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On October 10 2011 08:47 slicknav wrote:
while we're at it we might was well deconstruct Blizzard's usage of the word "marine", which in the game is a guy with gun. However the word has mideval origins relating to the ocean and water. I wonder why they chose the name "marine" for a guy with a gun...
You're being unreasonably dismissive. A better analogy would be if someone used an old flag for, say the UK and someone's not sure if that was intentional. He's not 'deconstructing' anything, he's asking a legitimate question. Just because you might not care about it doesn't mean it's trivial lol.
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Listen up... the caduceus is the true symbol of medicine. The rod of asclepius may be used by fake dr's.... however the caduceus is the true symbol of real doctors, the ones who are not limited by one species. Veterinarians... the true doctors of the world.
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On October 10 2011 07:44 FeyFey wrote:love that upgrade in zvt, saves alot of supply and gas. (I actually let it finish when faking cloak  ) As the terran you don't need a fast heal but alot of heal, so really no reason to not get it. And i agree on the missuse, but if the missuse was intended by blizzard or not will always remain a secret. But as long as blizzard keeps dropping their eastereggs into their games i will love blizzard . Games without eastereggs are no real games.
Me too! I actually try to get this upgrade in non-TvP matchups. 80s research = build time for 2 medivacs (well 84, but close enough), and once you're done, you can swap the starport onto a reactor and give the spare tech lab to a 2nd factory. Only reason I see that you don't want to do this if you're going for quick double drops and really need that 2nd medivac 40s earlier.
Nice find, OP! It never seemed strange to me though due to it having the same name in bw...
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I don't see why more people don't get this upgrade in TvP while making banshees early and switching to mm.
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On October 10 2011 09:25 Redmark wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 08:47 slicknav wrote:
while we're at it we might was well deconstruct Blizzard's usage of the word "marine", which in the game is a guy with gun. However the word has mideval origins relating to the ocean and water. I wonder why they chose the name "marine" for a guy with a gun... You're being unreasonably dismissive. A better analogy would be if someone used an old flag for, say the UK and someone's not sure if that was intentional. He's not 'deconstructing' anything, he's asking a legitimate question. Just because you might not care about it doesn't mean it's trivial lol.
The Caduceus is a commonly used symbol for things healing related. Asking why it's used as the name for an upgrade on a unit that heal's does seem kind of trivial.
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On October 10 2011 09:51 slicknav wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 09:25 Redmark wrote:On October 10 2011 08:47 slicknav wrote:
while we're at it we might was well deconstruct Blizzard's usage of the word "marine", which in the game is a guy with gun. However the word has mideval origins relating to the ocean and water. I wonder why they chose the name "marine" for a guy with a gun... You're being unreasonably dismissive. A better analogy would be if someone used an old flag for, say the UK and someone's not sure if that was intentional. He's not 'deconstructing' anything, he's asking a legitimate question. Just because you might not care about it doesn't mean it's trivial lol. The Caduceus is a commonly used symbol for things healing related. Asking why it's used as the name for an upgrade on a unit that heal's does seem kind of trivial.
But the point his making is it's incorrectly used. It might be commonly used, but it's still incorrect.
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Wait this is an actual upgrade?
I've played Terran since launch and I didn't know it existed.
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Makes sense, since the upgrade is used to trick the opponent into thinking they are researching cloak when they aren't.
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Personally I think the healing spell for medivacs should be added to the Caduceus upgrade.
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Using the Caduceus to represent medicine has been an ongoing mistake by everything concerned with medicine, at least in the United States. Hospitals here use the Caduceus so I'm sure Blizzard assumed that it is associated with medicine.
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On October 10 2011 09:56 MonkSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 09:51 slicknav wrote:On October 10 2011 09:25 Redmark wrote:On October 10 2011 08:47 slicknav wrote:
while we're at it we might was well deconstruct Blizzard's usage of the word "marine", which in the game is a guy with gun. However the word has mideval origins relating to the ocean and water. I wonder why they chose the name "marine" for a guy with a gun... You're being unreasonably dismissive. A better analogy would be if someone used an old flag for, say the UK and someone's not sure if that was intentional. He's not 'deconstructing' anything, he's asking a legitimate question. Just because you might not care about it doesn't mean it's trivial lol. The Caduceus is a commonly used symbol for things healing related. Asking why it's used as the name for an upgrade on a unit that heal's does seem kind of trivial. But the point his making is it's incorrectly used. It might be commonly used, but it's still incorrect.
its so commonly used that most teachers in schools will point out the double snakes on a rod symbolizes medicine/healing. idk how it is outside of the states, but in the states is such common knowledge that it mind as well be correct to avoid mass confusion.
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On October 10 2011 09:33 Toast_ wrote:
Listen up... the caduceus is the true symbol of medicine. The rod of asclepius may be used by fake dr's.... however the caduceus is the true symbol of real doctors, the ones who are not limited by one species. Veterinarians... the true doctors of the world.
Not sure if troll... If not,
"The caduceus was the magic staff of Hermes (Mercury), the god of commerce, eloquence, invention, travel and theft, and so was a symbol of heralds and commerce, not medicine. The words caduity & caducous imply temporality, perishableness and senility, while the medical profession espouses renewal, vitality and health."
Blayney, Keith. "The Caduceus vs the Staff of Asclepius." Web. Sept 2002. <http://drblayney.com/Asclepius.html>.
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On October 10 2011 08:47 slicknav wrote:
while we're at it we might was well deconstruct Blizzard's usage of the word "marine", which in the game is a guy with gun. However the word has mideval origins relating to the ocean and water. I wonder why they chose the name "marine" for a guy with a gun...
The use of marine makes perfect sense, they are the new marines, space is their ocean.
Blizzard just probably went with the common, but incorrect symbol in this circumstance.
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On October 10 2011 06:27 caradoc wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus#Misuse_as_Symbol_of_medicineCommon practice according to wikipedia Show nested quote +It is relatively common, especially in the United States, to find the caduceus, with its two snakes and wings, used as a symbol of medicine instead of the correct rod of Asclepius, with only a single snake. This usage is erroneous, popularised largely as a result of the adoption of the caduceus as its insignia by the US Army medical corps in 1902 at the insistence of a single officer (though there are conflicting claims as to whether this was Capt. Frederick P. Reynolds or Col. John R. van Hoff).[21][22]
The rod of Asclepius is the dominant symbol for healthcare professionals and associations in the United States. One survey found that 62% of healthcare professionals used the rod of Asclepius, while 76% of commercial healthcare organizations used the caduceus
And /thread, really. On the first reply. That's worth at least a few internets.
I mean, fair enough, good catch, but when the vast majority of companies in the medical field and the United States Army use the wrong symbol, I really don't think it's surprising that a video game company did so as well.
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On October 10 2011 10:22 PopcornColonel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 09:33 Toast_ wrote:
Listen up... the caduceus is the true symbol of medicine. The rod of asclepius may be used by fake dr's.... however the caduceus is the true symbol of real doctors, the ones who are not limited by one species. Veterinarians... the true doctors of the world. Not sure if troll... If not, "The caduceus was the magic staff of Hermes (Mercury), the god of commerce, eloquence, invention, travel and theft, and so was a symbol of heralds and commerce, not medicine. The words caduity & caducous imply temporality, perishableness and senility, while the medical profession espouses renewal, vitality and health." Blayney, Keith. "The Caduceus vs the Staff of Asclepius." Web. Sept 2002. <http://drblayney.com/Asclepius.html>.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Veterinary_Caduceus.jpg
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In BW lots of energy upgrades only increased the total max of energy you could gain (example: ghosts total 200 energy could be increased to 250). But no units in BW came out of production with more energy immediately. (exp: Ghosts couldn't come out with 50 energy right away if you got the energy upgrade).
Where as in SC2, energy upgrades give you a boost for when the unit comes out of production, but doesn't increase the total energy you can gain over time. In this situation, the Caduceus reactor seems to be less helpful than it was in BW, since there isn't always a time when you can immediately use medivacs when they come out of production to heal or stim right away, except in early timing drops against zerg. Minerals and gas could be better spent so early on. I feel as a long term upgrade BW style Caduceus reactor would be better.
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On October 10 2011 09:56 MonkSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 09:51 slicknav wrote:On October 10 2011 09:25 Redmark wrote:On October 10 2011 08:47 slicknav wrote:
while we're at it we might was well deconstruct Blizzard's usage of the word "marine", which in the game is a guy with gun. However the word has mideval origins relating to the ocean and water. I wonder why they chose the name "marine" for a guy with a gun... You're being unreasonably dismissive. A better analogy would be if someone used an old flag for, say the UK and someone's not sure if that was intentional. He's not 'deconstructing' anything, he's asking a legitimate question. Just because you might not care about it doesn't mean it's trivial lol. The Caduceus is a commonly used symbol for things healing related. Asking why it's used as the name for an upgrade on a unit that heal's does seem kind of trivial. But the point his making is it's incorrectly used. It might be commonly used, but it's still incorrect.
That's the point I was making before with "marine", although in a sarcastic sense. "Marine" was originally used to describe oceans/things related to water. Marine's in SC don't have anything to do with ocean...but "marine" IRL is commonly used to describe soldiers. So is "marine" incorrectly used to label a unit in SC 2 and in IRL? Of course it is if you deeply look at it. But it's the common word used which is why it is in the game. The same can be said for Caduceus.
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On October 10 2011 12:09 Toast_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 10:22 PopcornColonel wrote:On October 10 2011 09:33 Toast_ wrote:
Listen up... the caduceus is the true symbol of medicine. The rod of asclepius may be used by fake dr's.... however the caduceus is the true symbol of real doctors, the ones who are not limited by one species. Veterinarians... the true doctors of the world. Not sure if troll... If not, "The caduceus was the magic staff of Hermes (Mercury), the god of commerce, eloquence, invention, travel and theft, and so was a symbol of heralds and commerce, not medicine. The words caduity & caducous imply temporality, perishableness and senility, while the medical profession espouses renewal, vitality and health." Blayney, Keith. "The Caduceus vs the Staff of Asclepius." Web. Sept 2002. <http://drblayney.com/Asclepius.html>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Veterinary_Caduceus.jpg
Really?
They slapped a V on the Rod of Asclepius and called it the Veterinary Caduceus? That's terrible.
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Guys guys, you can just get more antivenom from one snake than from two. It all makes perfect sense that it´s mistaken.
Jokes aside, I just read that pretty much everywhere in the world medical services using an ancient symbol ´made a mistake´. So many in fact, that you can´t call it a mistake anymore - now it´s the norm (or the hospitals are thieves? )
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On October 10 2011 15:02 visual77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:09 Toast_ wrote:On October 10 2011 10:22 PopcornColonel wrote:On October 10 2011 09:33 Toast_ wrote:
Listen up... the caduceus is the true symbol of medicine. The rod of asclepius may be used by fake dr's.... however the caduceus is the true symbol of real doctors, the ones who are not limited by one species. Veterinarians... the true doctors of the world. Not sure if troll... If not, "The caduceus was the magic staff of Hermes (Mercury), the god of commerce, eloquence, invention, travel and theft, and so was a symbol of heralds and commerce, not medicine. The words caduity & caducous imply temporality, perishableness and senility, while the medical profession espouses renewal, vitality and health." Blayney, Keith. "The Caduceus vs the Staff of Asclepius." Web. Sept 2002. <http://drblayney.com/Asclepius.html>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Veterinary_Caduceus.jpg Really? They slapped a V on the Rod of Asclepius and called it the Veterinary Caduceus? That's terrible.
Yeah, I was gonna say. It's not really even a Caduceus, haha. It's a Rod of Asclepius that they renamed to Caduceus. It's even worse than what Blizz did. :p
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