would not open the sentence with "BW pro" every time we talk about the guy, instead we will only look at that guy as who he is: a dedicate player.
I'm tired with people who keep saying BW pro has super sayan power which makes them instantly turn god in 1,2 months. They're working hard for it. that's all that matters.
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On December 12 2011 11:58 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 11:55 FlyingDike wrote:
forgg said on his twitter that he was just toying around while streaming for the sake of his fans!...but lets get real here.. What other pro player consistently pulls his mules off the minerals before they die?(without health bars) Yeah that doesn't make sense Watching him do the same 4-5 builds over... and over.... and over... and over is not fun on a stream.
You might've missed his cheeses and stupidtroll builds like getting a 3rd CC before gas marine only vs z (which by then had 2/2 bane/ling infestor, or 2rax proxy against huk/idra rematches
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On December 12 2011 12:23 Ktk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 11:58 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 12 2011 11:55 FlyingDike wrote:
forgg said on his twitter that he was just toying around while streaming for the sake of his fans!...but lets get real here.. What other pro player consistently pulls his mules off the minerals before they die?(without health bars) Yeah that doesn't make sense Watching him do the same 4-5 builds over... and over.... and over... and over is not fun on a stream. You might've missed his cheeses and stupidtroll builds like getting a 3rd CC before gas marine only vs z (which by then had 2/2 bane/ling infestor, or 2rax proxy against huk/idra rematches
He beat bomber offracing as protoss too.
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Why did people ever think this was actually Hydra to begin with? The guy has to spend so many hours every day to be the current best zerg he would have no time to play SC2 as many hours a day as this smurf has been spending.
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playing bw helped... playing a ton of games helped... forgg is good because of both. Those who didn't play bw or weren't good at bw want to say it was mass gaming so they can think there ganna be as good by playing a lot. Sure... you will be good by playing a lot so keep playing. people who played or were good at bw want to say it's because of his bw backround he's this good. Yup, it surely did help he played a professional rts that's more similar to sc2 than any other game . Yah I think that would help.
stop it. He's good because he played a similar rts for many years and trained the same way he's training now. he's also good because he's putting a lot of work in. Both are contributing.
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On December 12 2011 11:55 FlyingDike wrote:
forgg said on his twitter that he was just toying around while streaming for the sake of his fans!...but lets get real here.. What other pro player consistently pulls his mules off the minerals before they die?(without health bars)
Top koreans have been doing that for a while now. And iirc you only have to do that if you put the mule on a short patch instead of a far one.
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On December 12 2011 11:42 keyStorm wrote:
if he just started playing this game...wow! he's amazing already
Its not Hydra, its most likely Losira.
OP should really include this tweet from him, so that people dont get confused
xSDKx
@dongwon8247 Are you playing StarCraft 2?
dongwon8247
@xSDKx No~
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whoever hydra is, owned me up earlier today
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On December 12 2011 12:51 TeH_CaRnAg3 wrote:
playing bw helped... playing a ton of games helped... forgg is good because of both. Those who didn't play bw or weren't good at bw want to say it was mass gaming so they can think there ganna be as good by playing a lot. Sure... you will be good by playing a lot so keep playing. people who played or were good at bw want to say it's because of his bw backround he's this good. Yup, it surely did help he played a professional rts that's more similar to sc2 than any other game . Yah I think that would help.
stop it. He's good because he played a similar rts for many years and trained the same way he's training now. he's also good because he's putting a lot of work in. Both are contributing.
People also forget BW's role at finding talent. It's not just who practises the most and who is the most dedicated. It's also about talent. And if you were succesful in a game as competetive as BW mass gaming simply didn't cut it. You had to have something else to bring to the table. That something is talent. BW pros are highly talented and they work like crazy. That is why they are so good and that is why they will rock the scene.
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Later on his stream huk watched that replay and the account was CJentushydra
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Yeah on ladder i saw Bomber play cjentushydra it was sick and then i watched huk vs him Hydra is sick good already
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I saw Hydra vs Huk on Huk's stream. Hyrda is already very good. His BW multi tasking shows.
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watched hydra beat bomber in a battled out game. bomber gave it his best and still lost 
surprized to see how fast these BW guys are adapting onto sc2!
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Can you guys read before you post? It's not hydra...
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