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Tyson from MBC Game Hero also asked for a game with MKP and MKP asked for his ID.
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I can't believe this is actually happening. Bisu in SC2... now all I want is JangBang and Storkuuu to come too. YESSSSS ESPORTS
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On October 31 2011 23:25 GhostLink wrote:
what about jaedong?
CJ, SKT and STX. Jaedong is not on any of those teams.
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On October 31 2011 11:31 rightstuff wrote:
I don't think that I'm out of line in suggesting that TRUE esports fans would be willing to watch SC2 and allow BW to retire if it were to become a spectator sport worthy of its heritage. In its current state of balance, metagame, skill level, and map design it does not equal BW in terms of pure entertainment in my opinion. However, the surest way to improve that situation is to educate new fans (and hard headed vets) in the potential that could be realized if SC2 develops into something as amazing as BW.
There are fans out there with the desire and drive to carry this new game forward, but everyone should know what sort of standard we should hold to Blizzard and the Starcraft community. Please, please, PLEASE think positively and do not fall into the internet trap of blind criticism over helping to realize potential growth. If we can't agree to promote the advancement of esports over stagnation and instead choose to continue down this path, we need to be honest with ourselves and stop using the word FAN.
"E-sports" is a joke. TL was not an "e-sports" site for a long time. In fact, as it says right at the top, TL is a STARCRAFT PROGAMING site.
That people considered BW to be a sport in kr is, well, a technicality. It was for discussion about the game, how to play the game, which players were good at the game, and how we could watch and support them. There was no onus on community members to promote the game to a wider audience, or in other words be pro-growth.
What BW supporters essentially want is to make the we loved game better. SC2 did not deliver that game. We complain in the hope that someone out there will be listening. I believe that if the game is refined for competitive play to a high degree, viewership will naturally rise as a result. But the priority lies with the GAME. The GAME makes the competition, not vice-versa. If the game is shit, we have the right to say so.
Most of the new people in this site have the opposite mindset. They think that if enough people watch the game online, it will magically transform into the best competitive RTS ever. But history will tell you otherwise. All they want nowadays is to have more people watch SC2 and strangely enough, even promote inane online games (LoL?)...and contribute to the mass appeal of these dumbed-down crowd pleasers.
Focus on the game first.
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Oh shit, we need a translator right now.
But I'm starting to get worried, if they mix BW and SC2 on Proleague, all of them will be hybrids? Or some will switch over while others will remain solely on BW?
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On October 31 2011 23:27 shadymmj wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 11:31 rightstuff wrote:
I don't think that I'm out of line in suggesting that TRUE esports fans would be willing to watch SC2 and allow BW to retire if it were to become a spectator sport worthy of its heritage. In its current state of balance, metagame, skill level, and map design it does not equal BW in terms of pure entertainment in my opinion. However, the surest way to improve that situation is to educate new fans (and hard headed vets) in the potential that could be realized if SC2 develops into something as amazing as BW.
There are fans out there with the desire and drive to carry this new game forward, but everyone should know what sort of standard we should hold to Blizzard and the Starcraft community. Please, please, PLEASE think positively and do not fall into the internet trap of blind criticism over helping to realize potential growth. If we can't agree to promote the advancement of esports over stagnation and instead choose to continue down this path, we need to be honest with ourselves and stop using the word FAN.
"E-sports" is a joke. TL was not an "e-sports" site for a long time. In fact, as it says right at the top, TL is a STARCRAFT PROGAMING site. That people considered BW to be a sport in kr is, well, a technicality. It was for discussion about the game, how to play the game, which players were good at the game, and how we could watch and support them. There was no onus on community members to promote the game to a wider audience, or in other words be pro-growth. What BW supporters essentially want is to make the we loved game better. SC2 did not deliver that game. We complain in the hope that someone out there will be listening. I believe that if the game is refined for competitive play to a high degree, viewership will naturally rise as a result. But the priority lies with the GAME. The GAME makes the competition, not vice-versa. If the game is shit, we have the right to say so. Most of the new people in this site have the opposite mindset. They think that if enough people watch the game online, it will magically transform into the best competitive RTS ever. But history will tell you otherwise. All they want nowadays is to have more people watch SC2 and strangely enough, even promote inane online games (LoL?)...and contribute to the mass appeal of these dumbed-down crowd pleasers. Focus on the game first.
Lol, what a elitist opinion. Grow the fuck up.
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lol that was what I was waiting for, after checking this topic like 10 times a day. The new update , get ready, the riders of the apocalipse are coming.
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SC2 watcher here but still am a bit sad if they will all switch :-(
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On October 31 2011 23:30 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 23:27 shadymmj wrote:On October 31 2011 11:31 rightstuff wrote:
I don't think that I'm out of line in suggesting that TRUE esports fans would be willing to watch SC2 and allow BW to retire if it were to become a spectator sport worthy of its heritage. In its current state of balance, metagame, skill level, and map design it does not equal BW in terms of pure entertainment in my opinion. However, the surest way to improve that situation is to educate new fans (and hard headed vets) in the potential that could be realized if SC2 develops into something as amazing as BW.
There are fans out there with the desire and drive to carry this new game forward, but everyone should know what sort of standard we should hold to Blizzard and the Starcraft community. Please, please, PLEASE think positively and do not fall into the internet trap of blind criticism over helping to realize potential growth. If we can't agree to promote the advancement of esports over stagnation and instead choose to continue down this path, we need to be honest with ourselves and stop using the word FAN.
"E-sports" is a joke. TL was not an "e-sports" site for a long time. In fact, as it says right at the top, TL is a STARCRAFT PROGAMING site. That people considered BW to be a sport in kr is, well, a technicality. It was for discussion about the game, how to play the game, which players were good at the game, and how we could watch and support them. There was no onus on community members to promote the game to a wider audience, or in other words be pro-growth. What BW supporters essentially want is to make the we loved game better. SC2 did not deliver that game. We complain in the hope that someone out there will be listening. I believe that if the game is refined for competitive play to a high degree, viewership will naturally rise as a result. But the priority lies with the GAME. The GAME makes the competition, not vice-versa. If the game is shit, we have the right to say so. Most of the new people in this site have the opposite mindset. They think that if enough people watch the game online, it will magically transform into the best competitive RTS ever. But history will tell you otherwise. All they want nowadays is to have more people watch SC2 and strangely enough, even promote inane online games (LoL?)...and contribute to the mass appeal of these dumbed-down crowd pleasers. Focus on the game first. Lol, what a elitist opinion. Grow the fuck up.
How is that elitist? I don't think anyone - even the most staunch sc2 supporter - would argue that it's even near the game BW is right now, but rather for it's potential.
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some sick players on that list. i hope they are truly going to switch to sc2 soon.
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On October 31 2011 23:30 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 23:27 shadymmj wrote:On October 31 2011 11:31 rightstuff wrote:
I don't think that I'm out of line in suggesting that TRUE esports fans would be willing to watch SC2 and allow BW to retire if it were to become a spectator sport worthy of its heritage. In its current state of balance, metagame, skill level, and map design it does not equal BW in terms of pure entertainment in my opinion. However, the surest way to improve that situation is to educate new fans (and hard headed vets) in the potential that could be realized if SC2 develops into something as amazing as BW.
There are fans out there with the desire and drive to carry this new game forward, but everyone should know what sort of standard we should hold to Blizzard and the Starcraft community. Please, please, PLEASE think positively and do not fall into the internet trap of blind criticism over helping to realize potential growth. If we can't agree to promote the advancement of esports over stagnation and instead choose to continue down this path, we need to be honest with ourselves and stop using the word FAN.
"E-sports" is a joke. TL was not an "e-sports" site for a long time. In fact, as it says right at the top, TL is a STARCRAFT PROGAMING site. That people considered BW to be a sport in kr is, well, a technicality. It was for discussion about the game, how to play the game, which players were good at the game, and how we could watch and support them. There was no onus on community members to promote the game to a wider audience, or in other words be pro-growth. What BW supporters essentially want is to make the we loved game better. SC2 did not deliver that game. We complain in the hope that someone out there will be listening. I believe that if the game is refined for competitive play to a high degree, viewership will naturally rise as a result. But the priority lies with the GAME. The GAME makes the competition, not vice-versa. If the game is shit, we have the right to say so. Most of the new people in this site have the opposite mindset. They think that if enough people watch the game online, it will magically transform into the best competitive RTS ever. But history will tell you otherwise. All they want nowadays is to have more people watch SC2 and strangely enough, even promote inane online games (LoL?)...and contribute to the mass appeal of these dumbed-down crowd pleasers. Focus on the game first. Lol, what a elitist opinion. Grow the fuck up.
In what way is it? My opinion is BW is a better competitive game than SC2, and I accept (and respectfully disagree with) opinions to contrary.
But what I cannot accept or respect is the idea of "LOLLL MORE N MORE PEOPLE WATCH SC2 = GOOD!!! THAT WILL MAKE IT THE BEST COMPETITIVE RTS EVAR!!!"
Seems like if I hold an event called shady's backyard SC2 tournament offering free beers to the winner, people will just blindly support it for no reason at all.
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Been waiting for this announcement for ages! MVP and Nestea will probably be irrelevant after HotS (Probably the time BW players will make debut) if BW players are as skilled as they've been hyped to be. Hopefully all the fangirls come to SC2 aswell, it's quite a sausage fest for SC2 in terms of fan base  .
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On October 31 2011 23:35 shadymmj wrote:
In what way is it? My opinion is BW is a better competitive game than SC2, and I accept (and respectfully disagree with) opinions to contrary.
But what I cannot accept or respect is the idea of "LOLLL MORE N MORE PEOPLE WATCH SC2 = GOOD!!! THAT WILL MAKE IT THE BEST COMPETITIVE RTS EVAR!!!"
Seems like if I hold an event called shady's backyard SC2 tournament offering free beers to the winner, people will just blindly support it for no reason at all.
Oh please, take your strawman arguments and get out of this thread.
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On October 31 2011 23:23 thOr6136 wrote:Btw, if you look at progamers profiles on twitter, you can see they are talking between each other, dunno what is all about, maybe just some friendly joking or something about SC2? Someone could translate  Jaedong talked something with Liquid'HerO and oGsGon. Puma talked with Light (woonjing stars) and if you check Light's twitter profile you can see he was talking with Puma, TSL_JYP and MKP Brave also talked with Puma and there is a lot of chat on Modesty's profile between Puma, him and Brave.
Puma and Light were talking about Puma's red hair (if my skills at Google Translate tell me anything)
Twitter exchanges are regular between BW and SC2 progamers btw, so it won't really tell much.
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On October 31 2011 23:24 KasdaTheEmperor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 23:23 thOr6136 wrote:Btw, if you look at progamers profiles on twitter, you can see they are talking between each other, dunno what is all about, maybe just some friendly joking or something about SC2? Someone could translate Jaedong talked something with Liquid'HerO and oGsGon. Puma talked with Light (woonjing stars) and if you check Light's twitter profile you can see he was talking with Puma, TSL_JYP and MKP Brave also talked with Puma and there is a lot of chat on Modesty's profile between Puma, him and Brave. Hero and Gon are both former Oz players
omg Jaedong to oGs would be epic
I heard something about Jaedong being without a team in Broodwar, is that still the case? If so, I could see him being tempted to switch.
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I think this is good for competition. And with the introduction of the Proleague these SC:BW monsters will be able to really stake their claim quickly. Winner's league will be the more volatile competition, allowing new players to showcase their ability to break into the professional realm with SC2.
Since SC2 is a more international game than was SC:BW, it allows for more exposure of the players. Previously, the only way to know about SC:BW was if you had played the game prior, or knew about the Koreans. With SC2 being already more global than SC:BW, it's worth their investment of time to become acquainted with the game early on.
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What strikes me is number of protoses there ... Ahhh so sweet
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On October 31 2011 23:35 shadymmj wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 23:30 Toppp wrote:On October 31 2011 23:27 shadymmj wrote:On October 31 2011 11:31 rightstuff wrote:
I don't think that I'm out of line in suggesting that TRUE esports fans would be willing to watch SC2 and allow BW to retire if it were to become a spectator sport worthy of its heritage. In its current state of balance, metagame, skill level, and map design it does not equal BW in terms of pure entertainment in my opinion. However, the surest way to improve that situation is to educate new fans (and hard headed vets) in the potential that could be realized if SC2 develops into something as amazing as BW.
There are fans out there with the desire and drive to carry this new game forward, but everyone should know what sort of standard we should hold to Blizzard and the Starcraft community. Please, please, PLEASE think positively and do not fall into the internet trap of blind criticism over helping to realize potential growth. If we can't agree to promote the advancement of esports over stagnation and instead choose to continue down this path, we need to be honest with ourselves and stop using the word FAN.
"E-sports" is a joke. TL was not an "e-sports" site for a long time. In fact, as it says right at the top, TL is a STARCRAFT PROGAMING site. That people considered BW to be a sport in kr is, well, a technicality. It was for discussion about the game, how to play the game, which players were good at the game, and how we could watch and support them. There was no onus on community members to promote the game to a wider audience, or in other words be pro-growth. What BW supporters essentially want is to make the we loved game better. SC2 did not deliver that game. We complain in the hope that someone out there will be listening. I believe that if the game is refined for competitive play to a high degree, viewership will naturally rise as a result. But the priority lies with the GAME. The GAME makes the competition, not vice-versa. If the game is shit, we have the right to say so. Most of the new people in this site have the opposite mindset. They think that if enough people watch the game online, it will magically transform into the best competitive RTS ever. But history will tell you otherwise. All they want nowadays is to have more people watch SC2 and strangely enough, even promote inane online games (LoL?)...and contribute to the mass appeal of these dumbed-down crowd pleasers. Focus on the game first. Lol, what a elitist opinion. Grow the fuck up. In what way is it? My opinion is BW is a better competitive game than SC2, and I accept (and respectfully disagree with) opinions to contrary. But what I cannot accept or respect is the idea of "LOLLL MORE N MORE PEOPLE WATCH SC2 = GOOD!!! THAT WILL MAKE IT THE BEST COMPETITIVE RTS EVAR!!!" Seems like if I hold an event called shady's backyard SC2 tournament offering free beers to the winner, people will just blindly support it for no reason at all.
I don't know what you are arguing about but this sounds like one of the most entertaining tournaments ever, was this supposed to be joke? I would definitely support this, and probably attend as well. I mean come on, SC2 and free beer?!
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On October 31 2011 23:30 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 23:27 shadymmj wrote:On October 31 2011 11:31 rightstuff wrote:
I don't think that I'm out of line in suggesting that TRUE esports fans would be willing to watch SC2 and allow BW to retire if it were to become a spectator sport worthy of its heritage. In its current state of balance, metagame, skill level, and map design it does not equal BW in terms of pure entertainment in my opinion. However, the surest way to improve that situation is to educate new fans (and hard headed vets) in the potential that could be realized if SC2 develops into something as amazing as BW.
There are fans out there with the desire and drive to carry this new game forward, but everyone should know what sort of standard we should hold to Blizzard and the Starcraft community. Please, please, PLEASE think positively and do not fall into the internet trap of blind criticism over helping to realize potential growth. If we can't agree to promote the advancement of esports over stagnation and instead choose to continue down this path, we need to be honest with ourselves and stop using the word FAN.
"E-sports" is a joke. TL was not an "e-sports" site for a long time. In fact, as it says right at the top, TL is a STARCRAFT PROGAMING site. That people considered BW to be a sport in kr is, well, a technicality. It was for discussion about the game, how to play the game, which players were good at the game, and how we could watch and support them. There was no onus on community members to promote the game to a wider audience, or in other words be pro-growth. What BW supporters essentially want is to make the we loved game better. SC2 did not deliver that game. We complain in the hope that someone out there will be listening. I believe that if the game is refined for competitive play to a high degree, viewership will naturally rise as a result. But the priority lies with the GAME. The GAME makes the competition, not vice-versa. If the game is shit, we have the right to say so. Most of the new people in this site have the opposite mindset. They think that if enough people watch the game online, it will magically transform into the best competitive RTS ever. But history will tell you otherwise. All they want nowadays is to have more people watch SC2 and strangely enough, even promote inane online games (LoL?)...and contribute to the mass appeal of these dumbed-down crowd pleasers. Focus on the game first. Lol, what a elitist opinion. Grow the fuck up.
Also, progaming is e-Sports, is it not?
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