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domovoi
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 16:06:43
October 24 2011 14:49 GMT
#1
Personally, I'm not sure what to think of this unit. Blizzard mentioned that it was the one unit that they would have trouble balancing due to its flexibility.

Here's what it does:

Cost: 200/200
It has one skill, "replicate." It is a skill of unlimited range and will turn the replicator into the target. From what I could tell, you cannot replicate more than once. Being able to replicate more than once would most likely make this unit OP.

The replicated unit gets all the skills of the target, even if they haven't been researched yet.

edit: forgot to mention that it cannot replicate massive units

I wasn't able to test whether or not you could replicate your own units.

Would it be viable to replace collossi with tanks? Terran air superiority and bioballs would be pretty pointless. Perhaps there's even a timing where you can get a sieged tank before they do.

Would it be viable to replicate an scv or drone? Unlike in SC1, it's now going to be much easier to do this given the unlimited range. Note that you do not get an additional 200 supply.

Replicate a few infestors for fungal and NP? Fungal would complement storm.

Otherwise, I don't see many other viable targets. Maybe banshees? Or the new units, like the warhound or viper. But tanks alone might make this unit pretty powerful.
VTPerfect
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States487 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 14:59:33
October 24 2011 14:58 GMT
#2
To be perfectly honest I think the best use of this unit is in conjunction with some sort of 2 base warp prism harass. the harass hopefully does some damage but the important part is gaining vision of your terran opponents SCV, using the Replicator to morph into an SCV and then gain access to quasi fixes to the real problems with Protoss IE producing ghosts to emp their ghosts, medivacs cuz your units can't heal, vikings cause you don't have an Air to Air armor bonus unit etc etc etc.

I still think this is awful cause at this point your not playing Protoss your plating Proran and Prozerg and i didnt pick Protoss to use Ran and Zerg units but its pretty much ur best bet.
Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
October 24 2011 14:59 GMT
#3
Can you replicate a hallucination? What if I replicate an infestors and then NP a replicator?
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Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
October 24 2011 15:32 GMT
#4
I see it as either a method of picking up tactical tech, or a defensive tool to get a ton of units very very quickly (like a warp), with the added cost
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FagaX
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom52 Posts
October 24 2011 15:34 GMT
#5
Didn't they say that you cannot replicate workers?
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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4558 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 15:39:01
October 24 2011 15:37 GMT
#6
Can you replicate your own units?
Can you replicate a replication?
If so, protoss will never have to pay more than 200/200 for a unit. You just make 1 and then start making replicators ...

Edit: this would make Archons, colossi and tempests cheaper. It would make void rays 50 minerals cheaper, but 50 gas more expensive so you probably wouldn't do that.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 15:43:08
October 24 2011 15:39 GMT
#7
Siege Tanks.

Terran opens with 1-1-1. You chrono out a few Replicants and build 3/4 Gates and all-in. Replicate the first siege tank that comes out, and you'll have 2 or 3 siege tanks with siege mode vs 1 siege tank without siege mode. GG.

This all-in will replace the VR all-in vs Terran. Basically Terran is going to have to open with Bio every game.
ZXRP
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa114 Posts
October 24 2011 15:39 GMT
#8
On October 25 2011 00:34 FagaX wrote:
Didn't they say that you cannot replicate workers?


No, this was answered directly by Browder and Kim in the Q&A session. You can copy workers, but the intimated that it isn't really worth it apart from getting your hands on an orbital.
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Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 15:40:21
October 24 2011 15:39 GMT
#9
You can't replicate your own units right? That would be very silly. Make collo -> make replicators, getting 200/200 collos with a free range upgrade. hah!
WrathOfAiur
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany243 Posts
October 24 2011 15:40 GMT
#10
I would replicate a scv and start building macro CCs in the lategame. I heard those mules are pretty good!!11!1
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
October 24 2011 15:40 GMT
#11
On October 25 2011 00:37 Laurens wrote:
Can you replicate your own units?
Can you replicate a replication?
If so, protoss will never have to pay more than 200/200 for a unit. You just make 1 and then start making replicators ...


It doesn't work on massive units IIRC.

As for copying your own units, at best you'll do it on immortals/void rays in case of a tech switch. The problem is that because it comes from a robo, it doesn't actually encourage tech switches at all. I'd rather it come from a gateway and only usable on your own units, so that we don't have to rely on gimmicky shit like copying a ghost to EMP enemy ghosts.
Twinmold
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden238 Posts
October 24 2011 15:40 GMT
#12
On October 25 2011 00:37 Laurens wrote:
Can you replicate your own units?
Can you replicate a replication?
If so, protoss will never have to pay more than 200/200 for a unit. You just make 1 and then start making replicators ...

Edit: this would make Archons, colossi and tempests cheaper. It would make void rays 50 minerals cheaper, but 50 gas more expensive so you probably wouldn't do that.


You can't replicate massive units.
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ZXRP
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa114 Posts
October 24 2011 15:40 GMT
#13
On October 25 2011 00:37 Laurens wrote:
Can you replicate your own units?
Can you replicate a replication?
If so, protoss will never have to pay more than 200/200 for a unit. You just make 1 and then start making replicators ...

Edit: this would make Archons, colossi and tempests cheaper. It would make void rays 50 minerals cheaper, but 50 gas more expensive so you probably wouldn't do that.


Yes you can replicate your own units. However, you cannot replicate massive units, so archons and colossi are out of the picture.
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the Universe - Carl Sagan
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 15:41:31
October 24 2011 15:41 GMT
#14
On October 25 2011 00:37 Laurens wrote:
Can you replicate your own units?
Can you replicate a replication?
If so, protoss will never have to pay more than 200/200 for a unit. You just make 1 and then start making replicators ...

Edit: this would make Archons, colossi and tempests cheaper. It would make void rays 50 minerals cheaper, but 50 gas more expensive so you probably wouldn't do that.


You can't replicate massive units.

Edit: ninja'd
Thallis
Profile Joined September 2010
United States314 Posts
October 24 2011 15:41 GMT
#15
On October 24 2011 23:58 VTPerfect wrote:
To be perfectly honest I think the best use of this unit is in conjunction with some sort of 2 base warp prism harass. the harass hopefully does some damage but the important part is gaining vision of your terran opponents SCV, using the Replicator to morph into an SCV and then gain access to quasi fixes to the real problems with Protoss IE producing ghosts to emp their ghosts, medivacs cuz your units can't heal, vikings cause you don't have an Air to Air armor bonus unit etc etc etc.

I still think this is awful cause at this point your not playing Protoss your plating Proran and Prozerg and i didnt pick Protoss to use Ran and Zerg units but its pretty much ur best bet.


Pretty much this. Whether or not this unit is balanced doesn't really matter. I play Protoss to play Protoss, and if the only way to fix the race is to give them other race's units, it seems like Blizzard's kind of out of ideas. As is I feel like PvZ will be viper wars, which seems really, really silly to me.
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Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
October 24 2011 15:42 GMT
#16
Saddening

Replicating a DT if you open robo and they DT rush would be pretty hilarious.
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
October 24 2011 15:42 GMT
#17
On October 24 2011 23:58 VTPerfect wrote:
To be perfectly honest I think the best use of this unit is in conjunction with some sort of 2 base warp prism harass. the harass hopefully does some damage but the important part is gaining vision of your terran opponents SCV, using the Replicator to morph into an SCV and then gain access to quasi fixes to the real problems with Protoss IE producing ghosts to emp their ghosts, medivacs cuz your units can't heal, vikings cause you don't have an Air to Air armor bonus unit etc etc etc.

I still think this is awful cause at this point your not playing Protoss your plating Proran and Prozerg and i didnt pick Protoss to use Ran and Zerg units but its pretty much ur best bet.

This will never work. You have to go down the protoss and terran tech trees at once. Investment in production/tech is going to put you far behind in army. Maybe in a very late game scenario I can see it working... but at that point you might as well replicate the ghosts.
Kon-Tiki
Profile Joined February 2011
United States402 Posts
October 24 2011 15:42 GMT
#18
On October 25 2011 00:37 Laurens wrote:
Can you replicate your own units?
Can you replicate a replication?
If so, protoss will never have to pay more than 200/200 for a unit. You just make 1 and then start making replicators ...

Edit: this would make Archons, colossi and tempests cheaper. It would make void rays 50 minerals cheaper, but 50 gas more expensive so you probably wouldn't do that.


All of those units are massive, and you can't replicate massive units. To my knowledge, that's the only limit though
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5226 Posts
October 24 2011 15:43 GMT
#19
Replicating an SCV and building Orbitals would be worth it. They can lift off and make Mules.
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
October 24 2011 15:44 GMT
#20
On October 25 2011 00:42 Yaotzin wrote:
Saddening

Replicating a DT if you open robo and they DT rush would be pretty hilarious.


LOL, I didn't even think of that.
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