Group A - Tuesday October 18th MVPGenius - Down from code S SlayerSPuzzle - Down from code S oGsZenio - Down from code S FXOGuMiho - Code A Ro4 NsHSSage - Code A Ro4
Group B - Wednesday October 19th MVPKeen - Down from code S HongUnPrime.WE - Down from code S FXOz - Code A Ro2 TSLJYP - Code A Ro8 SlayerSYuGiOh - Code A Ro8
Group C - Thursday October 20th MVPNoblesse - Down from code S SlayerSTaeja - Down from code S oGsTOP - Down from code S MVPsC - Code A Ro8 FXOLucky - Code A Ro8
Lol these groups are so stacked it's unbelievable. FXOLucky after his strong performance in IPL, sC who was not so long ago in the semi-final, oGsTOP august finalist, SlayerSTaeja who beat NesTea I think and has been strong, Noblesse who 3-killed in the GSTL and beat oGsMC...
And then group B with a code A finalist, the second best protoss achievements-wise (HongUn), a promising protoss JYP and a terran who beat Bomber in bo3 LOL. The weakest is YuGiOh who 2-1-ed ThorZain...
On October 10 2011 20:30 darcevader88 wrote: Group A - Tuesday October 18th MVPGenius SlayerSPuzzle oGsZenio FXOGumiho NsHSSage
Group B - Wednesday October 19th MVPKeen FXOz HongUnPrime.WE TSL.JYP SlayerSYuGiOh
Group C - Thursday October 20th MVPNoblesse SlayerSTaeja oGsTOP MVPsC FXOLucky
I can dream right?
I actually think this is pretty good:
Dunno exactly which 2 of the 3 Protoss will go on to Code S (from group A), but i think they are the favorites here. Its pretty sad for Zenio and Gumiho. A cool group of nice players.
In Group B i think HongUn and Oz will fight for the 2nd palce behind JYP. Keen and YuGiOh are just bad in comparision to the other players in the up and downs..
Group C is stacked with Top level Terrans and Lucky. I dont think Lucky will win this. Im hoping for sc, TOP and Taeja. Noblesse doesnt belong to Code S in my eyes
Haha, GOM trying so hard to allow some Protoss to advance. Group C is so obviously the "put all the dangerous Terrans here" group.
In the end, this will probably make PvP the deciding factor, which will achieve the same result as at IPL3 - "good at PvP" players advancing, and then getting rolled by Terrans and Zergs in Code S.
Gom should really just remove Bel'shir Beach and similar crap from the mappool instead of doing silly stuff like this.
On October 10 2011 20:30 darcevader88 wrote: Group A - Tuesday October 18th MVPGenius SlayerSPuzzle oGsZenio FXOGumiho NsHSSage
Group B - Wednesday October 19th MVPKeen FXOz HongUnPrime.WE TSL.JYP SlayerSYuGiOh
Group C - Thursday October 20th MVPNoblesse SlayerSTaeja oGsTOP MVPsC FXOLucky
I can dream right?
I actually think this is pretty good:
Dunno exactly which 2 of the 3 Protoss will go on to Code S (from group A), but i think they are the favorites here. Its pretty sad for Zenio and Gumiho. A cool group of nice players.
In Group B i think HongUn and Oz will fight for the 2nd palce behind JYP. Keen and YuGiOh are just bad in comparision to the other players in the up and downs..
Group C is stacked with Top level Terrans and Lucky. I dont think Lucky will win this. Im hoping for sc, TOP and Taeja. Noblesse doesnt belong to Code S in my eyes
Lucky just had to show off his ZvT at IPL, chances are all the terrans will be prepared for his early aggression. On the other hand he only has to practice one matchup.
How are these groups determined? Seems kinda dumb to have a bunch of terrans in one group and a bunch of toss in others. I like to see diverse groups for more match up combinations.
Group A MVPGenius SlayerSPuzzle oGsZenio FXOGuMiho NsHSSage
Group B MVPKeen FXOz HongUnPrime.WE TSLJYP SlayerSYuGiOh
Group C MVPNoblesse SlayerSTaeja oGsTOP MVPsC FXOLucky
I might be a MVP fanboy, but a boy can dream right?
Group A: Gumiho looked really solid against Z in WCG and should be able to get 1 win from a Protoss. Genius really showed that he is good, when he decided to win the GSTL Semi Finals for MVP.
Group B: Keen should be able to take that Group, if he practices for P, same for YuGiOh.
Group C: Noblesse played so impressively in the GSTL Finals, i have to pick him here. Top is a really good at TvT, sadly for him not at TvMVP, and could not have been put into a better group.
On October 10 2011 20:30 darcevader88 wrote: Group A - Tuesday October 18th MVPGenius SlayerSPuzzle oGsZenio FXOGumiho NsHSSage
Group B - Wednesday October 19th MVPKeen FXOz HongUnPrime.WE TSL.JYP SlayerSYuGiOh
Group C - Thursday October 20th MVPNoblesse SlayerSTaeja oGsTOP MVPsC FXOLucky
I can dream right?
I actually think this is pretty good:
Dunno exactly which 2 of the 3 Protoss will go on to Code S (from group A), but i think they are the favorites here. Its pretty sad for Zenio and Gumiho. A cool group of nice players.
In Group B i think HongUn and Oz will fight for the 2nd palce behind JYP. Keen and YuGiOh are just bad in comparision to the other players in the up and downs..
Group C is stacked with Top level Terrans and Lucky. I dont think Lucky will win this. Im hoping for sc, TOP and Taeja. Noblesse doesnt belong to Code S in my eyes
Oh I know they are decent picks i just feel like even when given good groups toss fail to shine
On October 10 2011 20:46 Toadvine wrote: Haha, GOM trying so hard to allow some Protoss to advance. Group C is so obviously the "put all the dangerous Terrans here" group.
In the end, this will probably make PvP the deciding factor, which will achieve the same result as at IPL3 - "good at PvP" players advancing, and then getting rolled by Terrans and Zergs in Code S.
Gom should really just remove Bel'shir Beach and similar crap from the mappool instead of doing silly stuff like this.
That's some serious stuff you're implying right there my friend. The groups are all randomly selected by players themselves as far as I know.
On October 10 2011 20:46 Toadvine wrote: Haha, GOM trying so hard to allow some Protoss to advance. Group C is so obviously the "put all the dangerous Terrans here" group.
In the end, this will probably make PvP the deciding factor, which will achieve the same result as at IPL3 - "good at PvP" players advancing, and then getting rolled by Terrans and Zergs in Code S.
Gom should really just remove Bel'shir Beach and similar crap from the mappool instead of doing silly stuff like this.
That's some serious stuff you're implying right there my friend. The groups are all randomly selected by players themselves as far as I know.
That would be some amazing luck then, because I probably couldn't have made these groups any better for the purpose of "Protoss advancing" if I tried. Maybe by swapping Gumiho with Noblesse, but that's debatable.
On October 10 2011 20:46 Toadvine wrote: Haha, GOM trying so hard to allow some Protoss to advance. Group C is so obviously the "put all the dangerous Terrans here" group.
In the end, this will probably make PvP the deciding factor, which will achieve the same result as at IPL3 - "good at PvP" players advancing, and then getting rolled by Terrans and Zergs in Code S.
Gom should really just remove Bel'shir Beach and similar crap from the mappool instead of doing silly stuff like this.
That's some serious stuff you're implying right there my friend. The groups are all randomly selected by players themselves as far as I know.
That would be some amazing luck then, because I probably couldn't have made these groups any better for the purpose of "Protoss advancing" if I tried. Maybe by swapping Gumiho with Noblesse, but that's debatable.
Please don't start with the conspiracy theory stuff. It's randomly done.
Group A I'd like for Zenio to remain in code S and the other person to make it/survive to be protoss. Realistically I expect Gumiho to stomp this group and one of the protoss to advance given how poor Zenio's vP is. Puzzle can probably PvP his way to safety here.
Group B I'm predicting Keen and JYP to come out of this group. Hongun is a slight x factor as he can be really solid or really wonky when it really counts. Though given he will be just back from MLG in time for this I'm not thinking his condition is gonna be great.
Group C Anything could happen here and I'm fond of practically the whole group. I'm gonna say Taeja and Top are the favourites but I wouldn't bet my life on them being the victors.
On October 10 2011 20:46 Toadvine wrote: Haha, GOM trying so hard to allow some Protoss to advance. Group C is so obviously the "put all the dangerous Terrans here" group.
In the end, this will probably make PvP the deciding factor, which will achieve the same result as at IPL3 - "good at PvP" players advancing, and then getting rolled by Terrans and Zergs in Code S.
Gom should really just remove Bel'shir Beach and similar crap from the mappool instead of doing silly stuff like this.
That's some serious stuff you're implying right there my friend. The groups are all randomly selected by players themselves as far as I know.
That would be some amazing luck then, because I probably couldn't have made these groups any better for the purpose of "Protoss advancing" if I tried. Maybe by swapping Gumiho with Noblesse, but that's debatable.
Please don't start with the conspiracy theory stuff. It's randomly done.
It may as well be. If it's the actual players drawing lots, then there's no real way to influence it. Still, the irony is really amusing.
On October 10 2011 20:46 Toadvine wrote: Haha, GOM trying so hard to allow some Protoss to advance. Group C is so obviously the "put all the dangerous Terrans here" group.
In the end, this will probably make PvP the deciding factor, which will achieve the same result as at IPL3 - "good at PvP" players advancing, and then getting rolled by Terrans and Zergs in Code S.
Gom should really just remove Bel'shir Beach and similar crap from the mappool instead of doing silly stuff like this.
That's some serious stuff you're implying right there my friend. The groups are all randomly selected by players themselves as far as I know.
That would be some amazing luck then, because I probably couldn't have made these groups any better for the purpose of "Protoss advancing" if I tried. Maybe by swapping Gumiho with Noblesse, but that's debatable.
Quit the conspiracy theory bullshit or keep it to yourself dude. Do you know how serious Koreans are regarding any kind of rigging? BW in Korea almost came to an end because of it, and I will not accept this kind of snide comments unless you got some conclusive proof.
In case you weren't serious, you don't joke with that kind of stuff, not now, not so soon.
On October 10 2011 20:46 Toadvine wrote: Haha, GOM trying so hard to allow some Protoss to advance. Group C is so obviously the "put all the dangerous Terrans here" group.
In the end, this will probably make PvP the deciding factor, which will achieve the same result as at IPL3 - "good at PvP" players advancing, and then getting rolled by Terrans and Zergs in Code S.
Gom should really just remove Bel'shir Beach and similar crap from the mappool instead of doing silly stuff like this.
That's some serious stuff you're implying right there my friend. The groups are all randomly selected by players themselves as far as I know.
That would be some amazing luck then, because I probably couldn't have made these groups any better for the purpose of "Protoss advancing" if I tried. Maybe by swapping Gumiho with Noblesse, but that's debatable.
Quit the conspiracy theory bullshit or keep it to yourself dude. Do you know how serious Koreans are regarding any kind of rigging? BW in Korea almost came to an end because of it, and I will not accept this kind of snide comments unless you got some conclusive proof.
In case you weren't serious, you don't joke with that kind of stuff, not now, not so soon.
Exactly. I really have a dislike for any kind of match throwing/fixing/setup jokes.
On October 10 2011 20:46 Toadvine wrote: Haha, GOM trying so hard to allow some Protoss to advance. Group C is so obviously the "put all the dangerous Terrans here" group.
In the end, this will probably make PvP the deciding factor, which will achieve the same result as at IPL3 - "good at PvP" players advancing, and then getting rolled by Terrans and Zergs in Code S.
Gom should really just remove Bel'shir Beach and similar crap from the mappool instead of doing silly stuff like this.
So you probably think that Gom asked Polt to let his teammate Killer win?
On October 10 2011 20:46 Toadvine wrote: Haha, GOM trying so hard to allow some Protoss to advance. Group C is so obviously the "put all the dangerous Terrans here" group.
In the end, this will probably make PvP the deciding factor, which will achieve the same result as at IPL3 - "good at PvP" players advancing, and then getting rolled by Terrans and Zergs in Code S.
Gom should really just remove Bel'shir Beach and similar crap from the mappool instead of doing silly stuff like this.
So you probably think that Gom asked Polt to let his teammate Killer win?
No, I don't. Still, that was some major mind screwage by Polt in those games. I'd really like to know why he thought that was a good idea. Probably some kind of elaborate mindgame based on what happened in practice.
My heart and head aren't too messed up this time. Regardless, there are a lot of players I like in this Up/Down. I think someone I like is going to fall regardless =/
I think that Oz is kinda overrated right now. He might win his pvps because he is pretty good in this matchup, but I don't see him beating either keen or yugioh.
Group C is sick, I feel like all of these guys are code s-players.
Group A - Tuesday October 18th MVPGenius SlayerSPuzzle oGsZenio FXOGumiho NsHSSage
Would really like Sage to go through but I can see him loosing to both tosses so it looks bleak, also I think Zenio has a good chance of getting through over Gumiho
Group B - Wednesday October 19th MVPKeen FXOz HongUnPrime.WE TSL.JYP SlayerSYuGiOh
Hopefully 2 toses are through these are the ones I think but JYP could go through as well
Group C - Thursday October 20th MVPNoblesse SlayerSTaeja oGsTOP MVPsC FXOLucky
3 of 5 protosses in code s go to the up and downs, at BEST you gain 1 protoss and end up with 6 in code S with those groups. You also have 3+ code S level people in the same groups. TERRIBLE groups.
This system sucks. Any system that makes it impossible for everyone who fell to the up and downs to stay in is bad. 2 people who were code S before have no chance of making it back in this time around. It may push out the weaker players faster, but it also pushes out good players too.
Those groups are pretty cool imo. Better than 2 protoss players per group and zero qualified :D Here we have Oz and JYP who have good chances to advance. The ideal would be 4 protoss + lucky and sC or Taeja or Noblesse. Which is possible without dreaming too much imo.
On October 10 2011 21:54 -Archangel- wrote: Why is everyone counting out Lucky in group C, didn't you watch him destroy korean Terrans in IPL3?
He pretty much roach all in in all of his ZvT matches... I think after all the free wins he got, other players will be prepared... if not then we have some really dumb people in korea.
On October 10 2011 23:12 Maghetti wrote: 3 of 5 protosses in code s go to the up and downs, at BEST you gain 1 protoss and end up with 6 in code S with those groups. You also have 3+ code S level people in the same groups. TERRIBLE groups.
On October 10 2011 23:19 Maghetti wrote: This system sucks. Any system that makes it impossible for everyone who fell to the up and downs to stay in is bad. 2 people who were code S before have no chance of making it back in this time around. It may push out the weaker players faster, but it also pushes out good players too.
I'd really like to hear what would be your ideal groups.
On October 10 2011 23:12 Maghetti wrote: 3 of 5 protosses in code s go to the up and downs, at BEST you gain 1 protoss and end up with 6 in code S with those groups. You also have 3+ code S level people in the same groups. TERRIBLE groups.
On October 10 2011 23:19 Maghetti wrote: This system sucks. Any system that makes it impossible for everyone who fell to the up and downs to stay in is bad. 2 people who were code S before have no chance of making it back in this time around. It may push out the weaker players faster, but it also pushes out good players too.
I'd really like to hear what would be your ideal groups.
It isn't really the groups I have a big problem with as much as it is the system. You have 8 code S players and only 6 spots moving up. I feel any fair system should make it possible for all 8 to stay.
On October 10 2011 23:12 Maghetti wrote: 3 of 5 protosses in code s go to the up and downs, at BEST you gain 1 protoss and end up with 6 in code S with those groups. You also have 3+ code S level people in the same groups. TERRIBLE groups.
On October 10 2011 23:19 Maghetti wrote: This system sucks. Any system that makes it impossible for everyone who fell to the up and downs to stay in is bad. 2 people who were code S before have no chance of making it back in this time around. It may push out the weaker players faster, but it also pushes out good players too.
I'd really like to hear what would be your ideal groups.
It isn't really the groups I have a big problem with as much as it is the system. You have 8 code S players and only 6 spots moving up. I feel any fair system should make it possible for all 8 to stay.
Personally I think it's nice to have a minimum level of player turnover also if they truly are good players that should be in code S even though they went down in up and downs they still get a code A seed, it's not like they cease to exist.
Evidence: IMMvp, good player gets demoted - makes it to code A finals
Holy shit Group C, easily the hardest up/down group ever so far Also this really looks to be arranged in such a way to guarantee some more protoss and less terran, I'm skeptical of this randomness gomTV <.< (unless they do a legit draw, in which case I feel stupid)
On October 10 2011 23:12 Maghetti wrote: 3 of 5 protosses in code s go to the up and downs, at BEST you gain 1 protoss and end up with 6 in code S with those groups. You also have 3+ code S level people in the same groups. TERRIBLE groups.
On October 10 2011 23:19 Maghetti wrote: This system sucks. Any system that makes it impossible for everyone who fell to the up and downs to stay in is bad. 2 people who were code S before have no chance of making it back in this time around. It may push out the weaker players faster, but it also pushes out good players too.
I'd really like to hear what would be your ideal groups.
my ideal groups would be no groups. just have it all play all, get two sets of casters and cast two games from each round of matches. you end up showing the same amount of games and it's fairer on everyone.
Hmm, kinda wish things were spread out more evenly, but I guess this means that there's a higher chance of non T making it to code S. Still seems like there will be around 18 or 19 next season though.
On October 11 2011 01:21 sitromit wrote: Group A: Gumiho and Puzzle Group B: Keen and Oz Group C: Two Terrans it could be any of the 4 really, maybe not Noblesse.
Sorry for Sage fans, I don't think he's gonna make it.
It is the destiny of every good protoss player to be knocked out in a pvp against a vastly inferior protoss.
It would be good to highlight the ones that were originally S and who were orignally A codes.
Surprised there are so few Zerg. Looks like next Code S season is going to be even more Terran dominated, with an Z/P numbers getting closer together, unless both Zergs take victory.
On October 11 2011 02:27 Dragar wrote: It would be good to highlight the ones that were originally S and who were orignally A codes.
Surprised there are so few Zerg. Looks like next Code S season is going to be even more Terran dominated, with an Z/P numbers getting closer together, unless both Zergs take victory.
Poor Lucky, at least he only has to practice his ZvT. And honestly, I guess we should be looking at who has the best PvP when it comes to Group A and B.
Only thing I'm confident about is that Lucky makes it through. After the way he manhandled every terran who dared step in his path at IPL, he can take this group down easy.
So sad. So many players I want to make it, but not possible given how stacked the groups are. Don't think sage will make it unless he improves his awful pvp.
Hmm.. So hard to call. A week ago I would make the calls no problem, but then all of a sudden we have a sudden re-emergence of some people through the GSTL, and we have Lucky's beast run through IPL.
Puzzle looked so awful (awful is not an exaggeration sadly) in his last GSL games that I don't know what to think. Some good could come out of these groups, are a catastrophe if no protoss make it :o
Sage has shit pvp, that's a tough group for him. I think Gumiho and Puzzle will get out of that one, maybe JYP/Oz/Keen from the other and Taeja and Top from the last one.
On October 11 2011 03:48 Nos- wrote: The number of protosses in this season's up and down is getting me pretty excited, hoping for at least some of the to advance into code A
Feels like group B is so much weaker than the other groups. I think GuMiho will win group A, and PvP will decide on whoever takes 2nd place. Lucky must be feeling really lucky, destroying MMA in IPL3, then getting put in a group with 4 terrans the next day!
Group A - Tuesday October 18th MVPGenius - Down from code S SlayerSPuzzle - Down from code S oGsZenio - Down from code S FXOGuMiho - Code A Ro4 NsHSSage - Code A Ro4
Group B - Wednesday October 19th MVPKeen - Down from code S HongUnPrime.WE - Down from code S FXOz - Code A Ro2 TSLJYP - Code A Ro8 SlayerSYuGiOh - Code A Ro8
Group C - Thursday October 20th MVPNoblesse - Down from code S SlayerSTaeja - Down from code S oGsTOP - Down from code S MVPsC - Code A Ro8 FXOLucky - Code A Ro8
Interesting. Although I kinda refuse to believe group C isn't done intentionally by GOM. Is there a specific way people are placed into groups or a public draw? Can't remember anything like that. Also doesn't seem like it since A has 3xCode S and 2xCode A ro4 while C has the same but instead of 2x ro4, there's 2x ro8. Which seems strange and random.
Would be nice if keen and gumiho didn't make it while lucky did obviously. Purely based on having a little less TvT in code s and less whining from people^^
The guys I'm cheering for on each group are: Group A - Tuesday October 18th MVP(P)Genius - Down from code S SlayerS(P)Puzzle - Down from code S oGs(Z)Zenio - Down from code S FXO(T)GuMiho - Code A Ro4 NsHS(P)Sage - Code A Ro4
Group B - Wednesday October 19th MVP(T)Keen - Down from code S (P)HongUnPrime.WE - Down from code S (P)FXOz - Code A Ro2 TSL(P)JYP - Code A Ro8 SlayerS(Z)YuGiOh - Code A Ro8
Group C - Thursday October 20th MVP(T)Noblesse - Down from code S SlayerS(T)Taeja - Down from code S oGs(T)TOP - Down from code S MVP(T)sC - Code A Ro8 FXO(Z)Lucky - Code A Ro8
While the most likely to actually proceed are:
Group A - Tuesday October 18th MVP(P)Genius - Down from code S -> Too inconsistent SlayerS(P)Puzzle - Down from code S -> Has great PvP, so will most likely beat down Sage and Genius, also pretty good at PvZ, so has a chance against Zenio oGs(Z)Zenio - Down from code S -> The only Terran he can play against is GuMiho, who is scary FXO(T)GuMiho - Code A Ro4 -> Easy win for him, especially if he abuses TvP strats. Also really solid at TvZ. NsHS(P)Sage - Code A Ro4 -> Horrible PvP.
Group B - Wednesday October 19th MVP(T)Keen - Down from code S - Keen is actually more solid when he isn't up against NaDa (P)HongUnPrime.WE - Down from code S - Inconsistent (P)FXOz - Code A Ro2 - Needs more prep-time, so no TSL(P)JYP - Code A Ro8 -> No Terrans except Keen on his group SlayerS(Z)YuGiOh - Code A Ro8 -> Welcome to Up and Down Purgatory now
Group C - Thursday October 20th MVP(T)Noblesse - Down from code S -> High Code A level. SlayerS(T)Taeja - Down from code S -> He's still a scary all-around player that had bad luck in the Code S group draws oGs(T)TOP - Down from code S -> I don't see him losing if he plays like he did on the first game against Mvp. MVP(T)sC - Code A Ro8 -> Too inconsistent now after recovering from illness. Got torn apart by the Towel Terran too. FXO(Z)Lucky - Code A Ro8 -> Great showing against the SlayerS team in IPL, but everyone will have seen his games against Terran and create counter-strategies to his play-style. Only lucky banelings will save him, unless he can pull that off over and over.
I hope so bad that Sage will advance. He and JYP have an excellent playstyle and are the coming Protoss hopes for me. Puzzle is also a very good player. Genius maybe lacks motivation to achieve a real breakthrough in Code S.
Other than that i think that Zenio is vastly underrated. He is a skilled zerg and as such has a good chance to advance in a protoss-group like that.
Group 4 is the toughest call. SC, Top, Taeja are all very good terrans, capable of taking place 1 in group. On the other hand lucky proved at IPL that he is also a force to reckon with. I would bet for TOP & SC.
Wow, at least the groups guarantee Protoss in Code S. It also looks like it's gonna minimize the amount of Terrans too. I hope this wasn't on purpose.. ><"
:\ Interesting groups to say the least. Very unfortunate group for sage, since everyone want to see him in code S. On other hand, he's likely to beat the z/t in group so results may be very weird if other tosses lose to them Like some weird 5way 2-2 wouldn't be impossible
Can only hope Lucky does as good in zvt as he did in IPL, would be awesome if only one terran went on from group3
Damnit, I looked at this thread while watching the Code A Finals VODs and didn't think of the fact that it would spoil them by listing the loser in the groups
Artosis will be heartbroken after this, he mancrush gets a pair of protoss players with strong PvP while his is meh, a terran who has turned out to be really good and the only zerg he gets is to quote jinro a f***ing boss.
On October 11 2011 05:08 CoR wrote: to bad sage have so many pvp's damn if he doesnt go code S and JYP then there will still be no top protoss players
ps: wasnt huk last his group ?
Came third in his group he beat zenio to stay in code S.
On October 10 2011 20:33 Codeskye wrote: wow 3 protosses in group a
that lessens the chance of more protoss players in code s.
i would think that this only increases their chances since you will have almost guaranteed at least one of them a spot back into code S. i mean its better than how lucky's group looks with 4 terrans and himself.
On October 10 2011 20:26 Morale wrote: Groups look really good to minimize number of terrans to code s!
That's because none of the Terrans fell into up and down, and none of them came up from Code A because they are already in Code S.
20 Terrans in Code S, 4 fell into the up/downs (which is only 1 off from the 1/4 chance to fall out). Also, Gumiho and SC both came up from Code A...
Unfortunaly a 4 Terran group C means at least 1 Terran will make it to Code S. For Protoss fans, it's too bad that all 6 Protoss are in group A and B, but them's the breaks.
Group C is brutal. I'd like to see Taeja stay in Code S and make a run next season. I think Keen will stay in Code S but I'm not sure about HongUn (though, he never ceases to surprise me with victories when it counts). Just judging by Zenio's past ZvP, it's looking pretty rough for him going into the up and down matches but I guess he only really has to practice one matchup so that might work out nicely for him.
Either way, I love seeing new talent going to Code S, so I'll be excited about next season as always.
At best we're going to have 6 protoss in Code S next season, and at worst we will have 2. It's highly likely that we will have 5 or fewer protoss in Code S next season, which means another season of not really advancing metagame =/
I'd love to see Puzzle + Sage + Oz + JYP advancing from groups A and B. Code S really needs some good Protoss, especially newer ones. (Fuck Genius and HongUn, they've been stinking up Code S for far too long.) Basically their performance is going to determine whether I buy a ticket for the next GSL.
Group C is going to have a lot of good TvT. I don't really like watching a whole series of TvT but it'll be awesome to watch six games with different player pairings.
Puzzle is code A champion and has shown really good play recently and is good at PvP. Gumhio is just overall a code S level terran in my opinion
Oz YugioH/JYP
Oz is good taking out many good players. It is YuGiOhs time to finally make code S but JYP can still take it.
Teaja, Top
Teaja is a top Korean terran no doubt. He has been consistently on top of the Korean ELO and has displayed a fantastic understanding of all matchups and has a reliable macro game and doesn't rely on cheese.
Top is another one of the best terrans if not underrated. Always showing good results and only falling after losing in the finals. I have no doubt he will make it back into Code S.
sC was once a candidate for best terran player but ever since his fall to code A he has been showing a lackluster performance and with all his injuries he will just not be able to compete with the likes of Teaja and TOp or even Nobolesse.
On October 11 2011 06:37 quaffle wrote: Im sure Im not the first to make this joke, but... Lucky didnt get so Lucky...
Lucky actually got extremely lucky cause his best match-up is ZvT and he only has terrans in his Group
As far as I can see Lucky relies on roach all ins and baneling bombs when playing TvZ. He is not very strong at macro TvZ nearly losing to Boxer, who in his current state, is arguably even code A material.
Some pretty stacked groups. Noblesse, Lucky and Yugioh are the only players who for sure don't belong in code S. Everyone else could potentially make some noise.
If; Zenio, Gumiho, Keen, Yugioh all advance and no Toss advance, the QQ on TL would be cataclysmic. Oh I would love to see what Dustin Browder would have to say to only 2 Toss being in code S. Go go drama, make it happen!
On October 11 2011 07:06 Skarmory wrote: If; Zenio, Gumiho, Keen, Yugioh all advance and no Toss advance, the QQ on TL would be cataclysmic. Oh I would love to see what Dustin Browder would have to say to only 2 Toss being in code S. Go go drama, make it happen!
"It appears that there are simply more exceptional Terran players in Korea.". You think I'm joking, but Dustin has been known to produce even more idiotic statements in his interviews.
Besides, balance is David Kim's playground anyway. I'm curious about his thoughts on the current state of Protoss, personally.
Group B Keen oZ (If he can beat Keen or Yugioh otherwise JYP)
Group C Definetly the hardest group to predict. 1 month ago I'd have said TOP and Taeja, no doubt, but from what I've seen TOP hasn't adjusted well to the decline in mech vs mech, and Lucky looked so strong vT at the IPL. sC also has strong bio and marine tank vT so he is also a threat.
I'm going to say
Lucky Taeja
but I think any combination of the 5 could make it out.
Edit: If Lucky beats Taeja then he only has Ganzi to beat for the full sweep on Boxer & Sons.
Wow, how the hell do they make these groups? How come there are 6 protoss, 3 groups, but one of them has no protoss in? They should have at leas tried to make even numbers of each race on each group. Now there are absolutely no chance that all protosses will advance, which is kind of a bummer in my opnion
On October 11 2011 08:27 gustavohmp wrote: Wow, how the hell do they make these groups? How come there are 6 protoss, 3 groups, but one of them has no protoss in? They should have at leas tried to make even numbers of each race on each group. Now there are absolutely no chance that all protosses will advance, which is kind of a bummer in my opnion
Lucky has a good chance as well and I want Sage and Oz in Code S but I'm pretty sure that wont happen as Sage has weak PvP and Oz isnt proven enough to pick him over guys like Keen or Yugioh.
His PvP is pretty good though so maybe but having more than 2 protoss go to Code S seems like too much to ask right now.
On October 11 2011 08:27 gustavohmp wrote: Wow, how the hell do they make these groups? How come there are 6 protoss, 3 groups, but one of them has no protoss in? They should have at leas tried to make even numbers of each race on each group. Now there are absolutely no chance that all protosses will advance, which is kind of a bummer in my opnion
Yea, protoss is strong like that....
No I love these groups. Make the Terrans commit fraticide and get a few more of other races into Code S
JYP's got a good shot, although he's automatically going to lose to keen due to his abysmal PvT. It'll probably come down to whether he can get his revenge on Oz in PvP.
Sage, Genius and Puzzle in the one group hurts me. I want to see Sage in code S more than I can possibly describe, but even among his brotoss brethren I'm not sure he'll make it through.
I approve of the Terran group of death. I wonder if Gom might have rigged these to minimize the Terran influx. The two lone ranger Terrans are arguably the weakest, so there's a good chance they'll go down, and only two of the four stronger T's can advance.
On October 11 2011 10:10 norterrible wrote: So is it technically possible for there to only be 2 toss in code s next season? Doesn't seem likely but am I reading this right?
Sadistically, I'm realising I either want Sage, Puzzle, JYP and Oz all to advance, or I want zero toss to come through the up and downs so I can wave the sad zealot flag. Nothing in between will do.
On October 11 2011 10:31 theBALLS wrote: What group is MC in?
He's not.
(He fell out of Code A by losing in the Ro32, and has to re-qualify. Cheer for him at MLG next weekend though, where he will have to fight Boxer for a Code S spot!)
On October 11 2011 11:54 Arisen wrote: Only 4 terrans down from code s TT. I'm guessing we'll actually get gumiho and SC up while 2 terrans drop. Looks like another season of TvT.T
There are about 5-6 terrans who every season I expect to drop down and every season they somehow win 1 game just to hold on.
facepalm* they put the 3 protoss that deserve to go to code S in the same damn group! code S NEEDS puzzle genius and sage! i hope at least sC makes it through
im starting to think up and down needs some sort of seeding system to go through so were at least somewhat guaranteed the best calibur player going up the code S
This up and downs has the largest number of sick nerdballers, really, anything could go down.
If I had to choose, though, I would go with:
Group A: GuMiho Puzzle Group B: KeenFXOz Group C: TaejaLucky
Genius has improved but I don't think it's enough. Sage is crazy innovative but his PvP has room for improvement, same for JYP. sC had another pneumothorax so shouldn't he be recovering? Doubt he gets as much practice as he should. And Lucky had a crazy ZvT run in the IPL, hoping for it to continue here.
On October 11 2011 12:01 rave[wcr] wrote: facepalm* they put the 3 protoss that deserve to go to code S in the same damn group! code S NEEDS puzzle genius and sage! i hope at least sC makes it through
im starting to think up and down needs some sort of seeding system to go through so were at least somewhat guaranteed the best calibur player going up the code S
1) It has a seeding system in up/down. 3 Code S players and 2 Code A players per group. Oh seeds on past results? How would that work? As it is, based on past results I think the groups are balanced anyway =/
2) I was going to ask about sC, but is he still good for it with surgery and what not? With the surgery at least, I don't think sC will make it this season. That and he no likey TvT
On October 10 2011 20:26 Morale wrote: Groups look really good to minimize number of terrans to code s!
Don't know how you see this most of the terrans made it through to the round of 16 in GSL. A larger percentage of protoss dropped down to the up and down matches than terran. Anywho here are my picks
Group A oGs(Z)Zenio - Down from code S FXO(T)GuMiho - Code A Ro4
Group B MVP(T)Keen - Down from code S SlayerS(Z)YuGiOh - Code A Ro8
Group C oGs(T)TOP - Down from code S MVP(T)sC - Code A Ro8
As a protoss player i'm hoping Sage and JYP to surprise me but i'm being a realist and I'd pick a top 25 terran and a top 15 zerg over just about any protoss in the current metagame. Prove me wrong protoss players
Hoping for the Protosses to do well, of course, so we can avoid GomTvT but I'm also cheering for SlayersYugioh, I watch his stream every time it is on and it is one of the most fun, and most educational zerg streams. He always gets into crazy situations and base trades. Well, that and he plays lots of awesome music, made up of really good trance and k-pop that is different than most streamers.
A I'd really like to see Puzzle and Sage win since they are some of the best new Protoss blood around. Sage in particular I find the most promising of all, so here's hoping he can ramp up his PvP. I haven't been impressed with Genius in forever. People can't keep hyping him up for winning Blizzcon over a year ago when everyone sucked. He isn't Code S worthy anymore. Zenio is a lot better than people seem to think and always surprises people, so I wouldn't count him out. Gumiho is also a beast, but I really don't want more Terran, even as someone who loves to watch TvT and TvZ. Enough is enough.
Heart: Puzzle/Sage Head: Puzzle/Gumiho
B HongUn has been doing his blink stalker crap for far too long. He consistently gets decently far into code S, but he never innovates. Not code S material anymore. Keen is good, but there are so many Terrans in code S that are better. He's got a great shot, but I don't think he'll get much farther than the RO16 next season if he goes up. JYP and Oz are both monsters. I'd love to see both of them in code S to replace the stagnant Protoss players that I've been complaining about. I don't love them like I love Sage, but I hope dearly they move up. I've been enjoying rooting for YuGiOh for a while now, but every time I watch him it's clear why he was stuck in code A for so long: his control is sloppy. He loses so many more mutas than he should. I like his strategies and he is fun to watch, but I don't think he'll last in code S if he throws away units like he does.
Heart: Oz/JYP Head: Oz/Keen
C Lucky drew a good group. His ZvT tore apart IPL. I suspect he'll be studied heavily by next week, but I don't think he's shown his full hand. Taeja is incredibly solid and worthy of code S. Not quite on the level to break into the RO8 if you ask me, but he can hold his own. TOP is damn good too, more proven than Taeja, but probably with less potential in the long run. Sc I don't think is in condition to play in code S. He's amazing when in good condition and deserves code S, but I don't see it right now. Noblesse I look forward to getting rid of. Of the current code S Terrans I think him and Ensnare are the worst.
As long as some Protoss make it, I'm happy. Hoping for Puzzle and JYP at least. 2 toss in Ro32 would just be too depressing. For group C, I'm cheering on sC and Lucky.
On October 11 2011 16:07 ViperPL wrote: I wouldn't call Lucky so lucky, being in group with 4 terrns. But, seeing as he knocked out MMA in IPL he might not be totally without a chance
Lucky is the luckiest out of everyone.
For one, if only has 1 match up to play so if he doesn't advance it means he didn't study/practise enough
On October 11 2011 10:31 theBALLS wrote: What group is MC in?
Makes me so sad...
So many other Protoss clumped up though x.x I guess a few have to make it into Code S by default!
It's practically a crapshoot, as far as I'm concerned. Best PvP Protoss can move up, but then will just get knocked back down by Zergs and Terran during the next Code S round -____-
I don't see any progress being made for the Protoss this coming season.
this feels so rigged.. all terrans in one group? it just cant be a coincidence
or well.. of course it can be. but now theres no chance of more terrans in code s anyway. 4 fell down to up and down and a maximum of 4 can make it up again.
Group A - Tuesday October 18th MVPGenius - Down from code S SlayerSPuzzle - Down from code S oGsZenio - Down from code S FXOGuMiho - Code A Ro4 NsHSSage - Code A Ro4
Group B - Wednesday October 19th MVPKeen - Down from code S HongUnPrime.WE - Down from code S FXOz - Code A Ro2 TSLJYP - Code A Ro8 SlayerSYuGiOh - Code A Ro8
Group C - Thursday October 20th MVPNoblesse - Down from code S SlayerSTaeja - Down from code S oGsTOP - Down from code S MVPsC - Code A Ro8 FXOLucky - Code A Ro8
Group A - Tuesday October 18th MVPGenius - Down from code S SlayerSPuzzle - Down from code S oGsZenio - Down from code S FXOGuMiho - Code A Ro4 NsHSSage - Code A Ro4
Group B - Wednesday October 19th MVPKeen - Down from code S HongUnPrime.WE - Down from code S FXOz - Code A Ro2 TSLJYP - Code A Ro8 SlayerSYuGiOh - Code A Ro8
Group C - Thursday October 20th MVPNoblesse - Down from code S SlayerSTaeja - Down from code S oGsTOP - Down from code S MVPsC - Code A Ro8 FXOLucky - Code A Ro8
On October 11 2011 23:09 Soma.bokforlag wrote: this feels so rigged.. all terrans in one group? it just cant be a coincidence
or well.. of course it can be. but now theres no chance of more terrans in code s anyway. 4 fell down to up and down and a maximum of 4 can make it up again.
It seems convenient but its not unlikely at all and not a big deal imo as say 1,2,3 terrans in groups A-C would only mean one more possible terran and no guaranteed terran compared to now.
EPT
Genius - Down from code S
Zenio - Down from code S
GuMiho - Code A Ro4
