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noxn
Profile Joined December 2010
65 Posts
November 01 2011 21:24 GMT
#121
Anyone who finds this surprising obviously didn't play WoW during the earlier arena seasons

When I saw they were changing the ladder length, the first thing I thought was "they are going to fuck up GM for sure".
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
November 01 2011 21:25 GMT
#122
On November 02 2011 06:14 Seeker wrote:
This what I'm most worried about:

Guy plays game
Guy realizes he got into GM
Guy realizes that he's now probably better than 90% of players out there in NA
Guy realizes he can now be cocky as shit and when ppl call him out for it he'll be like "I'm GM bitch, what are you?"
Guy starts giving advice to ppl when he shouldn't
Guy realizes his advice is shit but he doesn't care because ppl take it anyway because "he's GM"
Guy ruins SC2
Guy still remains anonymous
Guy is still GM

sigh.... fuck that guy


The GM debacle this season only means that amazing players are losing GM spots to slightly less amazing players. Fact is that you don't get to Masters by being bad. You might be bad compared to the pro's and other Master level players but you are still better than 80% of the ladder.

That or you're a cheater and a stream sniper.

If someone made it into GM that means they were Masters. I'd still take advice from a Master level player.
#2throwed
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37084 Posts
November 01 2011 21:31 GMT
#123
On November 02 2011 06:25 Klondikebar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 06:14 Seeker wrote:
This what I'm most worried about:

Guy plays game
Guy realizes he got into GM
Guy realizes that he's now probably better than 90% of players out there in NA
Guy realizes he can now be cocky as shit and when ppl call him out for it he'll be like "I'm GM bitch, what are you?"
Guy starts giving advice to ppl when he shouldn't
Guy realizes his advice is shit but he doesn't care because ppl take it anyway because "he's GM"
Guy ruins SC2
Guy still remains anonymous
Guy is still GM

sigh.... fuck that guy


The GM debacle this season only means that amazing players are losing GM spots to slightly less amazing players. Fact is that you don't get to Masters by being bad. You might be bad compared to the pro's and other Master level players but you are still better than 80% of the ladder.

That or you're a cheater and a stream sniper.

If someone made it into GM that means they were Masters. I'd still take advice from a Master level player.


Well..... I mean, yeah. Of course they didn't just "get in" to GM. Surely they played a lot to get there. All I'm saying is, I just don't want someone getting a cocky attitude because they're in GM. And I don't want someone shoving it in other's people's face just cause their GM.

GM is a privilege that shouldn't be abused, that's all I'm saying
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Aui_2000
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada435 Posts
November 01 2011 21:33 GMT
#124
On November 02 2011 06:24 Sfydjklm wrote:
People who think it accepts just anyone are sadly wrong.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/446161/1/Sasquatch/ladder/
and
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1330744/1/AGIANTSMURF/ladder/77207#current-rank
didnt get in even tho they played during that half an hour and sasquatch even was GM last season.
So it's more broken then it is easy.


Do you think that a 52% gm/50% masters player should have made GM in a non-broken system? They probably simply had lower mmr's than all the current people in GM.
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cheeseheadlogic
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States322 Posts
November 01 2011 21:33 GMT
#125
Just an idea
Blizzard should at least implicate a system where you have to play a minimum number of games at reset before even getting considered back into GM. Same for players trying to get in.
At that point it would force those 0-1 players to have the chance to tank their rating and give opportunity to others.

At that point I'm totally fine for example desrow having two accounts. If he's worked his ass off on two accounts and grinded it out at reset, then more power to him.

That should help the whole first 200 with a near enough MMR to get in, that played.

Reseting MMR or opening 500 slots is obnoxious.
epik
Ryze
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada234 Posts
November 01 2011 21:35 GMT
#126
i dont think its an error i think its just some people playing ladder more than others....
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Marcus420
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1923 Posts
November 01 2011 21:39 GMT
#127
There is a girl in GM, I WANT TOO MARRY HER LOL

"Miishelle"
ronpaul012
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
November 01 2011 21:39 GMT
#128
On November 02 2011 06:35 Ryze wrote:
i dont think its an error i think its just some people playing ladder more than others....


the system isn't designed to account for the amount of ladder games being played. It's designed to base it off of mmr. So because somebody else has more wins than idra doesn't mean that the system believes they're a better player. The whole purpose of mmr is to avoid basing skill off of total wins.
I'm a gooner.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
November 01 2011 21:40 GMT
#129
On November 02 2011 06:33 Validity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 06:24 Sfydjklm wrote:
People who think it accepts just anyone are sadly wrong.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/446161/1/Sasquatch/ladder/
and
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1330744/1/AGIANTSMURF/ladder/77207#current-rank
didnt get in even tho they played during that half an hour and sasquatch even was GM last season.
So it's more broken then it is easy.


Do you think that a 52% gm/50% masters player should have made GM in a non-broken system? They probably simply had lower mmr's than all the current people in GM.

Blizzard thinks they shouldve.
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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
November 01 2011 21:40 GMT
#130
On November 02 2011 05:51 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 05:44 RastaMonsta wrote:
GM is a joke this season. They should at least open it up in the evening when most of the good players play. Alot of players are busy during the day with school/work. All the scubs who play in the morning for easier wins made it. example- Desrow and Deezer and hackers like JasonX. At least the hacker oGsNada poser and SGTofLuck arent in =]

Who is this JasonX guy? How does he have such a good record?


He's in my clan, RH. I'm not sure where the hacking accusations are coming from - I've never heard anyone insinuate that before.
Papulatus
Profile Joined July 2010
United States669 Posts
November 01 2011 21:40 GMT
#131
The GM system is terrible and should be scrapped.

I can't comprehend why its even in the game...
4 Corners in a day.
TKHawkins
Profile Joined October 2011
United States103 Posts
November 01 2011 21:40 GMT
#132
On November 02 2011 06:31 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 06:25 Klondikebar wrote:
On November 02 2011 06:14 Seeker wrote:
This what I'm most worried about:

Guy plays game
Guy realizes he got into GM
Guy realizes that he's now probably better than 90% of players out there in NA
Guy realizes he can now be cocky as shit and when ppl call him out for it he'll be like "I'm GM bitch, what are you?"
Guy starts giving advice to ppl when he shouldn't
Guy realizes his advice is shit but he doesn't care because ppl take it anyway because "he's GM"
Guy ruins SC2
Guy still remains anonymous
Guy is still GM

sigh.... fuck that guy


The GM debacle this season only means that amazing players are losing GM spots to slightly less amazing players. Fact is that you don't get to Masters by being bad. You might be bad compared to the pro's and other Master level players but you are still better than 80% of the ladder.

That or you're a cheater and a stream sniper.

If someone made it into GM that means they were Masters. I'd still take advice from a Master level player.


Well..... I mean, yeah. Of course they didn't just "get in" to GM. Surely they played a lot to get there. All I'm saying is, I just don't want someone getting a cocky attitude because they're in GM. And I don't want someone shoving it in other's people's face just cause their GM.

GM is a privilege that shouldn't be abused, that's all I'm saying


People who will be cocky jerks in GMs would have been cocky jerks in Masters. Heck, I've seen Gold league players smack talking silver leaguers because they are "rank 1 gold". What actual rank somebody is has no effect on whether or not they are cocky.
monx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1400 Posts
November 01 2011 21:42 GMT
#133
On November 02 2011 06:35 Ryze wrote:
i dont think its an error i think its just some people playing ladder more than others....


Rofl you say that cause you got promoted? Anyway that theory doesn't stand. 200 people were promoted because they played this morning/early afternoon. Normally it takes like 2-3 days to fill up GM (past seasons) because system had locked up places for some players (i think)
@ggmonx
StrinterN
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark531 Posts
November 01 2011 21:43 GMT
#134
its seems pretty broken, hopefully blizzard will fix this ASAP!
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Gimix
Profile Joined October 2010
United States67 Posts
November 01 2011 21:44 GMT
#135
It's just a little symbol by your name.

It doesn't mean anything.

That guy complaining that his team of 9 gms now only has 1 gm is missing the point. Your players aren't any worse than they were yesterday.

ThE_OsToJiY
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada1167 Posts
November 01 2011 21:44 GMT
#136
weird it didn't reserve me a spot... I think it did last season so hopefully this will get fixed, seems like it just took the first people with a high-masters MMR and gave it to them...
@ostojiy
South
Profile Joined November 2010
80 Posts
November 01 2011 21:45 GMT
#137
Meh, the entire concept is flawed because it's not fluid. I personally don't think there should even be a separate GrandMaster league. They should just remain in their respective master leagues and have some type of flag set when they're in the Top 200 MMR with some penalty for bonus pool accumulation. There should be a separate view like there is now where you can list them relative to each other so noobs can drool, but it shouldn't be an entirely different league, imo. Could easily make them stand out in their current league as well. The logistics are too troublesome and it becomes far too stagnant.
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-01 21:47:08
November 01 2011 21:46 GMT
#138
On November 02 2011 06:31 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 06:25 Klondikebar wrote:
On November 02 2011 06:14 Seeker wrote:
This what I'm most worried about:

Guy plays game
Guy realizes he got into GM
Guy realizes that he's now probably better than 90% of players out there in NA
Guy realizes he can now be cocky as shit and when ppl call him out for it he'll be like "I'm GM bitch, what are you?"
Guy starts giving advice to ppl when he shouldn't
Guy realizes his advice is shit but he doesn't care because ppl take it anyway because "he's GM"
Guy ruins SC2
Guy still remains anonymous
Guy is still GM

sigh.... fuck that guy


The GM debacle this season only means that amazing players are losing GM spots to slightly less amazing players. Fact is that you don't get to Masters by being bad. You might be bad compared to the pro's and other Master level players but you are still better than 80% of the ladder.

That or you're a cheater and a stream sniper.

If someone made it into GM that means they were Masters. I'd still take advice from a Master level player.


Well..... I mean, yeah. Of course they didn't just "get in" to GM. Surely they played a lot to get there. All I'm saying is, I just don't want someone getting a cocky attitude because they're in GM. And I don't want someone shoving it in other's people's face just cause their GM.

GM is a privilege that shouldn't be abused, that's all I'm saying


They've earned the cocky attitude though. I know it sucks when players are d-bags but if they're good players, they get to be d-bags.

They do run the risk of pissing off an even better player though which is why I suppose they might not want to talk too much smack. GM doesn't mean a whole lot when a pro is calling you bad.

But if a GM wants to talk smack about my platinum league, they've kinda earned the right to do it. The most I can do is walk away and come back later. Or get better than them so I can smack them myself when they get mouthy.
#2throwed
VTPerfect
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States487 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-01 21:52:49
November 01 2011 21:46 GMT
#139
hmm seems really really strange tbh, i didnt care about ladder season 3 and was down in the dumps at rank 77 while dde was consistantly top 8. me and dde played the same amount of games during the week (13) and i lost 5 of them yet im promoted and he isnt? It seems like ALOT of weak master players that i don't really think are at that level yet got promoted.

Edit: consistently top 1
Smoodish
Profile Joined April 2011
United States95 Posts
November 01 2011 21:46 GMT
#140
well honestly, im still hoping that they do something to fix this now. If they do try to reset it, then they should do it in like two days or something, or on the weekend, so that those who are actually skilled have enough time to ladder.
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