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TL interviews Dustin Browder at Blizzcon - Page 21
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gulati
United States2241 Posts
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SelectStaR
United Kingdom129 Posts
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
I also don't like his way of dealing with the "deathball" problem. You should do that by introducing more harassment opportunities and units that work well in small numbers, so having all your shit in one place actually becomes a bad idea. Not by designing units that CAN'T be used in an army, like Shredders or Oracles. On October 25 2011 13:45 Raiznhell wrote: Honestly there's too much whining about Terran specifically. Like honestly aside from Code S no other tournament is very Terran heavy AT ALL. Also nobody points to the fact that Code S has a lot of issues with routing bad players out of Code S and getting good players in. The whole tournament system pre-Ro16 is entirely flawed. Just look at how Code S became filled with Terran in the first place. Because Code A got stacked with Good players that belonged in Code S like MMA, Ganzi, Mvp and Bomber to name a few. They all climbed their way into Code S however due to the flaw of up and downs not all the bad players were routed out. But now look at Code A full of Zerg and Protoss who are all going to make their shot for Code S and is now also getting refilled by more Protoss and Zerg specifically 4 foreigner Protoss and Zerg players and what do you think is going to happen? Code S may start to balance out or even become dry of Terrans. People Jump on the hate train way too fast and never have patience. Look at MLG Orlando, IEM, IPL and now the Korean Weekly. All going to have Protoss and Zerg Champions and not even have Terran make it to the finals. No good Terrans some have said? WHAT? PuMA, Bomber, TheSTC, forGG (who's playing fantastically) Taeja? all not good Terrans? Get outta here. Another thing to touch on is look at BW. 99% of players would argue that BW is almost completely balanced and is the most balanced game in the world involving 3+race/faction differential. Yet still....guess what Terran is pretty damn dominant. Protoss and Zergs catch their time every now and then but for the most part you would see Fantasy or Flash or going way back BoxeR, NaDa, OOV even lesser Terrans like Midas dominate a ton. There was a point in BW where Terran literally seemed unbeatable until eventually someone who figure one little thing out. Yet in SC2 everyone points to Terran being imba when the only real Tournament Terran is seeing a lot of success in is Code S which again is only Terran heavy due to Code A being filled with Z and P right now and a flawed up and down system. I guarantee you that is a player in SC2 loses a game in the current state it's because he deserved to and he could have won had he played better. I read stuff like this, and I marvel at how good the human mind is at lying to itself. You probably really believe this to be sound reasoning, which is a bit depressing. But hey, anything is better than admitting that Terran is too good, because that would hurt the precious egos of Terran players who lose to Zerg and Protoss on the ladder. I mean, come on. There are 19 Terrans in Code S because "there just happened to be awesome Terran players in Code A"? I guess you're one of the people who believe that there are 15 top5 Terrans in Code S, and that they all deserve their spots because of how amazing they are. I don't even especially think ZvT is especially imbalanced, although it's way easier for an inferior Terran to beat a better Zerg than vice versa. However, to think Protoss is fine from their results in major tournaments and from watching how the games play out requires an amazing amount of denial. I mean, wow, Protoss actually got Top2 in a tournament with no good ZvPer, and with most of the PvTs having one player cheese or just do retarded crap (like Bomber's "hidden expo" vs Sase on Shakuras or MKP's "24 Marines with no upgrades and 0 bunkers vs 6 Gate"). Awesome. All the while, even with all the "new Protoss hopes" in Code A, we still have 5 Protoss in Code S next season, and that's only because of MC getting a spot from Orlando. And bringing up BW as an analogy is just so disingenuous. BW had long periods of one race dominating a given matchup, yes, but it wasn't just one race on top of everything constantly. BW winrate graphs have nice sinusoid shapes for almost all the matchups, while the SC2 graph only consistently shows one thing - Terran on top. | ||
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
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Turbo.Tactics
Germany675 Posts
<3 Kennigit! | ||
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
That being said, I HATE blizzard for not implementing LAN. The "its so hard to do" stuff is just bullshit and we all know it. | ||
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Stiluz
Norway688 Posts
My only complaint is the map pool... He says community maps and the like often are more like near-finished maps, but that doesn't take away from the fact that many of the ladder maps are bad (Searing) or not fun at all (Nerazim). Surely it should be possible to add a few more GSL/MLG maps and a few more vetoes. Would it be confusing for the Bronze player that just got into SC2? ... Maybe. But how about having all the big maps/GSL/MLG maps vetoed by default? There could be a warning saying that these maps are for more experienced players, or something like that. I don't have a lot of practice partners, so ladder is my only way to play alot. At least I'd like the opportunity to play the cool maps I see the pros play on in tournaments. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
On October 25 2011 15:32 GhostFall wrote: Soooo is anyone else kinda disappointed in the answers at 8:40. The themes of the race is what made Starcraft feel like Starcraft. This GOES a loonnnnnng way to explain why we have people claiming the game feels less and less like a Starcraft game. Obviously, we're expecting different units, but the fact they don't care about the themes of the race means the path that Starcraft 2 is going to take is really worrying. Yeah, this is true. I felt this with WOL and think it will only get worse in HOTS (at least as things currently stand). I feel that Protoss is becoming less and less Protoss, and by extension the game is becoming less the Starcraft I used to know. But if that is the case, I will simply stop playing and move on to other things. The game, who knows, may be better for it. I just won't want to be a part of it. | ||
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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
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TheyCallMePops
United States81 Posts
On October 25 2011 10:36 aksfjh wrote: If you think this is the case, then go play DotA 2 and TF2. Nobody is bending your arm to pay attention to their response to the community. You obviously care enough about what they've done already with that same attitude to buy and participate in the SC2 community, but by all means go worship Valve if you think their approach produces better games. This is an awful way to take a comparison about two companies policies out of hand. All he's asking for is the same care and consideration towards their communities that Valve provides. Valve's main goal in creating their games is providing the tools that will allow for the best end-user experience, to the point where they bend over backwards to do so. This simply isn't the case with Blizzard, who instead design a system that is inherently worse than their previous attempts ("Battle.net 0.2", as it has been dubbed by some) and then don't include some very basic and, in the opinions of many fans and pro-gamers alike, necessary functions (like LAN play, at least for tournaments). Sure, Blizzard has their reasons, but for many they are not good enough and people see the differences in the way companies handle their games, the feedback they receive, and ultimately, their fanbases. Comparing two companies and the way that they handle their eSports scene isn't wrong, and telling someone to "go play another game if you don't like it" seems to be a childish way to handle the situation. Competition is what inspires improvements, and we see this theory in practice in the way that tournaments are handled and the care taken to facilitate the pros and the fans. The comparisons that are drawn between two companies that both have games that are very entrenched in the eSports scene is only natural, and should be taken into consideration, not simply passed off as fanboy-ism or what-have-you. | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
On October 25 2011 18:11 Toadvine wrote: Well, at least Browder's sincere in the "you should go back to Brood War if you don't like this" statements, always nice to see the PR bullshit dropped for a bit. Still, it's really worrying that he doesn't see any major problems with the current design of the game. Both Protoss and Zerg look like ticking time-bombs, with Protoss having the possibility to be completely awful come HotS, and Zerg being insanely oveprowered with their new stuff. I also don't like his way of dealing with the "deathball" problem. You should do that by introducing more harassment opportunities and units that work well in small numbers, so having all your shit in one place actually becomes a bad idea. Not by designing units that CAN'T be used in an army, like Shredders or Oracles. I read stuff like this, and I marvel at how good the human mind is at lying to itself. You probably really believe this to be sound reasoning, which is a bit depressing. But hey, anything is better than admitting that Terran is too good, because that would hurt the precious egos of Terran players who lose to Zerg and Protoss on the ladder. I mean, come on. There are 19 Terrans in Code S because "there just happened to be awesome Terran players in Code A"? I guess you're one of the people who believe that there are 15 top5 Terrans in Code S, and that they all deserve their spots because of how amazing they are. I don't even especially think ZvT is especially imbalanced, although it's way easier for an inferior Terran to beat a better Zerg than vice versa. However, to think Protoss is fine from their results in major tournaments and from watching how the games play out requires an amazing amount of denial. I mean, wow, Protoss actually got Top2 in a tournament with no good ZvPer, and with most of the PvTs having one player cheese or just do retarded crap (like Bomber's "hidden expo" vs Sase on Shakuras or MKP's "24 Marines with no upgrades and 0 bunkers vs 6 Gate"). Awesome. All the while, even with all the "new Protoss hopes" in Code A, we still have 5 Protoss in Code S next season, and that's only because of MC getting a spot from Orlando. And bringing up BW as an analogy is just so disingenuous. BW had long periods of one race dominating a given matchup, yes, but it wasn't just one race on top of everything constantly. BW winrate graphs have nice sinusoid shapes for almost all the matchups, while the SC2 graph only consistently shows one thing - Terran on top. Adding to this, those that say Terran is dominant in BW are deluding themselves. True, the bonjwas are mostly Terran, but thats like saying Zerg is dominant because NesTea is a good player. If you look at PL statistics, it is 49%, 50%, 51% winrate, for T, Z, P respectively. That's pretty amazing if you ask me. Outside of Flash and Fantasy, Terrans aren't nearly as good and actually, there are a ton of Zergs who are really good and are better than the majority of Terran players. | ||
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m0ck
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On October 25 2011 18:43 Micket wrote: Adding to this, those that say Terran is dominant in BW are deluding themselves. True, the bonjwas are mostly Terran, but thats like saying Zerg is dominant because NesTea is a good player. If you look at PL statistics, it is 49%, 50%, 51% winrate, for T, Z, P respectively. That's pretty amazing if you ask me. Outside of Flash and Fantasy, Terrans aren't nearly as good and actually, there are a ton of Zergs who are really good and are better than the majority of Terran players. This cannot be said enough: outside korea there has been no indication of protoss being the weaker race. | ||
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Spitmode
Germany1510 Posts
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Striding Strider
United Kingdom787 Posts
On October 25 2011 15:32 GhostFall wrote: Soooo is anyone else kinda disappointed in the answers at 8:40. The themes of the race is what made Starcraft feel like Starcraft. This GOES a loonnnnnng way to explain why we have people claiming the game feels less and less like a Starcraft game. Obviously, we're expecting different units, but the fact they don't care about the themes of the race means the path that Starcraft 2 is going to take is really worrying. Yes. | ||
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Gorguts
Canada254 Posts
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TheyCallMePops
United States81 Posts
An interesting thing to note is that when they showed the Swarm Host unit they said it was "very zerg-y", but then DB goes ahead and says that any race themes are simply perceived and not really backed by Blizzard. Seems a bit contradictory don't you think...? DB seems to make a lot of sense though, but that response in particular seemed very... odd to me. | ||
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Splunge
Germany925 Posts
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
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