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On December 12 2011 07:10 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 08:03 Roxy wrote:
I think a lot of BW fans are going to be disappointed when the BW pros swtich to SC2.
I dont doubt that they will do well (code s), and it is entirely likely that they will win some tournaments.. i just dont think it will be by the crazy one-sided margin that many of you expect. You mean, dominating like MVP - the best ex pro BW gamer currently playing in SC2 - I'll take that bet. TLBS are in a whole different level than MVP, MC and other mediocre players..
Always love when you guys repeat so many times how you feel current SC2 pros are bad as if you need to ram it down our throats. Why else would add in that little "mediocre players" jab? You ignore the inherent game design of SC2 which closes the skill gap in mechanics. Certainly the BW pros will still be great at figuring out strategy, but the nature of SC2 will close the gap between the S class BW pros and the rest. It seems pretty clear that your prediction that the skill gap in SC2 (once the BW pros switch over ) will mirror the current one in BW is incorrect. They're different games.
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On December 12 2011 09:53 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 07:10 s4life wrote:On December 10 2011 08:03 Roxy wrote:
I think a lot of BW fans are going to be disappointed when the BW pros swtich to SC2.
I dont doubt that they will do well (code s), and it is entirely likely that they will win some tournaments.. i just dont think it will be by the crazy one-sided margin that many of you expect. You mean, dominating like MVP - the best ex pro BW gamer currently playing in SC2 - I'll take that bet. TLBS are in a whole different level than MVP, MC and other mediocre players.. Always love when you guys repeat so many times how you feel current SC2 pros are bad as if you need to ram it down our throats. Why else would add in that little "mediocre players" jab? You ignore the inherent game design of SC2 which closes the skill gap in mechanics. Certainly the BW pros will still be great at figuring out strategy, but the nature of SC2 will close the gap between the S class BW pros and the rest. It seems pretty clear that your prediction that the skill gap in SC2 (once the BW pros switch over ) will mirror the current one in BW is incorrect. They're different games.
They were mediocre in SC1, are you arguing they weren't? SC2 is a different game, but MVP is the best SC2 player and was the best SC1 player at the time he switched...it might be just coincidence as you suggest, but I think there is something else there.. we'll see when/if forgg starts smashing players in code S next season.. if that happens, you'll have to eat your words about all that 'closing the skill gap in mechanics', coz that sounds like a lot of bull to me right now -- we just don't know what is possible to do in-game right now only after a year.
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On December 12 2011 10:57 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 09:53 Doodsmack wrote:On December 12 2011 07:10 s4life wrote:On December 10 2011 08:03 Roxy wrote:
I think a lot of BW fans are going to be disappointed when the BW pros swtich to SC2.
I dont doubt that they will do well (code s), and it is entirely likely that they will win some tournaments.. i just dont think it will be by the crazy one-sided margin that many of you expect. You mean, dominating like MVP - the best ex pro BW gamer currently playing in SC2 - I'll take that bet. TLBS are in a whole different level than MVP, MC and other mediocre players.. Always love when you guys repeat so many times how you feel current SC2 pros are bad as if you need to ram it down our throats. Why else would add in that little "mediocre players" jab? You ignore the inherent game design of SC2 which closes the skill gap in mechanics. Certainly the BW pros will still be great at figuring out strategy, but the nature of SC2 will close the gap between the S class BW pros and the rest. It seems pretty clear that your prediction that the skill gap in SC2 (once the BW pros switch over ) will mirror the current one in BW is incorrect. They're different games. They were mediocre in SC1, are you arguing they weren't? SC2 is a different game, but MVP is the best SC2 player and was the best SC1 player at the time he switched...it might be just coincidence as you suggest, but I think there is something else there.. we'll see when/if forgg starts smashing players in code S next season.. if that happens, you'll have to eat your words about all that 'closing the skill gap in mechanics', coz that sounds like a lot of bull to me right now -- we just don't know what is possible to do in-game right now only after a year.
People have to admit there is at least a correlation between BW success and SC2 success. While it's probably got very little to do with having good BW marine micro for example leading to strong TvZ timing pushes, those who are the best at BW have demonstrably better multitasking/mouse and hand speed & accuracy etc... these are skills transferrable to any similar game. Like SC2.
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On December 12 2011 10:57 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 09:53 Doodsmack wrote:On December 12 2011 07:10 s4life wrote:On December 10 2011 08:03 Roxy wrote:
I think a lot of BW fans are going to be disappointed when the BW pros swtich to SC2.
I dont doubt that they will do well (code s), and it is entirely likely that they will win some tournaments.. i just dont think it will be by the crazy one-sided margin that many of you expect. You mean, dominating like MVP - the best ex pro BW gamer currently playing in SC2 - I'll take that bet. TLBS are in a whole different level than MVP, MC and other mediocre players.. Always love when you guys repeat so many times how you feel current SC2 pros are bad as if you need to ram it down our throats. Why else would add in that little "mediocre players" jab? You ignore the inherent game design of SC2 which closes the skill gap in mechanics. Certainly the BW pros will still be great at figuring out strategy, but the nature of SC2 will close the gap between the S class BW pros and the rest. It seems pretty clear that your prediction that the skill gap in SC2 (once the BW pros switch over ) will mirror the current one in BW is incorrect. They're different games. They were mediocre in SC1, are you arguing they weren't? SC2 is a different game, but MVP is the best SC2 player and was the best SC1 player at the time he switched...it might be just coincidence as you suggest, but I think there is something else there.. we'll see when/if forgg starts smashing players in code S next season.. if that happens, you'll have to eat your words about all that 'closing the skill gap in mechanics', coz that sounds like a lot of bull to me right now -- we just don't know what is possible to do in-game right now only after a year.
You're probably right, but you don't have to be a dick about it. And TLBS isn't really a fair comparison, they'd crush pretty much any RTS they played in. Honestly this whole debate is such a silly one.
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HuK playing (LosirA? Is that who we decided on?)Hydra on his stream now.
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On December 12 2011 11:06 DrunkenTemplar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 10:57 s4life wrote:On December 12 2011 09:53 Doodsmack wrote:On December 12 2011 07:10 s4life wrote:On December 10 2011 08:03 Roxy wrote:
I think a lot of BW fans are going to be disappointed when the BW pros swtich to SC2.
I dont doubt that they will do well (code s), and it is entirely likely that they will win some tournaments.. i just dont think it will be by the crazy one-sided margin that many of you expect. You mean, dominating like MVP - the best ex pro BW gamer currently playing in SC2 - I'll take that bet. TLBS are in a whole different level than MVP, MC and other mediocre players.. Always love when you guys repeat so many times how you feel current SC2 pros are bad as if you need to ram it down our throats. Why else would add in that little "mediocre players" jab? You ignore the inherent game design of SC2 which closes the skill gap in mechanics. Certainly the BW pros will still be great at figuring out strategy, but the nature of SC2 will close the gap between the S class BW pros and the rest. It seems pretty clear that your prediction that the skill gap in SC2 (once the BW pros switch over ) will mirror the current one in BW is incorrect. They're different games. They were mediocre in SC1, are you arguing they weren't? SC2 is a different game, but MVP is the best SC2 player and was the best SC1 player at the time he switched...it might be just coincidence as you suggest, but I think there is something else there.. we'll see when/if forgg starts smashing players in code S next season.. if that happens, you'll have to eat your words about all that 'closing the skill gap in mechanics', coz that sounds like a lot of bull to me right now -- we just don't know what is possible to do in-game right now only after a year. You're probably right, but you don't have to be a dick about it. And TLBS isn't really a fair comparison, they'd crush pretty much any RTS they played in. Honestly this whole debate is such a silly one.
No, he should be a dick about it. I'm tired of these idiotic idra/stephano fanboys thinking that their favorite player is "talented" - they're not. The skill gap between stephano and Jaedong is comparable to that of a diamond player and MVP.
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Any translation on the tweets?
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On December 12 2011 10:57 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 09:53 Doodsmack wrote:On December 12 2011 07:10 s4life wrote:On December 10 2011 08:03 Roxy wrote:
I think a lot of BW fans are going to be disappointed when the BW pros swtich to SC2.
I dont doubt that they will do well (code s), and it is entirely likely that they will win some tournaments.. i just dont think it will be by the crazy one-sided margin that many of you expect. You mean, dominating like MVP - the best ex pro BW gamer currently playing in SC2 - I'll take that bet. TLBS are in a whole different level than MVP, MC and other mediocre players.. Always love when you guys repeat so many times how you feel current SC2 pros are bad as if you need to ram it down our throats. Why else would add in that little "mediocre players" jab? You ignore the inherent game design of SC2 which closes the skill gap in mechanics. Certainly the BW pros will still be great at figuring out strategy, but the nature of SC2 will close the gap between the S class BW pros and the rest. It seems pretty clear that your prediction that the skill gap in SC2 (once the BW pros switch over ) will mirror the current one in BW is incorrect. They're different games. They were mediocre in SC1, are you arguing they weren't? SC2 is a different game, but MVP is the best SC2 player and was the best SC1 player at the time he switched...it might be just coincidence as you suggest, but I think there is something else there.. we'll see when/if forgg starts smashing players in code S next season.. if that happens, you'll have to eat your words about all that 'closing the skill gap in mechanics', coz that sounds like a lot of bull to me right now -- we just don't know what is possible to do in-game right now only after a year.
ForGG has been playing this game since Season 1, the number of games in all of his accounts (Fin, Apex, Raptor) are much higher than a lot of current sc2 pro. In fact, if the profile on sc2rank.com is correct, he has been playing roughly 8000 games since season 1 on all of his accounts. He is not some godlike BW pro who suddenly popped up and is going to dominating the scene in 2 months.
He is good, everybody knows that, even current Korean sc2 pro know that, since they have been playing against him on ladder for a longest time. He's going to be top Korean pro for sure, everybody knows that. BUT that is because of his hard work, dedication, determination, not because he has BW tag in his profile. People like you who are selling him short are making me sad.
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HuK wins a 38-minute game on Tal'Darim and gets an ovation from SlayerS.
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why has this turned into sc1 vs sc2? On a side note I gotta say I like it when trollsira stream snipes popular streamers hehehe
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On December 12 2011 11:39 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
HuK wins a 38-minute game on Tal'Darim and gets an ovation from SlayerS.
Standing ovation at that.
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if he just started playing this game...wow! he's amazing already
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On December 12 2011 11:40 Kluey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 11:39 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
HuK wins a 38-minute game on Tal'Darim and gets an ovation from SlayerS. Standing ovation at that.
for mothership vortex(s)
i don't think that was lorisa the playstyles are completely different and unit control is better
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On December 12 2011 11:39 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
HuK wins a 38-minute game on Tal'Darim and gets an ovation from SlayerS.
If you don't mind me asking how do you know? And why a standing O?
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On December 12 2011 11:29 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 10:57 s4life wrote:On December 12 2011 09:53 Doodsmack wrote:On December 12 2011 07:10 s4life wrote:On December 10 2011 08:03 Roxy wrote:
I think a lot of BW fans are going to be disappointed when the BW pros swtich to SC2.
I dont doubt that they will do well (code s), and it is entirely likely that they will win some tournaments.. i just dont think it will be by the crazy one-sided margin that many of you expect. You mean, dominating like MVP - the best ex pro BW gamer currently playing in SC2 - I'll take that bet. TLBS are in a whole different level than MVP, MC and other mediocre players.. Always love when you guys repeat so many times how you feel current SC2 pros are bad as if you need to ram it down our throats. Why else would add in that little "mediocre players" jab? You ignore the inherent game design of SC2 which closes the skill gap in mechanics. Certainly the BW pros will still be great at figuring out strategy, but the nature of SC2 will close the gap between the S class BW pros and the rest. It seems pretty clear that your prediction that the skill gap in SC2 (once the BW pros switch over ) will mirror the current one in BW is incorrect. They're different games. They were mediocre in SC1, are you arguing they weren't? SC2 is a different game, but MVP is the best SC2 player and was the best SC1 player at the time he switched...it might be just coincidence as you suggest, but I think there is something else there.. we'll see when/if forgg starts smashing players in code S next season.. if that happens, you'll have to eat your words about all that 'closing the skill gap in mechanics', coz that sounds like a lot of bull to me right now -- we just don't know what is possible to do in-game right now only after a year. ForGG has been playing this game since Season 1, the number of games in all of his accounts (Fin, Apex, Raptor) are much higher than a lot of current sc2 pro. In fact, if the profile on sc2rank.com is correct, he has been playing roughly 8000 games since season 1 on all of his accounts. He is not some godlike BW pro who suddenly popped up and is going to dominating the scene in 2 months. He is good, everybody knows that, even current Korean sc2 pro know that, since they have been playing against him on ladder for a longest time. He's going to be top Korean pro for sure, everybody knows that. BUT that is because of his hard work, dedication, determination, not because he has BW tag in his profile. People like you who are selling him short are making me sad.
You don't think the fact that he is a former BW pro has any correlation to the fact he's played tons of games?
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Saw Sheth vsing Hydra on his stream the other day. Hydra won.
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On December 12 2011 11:44 LeFroMaGe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 11:39 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
HuK wins a 38-minute game on Tal'Darim and gets an ovation from SlayerS. If you don't mind me asking how do you know? And why a standing O?
Well, he's streaming right now with the webcam on... So I know because I watched the game. The game ended when Hydra/Losira/whoever the f it is GGed after losing Broods to Archon/vortex.
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On December 12 2011 11:44 LeFroMaGe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 11:39 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
HuK wins a 38-minute game on Tal'Darim and gets an ovation from SlayerS. If you don't mind me asking how do you know? And why a standing O?
Huk is streaming. And a very good game.
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Plexa: Which made him a good SC2 player, though? I'm not saying the BW-pro status doesn't help, because it totally does. But I'll bet my house that he's a much better player now than he was 8000 games ago. He's crushing because he's been in mass-game-mode for the last eight months, not because he switched over yesterday and is just that much better than everyone else.
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On December 12 2011 11:49 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Plexa: Which made him a good SC2 player, though? I'm not saying the BW-pro status doesn't help, because it totally does. But I'll bet my house that he's a much better player now than he was 8000 games ago. He's crushing because he's been in mass-game-mode for the last eight months, not because he switched over yesterday and is just that much better than everyone else.
why do you people think we believe that the top bw pros can pick up sc2 and beat a top pro without even KNOWING WHAT ALL THE UNITS DO?
would you rather him have less knowledge than his opponent? i don't understand your reasoning (because there is none). if pretty much any top bw pro switched over to sc2 and played the same # of games as the other top pros then i bet you the BW one would win.
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