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On November 02 2011 06:46 VTPerfect wrote:
hmm seems really really strange tbh, i didnt care about ladder season 3 and was down in the dumps at rank 77 while dde was consistantly top 8. me and dde played the same amount of games during the week (13) and i lost 5 of them yet im promoted and he isnt? It seems like ALOT of weak master players that i don't really think are at that level yet got promoted.
difference is, you played early enough when 200 wasn't filled and dde didnt get on till gm got filled.
apparently, previous seasons, GM spots were reserved for top 200 mmr, and only if someone below raised their MMR
above them they got to take away a spot from the reserved people. However this season, it seems that the cut off MMR was very low and so GM got filled very fast by people above probably top 400~ mmr or something.
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On November 02 2011 06:40 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 05:51 T.O.P. wrote:On November 02 2011 05:44 RastaMonsta wrote:
GM is a joke this season. They should at least open it up in the evening when most of the good players play. Alot of players are busy during the day with school/work. All the scubs who play in the morning for easier wins made it. example- Desrow and Deezer and hackers like JasonX. At least the hacker oGsNada poser and SGTofLuck arent in =] Who is this JasonX guy? How does he have such a good record? He's in my clan, RH. I'm not sure where the hacking accusations are coming from - I've never heard anyone insinuate that before.
He's definitely not a hacker. The only thing that's strange is that he's suddenly doing quite well on ladder and I remember playing him on ladder last season 3 times and 3-0ing him, but that's probably due to him playing random (?) instead of terran.
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On November 02 2011 06:44 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
weird it didn't reserve me a spot... I think it did last season so hopefully this will get fixed, seems like it just took the first people with a high-masters MMR and gave it to them...
I feel for you man, been watching you grind it out since reset and have a great record.
Hopefully blizzard take a look at it it and gets you back in there.
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On November 02 2011 06:48 eourcs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 06:40 FabledIntegral wrote:On November 02 2011 05:51 T.O.P. wrote:On November 02 2011 05:44 RastaMonsta wrote:
GM is a joke this season. They should at least open it up in the evening when most of the good players play. Alot of players are busy during the day with school/work. All the scubs who play in the morning for easier wins made it. example- Desrow and Deezer and hackers like JasonX. At least the hacker oGsNada poser and SGTofLuck arent in =] Who is this JasonX guy? How does he have such a good record? He's in my clan, RH. I'm not sure where the hacking accusations are coming from - I've never heard anyone insinuate that before. He's definitely not a hacker. The only thing that's strange is that he's suddenly doing quite well on ladder and I remember playing him on ladder last season 3 times and 3-0ing him, but that's probably due to him playing random (?) instead of terran.
Playing a lot on ladder will almost assuredly get you 50-50 though. At one point last season I was something like 181-181 overall, yet like rank 2 masters overall (not my division... overall). So yeah, you can't use win ratio to really judge, methinks.
Also, it's interesting playing him. I used to crush him pretty easily too, at least I felt, but lately he's gotten the better of me repeatedly. Streaks happen, who knows if my early beating him or him now beating me is just one of those.
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I don't want people thinking that just because an MMR cap exists that there are many players who have actually reached that cap. I would estimate that only about the top 20 or so GM players would ever reach the cap. This isn't an MMR cap issue, something else went wrong which allowed players to place directly into Grandmaster, which should never happen ever.
The way Grandmaster is supposed to work is that out of all the players who have bonus pools below 90 (and I believe if you aren't placed, you don't receive a bonus pool and therefore don't count among these players), it surveys whoever has the top 200 MMR moving average and creates an entry threshold at the #200 marker. Whoever gets beyond this point by winning a game after GM league opens, gets in.
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On November 02 2011 06:44 Gimix wrote:
It's just a little symbol by your name.
It doesn't mean anything.
That guy complaining that his team of 9 gms now only has 1 gm is missing the point. Your players aren't any worse than they were yesterday.
I care about GM not as an indication of my personal skill. It's a tool that can be used when approaching new teams, talking about strategy in fourms and just generally something a player can use to help reference their relative skill level.
I care nothing about the icon but everything I just mentioned means something to me.
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I think they just fucked up the slot reserve system. Instead of the taking the top 200 by MMR who have played a game since GM opened and reserving slots for the deserving, it took the first 200 masters to play in that time frame. Definitely need to reset the GM ladder in a few days.
I know where I am on the ladder, middling masters player and there are people who finished last season 3-400 points below me who happened to play a game and place GM. Obviously a bug.
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Why do people assume these people's ladder w/l ratios matter when MMR is the reason you are in top 200 or not, so someone has a - w/l ratio and is in GM, that doesn't mean they don't deserve or shouldn't be in GM. There were a lot of people last season who had top 200 MMR but couldn't get in so now some of those people are getting in ahead of others who 'deserve' to be there because they are playing more. It's kind of cool to see a lot of new names in GM, shows that people are working harder.
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On November 02 2011 07:02 Treva wrote:
Why do people assume these people's ladder w/l ratios matter when MMR is the reason you are in top 200 or not, so someone has a - w/l ratio and is in GM, that doesn't mean they don't deserve or shouldn't be in GM. There were a lot of people last season who had top 200 MMR but couldn't get in so now some of those people are getting in ahead of others who 'deserve' to be there because they are playing more. It's kind of cool to see a lot of new names in GM, shows that people are working harder.
I agree except the fact the amount of 0-1's that got in off season 3 MMR
and got rewarded for being AFK.
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On November 02 2011 07:07 IINcheezhead wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 07:02 Treva wrote:
Why do people assume these people's ladder w/l ratios matter when MMR is the reason you are in top 200 or not, so someone has a - w/l ratio and is in GM, that doesn't mean they don't deserve or shouldn't be in GM. There were a lot of people last season who had top 200 MMR but couldn't get in so now some of those people are getting in ahead of others who 'deserve' to be there because they are playing more. It's kind of cool to see a lot of new names in GM, shows that people are working harder. I agree except the fact the amount of 0-1's that got in off season 3 MMR and got rewarded for being AFK.
If they had enough MMR in season 3, then surely they're being rewarded for... winning in season 3?
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Yes it seems flawed but I doubt the pros care. The best players know ladder means nothing (especially NA GM). Only casuals probably care.
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People who say "who cares, GM is just a title" are both wrong and right. Yes, it's mostly just a title, but for obvious reasons it's something a lot of people care about. It's the same reason why people care so much about getting promoted, even if the actual promotion doesn't do anything to their skill level or the skill level of the people they play.
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On November 02 2011 07:09 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 07:07 IINcheezhead wrote:On November 02 2011 07:02 Treva wrote:
Why do people assume these people's ladder w/l ratios matter when MMR is the reason you are in top 200 or not, so someone has a - w/l ratio and is in GM, that doesn't mean they don't deserve or shouldn't be in GM. There were a lot of people last season who had top 200 MMR but couldn't get in so now some of those people are getting in ahead of others who 'deserve' to be there because they are playing more. It's kind of cool to see a lot of new names in GM, shows that people are working harder. I agree except the fact the amount of 0-1's that got in off season 3 MMR and got rewarded for being AFK. If they had enough MMR in season 3, then surely they're being rewarded for... winning in season 3?
If GM is supposed to be 'earned' then you should have to play more games than 1, to get back into it, or get into it in general. That's why it's season 4 not season 3.
The MMR and wins will come if you're a skilled enough player to be in GM.
People are getting rewarded for doing well in season 3 and afk'ing into season 4.
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On November 02 2011 07:09 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 07:07 IINcheezhead wrote:On November 02 2011 07:02 Treva wrote:
Why do people assume these people's ladder w/l ratios matter when MMR is the reason you are in top 200 or not, so someone has a - w/l ratio and is in GM, that doesn't mean they don't deserve or shouldn't be in GM. There were a lot of people last season who had top 200 MMR but couldn't get in so now some of those people are getting in ahead of others who 'deserve' to be there because they are playing more. It's kind of cool to see a lot of new names in GM, shows that people are working harder. I agree except the fact the amount of 0-1's that got in off season 3 MMR and got rewarded for being AFK. If they had enough MMR in season 3, then surely they're being rewarded for... winning in season 3?
except the problem is is they dont have the mmr to justify being gm in season 4. For example, taking the OP's example "some feel rain", he was 1440 points last season(compared to the plethora amount of people, myself included, who are hundreds of ponts above.)
Heck I just realized the reason I don't recognize a significant part of these people is because they're actually LOWER than me and I don't play them! These people, who win one game(and lose in many cases), get to be in gm EVEN with a lower mmr. Meanwhile me, who woke up at 4 am just so he could get extra time to play before school, and played for hours after school, and had the mmr to get in, was screwed over because I go to school. Sorry for raging but I feel it T_T
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On November 02 2011 07:02 Treva wrote:
Why do people assume these people's ladder w/l ratios matter when MMR is the reason you are in top 200 or not, so someone has a - w/l ratio and is in GM, that doesn't mean they don't deserve or shouldn't be in GM. There were a lot of people last season who had top 200 MMR but couldn't get in so now some of those people are getting in ahead of others who 'deserve' to be there because they are playing more. It's kind of cool to see a lot of new names in GM, shows that people are working harder.
You are correct that winrate doesn't matter to a certain extent, but the system is supposed to reserve spots. People like idra, DDE and ostojiy don't just suddenly drop their MMR from top of GM to below the cutoff for GM. That's why it's most likely broken.
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Not sure why GM is even a locked league, would have been more interesting if people actually moved up and down out of it once per week or so. Say the bottom 10% gets replaced each week with the top MMR outside GM.
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Does anyone here in the thread know how many hours it takes for EU gm to start? dont know if i should sleep or stay up^^
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On November 02 2011 07:22 ThisGS wrote:
Does anyone here in the thread know how many hours it takes for EU gm to start? dont know if i should sleep or stay up^^
Stay up and hit that 5 hour energy black label
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Just got home and GM is full... -.-
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On November 02 2011 07:17 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 07:09 Dfgj wrote:On November 02 2011 07:07 IINcheezhead wrote:On November 02 2011 07:02 Treva wrote:
Why do people assume these people's ladder w/l ratios matter when MMR is the reason you are in top 200 or not, so someone has a - w/l ratio and is in GM, that doesn't mean they don't deserve or shouldn't be in GM. There were a lot of people last season who had top 200 MMR but couldn't get in so now some of those people are getting in ahead of others who 'deserve' to be there because they are playing more. It's kind of cool to see a lot of new names in GM, shows that people are working harder. I agree except the fact the amount of 0-1's that got in off season 3 MMR and got rewarded for being AFK. If they had enough MMR in season 3, then surely they're being rewarded for... winning in season 3? except the problem is is they dont have the mmr to justify being gm in season 4. For example, taking the OP's example "some feel rain", he was 1440 points last season(compared to the plethora amount of people, myself included, who are hundreds of ponts above.) Heck I just realized the reason I don't recognize a significant part of these people is because they're actually LOWER than me and I don't play them! These people, who win one game(and lose in many cases), get to be in gm EVEN with a lower mmr. Meanwhile me, who woke up at 4 am just so he could get extra time to play before school, and played for hours after school, and had the mmr to get in, was screwed over because I go to school. Sorry for raging but I feel it T_T
Then the problem isn't them 'afking into season 4', it's the system not correctly accounting for people passing them. If you have enough MMR at the end of season 3 to still make top 200, you should certainly get back into GM after 1 game. If not, then you shouldn't - that's the issue.
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