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We are currently talking about this issue in the mod forum. We take this issue very seriously, and want to find the best way to serve those who want faster results, and those that don't wish to be spoiled. | ||
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1st_Panzer_Div.
United States621 Posts
How cool would it be if we could have it be more like march madness, with great short news blips about crazy upsets and great close games. Moving away from spoilers would probably help the live scene as well, as you have a greater motiviation to watch the event live instead of whenever on your own time. | ||
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Tears.Of.The.Moon
Slovenia715 Posts
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Shichibukai
Sweden355 Posts
On October 13 2011 04:29 drcatellino wrote: Why are you ignoring the suggestion I made in OP about an alternate TL spoilerfree page with all the VODs ? Or as some suggested, just an option to turn spoiler-news off when coming to the homepage. I think you really don’t understand the point I was trying to make in the OP. It is not just about “minor inconvenience” for the current TL users, it is about making the site user-friendly and with a lot of hype and excitement for the casual viewers/newcomers. I haven't read all the pages, and I didn't see any mention of an option to turn it off.  That's something I would support.Alternate TL spoilerfree page though, what does that mean? I'd like to be able to browse the different forums, check the livestreams, check fanclubs while still not getting spoiled by pics or titles of threads about recent results. But yeah, a toggle in your profile settings, which would show or hide certain news posts from showing up on the front page would be great. | ||
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Diversify
Canada30 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/AR8FN.png) | ||
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Sandtrout
243 Posts
The big problem with spoilers on TL is: It's not only a news site, but a place where you can easily go and find vods (or look up which games were played, so you know what to watch etc.), which are sometimes hard to find on the tournament page itself. Also it's a community site where I want to be able to go and read stuff about other topics where I don't have to fear a spoiler on the front page. Different timezones add to this, which is a difference to "normal" sport events. Those are either only popular in a restricted area (very few people from the usa would be interested in soccer games from say germany, while a lot of german starcraft fans are interested in starcraft tournaments that are held in the usa), or you don't have the possibility to rewatch the event at all (or people are simply not interested in it). Having the choice between spoilers and no spoilers would be a possibility, but it still would be a problem if you make it opt-out instead of opt-in: being on a different pc and wanting to visit TL would give you immediate and inevitable spoilers. And not everybody can always log in from the same pc (aka stay logged in). The best solution would in my opinion would be to have a news article as soon as possible after the event, while keeping the title itself and possible pictures spoilerfree. In the thread itself, it's then possible to hype it up. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
most people (52% ) think it takes ~1 or 2 days before you can assume someone getting spoiled is there own fault. So, since most people probably recognize that nobody can watch all starcraft live (especially since there are major tournaments for sc2 in korea, us, and europe; bw is exclusively korea), it's just a matter of "not giving a fuck" about spoilers to people. And frankly I find that attitude fairly disgusting. Tl.net is about multiple games, multiple communities, and people browse here all the time from work/after events finished/whatever with the full intention of watching vods soon after. TL.net is not just a news site for sc2 progaming. I for one don't want a gigantic picture of jangbi on tl.net the moment after he wins an osl finals, nor do I want a gigantic picture of stephano or whoever after winning an sc2 tournament. At least not for 24 hours of the event. Nor do I want people bitching about getting spoiled or about which results warrant front page media coverage (which will happen, I guarantee). And I don't want anyone's viewing experience ruined by spoilers. | ||
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AngelusDeLetum
United States98 Posts
On October 13 2011 04:15 zarepath wrote: There's a lot of wisdom in this. However, your analysis doesn't really address the underlying question: why shouldn't TL have AP-style instant results coverage? Why do the media outlets have to compete? Well because they want the viewers to come to their site first. We already come to TL first. For TL to stay alive and survive any competitors that may spring up(which is entirely feasible if esports explodes) and for the esports industry to become as big as we want it, we need to think big. Bottom line is everyone wants results extremely fast, and who are we to expect any different when every other major sports industry gets it. May also be a logistical thing with manpower inside TL... although i dont know How can you not compare this to mainstream sports when they are billion dollar industry and are so popular? One of Korea's main pastimes is SC BW. Theres no reason to not make the comparison. | ||
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
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Goshdarnit
United States540 Posts
But yes, when someone wins GSL, MLG, IPL, NASL please put on the front page. It would be helping E-Sports. | ||
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
So yea i'd really like it if the result of a tournament was on the frontpage. | ||
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Shichibukai
Sweden355 Posts
On October 13 2011 04:48 Goshdarnit wrote: Yes but only at the end of said tournament, for the love of god do not spoil rounds before finals because people like me miss said games often and catch up on the season before finals. But yes, when someone wins GSL, MLG, IPL, NASL please put on the front page. It would be helping E-Sports. With a 24 hour delay or something, okay? Give the people who were at work/sleep/school a chance to watch the VODs. On October 13 2011 04:51 Deadlyfish wrote: Yes. People are way too sensitive to spoilers. I mean, if you dont want to know the result of a Starcraft tournament then maybe you shouldnt go on a Starcraft website, pretty simple right? So yea i'd really like it if the result of a tournament was on the frontpage. It's not up to you to decide how "sensitive" others are allowed to be for spoilers. Go to rakaka if you want results.  As has been stated before, Teamliquid is the #1 site for everything Starcraft related, it's not just a news feed of recent tournament results. We come here to watch streams, discuss/predict games and more. | ||
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
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Marcus420
Canada1923 Posts
also, when do they ever post who wins on the homepage or anything? It takes a few days for a well done article to be written. Its up to you too not go to these threads; or just dont come on tl? results are always in their LR thread. If people create threads then usually they are closed right away. | ||
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alwaid
United States96 Posts
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Influ
Germany780 Posts
On October 13 2011 04:43 epoc wrote: Omg another "Is x hurting esports?" Yea, this starts to hurt me physically when i read it but I have to say this spoiler stuff really annoys me but as long as it's just a bit more effort for some people and more enjoyment for a minority it's ok I guess. | ||
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lastGame
Canada26 Posts
All the people saying this shouldnt happen. If there was a TL portal where the "NEWS" part doesn't show, I think they can just use that to browse instead. All the hype over events can just happen in threads associated with news or something. I watch lot's of hockey too and half the fun is the post-game hype after something amazing/unexpected happens. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
just a couple posts ago i talked about stephano winning ipl finals vs jangbi winning osl finals and how I want neither of those spoiled; that's actually a poor comparison. One is a major finals hyped up for days/weeks ahead of time. One was a result of a single tournament on a single day (well, quarterfinals - finals or w/e). If anyone out there wanted to watch the whole quarterfinal through finals run in vod form (due to being busy irl or just inconvenience of time zone) then saying "OMG X WONNNN!!!!!!" can ruin it quite a bit. "Large" tournaments with more pre-hype times make more sense to be able to spoil (nhl, superbowl, world cup finals, proleague semi/grand finals, osl ro8-grand finals, msl ro8-grand finals, gstl grandfinals) since it is fairer to say "well, it's your fault for not avoiding spoilers or not watching it live" since you knew well in advance when the event was happening and what it entailed. but at the same time it'll make you (likely) angrier if you get spoiled in advance, especially if you were hyped. if a live tournament makes interesting results (stephano wins vs koreans let's say) then insta-spoiling that does more damage than spoiling something a person could have expected. You don't even give people a chance. | ||
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theherder2
United States538 Posts
On October 13 2011 04:41 N.geNuity wrote: weird that these poll results are so skewed. contrast with something like this http://www.teamliquid.net/poll/index.php?poll_id=409. most people (52% ) think it takes ~1 or 2 days before you can assume someone getting spoiled is there own fault. So, since most people probably recognize that nobody can watch all starcraft live (especially since there are major tournaments for sc2 in korea, us, and europe; bw is exclusively korea), it's just a matter of "not giving a fuck" about spoilers to people. And frankly I find that attitude fairly disgusting. Tl.net is about multiple games, multiple communities, and people browse here all the time from work/after events finished/whatever with the full intention of watching vods soon after. TL.net is not just a news site for sc2 progaming. I for one don't want a gigantic picture of jangbi on tl.net the moment after he wins an osl finals, nor do I want a gigantic picture of stephano or whoever after winning an sc2 tournament. At least not for 24 hours of the event. Nor do I want people bitching about getting spoiled or about which results warrant front page media coverage (which will happen, I guarantee). And I don't want anyone's viewing experience ruined by spoilers. The big difference between these two posts is that the TSL post is asking how long should we wait, with no option saying "instant post." This post is saying, should we wait at all. Obviously more people think instaposts would help the e-sport scene grow rather than have it be delayed. I think that if TL adopted the insta-news policy, the spoiler cryers would eventually go away. By leaving this a delicate balance then the ones who don't want spoilers are free to complain every single time someone mentions a tiny thing about a game that already happened. They just need to learn to avoid a STARCRAFT NEWS SITE if they don't actually want any starcraft NEWS. If you want to participate in general forums or whatever, bookmark straight to that. If its that important to you to avoid spoilers, take precautions yourself. Don't expect the largest english e-sports news site to coddle you. | ||
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Shichibukai
Sweden355 Posts
On October 13 2011 04:56 lastGame wrote: I watch lot's of hockey too and half the fun is the post-game hype after something amazing/unexpected happens. This hype is still present, in the Live report threads. When something amazing goes on, the thread explodes and you get 2-10 pages of OOOOMMMMMGGG. | ||
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Xevious
United States2086 Posts
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