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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 03:54:57
November 02 2011 03:54 GMT
#3021
On November 02 2011 12:45 Sawamura wrote:
I have yet to see any zergs in sc2 play Savior management style of play


I'm not attempting to be sarcastic or hate on Brood War in any way, but since I don't really understand Brood War past very basic stuff, could you please explain what "SaviOr management" is?

EDIT: typed 'please' twice
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
minisockey
Profile Joined June 2011
99 Posts
November 02 2011 03:54 GMT
#3022
based on that huk vs some random BW player these BW players are going to be freaking insaneeee so excited to see what its going to be like in the coming months need to remember the original sc2 players though people <3
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 04:11:15
November 02 2011 04:00 GMT
#3023
On November 02 2011 12:54 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 12:45 Sawamura wrote:
I have yet to see any zergs in sc2 play Savior management style of play

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10F1i0WaKYM

I'm not attempting to be sarcastic or hate on Brood War in any way, but since I don't really understand Brood War past very basic stuff, could you please explain what "SaviOr management" is?

EDIT: typed 'please' twice


If you watch the fpvods he doesn't have high apm like many zerg pro's have currently , so he counters that with having great management , having great eco's , building units at each hatchery waiting for his enemies to make his moves . If you watch carefully in the fpvod (If you did ) . He knows he has the advantage and he has the ability to manage and flank his armies is what made savior the management zerg .

Edit : My description of savior style of play is really shallow compared to ver who greatly describe and analyse why he is the god of battlefield http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226236
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
November 02 2011 04:13 GMT
#3024
On November 02 2011 13:00 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 12:54 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On November 02 2011 12:45 Sawamura wrote:
I have yet to see any zergs in sc2 play Savior management style of play

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10F1i0WaKYM

I'm not attempting to be sarcastic or hate on Brood War in any way, but since I don't really understand Brood War past very basic stuff, could you please explain what "SaviOr management" is?

EDIT: typed 'please' twice


If you watch the fpvods he doesn't have high apm like many zerg pro's have currently , so he counters that with having great management , having great eco's , building units at each hatchery waiting for his enemies to make his moves . If you watch carefully in the fpvod (If you did ) . He knows he has the advantage and he has the ability to manage and flank his armies is what made savior the management zerg .

I didn't get a chance to watch the entire VoD yet, but I watched segments, and from what I could see (and once again, not trying to start anything BW vs SC2 etc.) I think the reason we haven't seen a Zerg play like that yet, is because Macro is so much easier for some players in SC2 (due to MBS, etc.) and Zerg macro especially tends to fall down to Rally Hatcheries > Select all larvae > make units that since players don't have to go to individual hatcheries and utilize macro abilities that way, it's not something that develops into a playstyle like that.

That being said, I really don't like how Zerg players tend to make and forget units, and then lose them mid-rally because they're coming from the wrong hatchery (I see this a lot with Zerglings).
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
[N3O]r3d33m3r
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany673 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 04:33:30
November 02 2011 04:23 GMT
#3025
http://sc2ranks.com/kr/149940/AriA/season/3

anybody noticed that that AriA guy has 257 Wins-0 Losses in Season 3 in plat? lolz =P
that's 100% Win Ratio!

didn't remiind myself that Blizzard removed Win/Loss for anyone under Masters^^
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 04:28:28
November 02 2011 04:27 GMT
#3026
[image loading]

Honestly, the game went from incredibly enjoyable (it war a real "swarm" feeling) to horrendous. I had this creeping doubt that even with a 100 food lead, Aria would lose ><

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Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5710 Posts
November 02 2011 04:27 GMT
#3027
On November 02 2011 13:23 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote:
http://sc2ranks.com/kr/149940/AriA/season/3

anybody noticed that that AriA guy has 257 Wins-0 Losses in Season 3 in plat? lolz =P
that's 100% Win Ratio!


Can we get it a dedicated thread? I know Stephano got one for simply going 67-2 or something...
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 04:30:05
November 02 2011 04:29 GMT
#3028
On November 02 2011 13:23 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote:
http://sc2ranks.com/kr/149940/AriA/season/3

anybody noticed that that AriA guy has 257 Wins-0 Losses in Season 3 in plat? lolz =P
that's 100% Win Ratio!

That is because lose doesn't count below Master, and he is plat, so...
LXenJin
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore293 Posts
November 02 2011 04:30 GMT
#3029
On November 02 2011 13:27 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 13:23 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote:
http://sc2ranks.com/kr/149940/AriA/season/3

anybody noticed that that AriA guy has 257 Wins-0 Losses in Season 3 in plat? lolz =P
that's 100% Win Ratio!


Can we get it a dedicated thread? I know Stephano got one for simply going 67-2 or something...


Im not sure if it was taken away but isn't the losses not recorded when ur in diamond and lower?
Oxyoxygen
Profile Joined June 2010
United States68 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 04:31:30
November 02 2011 04:30 GMT
#3030
On November 02 2011 13:27 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 13:23 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote:
http://sc2ranks.com/kr/149940/AriA/season/3

anybody noticed that that AriA guy has 257 Wins-0 Losses in Season 3 in plat? lolz =P
that's 100% Win Ratio!


Can we get it a dedicated thread? I know Stephano got one for simply going 67-2 or something...

Profiles below masters don't display loses on sc2ranks or bnet. That isn't his actual record.
[N3O]r3d33m3r
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany673 Posts
November 02 2011 04:32 GMT
#3031
ooh okay my bad then, forgot that that only goes for master players
stangstang
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada281 Posts
November 02 2011 04:33 GMT
#3032
I'm gonna try and explain why I think it can only be a bw pro that recently switched

1. Ladder Gosu - With mechanics like that? not very likely. But give them the benefit of the doubt and say sure they got those mechanics from playing ladder a ton. What about the unit compositions and engagements? If he has been laddering for quite some time and got those crazy mechanics from it, theres no way he would straight up make such bad unit composition and engagement decisions. VERY UNLIKELY

2. SC2 pro offracing - The unit compositions and engagements are tell tale signs. There is no way an sc2 pro would have made those decisions even if they are off racing. even if they are not aware of the strengths and weakness's of certain zerg compositions, he must be aware of how an engagement would pan out and back off when its not in his favor.

3. SC2 pro zerg - this is the least likely in my opinion. mechanics are good thats fine. but theres no way you could be that good mechanically and make such a poor decision on engagements and unit composititons as a pro sc2 zerg. A pro sc2 zerg would have switched to hydras after seeing no collosus or fast teched to broodlords. Weird engagements like attacking with a bunch of roaches after seeing how many stalkers and sentries huk had.

4. non-bw pro player - very subtle things make this seem unlikely. great overlord spread, overlord scouting early game, expansion timings, burrow micro, baneling drops, muta harass.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
November 02 2011 04:42 GMT
#3033
But if he was playing since season 1, I doubt that it's a BW pro, and even if he were, it would not be surprised since he has been playing since the game was released, anyone can do that, and has been doing it.

stangstang
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada281 Posts
November 02 2011 04:47 GMT
#3034
On November 02 2011 13:42 canikizu wrote:
But if he was playing since season 1, I doubt that it's a BW pro, and even if he were, it would not be surprised since he has been playing since the game was released, anyone can do that, and has been doing it.



but then it doesnt make sense how he has these great mechanics but doesnt understand the basics of sc2 unit compositions.
Zaurus
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore676 Posts
November 02 2011 04:48 GMT
#3035
You can confirm it is a BW pro if the no of games played starts to increase at a fast rate.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
November 02 2011 05:18 GMT
#3036
On November 02 2011 12:54 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 12:45 Sawamura wrote:
I have yet to see any zergs in sc2 play Savior management style of play

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10F1i0WaKYM

I'm not attempting to be sarcastic or hate on Brood War in any way, but since I don't really understand Brood War past very basic stuff, could you please explain what "SaviOr management" is?

EDIT: typed 'please' twice


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226236

best explanation of Savior's style of play and management.
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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 05:25:52
November 02 2011 05:22 GMT
#3037
On November 02 2011 14:18 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 12:54 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On November 02 2011 12:45 Sawamura wrote:
I have yet to see any zergs in sc2 play Savior management style of play

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10F1i0WaKYM

I'm not attempting to be sarcastic or hate on Brood War in any way, but since I don't really understand Brood War past very basic stuff, could you please explain what "SaviOr management" is?

EDIT: typed 'please' twice


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226236

best explanation of Savior's style of play and management.

Yeah, this got posted already, and I had read this before, but glazed over the mechanics discussion. Still, it's very impressive, but I feel that the way SC2 eases up on Macro mechanics and larvae management, etc. this playstyle is way below optimal regarding his unit preparation and larvae usage.

EDIT: I would like to point out, I wish more Zerg players utilized their units and engaged more like him.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 02 2011 05:25 GMT
#3038
On November 02 2011 14:22 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 14:18 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On November 02 2011 12:54 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On November 02 2011 12:45 Sawamura wrote:
I have yet to see any zergs in sc2 play Savior management style of play

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10F1i0WaKYM

I'm not attempting to be sarcastic or hate on Brood War in any way, but since I don't really understand Brood War past very basic stuff, could you please explain what "SaviOr management" is?

EDIT: typed 'please' twice


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226236

best explanation of Savior's style of play and management.

Yeah, this got posted already, and I had read this before, but glazed over the mechanics discussion. Still, it's very impressive, but I feel that the way SC2 eases up on Macro mechanics and larvae management, etc. this playstyle is way below optimal regarding his unit preparation and larvae usage.


You do realised Savior strength isn't in his mechanics right
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
November 02 2011 05:28 GMT
#3039
On November 02 2011 14:25 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 14:22 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On November 02 2011 14:18 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On November 02 2011 12:54 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On November 02 2011 12:45 Sawamura wrote:
I have yet to see any zergs in sc2 play Savior management style of play

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10F1i0WaKYM

I'm not attempting to be sarcastic or hate on Brood War in any way, but since I don't really understand Brood War past very basic stuff, could you please explain what "SaviOr management" is?

EDIT: typed 'please' twice


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226236

best explanation of Savior's style of play and management.

Yeah, this got posted already, and I had read this before, but glazed over the mechanics discussion. Still, it's very impressive, but I feel that the way SC2 eases up on Macro mechanics and larvae management, etc. this playstyle is way below optimal regarding his unit preparation and larvae usage.


You do realised Savior strength isn't in his mechanics right

I do, the main reason I'm focusing on the mechanics is that it would be almost impossible to approach the game mentally as astute as he did, especially at this point and time with the game being so young.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 02 2011 05:31 GMT
#3040
On November 02 2011 14:28 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 14:25 Sawamura wrote:
On November 02 2011 14:22 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On November 02 2011 14:18 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On November 02 2011 12:54 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On November 02 2011 12:45 Sawamura wrote:
I have yet to see any zergs in sc2 play Savior management style of play

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10F1i0WaKYM

I'm not attempting to be sarcastic or hate on Brood War in any way, but since I don't really understand Brood War past very basic stuff, could you please explain what "SaviOr management" is?

EDIT: typed 'please' twice


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226236

best explanation of Savior's style of play and management.

Yeah, this got posted already, and I had read this before, but glazed over the mechanics discussion. Still, it's very impressive, but I feel that the way SC2 eases up on Macro mechanics and larvae management, etc. this playstyle is way below optimal regarding his unit preparation and larvae usage.


You do realised Savior strength isn't in his mechanics right

I do, the main reason I'm focusing on the mechanics is that it would be almost impossible to approach the game mentally as astute as he did, especially at this point and time with the game being so young.


HOTS is releasing Defiler 2.0 probably we will see a return of this kind of play ?
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
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