EPTOn October 22 2011 06:53 Ordained wrote:
Move scan to the Raven and Welcome to Zerg.
Move scan to the Raven and Welcome to Zerg.
Remove larva inject from the game, welcome to Terran.
New HotS Units/Abilities in Blizzcon - Page 183
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Blizzard_torments_me
Romania199 Posts
Remove larva inject from the game, welcome to Terran. | ||
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hocash
United States82 Posts
On October 22 2011 06:50 Andytaker wrote: No 3rd untill spire finishes? Protoss will rush to dt and expand like crazy due to the mapcontrol or just make suicide dts to kill all spores :/ this just doesnt seem right. You Get Spire Around 10 mins ready, But Toss gets Obsever so much faster ad Terran Has Scan Fastest DTs come out is 7:30 - if you're scouting correctly you'll see it coming as he has almost no gas units. Attack at 6:30 and it's auto gg if he opens dt. If he warps in sentries...well that just means he won't have dts for a while longer. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On October 22 2011 06:55 ClysmiC wrote: Yeah the loss of the carrier is going to COMPLETELY shift the metagame in all 3 matchups. But he's right on one point though. Protoss lost two units to gain three, Zerg loses one to gain two, seems fair. Terran on the other hand, loses nothing to gain two plus a transforming mode. Because they didn't have enough units already. | ||
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
On October 22 2011 06:57 vol_ wrote: Kerrigan sounds a lot like Tricia Helfer in this trailer, anyone know who the voice actor is? Tricia Helfer  | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On October 22 2011 06:56 Za7oX wrote: Scans? How are we supposed to scout? Imo there must be some other way they will let zerg scout. Hopefully base overlord speed is increased . You're a Genius i never thought of that until now. Zerg just lost their Early/Mid Game Scout (The Overseer) (Until Overlord Speed) Don't say sack slow overlord Cause most of the time its too slow to even scout anything; before getting picked off | ||
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Skyro
United States1823 Posts
The changes definitely have a very "streamlined" feel to them. edit: I love a lot of the cool spells added on protoss too. Clearly harassment and harassment defense was a big issue for protoss and it looks like they are attempting to address that. | ||
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
On October 22 2011 06:54 amazingxkcd wrote: why cant they just give the ovies detections themselves? At lair yes. Not straight up from the start. Or there would never be any chance of early dt's doing anything. | ||
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kcdc
United States2311 Posts
Hey, I'll take all the help I can get against lings (it'll also help against roach/ling all-ins), but if it damaged stalkers, you might actually see expansions in PvP. | ||
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On October 22 2011 06:56 Kaitlin wrote: It can't replicate massive units, and Colossus are massive. However, it does grant the opportunity to go balls deep into a new tech patch as soon as that first unit hits, such as an instant army of void rays when the first pops. Or how about an instant army of Seige Tanks in PvT ? To clone units, they have to be in super close range dont they? I can think of many situations where it would be useful, but if you were planning on cloning ghosts to EMP the terran payer, don't get your hopes up. I'll be it's pretty difficult in practice. | ||
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acrimoneyius
United States983 Posts
On October 22 2011 06:56 sGs.Kal_rA wrote: Okay, sc2 was fun [= Back to bw for me now!! YEYEYEEE Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Seriously sick of nerds complaining about a game they haven't even played yet. | ||
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Klyberess
Sweden345 Posts
Great. | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
Almost all the units have abilities, in the perfect of worlds more abilities would make better games due to more micro needed. Problem is: Starcraft II is to fast in the sense that units clump up etc. so all the micro makes for unstable battles... much like Terran versus Zerg where missed fungal = zerg loses, perfect fungle = terran loses. More abilities makes for more chances of this happening. | ||
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alan25
United States379 Posts
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mr.reee
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Sakray
France2198 Posts
Holy shit, zerg new ones looks so OP (movable burrowed banelings, srsly WHAT THE FUCK), terrans maybe standard, but protoss...they seem so useless... I was hugely expecting this follow-up, now I'm hugely disappointed... | ||
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ClysmiC
United States2192 Posts
On October 22 2011 06:57 Blizzard_torments_me wrote: Remove larva inject from the game, welcome to Terran. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Make terran have to decide between making units or making drones. Welcome to Zerg. Oh wait, Terrans would still have mules. Nevermind. :3 | ||
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On October 22 2011 06:58 Za7oX wrote: At lair yes. Not straight up from the start. Or there would never be any chance of early dt's doing anything. Agreed. Every race should have to work up to detection. I still think terran scans are a bit early for my taste. | ||
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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
On October 22 2011 06:57 ZenithM wrote: But he's right on one point though. Protoss lost two units to gain three, Zerg loses one to gain two, seems fair. Terran on the other hand, loses nothing to gain two plus a transforming mode. Because they didn't have enough units already. We semi-lose thor The hellion is basically, the hellion... Doubt that the hellion will co-exist with that hellion transformer. The goliath thingy seems cool, we needed something for mech. That's pretty much what everybody have been asking for (personally I hate mech but it says that they're good vs tanks so perhaps some bio with that unit to break siege lines will be good?). The third unit seems really cool imo, for harassment mainly. Dunno if that's what we needed but we'll see how it plays out. No way of telling right now tbh. | ||
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ruhrohraggy
United States20 Posts
On October 22 2011 06:47 Glacial wrote: lol, maybe learn the timings and make a couple spores? i.e. the old fashioned way? Also, Hellions are used to by Terran to gain early map control and limit Zerg movement for a short while, why shouldn't DTs be able to be used in the same way? ^^ Because 4 Hellions don't suddenly make it impossible to take a 3rd. Because Spore Crawlers can't be placed in places where there is no creep. Because, unlike Terran Orbital Commands, Zerg does not have any form of mobile detection until Lair. And in HotS it will come with Vipers, which will be waaaay too late for DTs. It simply won't be possible to take a 3rd against a FFE build going for early DTs because you won't have Lair to poop creep at the 3rd to make a Spore Crawler or to make an Overseer. I can't see why people are not grasping this, it's not that complicated. If the game was released tomorrow this would be a HUGE problem. I'm not QQing, but I am suggesting things will be changed (for all races, and) to allow Zerg to get detection at a reasonable time whether it means Lair takes less time to morph, Overseers are back in, etc. Hell, WoL changed a lot in beta. I'm just amazed that people are confused about this :/ | ||
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InvalidID
United States1050 Posts
On October 22 2011 06:56 Kaitlin wrote: It can't replicate massive units, and Colossus are massive. However, it does grant the opportunity to go balls deep into a new tech patch as soon as that first unit hits, such as an instant army of void rays when the first pops. Or how about an instant army of Seige Tanks in PvT ? From the list of changes at PCGamer it says they will be expensive, so presumably this would not be a particularly cost effective way of tech switching, but could possibly be useful for some kind of specific late game tech switch I guess, like a big swell of void rays to stop a brood lord advance. | ||
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