EPTOn November 02 2011 17:04 corumjhaelen wrote:
If we're looking for a fast and not-so-smart zerg, I'd suggest Hyuk.
If we're looking for a fast and not-so-smart zerg, I'd suggest Hyuk.
yeah Hyuk is known for high APM spam. Also he's SKT1's captain.
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Nazza
Australia1654 Posts
yeah Hyuk is known for high APM spam. Also he's SKT1's captain. | ||
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trias_e
United States520 Posts
On November 02 2011 13:00 Sawamura wrote: If you watch the fpvods he doesn't have high apm like many zerg pro's have currently , so he counters that with having great management , having great eco's , building units at each hatchery waiting for his enemies to make his moves . If you watch carefully in the fpvod (If you did ) . He knows he has the advantage and he has the ability to manage and flank his armies is what made savior the management zerg . Edit : My description of savior style of play is really shallow compared to ver who greatly describe and analyse why he is the god of battlefield http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226236 I know this is probably blasphemy, but it sounds like stephano to me. | ||
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chongu
Malaysia2607 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On November 02 2011 17:04 corumjhaelen wrote: If we're looking for a fast and not-so-smart zerg, I'd suggest Hyuk. Captain hyuked as usual destroy  Jaedong in ZvZ but loses to  Fantasy ..Just look at hyuk brilliance when he allowed fantasy to multi prong drop vulture harassed  On November 02 2011 17:12 chongu wrote: Rofl 2 units in the alpha stage are enough to change your mind. Amazing. And mech is already pretty viable in WoL's TvZ I want my pet lurker and defiler , is that hard to ask lols | ||
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rift
1819 Posts
On November 02 2011 14:38 Sawamura wrote: It's just that defiler 2.0 and Warhound(goliath in disguise) change my mind a little about sc2 future . I am looking forward to the games in hots . Defiler 2.0 looks to me like a hybrid of old bw defiler and tyranid tongue units that is able to pull in crucial units from far and chew on it . Warhound and that hellion transformation makes me think of BW TvP mech opening is viable again. If Defiler 2.0 can consume units to spawn more dark swarm 2.0 ..... I am in lols . I can't help but think that doom drops are going to return in hots , imagine dropping defiler 2.0 and a pack of lings with it on a enemy natural or the main base . Things are looking very interesting in hots. the viper's ability is essentially disruption web. The swarm host is sort of lurker-esque, but the locusts move too slow imo. Hellion transform is like firebat...warhound has aoe antiair, but anti-mechanical air to ground, so somewhat different than a goliath, plus slower/stronger. Tempest has corsair-like aoe but it's a 300/300 cost capital ship. Those are all the BW similarities I can think of. They added some stupid shit in too like any building becoming a cannon (lol gas rush), nexus recall and a unit that copies enemy units :\ Zerg changes I'm looking forward to, everything else is quite underwhelming. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On November 02 2011 17:14 rift wrote: the viper's ability is essentially disruption web. The swarm host is sort of lurker-esque, but the locusts move too slow imo. Hellion transform is like firebat...warhound has aoe antiair, but anti-mechanical air to ground, so somewhat different than a goliath, plus slower/stronger. Tempest has corsair-like aoe but it's a 300/300 cost capital ship. Those are all the BW similarities I can think of. But I thought corsair disruption web totally disrupts the unit below from doing anything , that viper or defiler 2.0 makes the unit range attacking lowered to 1 . | ||
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rift
1819 Posts
On November 02 2011 17:18 Sawamura wrote: But I thought corsair disruption web totally disrupts the unit below from doing anything , that viper or defiler 2.0 makes the unit range attacking lowered to 1 . That's the one difference. | ||
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
On November 02 2011 17:15 pdd wrote: I don't get the fascination with Aria to be honest. The account's been around (and relatively active) since September last year and has never been higher than Diamond. That's the fascination . . . . he somehow shot up from below masters to having a high enough MMR to face Huk and Code S level macro and control. | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
On November 02 2011 17:15 pdd wrote: I don't get the fascination with Aria to be honest. The account's been around (and relatively active) since September last year and has never been higher than Diamond. I have never seen such an amazing high diamond player. Surely this points to something as well. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On November 02 2011 17:14 rift wrote: the viper's ability is essentially disruption web. The swarm host is sort of lurker-esque, but the locusts move too slow imo. Hellion transform is like firebat...warhound has aoe antiair, but anti-mechanical air to ground, so somewhat different than a goliath, plus slower/stronger. Tempest has corsair-like aoe but it's a 300/300 cost capital ship. Those are all the BW similarities I can think of. They added some stupid shit in too like any building becoming a cannon (lol gas rush), nexus recall and a unit that copies enemy units :\ Zerg changes I'm looking forward to, everything else is quite underwhelming. I love the defiler 2.0 ability where he copies mortal combat scorpion "get over here move " . | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On November 02 2011 17:22 Micket wrote: I have never seen such an amazing high diamond player. Surely this points to something as well. Why does it point to? Someone that's been training for over a year should be high masters on Korea unless they're making a mistake. | ||
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Wafflelisk
Canada1061 Posts
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
On November 02 2011 17:12 chongu wrote: Rofl 2 units in the alpha stage are enough to change your mind. Amazing. And mech is already pretty viable in WoL's TvZ Sounds like you're mocking a bw guy who is giving a chance to sc2. Funnily enough, I thought that it was what sc2 people wanted. And I agree with him the viper is one (well, more or less the only real one...) step in the right direction. Even though, yeah, dweb... Edit : why sawamura, this game on gladiator is sooooo awful from hyuk... Hello, how to die to one dropship and 4 vultures lategame  | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On November 02 2011 17:31 corumjhaelen wrote: Sounds like you're mocking a bw guy who is giving a chance to sc2. Funnily enough, I thought that it was what sc2 people wanted. And I agree with him the viper is one (well, more or less the only real one...) step in the right direction. Even though, yeah, dweb... Edit : why sawamura, this game on gladiator is sooooo awful from hyuk... Hello, how to die to one dropship and 4 vultures lategame Exactly hyuk dies to fantasy shenanigans a lot of time especially vulture mine drag by his hydralisk lols and vulture harassed .I was highlighting the fact hyuk has great apm but has no strategy or game sense at all with the video  . | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On November 02 2011 17:15 pdd wrote: I don't get the fascination with Aria to be honest. The account's been around (and relatively active) since September last year and has never been higher than Diamond. because the guy has the best mechanical play yet documented in sc2? if he had better compisition he would steamroll huk 20 minutes before finish, and the game wouldnt be even 50% as fun. | ||
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
Don't get me wrong I think BW is the superior game, but it is the players I watched over all these years I'm most interested in. Seeing our beasts we have in BW giving SC2 a shot is exciting. Then I believe, and yes this is also a very biased hope, many current SC2 top players will fall and meet their new masters. | ||
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rift
1819 Posts
On November 02 2011 17:47 bgx wrote: because the guy has the best mechanical play yet documented in sc2? if he had better compisition he would steamroll huk 20 minutes before finish, and the game wouldnt be even 50% as fun. He definitely had the game won if not for the imba archon toilet. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On November 02 2011 17:49 Jayson X wrote: Somehow I feel excited. Since I completely stepped back from both games and was always more into the Korean BW pro scene I do think this can be a good thing. If the whole scene considers to gradually take in SC2 and then eventually switch completely, SC2 would probably gain one of the most stable and professional environments. And if SC2 can attract audience, we have some heavyweight sponsors that I'm sure would like to invest themselves in something new. Don't get me wrong I think BW is the superior game, but it is the players I watched over all these years I'm most interested in. Seeing our beasts we have in BW giving SC2 a shot is exciting. Then I believe, and yes this is also a very biased hope, many current SC2 top players will fall and meet their new masters. Looking at the talent pool sc2 has right now I hope you are wrong man after all foreign scene finally have their own heroes and than to suddenly get killed by an over flow of broodwar pro's in to your game and dominated solely by korean like bw . Do you really want that to happen ? Here's a game of Flash versus Infernal in last year's wcg , infernal was totally dissected and messed around like a toy in his hand . I think the video is really self explanatory to what happens when bw team totally convert to sc2 . | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On November 02 2011 17:49 Jayson X wrote: Somehow I feel excited. Since I completely stepped back from both games and was always more into the Korean BW pro scene I do think this can be a good thing. If the whole scene considers to gradually take in SC2 and then eventually switch completely, SC2 would probably gain one of the most stable and professional environments. And if SC2 can attract audience, we have some heavyweight sponsors that I'm sure would like to invest themselves in something new. Don't get me wrong I think BW is the superior game, but it is the players I watched over all these years I'm most interested in. Seeing our beasts we have in BW giving SC2 a shot is exciting. Then I believe, and yes this is also a very biased hope, many current SC2 top players will fall and meet their new masters. I wouldn't call them new masters. More like the old rulers have come back from vacation and want their thrones back from the jesters of the court. | ||
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