EPTIs the « spoiler fear » hurting E-sports ? - Page 15
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We are currently talking about this issue in the mod forum. We take this issue very seriously, and want to find the best way to serve those who want faster results, and those that don't wish to be spoiled. | ||
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r_con
United States824 Posts
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Copenap
723 Posts
SC2 fans are spread all over the world over different timezones and fans can't watch everything live. Furthermore watching Vods is a crucial part of following e sports, spoilering the results on the frontpage would only lead to less people watching the vods afterwards. I just don't see the benefit of a big fat image saying "X won MLG Y" on the front page. I would even go as far as if in the future regular sports broadcast shifts more and more towards the internet as I would expect it to do, spoiler-free sports sites will become quite common if they also serve as a platform for the vods. Of course there will always be these sports portals where you'll find only results, but TL is more then that, it's the major hub for everything. A lot of people come here just to find the vods for there dreamhack or mlg. Spoilers should stay in the threads they belong meaning live reports, fan club threads and such. That said, "spoilers hurt e-sports". More spoilers, less views. e-sports is not Football or any other "regular" sports. Different habits and "culture". | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On October 13 2011 05:20 fastfake wrote: I so agree.. Victories should be celebrated. You can always go watch the game later on just like you could with a football match, beeing told the winner doesn't ruin the actual match IMO. Yeah i strongly agree as well. If you REALLY dont want to know the result there are always ways to avoid it. | ||
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Antithesis
Germany1186 Posts
As for me, I'd really appreciate an up-to-date front page with all recent results of importance. I don't care about being spoilt - and if I did, I just wouldn't visit an e-sport news page in the first place. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On October 13 2011 05:20 lololol wrote: For example you can put the forums as your TL bookmark, or a starting page with no news can be created for this purpose. you mean starting page for tl with no news? That would be a spoiler-free main page, which is already the case. my thoughts are just that the insta-coverage page shouldn't be main page. Largely because I don't think tl will have the staff to do everything insta-covered with high enough quality to ensure different events get covered equally (people will complain about coverage of IPL/OSL/MSL/Proleague/GSTL/MLG/ESWC/NASL not being equal to others) and it'd be better if tl just didn't try to main page tournament results for that purpose. That's my opinion on the matter. make the insta-coverage be a separate section, or just a thread in community or featured news for an event so things don't get buried in live report, and just have thread title be "[tournament name] news page" or whatever. | ||
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deadmau
960 Posts
On October 13 2011 00:59 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I agree with the OP. I'm against censoring open discussion of results for the sake of a few odd people who are "victims" of spoilers. Their habits are weird enough for the rest of us to not care about them and they are obviously the minority. If they want a web site where results aren't openly discussed, they should make their own little niche web site and leave this one alone. I definitely agree with the OP too. I'm an avid fan of information, through news sites, sports sites, tech, TL, etc. It boggles my mind how everything needs to be censored to protect a few people from their weird issue with getting spoiled. These are competitions, people want the results. So what, SC2 is not traditional spots, but you guys don't need to rag on it and say it's format is junk and for "joe-schmoe's." I love sc2, i love sports, don't shit on either because you prefer one. Sure I'm competent enough to go search for the results, most of the time it's easy, sometimes wtf I gotta dig for this...what? It really sucks starting to get excited and amp'd when the news articles that pop up are for tourneys and events weeks ago. So a lot of people here don't want the hype killed, well if the articles you read are old, then the hype is crap anyway. If you miss an event then you miss an event, we can't watch everything. But if an event is to be truly spectacular you want to be in the NOW. I don't want to find out what team won weeks later just because I missed it live. We are in 2011, information comes now. If you don't like it avoid the internet. I don't want to read about old tournaments when I want to find the results of the one that just passed, I feel results on TL FP are way too late. Having information for everyone to promote discussion is good, you develop a lot of hype along the way, a lot of drama. Again most brained individuals can find it with search, but to really get this mother fucking eSports ball rolling, sometimes we gotta step outside our comfort zone!! Up-to-Date Results on TL Homepage, yes please! | ||
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A Wet Shamwow
United States1590 Posts
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Assymptotic
United States552 Posts
On October 13 2011 00:51 Paperplane wrote: 61.3% of statistics on the internet are made up. You may not care about spoilers but others do. Well, the polls indicate that the guy you quoted is closer to the truth than expected. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3383 Posts
But i still want to give Teamliquid mad props for making a spoiler free website, much different from all the others, like GosuGamers. I don't really know what i want. As TL is a site i can't live without, but would have to if i didn't want to get spoiled. | ||
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theherder2
United States538 Posts
On October 13 2011 05:05 Shichibukai wrote: I don't get it. First paragraph you talk about helping the e-sports scene grow, but in the second you want a part of the community to "go away". Don't you realize that a move like this would alienate a huge group of people, making the e-sports scene shrink? I'm not, and am never going to, complain "every single time someone mentions a tiny thing about a game that already happened", I just don't see the point of putting the results on the front page (unless there's an active opt-in to get the article to show). The two paragraphs share the same sentiment, this part of the community is "holding back" the growth of the scene by showing massive disapproval for any sort of celebration of large wins or victories for the players we care about. Yes, theres a ton of OMGGGG GEEGEEEE moments in LR threads but those are lost in hundreds of pages of celebrating an entire day's worth of competiton. If there was a banner post celebrating IPL3 saying "STEPHANO GETS LUCKY!" and a celebratory photograph, it would be a welcome discussion onto how well he did, his strategies, etc. Now whenever we feel the need to discuss something about his efforts it has to be in SC2 General or Strats under the title *SPOILER* Stephano's strategy. Can't you see the huge difference there? IMO it just lessens the victory and the excitement post-match. Its like the times after something amazing happens and you want to let out a big woop and start talking excitedly about what just happened, and theres someone standing there going SHHHH i haven't seen it yet, have respect for me.  | ||
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short
Sweden148 Posts
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Copenap
723 Posts
On October 13 2011 05:31 deadmau wrote: I definitely agree with the OP too. I'm an avid fan of information, through news sites, sports sites, tech, TL, etc. It boggles my mind how everything needs to be censored to protect a few people from their weird issue with getting spoiled. These are competitions, people want the results. So what, SC2 is not traditional spots, but you guys don't need to rag on it and say it's format is junk and for "joe-schmoe's." I love sc2, i love sports, don't shit on either because you prefer one. Sure I'm competent enough to go search for the results, most of the time it's easy, sometimes wtf I gotta dig for this...what? It really sucks starting to get excited and amp'd when the news articles that pop up are for tourneys and events weeks ago. So a lot of people here don't want the hype killed, well if the articles you read are old, then the hype is crap anyway. If you miss an event then you miss an event, we can't watch everything. But if an event is to be truly spectacular you want to be in the NOW. I don't want to find out what team won weeks later just because I missed it live. We are in 2011, information comes now. If you don't like it avoid the internet. I don't want to read about old tournaments when I want to find the results of the one that just passed, I feel results on TL FP are way too late. Having information for everyone to promote discussion is good, you develop a lot of hype along the way, a lot of drama. Again most brained individuals can find it with search, but to really get this mother fucking eSports ball rolling, sometimes we gotta step outside our comfort zone!! Up-to-Date Results on TL Homepage, yes please! But you do realise that the awesome tl post tournament write ups wouldn't be suddenly done within an hour or something? All we would get from this is a head line with a link to the tournament thread as that's basicly all you got and need for information and discussions sake that soon after a tournament finished. @Tyler: Judging from the way you put your oppinion you probably don't care about my weird oppinion but I reply anyways. I don't see how a spoiler-free policy censores discussion, discuss the results in the tournament thread where they belong. If it's a more specific discussion put a spoiler tag in front of the new thread title. As this topic has come up before, maybe the tl staff should release a statement how this will be dealt with in the future, seeing that a big majority wants spoilers I can only accept that, if that will be the result and deal with it. In no way will it stop me from visiting tl. Edit: To put my views into perspective, I barely ever watch vods anymore due to lack of time but just get the results from the tournament threads. But I do understand people wanting to watch everything within a couple of days after a tournament without getting spoiled by casually browsing tl in a moment of free time. | ||
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
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Shichibukai
Sweden355 Posts
On October 13 2011 05:39 theherder2 wrote: The two paragraphs share the same sentiment, this part of the community is "holding back" the growth of the scene by showing massive disapproval for any sort of celebration of large wins or victories for the players we care about. Yes, theres a ton of OMGGGG GEEGEEEE moments in LR threads but those are lost in hundreds of pages of celebrating an entire day's worth of competiton. If there was a banner post celebrating IPL3 saying "STEPHANO GETS LUCKY!" and a celebratory photograph, it would be a welcome discussion onto how well he did, his strategies, etc. Now whenever we feel the need to discuss something about his efforts it has to be in SC2 General or Strats under the title *SPOILER* Stephano's strategy. Can't you see the huge difference there? IMO it just lessens the victory and the excitement post-match. Its like the times after something amazing happens and you want to let out a big woop and start talking excitedly about what just happened, and theres someone standing there going SHHHH i haven't seen it yet, have respect for me. I see the difference, sure, but you value your right to express your excitement and celebration higher than my right to enjoy the actual game. That, I don't agree with. But, it's not just a matter of black or white. Several people have come up with great ideas in the thread already. Make it optional, make a huge article on recent news and results, there's plenty of ways to keep everyone happy. On October 13 2011 05:46 short wrote: I fully agree with the OP. It's not hard to avoid getting spoiled, and personally I find the dozen angry posts that follow a spoiler to be far more annoying than the spoiler itself. It's not hard right now, but if the proposed change went through it would be extremely hard if not impossible to find many smaller/less known cups. You might know the url of gomtv.net by heart, but for many small weekly/random events you'd normally first go to teamliquid.net to find the stream/vod link. On October 13 2011 05:47 Offhand wrote: People who don't want to see recent tournament results probably shouldn't be on a website that discusses such things. What else do you expect people to talk about on TL/similar sites? For real? The TL of today is a multifaceted site which seems to flourish quite nicely without results on the front page, don't you think? Personally, I visit TL more for the pre-game hype, predictions, in-depth articles on the Korean scene, player interviews, LR threads than the post-game hype and results. That's 5 things alone, all of which I wouldn't have access to if TL would spoil results.  | ||
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Copenap
723 Posts
On October 13 2011 05:47 Offhand wrote: People who don't want to see recent tournament results probably shouldn't be on a website that discusses such things. What else do you expect people to talk about on TL/similar sites? You can talk about it in the appropriat thread, what would a news head line add to this? | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
For any new visitor to TL, do you really think they can look at the front page and see "STEPHANO WINS IPL?!" Nah, they just see a bunch of random news, and for a new user to sift through all of that and need to randomly and miraculously find a spoilered text in some thread saying who won...not the best idea imo. Most of the time people care about watching the games more than "who won" but maybe that's personal preference. As usual though, if people do not want to be spoiled they simply should not read the site because regardless of whether it's on the front page or not, it's possible to get spoiled if someone is looking for the results... so OP has a good point imo, it'd be better if you could actually see the results of friggin tournaments that just went on. It's ludicrous to hide the fact that someone just won a $30,000 first place in a tournament...imagine the difference when a user loads up the site and sees that, they're thinking "oh shit, this game is really big" compared to just assuming it's a game that randomly has a few dollars here and there... | ||
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Clank
United States548 Posts
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Nesto
Switzerland1318 Posts
- GSL runs at 5:10 AM and 11:10 AM. - NASL and IPL at 3 AM - West Coast MLG's start at 7PM and run for like 10 hours oh boy, am I glad that I'm not one of those scant few Central Europeans weirdos on Teamliquid, who don't stay up to watch everything live or don't watch GSL during work. I also love being spoiled, I mean, where's the fun in being surprised by a comeback win or something.. | ||
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guN-viCe
United States687 Posts
I visit TL everyday too.. | ||
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