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Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
October 10 2011 06:19 GMT
#61
On October 10 2011 08:23 IMSmooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 06:27 caradoc wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus#Misuse_as_Symbol_of_medicine

Common practice according to wikipedia

It is relatively common, especially in the United States, to find the caduceus, with its two snakes and wings, used as a symbol of medicine instead of the correct rod of Asclepius, with only a single snake. This usage is erroneous, popularised largely as a result of the adoption of the caduceus as its insignia by the US Army medical corps in 1902 at the insistence of a single officer (though there are conflicting claims as to whether this was Capt. Frederick P. Reynolds or Col. John R. van Hoff).[21][22]

The rod of Asclepius is the dominant symbol for healthcare professionals and associations in the United States. One survey found that 62% of healthcare professionals used the rod of Asclepius, while 76% of commercial healthcare organizations used the caduceus


No, Americans know what it means. We just think doctors are a bunch of thieves :p

Sigh.... Someday we will have a good healthcare system. Someday


This guy is smart.

It's so obvious, should be quite a revelation for the public.
Archile
Profile Joined June 2011
United States403 Posts
October 10 2011 06:24 GMT
#62
huh. i really love when people are able to notice these minute details hidden within every game. i think blizzard's response to this thread would be HILARIOUS

by the way, does anyone actually use that upgrade? i find that in TvZ i always have enough medivacs and in TvP where i actually need another kind of starport unit OTHER than medivacs, they all just get fedback, so the extra energy hurts more than helps T_T
Just a bad player trying to be a little less bad
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
October 10 2011 06:25 GMT
#63
On October 10 2011 06:38 DoubleReed wrote:
Yea, regardless of historical mistake, it is nonetheless a recognizable symbol of medicine.


Educated people know the difference.
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
October 10 2011 06:27 GMT
#64
On October 10 2011 14:57 slicknav wrote:
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On October 10 2011 09:56 MonkSEA wrote:
On October 10 2011 09:51 slicknav wrote:
On October 10 2011 09:25 Redmark wrote:
On October 10 2011 08:47 slicknav wrote:
while we're at it we might was well deconstruct Blizzard's usage of the word "marine", which in the game is a guy with gun. However the word has mideval origins relating to the ocean and water. I wonder why they chose the name "marine" for a guy with a gun...

You're being unreasonably dismissive. A better analogy would be if someone used an old flag for, say the UK and someone's not sure if that was intentional. He's not 'deconstructing' anything, he's asking a legitimate question. Just because you might not care about it doesn't mean it's trivial lol.


The Caduceus is a commonly used symbol for things healing related. Asking why it's used as the name for an upgrade on a unit that heal's does seem kind of trivial.


But the point his making is it's incorrectly used. It might be commonly used, but it's still incorrect.


That's the point I was making before with "marine", although in a sarcastic sense. "Marine" was originally used to describe oceans/things related to water. Marine's in SC don't have anything to do with ocean...but "marine" IRL is commonly used to describe soldiers. So is "marine" incorrectly used to label a unit in SC 2 and in IRL? Of course it is if you deeply look at it. But it's the common word used which is why it is in the game. The same can be said for Caduceus.


The usage of the term "Marine" reflects a more generalised peculiarity of science fiction. For some reason, space is an ocean. That's why vehicles that travel in space are frequently associated with naval vessels, whereas, at least with respect to moving in three dimensions, I'd imagine airplanes would be closer, and a new term entirely would be optimal. That's why they're typically referred to as cruisers or battlecruisers, corvettes, frigates, destroyers, dreadnoughts, carriers, and so forth. I imagine that the way of life on a space vehicle is closer to that of a sea vessel, alone in an empty expanse for vast extents of time, with a very numerous crew, and so forth. That may be the origin. Either way that also extends to connected subjects, for example ranks are generally associated with the Navy, not the Army - Commodores, Captains and Admirals rather than Majors, Colonels and Generals - and thus we get to Marines.

Marines are infantry connected to the Navy - deployed from warships for coastal raiding or to secure landings, for example. I'd assume their name derives from marine infantry, thus sea-based infantry. Given the previous association between space and ocean, it makes sense that infantry deployed from a starship would be called a Marine.
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Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
October 10 2011 06:32 GMT
#65
Now, if you want a mistake, check out Blizzard's achievement for 500 Protoss team wins: that symbol, marked as being "Shelak Tribe" (White, Judicator Caste) is actually the symbol for the Sargas Tribe (Blue, Templar Caste). Check your original StarCraft manuals!

Gasp!

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polysciguy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States488 Posts
October 10 2011 06:38 GMT
#66
well, if you figure, hermes/mercury was the god of thieves as well as the god of medicine
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Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
October 10 2011 06:48 GMT
#67
On October 10 2011 15:38 polysciguy wrote:
well, if you figure, hermes/mercury was the god of thieves as well as the god of medicine


Asclepius, Apollo.

Not Hermes, to my knowledge.
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laggikoN
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden213 Posts
October 10 2011 06:58 GMT
#68
On October 10 2011 06:48 G_Wen wrote:
This is a common mistake, even House doesn't use the right one:
[image loading]


"usually symbolizing gamblers, liars and thieves" You don't think this is a clever play on words but with symbols? (so a play on symbols then...)
Ercster
Profile Joined August 2011
United States603 Posts
October 10 2011 07:26 GMT
#69
On October 10 2011 06:26 PopcornColonel wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that the Caduceus reactor (medivac energy upgrade) has a funny name?

The Caduceus is the staff surrounded by twin snakes, usually symbolizing gamblers, liars and thieves (it was held by mercury). It is often mistaken for the rod of Asclepius, which is a symbol for healing/medicine (a staff surrounded by 1 snake).
+ Show Spoiler [Caduceus] +
[image loading]

Staff of thievery

+ Show Spoiler [Rod of Asclepius] +
[image loading]
Rod of healing


So did Blizzard purposefully mix up the names, or did they make a mistake?

EDIT: I didn't play Brood War, but as someone pointed out in the thread (thanks, carbonaceous) the Medic Energy Upgrade was also called Caduceus Reactor. Could Blizzard have been in error without noticing for 12 years?


No, they didn't mix it up, the rest of the world did. The Caduceus is often mistaken for the Rod of Asclepius. Also, the Caduceus symbolizes gamblers, liars, and thieves in Roman iconography, but in Greek Mythology it symbolizes commerce and peace.
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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
October 10 2011 09:39 GMT
#70
Since people these days make the mistake of confusing the two, why wouldn't humans in the future make the same mistake? It makes sense.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 10 2011 09:43 GMT
#71
Caduceus is also an item in D2, (mis)used in the same manner.
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sunman1g
Profile Joined May 2011
United States334 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 10:27:18
October 10 2011 09:59 GMT
#72
yes, blizzard is wrong exactly like 90% of US companies who use it in the wrong way.
i am not surprised at all that such a big mistake happened in the US lol

On October 10 2011 15:38 polysciguy wrote:
well, if you figure, hermes/mercury was the god of thieves as well as the god of medicine


lol.
wrong
PopcornColonel
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
October 10 2011 11:50 GMT
#73
On October 10 2011 12:09 Toast_ wrote:
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On October 10 2011 10:22 PopcornColonel wrote:
On October 10 2011 09:33 Toast_ wrote:
Listen up... the caduceus is the true symbol of medicine. The rod of asclepius may be used by fake dr's.... however the caduceus is the true symbol of real doctors, the ones who are not limited by one species. Veterinarians... the true doctors of the world.

Not sure if troll... If not,
"The caduceus was the magic staff of Hermes (Mercury), the god of commerce, eloquence, invention, travel and theft, and so was a symbol of heralds and commerce, not medicine. The words caduity & caducous imply temporality, perishableness and senility, while the medical profession espouses renewal, vitality and health."

Blayney, Keith. "The Caduceus vs the Staff of Asclepius." Web. Sept 2002. <http://drblayney.com/Asclepius.html>.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Veterinary_Caduceus.jpg

Sorry... but LOL!
This is the rod of Asclepius with a V on it
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perestain
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany308 Posts
October 10 2011 12:05 GMT
#74
So the health-care staff used by the pharmaceutical industry is in reality the staff of thieves. What a sweet coincidence.
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TORTOISE
Profile Joined December 2010
United States515 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 14:35:49
October 10 2011 14:35 GMT
#75
I stumbled upon this thread by complete accident but it has been a learning experience. I can't help but smile at the irony of the Caduceus being the Staff of Thieves, and so widely used in America.
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polysciguy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States488 Posts
October 10 2011 16:56 GMT
#76
On October 10 2011 18:59 sunman1g wrote:
yes, blizzard is wrong exactly like 90% of US companies who use it in the wrong way.
i am not surprised at all that such a big mistake happened in the US lol

Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 15:38 polysciguy wrote:
well, if you figure, hermes/mercury was the god of thieves as well as the god of medicine


lol.
wrong

Well thats what i get for not looking it up and going off memory.though in my defense,1 the percy jackson series which i recentky read.threw me off and 2going ascwhatsis is a minor diety,not a major one like hermes
glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever---napoleon
Kroml
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 17:08:12
October 10 2011 17:03 GMT
#77
as far as I know, if there is 2 snakes, 1st one is the poison and the 2nd one is the antidote. I might be wrong, that's what I was told when I was a kid and I am not saying my source is reliable, but it made sense at that time
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
October 10 2011 17:18 GMT
#78
On October 10 2011 13:05 Armada Vega wrote:
In BW lots of energy upgrades only increased the total max of energy you could gain (example: ghosts total 200 energy could be increased to 250). But no units in BW came out of production with more energy immediately. (exp: Ghosts couldn't come out with 50 energy right away if you got the energy upgrade).

Where as in SC2, energy upgrades give you a boost for when the unit comes out of production, but doesn't increase the total energy you can gain over time. In this situation, the Caduceus reactor seems to be less helpful than it was in BW, since there isn't always a time when you can immediately use medivacs when they come out of production to heal or stim right away, except in early timing drops against zerg. Minerals and gas could be better spent so early on. I feel as a long term upgrade BW style Caduceus reactor would be better.


You are wrong. Their starting energy was based of a % of their maximum energy in BW. If you researched the energy upgrade they'd start off with both more base energy and more maximum energy. a HT with the energy upgrade would start off with like 62(?) energy instead of 50, and 250 maximum instead of 200.
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
Goshdarnit
Profile Joined August 2011
United States540 Posts
October 10 2011 17:24 GMT
#79
"...at the insistence of a single officer (though there are conflicting claims as to whether this was Capt. Frederick P. Reynolds or Col. John R. van Hoff)"

Successful troll? I would love to hear stories like these in actuality where some people just decide to change something small and it sticks more a loooong time.
divito
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 17:29:58
October 10 2011 17:26 GMT
#80
"The Caduceus is the staff surrounded by twin snakes, usually symbolizing gamblers, liars and thieves"

Doesn't seem like the medical community is wrong in using it.
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