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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
November 03 2011 16:39 GMT
#3261
On November 03 2011 22:14 N.geNuity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2011 21:52 villageidiot wrote:
On November 03 2011 21:51 Sawamura wrote:
On November 03 2011 21:46 villageidiot wrote:
On November 03 2011 21:38 Grettin wrote:
On November 03 2011 21:35 villageidiot wrote:
On November 03 2011 21:31 Keone wrote:
Hydra, Best, Bisu, Fantasy, and possibly Flash switching to SC2?

This is sad. I'm going to go cry.

</3


But they will be able to earn more money and this is all that matters. SC2 is a gold mine in my opinion.


Right now they probably WOULDN'T earn more money in SC2 compared to broodwar. Their salaries are even bigger than two-or-three of the biggest tournaments in SC2 combined (1st place $$). Not to mention how tough it would be to compete if all the top pros would switch to SC2, it's already tough to compete with Flash in Broodwar.

That would completely depend how much salary they would be getting to play SC2.



There will be no MSL and players aren't focusing on BW like they used to. Their game will deteriorate and some nonames might win OSL over these guys. Also I believe that new TL.net community will be throwing money to them like they always do.


You think without the msl the players will slack off huh ??? , proleague games practice regimes are very hectic , not only players have to practice every matchup on that single map they are going to be sent out , they have to create their own build orders and try out new strategy .

No names you got to be kidding me , my prediction these year osl its everyone's game anyone in the top 10 has the opportunity to win the osl . No name I beg to differ.


Not my point. They are playing two games instead of one...


I don't see why there is any reason to think a switch would come. Except for hyvaa and midas, most of the accounts linked in the OP are like ~45-35 WL on ladder.

80-100 games or so is not a "switch" to sc2. It's casual playing, just to familiarize with the game in case it gets implemented in proleague (which seems likely; exactly how it will be is up in the air).

I guess someone could go through their match history, but considering bw has been off for a month (with proleague being off since mid-august), that's not any indication of a serious switch.

Point is, they're not "playing two games instead of one". It's more of a casually mingling with sc2, while either probably relaxing (sc2 can be a form of relaxation) and are still training bw as well.

edit- to further clarify, I know the new sc2 season started but most of those account weren't any more active in september (some being nonexistent). So we're essentially looking at progamers--who play games all day long and are used to work schedules of 12 hrs/day--playing only a casual amount. It's not a split of their time; they're just having a bit of a lull until proleague begins again.



What you don't know is how many custom games they've played.
VegaNZ
Profile Joined August 2011
New Zealand317 Posts
November 03 2011 16:49 GMT
#3262
On November 04 2011 01:33 LORDRIOD wrote:
Let someone translate this stuff plz ;-)

http://m.dcinside.com/view.php?id=starcraft2&no=2429461&page=1

http://bit.ly/uw8jGs




Is this some kind of annoucement of an annoucement thing EG style? I see mention of Aria, and mention of Code A.

Hopefully someone with some real translation skills helps us out
villageidiot
Profile Joined May 2009
353 Posts
November 03 2011 16:50 GMT
#3263
On November 04 2011 01:33 LORDRIOD wrote:
Let someone translate this stuff plz ;-)

http://m.dcinside.com/view.php?id=starcraft2&no=2429461&page=1

http://bit.ly/uw8jGs




He's some random scrub
Good night sour prince. You won't be missed!
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 03 2011 16:52 GMT
#3264
On November 04 2011 01:17 ULTRAmarine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 00:38 Sawamura wrote:
On November 04 2011 00:29 ULTRAmarine wrote:
i acknowledge that this is a step towards BW's death which is sad but its probably going to be a slow process, not roflol mass switch uninstall bw, because of industry sizes etc.

Much anticipation for the BW pros possible effects on sc2. I dont think theyre going to kill much anything immediately but their mechanics and training habits must pay off.

final impression is somewhat happy, that this will be a massive injection of genius and skill into a game, it will probably be a great improvement. whereas BW is so "perfected" that such improvements are hardly possible any more, not on the same level.


From your perspective Bw has been figured out,dull and old and if that is the case Jangbi wouldn't have win the 2011 Jin Air Osl, the chills I have when i watch my friends did a proxy gate dt behind the terran base was crazy in last year wcg 2010 . Bw isn't going to die to me , It lives within my mind and soul, even if it does I will still fire up my fpvods I downloaded and drink to it saying hey old buddy it's me again .

Final impression that is nothing has been announced that the proleague will totally convert in to sc2 and I am happy with that .


"figured out, dull and old" insinuated no such thing.


Coming from you who said the game is already perfect and cannot be improved . It is like you said Figured out pronto.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
bebe01
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)512 Posts
November 03 2011 19:03 GMT
#3265
Gisado says Aria might be a former estro player named artofaria.. But hes not sure. Looks like aria is some random player not a current pro.
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 19:22:13
November 03 2011 19:16 GMT
#3266
On November 04 2011 01:39 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2011 22:14 N.geNuity wrote:
On November 03 2011 21:52 villageidiot wrote:
On November 03 2011 21:51 Sawamura wrote:
On November 03 2011 21:46 villageidiot wrote:
On November 03 2011 21:38 Grettin wrote:
On November 03 2011 21:35 villageidiot wrote:
On November 03 2011 21:31 Keone wrote:
Hydra, Best, Bisu, Fantasy, and possibly Flash switching to SC2?

This is sad. I'm going to go cry.

</3


But they will be able to earn more money and this is all that matters. SC2 is a gold mine in my opinion.


Right now they probably WOULDN'T earn more money in SC2 compared to broodwar. Their salaries are even bigger than two-or-three of the biggest tournaments in SC2 combined (1st place $$). Not to mention how tough it would be to compete if all the top pros would switch to SC2, it's already tough to compete with Flash in Broodwar.

That would completely depend how much salary they would be getting to play SC2.



There will be no MSL and players aren't focusing on BW like they used to. Their game will deteriorate and some nonames might win OSL over these guys. Also I believe that new TL.net community will be throwing money to them like they always do.


You think without the msl the players will slack off huh ??? , proleague games practice regimes are very hectic , not only players have to practice every matchup on that single map they are going to be sent out , they have to create their own build orders and try out new strategy .

No names you got to be kidding me , my prediction these year osl its everyone's game anyone in the top 10 has the opportunity to win the osl . No name I beg to differ.


Not my point. They are playing two games instead of one...


I don't see why there is any reason to think a switch would come. Except for hyvaa and midas, most of the accounts linked in the OP are like ~45-35 WL on ladder.

80-100 games or so is not a "switch" to sc2. It's casual playing, just to familiarize with the game in case it gets implemented in proleague (which seems likely; exactly how it will be is up in the air).

I guess someone could go through their match history, but considering bw has been off for a month (with proleague being off since mid-august), that's not any indication of a serious switch.

Point is, they're not "playing two games instead of one". It's more of a casually mingling with sc2, while either probably relaxing (sc2 can be a form of relaxation) and are still training bw as well.

edit- to further clarify, I know the new sc2 season started but most of those account weren't any more active in september (some being nonexistent). So we're essentially looking at progamers--who play games all day long and are used to work schedules of 12 hrs/day--playing only a casual amount. It's not a split of their time; they're just having a bit of a lull until proleague begins again.



What you don't know is how many custom games they've played.


True, but looking at "last 25 matches" on sc2ranks for the accounts listed on OP, most of it is ladder games. Someone can try to find their full profile or whatever through bnet, but for instance with the links in OP (I see): last has 1 game custom; midas has 8 (highest of the accounts I see, but I'm fairly sure the website is wrong/not accurate info as it lists matches from 10/19 as latest 25 games played); hyvaa has all ladder; hero has all ladder; frotoss (aka paralyze) has all ladder; movie has all ladder; bogus has 2 custom games on 10/31.

Pretty much all of them were active yesterday according to that (a lot playing like 15-20 games), so that's some very recent activity. But if sc2ranks is correct (which it seems to be a pretty bad website at times for accurate data), it does list custom games but those accounts are almost all ladder.

now ofc, if bw teams are in fact taking it 100% seriously they may have some smurf accounts that are used for custom games. BW teams have more of a history of in-house training and not sharing replays and such, which is much more public in sc2.

edit- oh, paralyze's account also seems to have not so accurate info; other ones may be accurate as far as I can tell.
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
riverkim09
Profile Joined November 2010
United States291 Posts
November 03 2011 19:17 GMT
#3267
According insider sources (I'm Korean) Fantasy topped the korean ladder like twice already
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 19:30:47
November 03 2011 19:30 GMT
#3268
On November 04 2011 04:17 riverkim09 wrote:
According insider sources (I'm Korean) Fantasy topped the korean ladder like twice already


Fantasy will be the best SC2 player if he switched. The guy's style is made for SC2. He's basically MMA on steroids.
riverkim09
Profile Joined November 2010
United States291 Posts
November 03 2011 19:31 GMT
#3269
On November 04 2011 04:30 zyzq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 04:17 riverkim09 wrote:
According insider sources (I'm Korean) Fantasy topped the korean ladder like twice already


Fantasy will be the best SC2 player if he switched. The guy's style is made for SC2. He's basically MMA on steroids.


That's funny since MMA was Fantasy's bitch when they were in SKT together. Now MMA thinks he's some big shit. LOL
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
November 03 2011 19:32 GMT
#3270
Well maybe he got jealous because boxer thinks MMA is a better son.
sup son.

Man, it's so hard to be the emperor's sons.
riverkim09
Profile Joined November 2010
United States291 Posts
November 03 2011 19:34 GMT
#3271
On November 04 2011 04:32 canikizu wrote:
Well maybe he got jealous because boxer thinks MMA is a better son.
sup son.

Man, it's so hard to be the emperor's sons.


LOL the moment Fantasy joins Slayers, MMA isn't gonna be Boxer's favorite son anymore. Fantasy is naturally better than MMA i feel like
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
November 03 2011 19:34 GMT
#3272
On November 04 2011 04:34 riverkim09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 04:32 canikizu wrote:
Well maybe he got jealous because boxer thinks MMA is a better son.
sup son.

Man, it's so hard to be the emperor's sons.


LOL the moment Fantasy joins Slayers, MMA isn't gonna be Boxer's favorite son anymore. Fantasy is naturally better than MMA i feel like


Ryung must feel so sad, he's already the forgotten son. If Fantasy steps in.......
riverkim09
Profile Joined November 2010
United States291 Posts
November 03 2011 19:37 GMT
#3273
On November 04 2011 04:34 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 04:34 riverkim09 wrote:
On November 04 2011 04:32 canikizu wrote:
Well maybe he got jealous because boxer thinks MMA is a better son.
sup son.

Man, it's so hard to be the emperor's sons.


LOL the moment Fantasy joins Slayers, MMA isn't gonna be Boxer's favorite son anymore. Fantasy is naturally better than MMA i feel like


Ryung must feel so sad, he's already the forgotten son. If Fantasy steps in.......


From what I heard Ryung is a pretty cool kid though. I'm sure Fantasy will let Ryung be his bitch
sopas
Profile Joined July 2011
509 Posts
November 03 2011 19:39 GMT
#3274
On November 04 2011 04:31 riverkim09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 04:30 zyzq wrote:
On November 04 2011 04:17 riverkim09 wrote:
According insider sources (I'm Korean) Fantasy topped the korean ladder like twice already


Fantasy will be the best SC2 player if he switched. The guy's style is made for SC2. He's basically MMA on steroids.


That's funny since MMA was Fantasy's bitch when they were in SKT together. Now MMA thinks he's some big shit. LOL

i don't recall mma acting pompous.
only humble actually.
riverkim09
Profile Joined November 2010
United States291 Posts
November 03 2011 19:40 GMT
#3275
On November 04 2011 04:39 sopas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 04:31 riverkim09 wrote:
On November 04 2011 04:30 zyzq wrote:
On November 04 2011 04:17 riverkim09 wrote:
According insider sources (I'm Korean) Fantasy topped the korean ladder like twice already


Fantasy will be the best SC2 player if he switched. The guy's style is made for SC2. He's basically MMA on steroids.


That's funny since MMA was Fantasy's bitch when they were in SKT together. Now MMA thinks he's some big shit. LOL

i don't recall mma acting pompous.
only humble actually.


On TV MMA is pretty humble and quiet. He's not like that IRL though. Not saying he's cocky and arrogant but he's self-assertive and confident.
PhoenixDark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States286 Posts
November 03 2011 19:44 GMT
#3276
On November 04 2011 04:40 riverkim09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 04:39 sopas wrote:
On November 04 2011 04:31 riverkim09 wrote:
On November 04 2011 04:30 zyzq wrote:
On November 04 2011 04:17 riverkim09 wrote:
According insider sources (I'm Korean) Fantasy topped the korean ladder like twice already


Fantasy will be the best SC2 player if he switched. The guy's style is made for SC2. He's basically MMA on steroids.


That's funny since MMA was Fantasy's bitch when they were in SKT together. Now MMA thinks he's some big shit. LOL

i don't recall mma acting pompous.
only humble actually.


On TV MMA is pretty humble and quiet. He's not like that IRL though. Not saying he's cocky and arrogant but he's self-assertive and confident.


As he should be considering he's a top 10 SC2 player. He's not playing BW right now, it's completely irrelevant to his current form in a different game so why bring it up.

I'll believe all these reports when I actually see Flash and co. play. Until then, meh
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=435469
kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
November 03 2011 19:45 GMT
#3277
On November 04 2011 04:34 riverkim09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 04:32 canikizu wrote:
Well maybe he got jealous because boxer thinks MMA is a better son.
sup son.

Man, it's so hard to be the emperor's sons.


LOL the moment Fantasy joins Slayers, MMA isn't gonna be Boxer's favorite son anymore. Fantasy is naturally better than MMA i feel like


Fantasy's GG timing is also naturally better than MMA's
riverkim09
Profile Joined November 2010
United States291 Posts
November 03 2011 19:46 GMT
#3278
On November 04 2011 04:44 PhoenixDark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 04:40 riverkim09 wrote:
On November 04 2011 04:39 sopas wrote:
On November 04 2011 04:31 riverkim09 wrote:
On November 04 2011 04:30 zyzq wrote:
On November 04 2011 04:17 riverkim09 wrote:
According insider sources (I'm Korean) Fantasy topped the korean ladder like twice already


Fantasy will be the best SC2 player if he switched. The guy's style is made for SC2. He's basically MMA on steroids.


That's funny since MMA was Fantasy's bitch when they were in SKT together. Now MMA thinks he's some big shit. LOL

i don't recall mma acting pompous.
only humble actually.


On TV MMA is pretty humble and quiet. He's not like that IRL though. Not saying he's cocky and arrogant but he's self-assertive and confident.


As he should be considering he's a top 10 SC2 player. He's not playing BW right now, it's completely irrelevant to his current form in a different game so why bring it up.

I'll believe all these reports when I actually see Flash and co. play. Until then, meh


Well, I've seen those guys play. (Not Flash though T_T ) Its definitely not meh... TBH i can't see MMA being on top for very long. His style is inconsistent and gimmicky
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
November 03 2011 19:48 GMT
#3279
Food5 to dominate next gsl.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
November 03 2011 19:51 GMT
#3280
On November 04 2011 04:48 puppykiller wrote:
Food5 to dominate next gsl.


That guy and afrotoss; but then they weren't around and all the fun and hype stopped.
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