EPTOn October 22 2011 01:05 TriZen wrote:
Time to pull some marines into my banelings <3
Time to pull some marines into my banelings <3
That could prove to be the most cost ineffective way to kill a marine.
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
That could prove to be the most cost ineffective way to kill a marine. | ||
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
On October 23 2011 14:08 nazdrovie wrote: Yeah well thats like, your opinion, man. Yes it is, I never said it was fact. If the only thing you dislike about the mothership is vortex and how powerfull it is with a deathball, then why not agree on changing / replacing that spell instead of removing the unit completely? The only thing I LIKE about the mothership is recall. Basically the only reason to get the mothership is for cloak and vortex which just augment the deathball and make it waayyyy more powerful and that's what I don't like. | ||
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Paper117
United States210 Posts
On October 23 2011 14:03 nazdrovie wrote: Terran having an opening made me laugh, wouldn't adding a massive hero unit to zerg be a more sensible option for Heart of the swarm than adding yet another unit to the already overloaded terran arsenal? I'm sorry but I don't see any justification for the removal of two abilities along with the mothership when they could take the opportunity to change and fix what might be wrong with it. By opening, I meant they had a flawed unit that was being scrapped, that they instead reworked. Zerg had an equivalent opening I guess in reworking ultras as a flawed unit, but they reworked it in a different way. Yes, it's an addition of a hero thor to their arsenal, but it also comes with the removal of the current thor. In that regard it's a one for one trade, not actually adding units to the terran arsenal. If anything, it removes a unit from conventional play, as the thor will not likely be used as often. The warhound is an additional unit that also reworks the thor, but it's inclusion along with the shredder don't make the Terran kit relatively any bigger, as the other races also got new units You're assuming that Blizzard would want to give Zerg special treatment for this expansion just because the campaign features them? I don't think that's what they intended, though looking at these units, it's getting harder to believe that. : ( Also, Recall wasn't removed from the Protoss kit. It was actually made more readily available. Vortex and the mass cloak are gone, which sucks a bit, but I don't think the Protoss will be hard pressed without them. Though none of them are really gone yet. They actually still have the opportunity to change and fix what's wrong with the mothership. | ||
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nazdrovie
27 Posts
On October 23 2011 14:20 happyness wrote: The only thing I LIKE about the mothership is recall. Basically the only reason to get the mothership is for cloak and vortex which just augment the deathball and make it waayyyy more powerful and that's what I don't like. This is wrong, motherships are currently used for recall, mass cloack and vortex. Recall in it's current form is already very potent which is why i don't understand why they'd buff it so much and make it available with no tech. Mass cloak is one of the iconic protoss abilities and is most likely going to come back with arbiters in LotV if the mothership is taken out, so what do you prefer, one single unit with mass cloak or several arbiters across the map? Vortex can be reworked. | ||
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nazdrovie
27 Posts
On October 23 2011 14:26 Paper117 wrote: By opening, I meant they had a flawed unit that was being scrapped, that they instead reworked. Zerg had an equivalent opening I guess in reworking ultras as a flawed unit, but they reworked it in a different way. Yes, it's an addition of a hero thor to their arsenal, but it also comes with the removal of the current thor. In that regard it's a one for one trade, not actually adding units to the terran arsenal. If anything, it removes a unit from conventional play, as the thor will not likely be used as often. The warhound is an additional unit that also reworks the thor, but it's inclusion along with the shredder don't make the Terran kit relatively any bigger, as the other races also got new units No because the thor was already replaced by the warhound which is arguably way better than the thor, they don't need two replacements for the price of one unit do they? You're assuming that Blizzard would want to give Zerg special treatment for this expansion just because the campaign features them? I don't think that's what they intended, though looking at these units, it's getting harder to believe that. : ( I'm not assuming that blizzard should give Zerg special treatement, I'm saying they seem to be giving terran special treatement by adding a hero unit to their already complete arsenal, if anything they should be treating all races equally by adding one for terran and zerg or scrapping the idea completely. Also, Recall wasn't removed from the Protoss kit. It was actually made more readily available. Vortex and the mass cloak are gone, which sucks a bit, but I don't think the Protoss will be hard pressed without them. Though none of them are really gone yet. They actually still have the opportunity to change and fix what's wrong with the mothership. The insane buff to mass recall is precisely what worries me, as it is obviously far too powerfull in it's current state and most probably will be nerfed to the ground before release. Mass recall isn't broken, so why "fix" it? | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5226 Posts
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AutomatonOmega
United States706 Posts
On October 23 2011 14:20 happyness wrote: Yes it is, I never said it was fact. The only thing I LIKE about the mothership is recall. Basically the only reason to get the mothership is for cloak and vortex which just augment the deathball and make it waayyyy more powerful and that's what I don't like. Looks like Blizzard agreed with you. Although, IMO dropping chronoboost and the defensive pulse thing to pool Nexus energy for repeated recalls strengthens the deathball mechanic immeasurably. Someone attacks your 3rd or 4th? Bring the entire fucking ball to protect it. That was a decoy? Crush that meager army and recall to the real target. Idgy pidgy. | ||
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AutomatonOmega
United States706 Posts
On October 23 2011 14:45 BronzeKnee wrote: Interestingly it could be the Sentry that saves Protoss. Unless the Warhound is considered a massive unit it won't be able to break forcefields, and this could be the saving grace against Terran Mech for Protoss, just dividing up a force of Terran units bit by bit. Warhound GtG range is 7 currently. Chances are they could still pick out the sentries from behind the forcefields quite easily. On October 23 2011 14:45 BronzeKnee wrote: Mutalisks also get a hard counter in the Tempest, and this makes Phoenixes pretty worthless in general in PvZ. The new Zerg artillery unit is interesting, but probably Colossus fodder. Not really. Have a huge swarm of phoenixes and a single Tempest go to the zerg's mineral line. ALL phoenixes lift everything, Tempest AoEs it all down rapidly. Very efficient harass. And a single Oracle being brought with to nullify ground defenses ensures the air units' safety. This also works in a deathball capacity too, like Protoss needed any help in that area, lmao. | ||
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
On October 23 2011 14:45 BronzeKnee wrote: In PvZ, we can see Colossus being sucked into swarms by Vipers, only to have the Protoss replicate the Viper and pull it right back. Would be pretty odd. I lol'd. The Viper pulling the colossus looks ridiculous as is, and with the replicant pulling it too.... then back to the viper..... You bring up some interesting issues with TvZ also. HotS could change up the MU entirely, which would be unfortunate because I think it's really good as is. | ||
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Ikidomari
Australia485 Posts
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Soulish
Canada1403 Posts
On October 23 2011 13:33 PermaScrub wrote: LOGIC! Because thors do so well against brood lords when terrans go mech. :/ LOGIC! Because brood lords are massive :/ and I guarantee you 1 tempest will beat 1 bl. lol. | ||
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AutomatonOmega
United States706 Posts
On October 23 2011 14:54 Justicejimzor wrote: Calling it now, proxy nexus recalls entire protoss army to enemy main :D Vast majority of the time this functions as a glorified proxy pylon. Problem is, 400 minerals, gotta wait the entire length of time for the warp-in and then gotta wait for 75 energy on said nexus. Maybe if you're going to literally steal his natural. Proly won't work vZ and definitely won't vT. Dunno whether it would or not vP. | ||
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tsuxiit
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GloryOfAiur
United States127 Posts
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
On October 22 2011 10:56 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Thats fun until they emp it with one of their 10 ghosts. Replicate one ghost, EMP the 10 enemy ghosts. GG | ||
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AutomatonOmega
United States706 Posts
On October 23 2011 15:03 GloryOfAiur wrote: So is Swarm Host like a cloaked Brood Lord except it does not attack? More like a burrowed Infestor that produces a bunch of high DPS melee units at set intervals for free rather than costing energy. They don't, however, move while burrowed. Not sure if they make more than two locusts each or not, I'd have to double check that. On October 23 2011 15:04 carloselcoco wrote: Replicate one ghost, EMP the 10 enemy ghosts. GG This, to me, highlights the biggest problem with the replicant. Yeah, it can be anything it can see, supposedly reduced in its effectiveness by its cost (Which really is high) but, there are reasons classes of unit belong to one race but not others, certain ridiculously overpowered combinations like toss aoe + infestors are just sick and well worth the cost. The end result would possibly be simply not to ever make infestors vs Protoss as a form of preemptive tactical denial, and that's sorta counterintuitive IMO. | ||
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DjRetro
Chile309 Posts
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ArcLiTe
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My question is how does the tempest ground attack fare against mass marines? If marines still hard counter that unit then its just as useless as a replacement than the carrier ever was. Replicant : This unit concept is a little bit too much. Oracle: This is a big joke of a harasser that cant kill one single worker ever. | ||
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NoisyNinja
United States991 Posts
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