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thepuppyassassin
Profile Joined April 2011
900 Posts
October 28 2011 22:08 GMT
#1321
I don't understand all these posts about SC2 being boring. That gi-normous monster of a crowd at Blizzcon wasn't exactly yawning during the GSL finals...
lFrost
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States295 Posts
October 28 2011 22:09 GMT
#1322
On October 29 2011 07:07 Nyovne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 07:03 Megaliskuu wrote:
On October 29 2011 06:37 aTnClouD wrote:
i wonder if they can handle the frustration of losing to bad players time after time since sc2 is designed so people are able to win against much better player with very little effort and some luck. many scbw pros couldn't translate well to sc2 for this reason and i think not every single one of them will like the game enough to dominate the scene.


Finally someone smart in this thread.

Fully agreed, sadly this was something I already concluded in my early SC2 review (which is still available somewhere on this site http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=75527) after playing an early version of SC2 back at WWI Paris over three years ago.

The lack of potential player differential in style and skilllevel seems to be severely hindering for the game as an Esport.


yes exactly, the best of bw players might not dominate in sc2 because sc2 simply does not allow good players to differentiate themselves enough from inferior players. mostly due to how the game ai is run and its interface in comparison to bw
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
October 28 2011 22:09 GMT
#1323
The unreal lack of respect most new SC2 fans give Brood War is disgusting in this thread.

The overwhelming elitism (which ALWAYS has been there since the dawn of time) BW Fans give out is just as disgusting as well.



One thing that pisses me off more than anything from SC2 fans is the whole "hurrr BW sprites and game is just graphically ugly as fuck" and "You can't even run HD on BW!" You guys are so damn spoiled, jesus christ. Back in my days we couldn't even watch BroodWar in it's default resolution because it didnt fucking exist back then. We had to watch "Daum Potplayer Slideshow" and I can tell you now we were fucking grateful to even get daum slideshow running. Have some respect for your fellow bw peers.

And BW fans need to seriously stop feeding the damn trolls. Have an open mind for fucks sake. Be happy your favorite team and or favorite player will be playing for you on TV. We have a chance for players like Flash/Bisu/JD/Stork to continue and pursue their career in SC2 which would be awesome. Afterall isn't that what we all want in the end?
dats racist
Vysage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States117 Posts
October 28 2011 22:10 GMT
#1324
Please don't let the thread get closed because of a few fools. The BW vs SC2 discussion is highly relevant to this topic, regardless of the trolls. If the BW era is coming to a close, you can't blame people for getting frustrated. I don't think a discussion of the future of SC2, its difference with BW, and the effect of current BW pros transitioning over is necessarily a bad thing. It's quite evident that people are knowledge-less in some of these topics and this discussion will hopefully enlighten them.
Apus
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand74 Posts
October 28 2011 22:12 GMT
#1325
On October 29 2011 07:08 thepuppyassassin wrote:
I don't understand all these posts about SC2 being boring. That gi-normous monster of a crowd at Blizzcon wasn't exactly yawning during the GSL finals...


I think it probably has something to do with the fact that SC2 is still quite a young game when compared to BW. BW has had a lot of time to be 'figured out', so the games are typically of a higher quality than what you might find in your average SC2 game.

Personally, I think once there's a greater saturation of highly skilled players in SC2, we'll find the game being figured out a lot faster than it was in BW. HoTS will likely stunt that, though.
thepuppyassassin
Profile Joined April 2011
900 Posts
October 28 2011 22:12 GMT
#1326
On October 29 2011 07:09 MrHoon wrote:
The unreal lack of respect most new SC2 fans give Brood War is disgusting in this thread.

The overwhelming elitism (which ALWAYS has been there since the dawn of time) BW Fans give out is just as disgusting as well.



One thing that pisses me off more than anything from SC2 fans is the whole "hurrr BW sprites and game is just graphically ugly as fuck" and "You can't even run HD on BW!" You guys are so damn spoiled, jesus christ. Back in my days we couldn't even watch BroodWar in it's default resolution because it didnt fucking exist back then. We had to watch "Daum Potplayer Slideshow" and I can tell you now we were fucking grateful to even get daum slideshow running. Have some respect for your fellow bw peers.

And BW fans need to seriously stop feeding the damn trolls. Have an open mind for fucks sake. Be happy your favorite team and or favorite player will be playing for you on TV. We have a chance for players like Flash/Bisu/JD/Stork to continue and pursue their career in SC2 which would be awesome. Afterall isn't that what we all want in the end?


Yes daddy!~~~

Seriously though... I don't think anyone said those things...
Loki57
Profile Joined February 2011
United States292 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 22:14:23
October 28 2011 22:13 GMT
#1327
On October 29 2011 07:09 MrHoon wrote:
The unreal lack of respect most new SC2 fans give Brood War is disgusting in this thread.

The overwhelming elitism (which ALWAYS has been there since the dawn of time) BW Fans give out is just as disgusting as well.

This is a pretty good summary of whats been going on in here. The SC2 players are taking it to an extreme against BW saying that its a dying game etc. while the BW players are taking it to an extreme in saying that the game is too dumbed down etc. What we end up with is a shit-storm/circle-jerk of opinions against opinions like we see in this thread ;/
"Dedication without talent is a daydream. Talent without dedication is a nightmare."
Loki57
Profile Joined February 2011
United States292 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 22:14:12
October 28 2011 22:13 GMT
#1328
Double post >____<
"Dedication without talent is a daydream. Talent without dedication is a nightmare."
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 28 2011 22:14 GMT
#1329
Please tell em they are not doing this at the expense of BroodWar practice >.<
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 22:19:21
October 28 2011 22:15 GMT
#1330
Can of sad but more happy about this. The only sad part of this is that sc2 has "friendly" mechanics so it is more volatile and people put crazy expectations on top bw players for a game like sc2.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
October 28 2011 22:15 GMT
#1331
On October 29 2011 07:09 lFrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 07:07 Nyovne wrote:
On October 29 2011 07:03 Megaliskuu wrote:
On October 29 2011 06:37 aTnClouD wrote:
i wonder if they can handle the frustration of losing to bad players time after time since sc2 is designed so people are able to win against much better player with very little effort and some luck. many scbw pros couldn't translate well to sc2 for this reason and i think not every single one of them will like the game enough to dominate the scene.


Finally someone smart in this thread.

Fully agreed, sadly this was something I already concluded in my early SC2 review (which is still available somewhere on this site http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=75527) after playing an early version of SC2 back at WWI Paris over three years ago.

The lack of potential player differential in style and skilllevel seems to be severely hindering for the game as an Esport.


yes exactly, the best of bw players might not dominate in sc2 because sc2 simply does not allow good players to differentiate themselves enough from inferior players. mostly due to how the game ai is run and its interface in comparison to bw


Who knows?, in 10 years from now we'll have a better picture. If there is any player that will completely switch the current metagame it will necessarily be a top BW pro... not cuz he's talented or shit like that .. all these players at the top are, but because top BW pros know how to train to win.
Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
October 28 2011 22:16 GMT
#1332
Cant want to see the Broodwar Protoss play SC2 Protoss. Oh god it will be amazing.
Jaedong, sOs, avilo, MaSa, Oprah
Laforge
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark33 Posts
October 28 2011 22:18 GMT
#1333
I don't play BW or SC2. But as a pure spectator sport, SC2 are still far from BW.
There are some good SC2 games but the average entertainment is at a lower level than BW.

We can only hope that if all the proteam start playing SC2 the game will be better to watch.

But the fundamental problem in S2, like to many drone bringing back to little mineral, so harassment don't make that much sense, the big army vs. big army without the same entertainment in the early game, etc.wWill still be there and SC2 will be less exciting to watch.

I really hope this will turn out great but I will miss broadwar everyday
Starcraft and Star Trek
StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
October 28 2011 22:20 GMT
#1334
This is what happens when two equally elitist group battle it out. Who will win????

SC2 fans of course. BW fans are dying and they're in their Alamo.

User was temp banned for this post.
"Even gophers love Starcraft" - Tasteless. || Davichi | IU <3
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
October 28 2011 22:20 GMT
#1335
I'm just a little disappointed, coming into TL as an sc2 fan and finding bw over the course of this year was a really cool thing (and while i like both, sc2's hype really can't compare...). bw has all of the "real sport" qualities I enjoy, with the teams and their focus on SPL, ace players, everyone taking games off each other, and oh my god the OSLs . But at the same time sc2 is that game that I can play and take part in even though i'm not that good, that's reachable to me (via mlg, blizzcon). and to imagine them both not together is terrifying. its not the same watching bw via the only way possible (nanashin/GTR streams in the middle of the night <3) as it is watching sc2 live. i think i'll keep watching regardless though. long live ESPORTS?

:D
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
awesomo0O
Profile Joined November 2010
Tuvalu59 Posts
October 28 2011 22:21 GMT
#1336
Is slasher a reliable source?
Cyrox
Profile Joined October 2007
Sweden147 Posts
October 28 2011 22:22 GMT
#1337
When SC2 was released I did everything to get the beta.

Got it, played 500 games.
Never touched it again. How could I ? Have been playing BW for such a long time. SC2 would never be close to that perfection.

Barely watched any SC2. Still watch some BW and play occationally.
No offense to anyone but SC2 is Activision making money on eSports: the formula: the game.

Play what you want but if you think SC2 is real Starcraft, think again.

Peace out!

jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 22:26:39
October 28 2011 22:22 GMT
#1338
On October 29 2011 07:16 Apollo_Shards wrote:
Cant want to see the Broodwar Protoss play SC2 Protoss. Oh god it will be amazing.


i wonder what mantoss reach would think of new protoss.

bw protoss is like a guerrilla and sc2 protoss is like a monkey with wings. only my opinion of course.
(brute force to gimmicky spells)

as for the future of sc2, i just hope blizzard try to change the core of the game like unit clumping and in depth micro potential battles (marine vs bane good, stalker vs marauder bad) instead of focusing on cool and flashy stuff for the viewers. you know, like how poeple complain transformers is horrible and is just an action flick...thats kind of how many of long time bw players feel about sc2.

that way bw players can transition to sc2 along with all its fan base.
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
vojnik
Profile Joined October 2010
Macedonia923 Posts
October 28 2011 22:23 GMT
#1339
i agree with many people when they say BW is a lot harder game to master and being champion in BW feels like a way bigger achievement than in SC2 thus far, but be a bit objective for a moment, SC2 has evolved a lot in one year, i remember earlier seasons where cheese play and abusive strats were WAAY more common than what we see now, we have lot more longer and quality games as of late, so i can only conclude that it will get better and better and i really hope that the BW pros that will switch to sc2 add more diversity to this game, i sure hope not all pros switch tho as well...
For the swarm!
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
October 28 2011 22:26 GMT
#1340
On October 29 2011 06:55 lFrost wrote:
yeah maybe idra is a bad example, but my point is that you will see no-namers take games off of some of the best in sc2's current state. that does not happen in bw.

and to the previous guy yes every game has luck but sc2 is MORE luck dependent compared to bw

iirc there was a bnet attack where jaedong lost against a high level clan member (non-progamer) and was visibly pissed

okay it was bnet and there was lag so he couldn't muta micro but still

didn't flash lose to lomo and ssak to get eliminated from msl RO32?

i wouldn't know if the equivalent happens in sc2 because i don't watch sc2
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