EPTBest of luck to him! He definitely made a splash on the scene.
Read the post here:
http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3173/
Cruncher goes inactive from Complexity Roster
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wichenks
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Best of luck to him! He definitely made a splash on the scene. Read the post here: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3173/
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MattO1337
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Ruscour
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Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote: Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent. They've got Naniwa and thats pretty much it. | ||
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
trimaster? minigun? | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
What is going to happen with him and NASL? | ||
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Pocketsocks
United States192 Posts
Don't forget DRG and all the other MVP members through the partnership they have. | ||
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TemplarCo.
Mexico2870 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:02 MrMotionPicture wrote: What a shame! Cruncher is pretty darn good. What is going to happen with him and NASL? Yeah I wonder that too, I hope he does well does well in school! | ||
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
They are partnered with MVP! | ||
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AxelTVx
Canada916 Posts
We can't be too sure of trimaster yet as he only had really one good outing. As for minigun, I think that he'd make a big name for himself if he went for MLG, but sadly he hasn't attended any MLGs... | ||
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
Nope. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/CoL.MvP | ||
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Rasun
United States787 Posts
Not to mention the Koreans that are fighting under their banner from team MVP. Anyway that's too bad, but it seems like he is only taking a break and should be back to training once he finished school. | ||
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Papulatus
United States669 Posts
On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two. Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder! | ||
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
Trimaster remains a question mark. He did a fantastic job at the most recent MLG but we have to see if hes going to remain a consistent force. Looking forward to seeing more of him but all we can do right now is call him a potential. No offense to Minigun but he hasnt done much. I follow the SC2 scene pretty closely and the only thing I really know of him is that he has a feud with IdrA and hes good friends with destiny. Other than that.. On topic: Best of luck to cruncher. Although I wonder what this means for his NASL run. | ||
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AutomatonOmega
United States706 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote: Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol... On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two. Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder! Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3 | ||
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Arcanne
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote: Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3 Quitting for school and quitting cause you're not good anymore are 2 separate things... | ||
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gahhh arcanne beat me | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
He quit because of school not because he ¨wasn´t riding the P OP wave¨ or whatever you guys want to believe. He made it pretty far through the open pools at MLG last 2 or 3 MLGs. Kid is good, deal with it | ||
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LetoAtreides82
United States1188 Posts
On October 04 2011 09:59 wichenks wrote: Looks like CrunCher is taking a break from professional Starcraft 2, in order to focus on school. The post on the complexity website makes it seem as if he is leaving the team in January! Best of luck to him! He definitely made a splash on the scene. Read the post here: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3173/ Unless he's got a good chance of getting a masters degree and a high paying career extra schooling is a waste. Good luck to him but I think he might be making a mistake. | ||
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ReaperX
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babblingduk
Canada79 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote: Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3 Wouldnt say its out of their favor...its just less in their favor. Honestly, he was a pretty decent and he could've only gotten better. But i guess now there is one less person for idra drama (even though its a guilty pleasure lol) GOOD LUCK in the future, CrunCher! | ||
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Cuiu
Germany410 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:11 DystopiaX wrote: Quitting for school and quitting cause you're not good anymore are 2 separate things... actually its the same when he would have won mlg or would be in code s i bet he will not quit. it is a smart decision to quit when you realize that you are not good enough. and that deserves respect. | ||
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
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hipsterHobbit
United States218 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:02 MrMotionPicture wrote: What a shame! Cruncher is pretty darn good. What is going to happen with him and NASL? I bet he's already played all of his games for the league, they'll just cast them in a month like nothing happened. | ||
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United States402 Posts
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wichenks
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:14 LetoAtreides82 wrote: Unless he's got a good chance of getting a masters degree and a high paying career extra schooling is a waste. Good luck to him but I think he might be making a mistake. ?_? He is 19... or unless you mean that going to college is a waste which well I will have to disagree. | ||
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Boony
Australia87 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:14 LetoAtreides82 wrote: Unless he's got a good chance of getting a masters degree and a high paying career extra schooling is a waste. Good luck to him but I think he might be making a mistake. Because that is the only reason to get an education, right? No one would actually want to learn something or get a degree enabling them to get a job/life style that they enjoy. No, we all want to get as much money as we possible can. | ||
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Petrina
United States178 Posts
actually its the same when he would have won mlg or would be in code s i bet he will not quit. it is a smart decision to quit when you realize that you are not good enough. and that deserves respect. Where are you guys getting all this from? He is simply concentrating on school. That is all the article says. Plus it does not say anywhere he might not come back. Not good enough? He made it in pool play from the open bracket in the last MLG. By your standards most of the GSL Code A players should just quit because they are not good enough to get in Code S... | ||
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Deleted User 183001
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On October 04 2011 10:14 LetoAtreides82 wrote: Unless he's got a good chance of getting a masters degree and a high paying career extra schooling is a waste. Good luck to him but I think he might be making a mistake. Because being able to make a reliable living for a lifetime is a mistake. Wait.. No, I think Cruncher has his priorities straight. | ||
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ffz
United States490 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:14 LetoAtreides82 wrote: Unless he's got a good chance of getting a masters degree and a high paying career extra schooling is a waste. Good luck to him but I think he might be making a mistake. Kids with masters degree are struggling to find a job now. Gonna need some doctorate to get a nice job. | ||
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
but good luck with school and all that | ||
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juicyjames
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On October 04 2011 10:21 Petrina wrote: Where are you guys getting all this from? He is simply concentrating on school. That is all the article says. Plus it does not say anywhere he might not come back. Not good enough? He made it in pool play from the open bracket in the last MLG. By your standards most of the GSL Code A players should just quit because they are not good enough to get in Code S... http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3173/ wrote: Today compLexity Gaming would like to announce that Abdulaziz "CrunCher" Abed has decided to go inactive from professional StarCraft2 in order to focus on college. He will remain under contract until January 2012 at which time he will be released. From that I took that CrunCher is essentially going to quit Starcraft II to focus on school, and is only still on coL (as inactive) until his contract expires. | ||
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On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote: Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3 idra fans so fuckin delusional | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
So I see a title "Cruncher goes inactive." First thoughts: incoming shitstorm. Then I open the thread and I see... "Best of luck to him.", "He was good" and sadfaces? What happened to the old "Cruncher is a @#$@#" that happened everywhere? Complexity Gaming hate created because of Cruncher? Cruncher is a terrible abusive player or something like that? What happened in ~4 months or so that made Cruncher become well seen by the community?! WTH? Good luck to him, but really TL? You guys surely change your face easily :O ...or maybe that's just on LR threads... | ||
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Drewbiefanboy
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Sadistx
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He was right about Cruncher exiting the scene though. But he just gave up SC2 for school, which is what most normal people do anyway, so I wish him luck in his school and career | ||
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Deleted User 183001
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On October 04 2011 10:31 Zephirdd wrote: WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH. So I see a title "Cruncher goes inactive." First thoughts: incoming shitstorm. Then I open the thread and I see... "Best of luck to him.", "He was good" and sadfaces? What happened to the old "Cruncher is a @#$@#" that happened everywhere? Complexity Gaming hate created because of Cruncher? Cruncher is a terrible abusive player or something like that? What happened in ~4 months or so that made Cruncher become well seen by the community?! WTH? Good luck to him, but really TL? You guys surely change your face easily :O ...or maybe that's just on LR threads... Some of the Idratards matured, or weren't Idratards in the first place. | ||
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"  "School is painful, best of luck to him | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:31 Zephirdd wrote: WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH. So I see a title "Cruncher goes inactive." First thoughts: incoming shitstorm. Then I open the thread and I see... "Best of luck to him.", "He was good" and sadfaces? What happened to the old "Cruncher is a @#$@#" that happened everywhere? Complexity Gaming hate created because of Cruncher? Cruncher is a terrible abusive player or something like that? What happened in ~4 months or so that made Cruncher become well seen by the community?! WTH? Good luck to him, but really TL? You guys surely change your face easily :O ...or maybe that's just on LR threads... People calm down and make less emotional posts when shit is 4 months old, and he also proved over that period of time that he wasn't just a cheesy player/that one thing wasn't a fluke. | ||
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United States8001 Posts
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hipsterHobbit
United States218 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:33 Sadistx wrote: He was right about Cruncher exiting the scene though. But he just gave up SC2 for school, which is what most normal people do anyway, so I wish him luck in his school and career It doesn't make him clairvoyant to say that. Cruncher will be back. | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
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OxyFuel
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IntoTheBush
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Mordiford
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Minigun and Naniwa are still present as stand-out Protoss players on coL, and they still have a strong roster with Drewbie, TriMaster, Catz as well as the aforementioned Naniwa and Minigun. | ||
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tuho12345
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I'd say retarded for quoting everything IdrA said and then post it every where like the bible. | ||
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Adebisi
Canada1637 Posts
GL in future Cruncher! <3 | ||
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Medrea
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+ Show Spoiler + Go school! | ||
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Geovu
Estonia1344 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:49 tuho12345 wrote: I'd say retarded for quoting everything IdrA said and then post it every where like the bible. That's a good idea tbh, the Testament of IdrA: "Thou shall not gg" (Genesis 1:1) "Thine are bad" (Protoss 8:11) "Fuck you" (6 pool. 2:42) etc etc. | ||
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Ashes
United States362 Posts
I really like the decision he made .. No offense to anyone! | ||
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TitleRug
United States651 Posts
this is terrible news for me. I'll miss him a lot. His stream was the best one ever. Gl Cruncher!! | ||
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Yamulo
United States2096 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:09 Angelbelow wrote: Trimaster remains a question mark. He did a fantastic job at the most recent MLG but we have to see if hes going to remain a consistent force. Looking forward to seeing more of him but all we can do right now is call him a potential. No offense to Minigun but he hasnt done much. I follow the SC2 scene pretty closely and the only thing I really know of him is that he has a feud with IdrA and hes good friends with destiny. Other than that.. On topic: Best of luck to cruncher. Although I wonder what this means for his NASL run. You might not think he has done much then because you don't follow many of the on line cups, but as far as I know he has had some success online. I think it was a root gaming tournament he won (?) vs kiwikakki in the finals. It was some pretty big invitational, and if you watched the redbull lan you would have seen that he is really good. | ||
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ensign_lee
United States1178 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:29 ffz wrote: Kids with masters degree are struggling to find a job now. Gonna need some doctorate to get a nice job. Trolls be trollin'? So your answer to "you need a doctorate in order to get a good job is to *not* get an education at all? *think about that* Anyway, Cruncher, I met you at MLG Dallas. You were a pretty cool guy. I hope things go well for you in the future. | ||
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Emporio
United States3069 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:33 Sadistx wrote: He was right about Cruncher exiting the scene though. But he just gave up SC2 for school, which is what most normal people do anyway, so I wish him luck in his school and career Then let me make a prediction that Idra will leave the SC2 scene sometime in the future. | ||
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Ruscour
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On October 04 2011 10:05 AxelTVx wrote: Wow first person to actually quit a top team to focus on school. (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) We can't be too sure of trimaster yet as he only had really one good outing. As for minigun, I think that he'd make a big name for himself if he went for MLG, but sadly he hasn't attended any MLGs... qxc kinda, he didn't quit the team but if not for going back to school he'd probably be with FXO in Korea or sometime in Malaysia | ||
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Incursus
United States415 Posts
Finish school, pro game later. iNcontroL did it and far as monetary success goes he's doing good I think. Also to IdrA fans, I am an IdrA fan myself (and have been since BW) but everything he says regarding others on the scene must be taken with a grain of salt. He has great insight yeah (really good insight) but he's also super stubborn. Which is not a useful trait when discussing ways to play a game as diverse as this. | ||
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On October 04 2011 10:44 IntoTheBush wrote: best of luck to him, but I honestly saw this coming also. Cheesey play, and all-in's will only get you so far. He rarely cheeses unless you count going to macro deathball off 3-4 base is cheese. Maybe according to Idra's standard. | ||
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IntoTheBush
United States552 Posts
On October 04 2011 11:11 xbankx wrote: He rarely cheeses unless you count going to macro deathball off 3-4 base is cheese. Maybe according to Idra's standard. i guess you've never played him...or even seen him play when he was apart of ONE. | ||
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Linwelin
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On October 04 2011 11:18 IntoTheBush wrote: i guess you've never played him...or even seen him play when he was apart of ONE. Naniwa was also known as Onebasewa some months ago What's your point | ||
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Besides, I remember him stating he doesn't like Stacraft so it's no one's loss really. | ||
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On October 04 2011 11:34 MilesTeg wrote: Gotta admit, it's weird for me too to see peope with the sad face after the announcement that he leaves. I mean... do people really think he was any good? I think he was more known because of that idra incident than anything else. Besides, I remember him stating he doesn't like Stacraft so it's no one's loss really. the sad face is a reference to his infamous happy face (: | ||
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RajaF
Canada530 Posts
On October 04 2011 11:41 Sub40APM wrote: i wish i could re-do college. Wasting the best 4 years of your life playing a video game, even a fun one, is a terrible decision for most people. If I was in Cruncher's position, I would of stayed with Complexity since they were paying him decent money to do something that he clearly loves. You can go to college at any age as long as you are still motivated and able to study. I am a bit bitter about this subject, so take my opinion with a grain of salt. But I'll say that I went to university (and a pretty prestigious institution too, namely the university of toronto) and college before that, got good grades and good experience, and all I have to show for it is a lot of debt. Most certainly a waste of time and money, not a doubt in my mind. Unless you go to Harvard or some Ivy league school with really small class sizes and almost guaranteed employment at graduation (in which case you are rich anyway), then you will be entering the workforce at the same time as another 200 - 400 people in the same field just from your school, in just that year. And unemployment is on the rise right now. Think about that. And I'm not talking about English majors. I'm in computer science. 80% of the people that graduated with me and that I went to classes with are now unemployed (and can't get a decent job because they are overqualified) or employed in an unrelated field which they most of the time hate being in. I myself work in a computer store as a technician, using skills that I had when I was 19, that I did not need to pay tens of thousands of dollars to get and be useless. But hey, I can program an awesome content management system in my spare time, since no one is willing to pay me even minimum wage to do it. | ||
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Ryder.
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Not sure how this is him 'fading out of the scene cause he's bad', more just realizing that he is better off going to school, just like most progamers would be. | ||
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Zorkmid
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On October 04 2011 12:13 RajaF wrote: If I was in Cruncher's position, I would of stayed with Complexity since they were paying him decent money to do something that he clearly loves. You can go to college at any age as long as you are still motivated and able to study. I am a bit bitter about this subject, so take my opinion with a grain of salt. But I'll say that I went to university (and a pretty prestigious institution too, namely the university of toronto) and college before that, got good grades and good experience, and all I have to show for it is a lot of debt. Most certainly a waste of time and money, not a doubt in my mind. Unless you go to Harvard or some Ivy league school with really small class sizes and almost guaranteed employment at graduation (in which case you are rich anyway), then you will be entering the workforce at the same time as another 200 - 400 people in the same field just from your school, in just that year. And unemployment is on the rise right now. Think about that. And I'm not talking about English majors. I'm in computer science. 80% of the people that graduated with me and that I went to classes with are now unemployed (and can't get a decent job because they are overqualified) or employed in an unrelated field which they most of the time hate being in. I myself work in a computer store as a technician, using skills that I had when I was 19, that I did not need to pay tens of thousands of dollars to get and be useless. But hey, I can program an awesome content management system in my spare time, since no one is willing to pay me even minimum wage to do it. Just because you haven't translated your U of T degree into a decent living doesn't mean that university is stupid. I went to university, and I make many times more money than I'd likely have been able to make had I not gone. I'm not saying that my experience, or this posters, is what YOU'RE going to get, but I beg of you 16-18 year olds.....TAKE RajaF's POST FOR WHAT IT IS....the cries of someone who didn't make the best of a rare opportunity to get a great education. http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=77 You're going to make about 60% more money on average with a bachelors degree in your lifetime. | ||
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GettinMyFill
Australia37 Posts
On October 04 2011 12:34 Zorkmid wrote: Just because you haven't translated your U of T degree into a decent living doesn't mean that university is stupid. I went to university, and I make many times more money than I'd likely have been able to make had I not gone. I'm not saying that my experience, or this posters, is what YOU'RE going to get, but I beg of you 16-18 year olds.....TAKE RajaF's POST FOR WHAT IT IS....the cries of someone who didn't make the best of a rare opportunity to get a great education. http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=77 You're going to make about 60% more money on average with a bachelors degree in your lifetime. I see that university propaganda has brainwashed you. Best of luck. | ||
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Canada829 Posts
On October 04 2011 12:34 Zorkmid wrote: Just because you haven't translated your U of T degree into a decent living doesn't mean that university is stupid. I went to university, and I make many times more money than I'd likely have been able to make had I not gone. I'm not saying that my experience, or this posters, is what YOU'RE going to get, but I beg of you 16-18 year olds.....TAKE RajaF's POST FOR WHAT IT IS....the cries of someone who didn't make the best of a rare opportunity to get a great education. http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=77 You're going to make about 60% more money on average with a bachelors degree in your lifetime. In this economic climate, you would be lucky to even find a job with just a bachelors degree. | ||
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On October 04 2011 12:37 GettinMyFill wrote: You don't need to jump straight into tertiary education. You can study at any point in time in your lifetime. This is simply an average 'pro-gamer' realising that he is never going to make it, so he returns to his normal life, before forcefield exploitation garnered him some kind of internet fame. This reminds me of the question that young baseball prospects have. They can either sign with a pro organization out of high-school, forfeit NCAA eligibility, and get a cash bonus (which can be millions for high high picks), or go to college on a full ride. For the blue chip guys, there is no decision at all.....if they sign and get 250,000K, they can always go to school and use that money to pay for college later on. The situation for gamers is more similar to a late round pick, who is getting little or no signing bonus. By the time that their career is over, they may be saddled with other debts and responsibilities that make going to school at the age of 23-26 much tougher than it would have been at 18-19. | ||
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Zorkmid
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On October 04 2011 12:42 daxile wrote: In this economic climate, you would be lucky to even find a job with just a bachelors degree. So what chance does someone without one have? | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On October 04 2011 11:46 FrankWalls wrote: the sad face is a reference to his infamous happy face (: Plus...he was actually quite good. People only thought he was bad because after he qualified for TSL Idra said he was trash and what Idra says tends to stick for some reason. Even after Cruncher beat Idra himself, Mondragon, went 3-2 with Naniwa, beat players like QXC, Ensnare and Darkforce in NASL, made it into pool play in MLG... | ||
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GettinMyFill
Australia37 Posts
On October 04 2011 12:42 Zorkmid wrote: This reminds me of the question that young baseball prospects have. They can either sign with a pro organization out of high-school, forfeit NCAA eligibility, and get a cash bonus (which can be millions for high high picks), or go to college on a full ride. For the blue chip guys, there is no decision at all.....if they sign and get 250,000K, they can always go to school and use that money to pay for college later on. The situation for gamers is more similar to a late round pick, who is getting little or no signing bonus. By the time that their career is over, they may be saddled with other debts and responsibilities that make going to school at the age of 23-26 much tougher than it would have been at 18-19. So study part-time while you gain experience and working your way through other jobs. That is the sacrifice you make if you want to do anything seriously, any sport, any hobby, any creative art you want to master. No passion? It's okay, you can just study and become a cog in the machine. | ||
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RajaF
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On October 04 2011 12:46 The KY wrote: For the school vs esports thing...life is an adventure, why would anyone pass up the chance to fly around the world playing a game in front of crowds for big money? I doubt anyone is gonna sit on their deathbeds all like 'Man I wish I never had all that fun doing that awesome thing.' Exactly man. More people should be thinking like you. Cruncher is not even 20. The world is his oyster, he can try and fail at anything he wants. Being a progamer is exactly the kind of thing you try when you are at this age otherwise he will regret it forever. On October 04 2011 12:43 Zorkmid wrote: So what chance does someone without one have? Quite good actually, since most companies these days would rather higher unqualified help since they can pay them less. And to your earlier post I'll say hahaha. OK then. You know exactly what I was able and not able to do with my degree right? Just because I was unwilling to sell my life and liberty to a soul sucking entity like IBM (for which I worked for in my paid experience year) does not mean I was unable to translate my degree into a decent living. And how do you know how I live? I bet that besides the money (which, I'll tell you a secret, you can't spend it once you are old or dead) your "career" sucks more than my job. I work exactly 8 hours a day, not a minute of overtime ever, have full health and dental, and (the big one) I get 5 weeks vacation a year. You show me one of your bachelor degree positions like that outside of academia. And not to mention that once you are climbing the corporate ladder, there are 100 other guys right behind you just waiting for the slightest mistake to take your spot and knock you down. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
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On October 04 2011 12:52 GGTesomas wrote: Somewhere, Idra's smiling Guangzhou, China. | ||
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Theeakoz
United States1114 Posts
Why did we boo him on the MLG stage... ? why ? Who is Idra? Why would we bash a person, that is, a professional player who helps our community just to show our support for someone else? Maybe, if we acted like humans with brains and emotions and unlike animals and showed him some support he wouldn't have left our community as easy. Why is Idra getting so much support? he would do what he did to cruncher to each and everyone of us if he didn't "like" us or the race we play... Lets build a community that praises the best, most hardworking people and punished the unappreciative. | ||
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RajaF
Canada530 Posts
On October 04 2011 13:04 Theeakoz wrote: I posted on this thread but later I changed my mind and erased it, just because I know that a simple post wouldn't change much, But then, someone PMed me and reminded me that maybe one post could make a difference. Why did we boo him on the MLG stage... ? why ? Who is Idra? Why would we bash a person, that is, a professional player who helps our community just to show our support for someone else? Maybe, if we acted like humans with brains and emotions and unlike animals and showed him some support he wouldn't have left our community as easy. Why is Idra getting so much support? he would do what he did to cruncher to each and everyone of us if he did "like" us or the race we play... Lets build a community that praises the best, most hardworking people and punished the unappreciative. This man right here speaks the truth. This is most likely why Cruncher quit, because all the vitriol from one person (Idra) was channeled by a big part of this so called community. We should all be a bit ashamed we let this happen. | ||
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seoulsun
Netherlands80 Posts
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Jojo131
Brazil1631 Posts
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dapierow
Serbia1316 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:03 Pocketsocks wrote: Don't forget DRG and all the other MVP members through the partnership they have. Serously? no one mentions KiwiKaki? | ||
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Saiton
Sweden467 Posts
GL to you! | ||
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Soulriser
United States192 Posts
also, if hes quitting because IdrA fans poked fun at him and IdrA doesnt like him, then he doesnt deserve to be a progamer. if you cant handle being criticized, your name doesnt deserve to be spotlighted. | ||
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Audi309
United States90 Posts
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Diablo3
46 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:03 Pocketsocks wrote: Don't forget DRG and all the other MVP members through the partnership they have. yeah, but they don't have real members of their team. Its only Naniwa and the rest are truth be told quite mediocre pro players with no significant achievement in tournaments. | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On October 04 2011 13:04 Theeakoz wrote: I posted on this thread but later I changed my mind and erased it, just because I know that a simple post wouldn't change much, But then, someone PMed me and reminded me that maybe one post could make a difference. Why did we boo him on the MLG stage... ? why ? Who is Idra? Why would we bash a person, that is, a professional player who helps our community just to show our support for someone else? Maybe, if we acted like humans with brains and emotions and unlike animals and showed him some support he wouldn't have left our community as easy. Why is Idra getting so much support? he would do what he did to cruncher to each and everyone of us if he did "like" us or the race we play... Lets build a community that praises the best, most hardworking people and punished the unappreciative. completely agree with you. I was there at MLG Anaheim and ppl boo Cruncher when IdrA was the guy who trashtalked and walked ago. Idk why ppl really like that dick and bm Cruncher for no reason. Just b/c Cruncher beat their Zerg's heroes and playing Protoss, so they're being that bad. | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote: Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3 This is the reason why I hate majority of IdrA fans - they are even bigger douchebags than IdrA himself. Oh well, birds of a feather.... All the best to cruncher for his college. I'm quiet sure he has made the right decision. | ||
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McKTenor13
United States1383 Posts
He's on Reign, not coL.MVP | ||
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IntoTheBush
United States552 Posts
On October 04 2011 11:22 Linwelin wrote: Naniwa was also known as Onebasewa some months ago What's your point Nani isn't the topic of this thread, nor do I mention him in my posts. CrunCher is basically a middle of the road player who isn't even comparable to Naniwa in skill. Just look up tournament results. Also I wasn't bashing ONE as if they all cheese.. I actually have a few friends that are involved with ItsGosu, so I have no problem with them if that is what youre trying to imply. I guess you didn't know, but that name was made out of sarcasm. Since anybody halfway decent could 4gate their way into Master league in season 1. So sir, what exactly is your point? | ||
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Juanald
United States354 Posts
as a membr of your fanclub i wish you luck in your adventure but i hope u reconsider and consider how ur desicion will affect eSports. | ||
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RajaF
Canada530 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:10 IntoTheBush wrote: Nani isn't the topic of this thread, nor do I mention him in my posts. CrunCher is basically a middle of the road player who isn't even comparable to Naniwa in skill. Just look up tournament results. Also I wasn't bashing ONE as if they all cheese.. I actually have a few friends that are involved with ItsGosu, so I have no problem with them if that is what youre trying to imply. I guess you didn't know, but that name was made out of sarcasm. Since anybody halfway decent could 4gate their way into Master league in season 1. So sir, what exactly is your point? His point is that Cruncher was improving a lot lately and had long ago moved passed the cheese / all-in style that you pidgeonholed him in. | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote: Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3 Was waiting for the moronic IdrA fan comment, shame it didn't even wait until the second page | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44106 Posts
Fortunately, there are other great players on Complexity/ MVP | ||
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rUiNati0n
United States1155 Posts
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Moa
United States790 Posts
Good luck to cruncher in his studies and hopefully starcraft, I think it is a tad funny how complexity seems to be the anti-idra team. This situation is eerily similar to Silver's but Cruncher was more significant player than Silver by a longshot. | ||
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Catatonic
United States699 Posts
 CatZ,  Drewbie, TriMaster, and  Minigun are really good so what is it you're on exactly? lol | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
When Cruncher retired, Idra started playing better than he had in months! Coincidence? | ||
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Diversify
Canada30 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:35 Catatonic wrote: Funny joke bro tell it again? CatZ, Drewbie, TriMaster, and Minigun are really good so what is it you're on exactly? lolLets be honest here, aside from Trimaster who is unknown and still has yet to show consistent performance, they all are all pretty mediocre. I mean they will never be favourites to win a major LAN, nor even make it into the top 8. | ||
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Theeakoz
United States1114 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:00 tuho12345 wrote: completely agree with you. I was there at MLG Anaheim and ppl boo Cruncher when IdrA was the guy who trashtalked and walked ago. We're not saying all this today and then forget everything next week. We have no one to prevent unfortunate stuff like this one from happening in our community. and because of that, the community should act as a body in stopping terrible thing from happening. If it continues like this, everyone will starting hating each other and by the next 2 years, the so called "Starcraft 2 community" will turn into a crowd of selfish, rude people who just randomly pick someone from among themselves and victimize him to death. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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RajaF
Canada530 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:41 synapse wrote: Does this mean when cruncher finishes school he still has a spot on coL? Is he still getting paid? I would assume he is not getting paid anymore. But I'm pretty sure that coL will at least give him a shot to come back if he so wishes. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
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KentHenry
United States260 Posts
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
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dormer
United States1314 Posts
Overall it's the smart decision, best of luck to him in his studies. | ||
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IntoTheBush
United States552 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:11 RajaF wrote: His point is that Cruncher was improving a lot lately and had long ago moved passed the cheese / all-in style that you pidgeonholed him in. thats not what Linwelin said. He made a post that made no sense.. | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
edit: possibly some foreigner in Korea to strengthen their presence in Korea? | ||
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Tippecanoe
United States342 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:39 motbob wrote: When Cruncher came onto the scene, Idra started losing and didn't stop. When Cruncher retired, Idra started playing better than he had in months! Coincidence? Cruncher comes onto the scene toss is OP Cruncher leaves toss is UP Coincidence? User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Tekkerz
United Kingdom216 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:12 Ruscour wrote: Was waiting for the moronic IdrA fan comment, shame it didn't even wait until the second page Hardly moronic, just stating facts wasn't he? | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:35 Catatonic wrote: Funny joke bro tell it again? CatZ, Drewbie, TriMaster, and Minigun are really good so what is it you're on exactly? lolUh go look at all their records. Its cruncher who has been saving their team from embarrassment for the longest time. | ||
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skatbone
United States1005 Posts
On October 04 2011 16:10 T0fuuu wrote: Uh go look at all their records. Its cruncher who has been saving their team from embarrassment for the longest time. Well, he said they have talent. He didn't say that they have a lot of players that win major tournaments. I have to agree with Ruscour: Complexity has a lot of talent. It remains to be seen what results this talent might achieve. I love how people like to jump on the oversimplify-the-"complexity"-of-someone-else's-life-into-a- simple- equation: he is going to go to school because Toss is UP. As someone who has to juggle SC2 with graduate school, a fiancee, family, and teaching, I feel that the reduction of Cruncher's motives to toss be UP is reductive thinking at its finest. There is more to life than SC2, and sometimes, it calls to out us louder than the sound of zerglings screeching in death. | ||
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JerKy
Korea (South)3013 Posts
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On October 04 2011 16:02 Tekkerz wrote: Hardly moronic, just stating facts wasn't he? It's not a fact he's quiting because of balance reasons. | ||
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kAra
Germany1355 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:05 AxelTVx wrote: Wow first person to actually quit a top team to focus on school. (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) We can't be too sure of trimaster yet as he only had really one good outing. As for minigun, I think that he'd make a big name for himself if he went for MLG, but sadly he hasn't attended any MLGs... tri was 1 round before bracket i think 3 mlg's before in a row | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
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Makica
Canada180 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38198 Posts
best of luck Cruncher. (can't believe the idiots talking about race balance and shit in here) | ||
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
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WightyCity
Canada887 Posts
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:10 IntoTheBush wrote: Nani isn't the topic of this thread, nor do I mention him in my posts. CrunCher is basically a middle of the road player who isn't even comparable to Naniwa in skill. Just look up tournament results. Also I wasn't bashing ONE as if they all cheese.. I actually have a few friends that are involved with ItsGosu, so I have no problem with them if that is what youre trying to imply. I guess you didn't know, but that name was made out of sarcasm. Since anybody halfway decent could 4gate their way into Master league in season 1. So sir, what exactly is your point? My point is that judging a player on the way he was playing MONTHS ago is stupid | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On October 04 2011 16:00 Tippecanoe wrote: Cruncher comes onto the scene toss is OP Cruncher leaves toss is UP Coincidence? I think not, but protoss never was op anyways. Can't say it seemed unsuspected because you didn't see much of him, his prime time was kind of TSL3 and NASL. | ||
KadaverBB
Germany25657 Posts
Good luck to cruncher in school, life and hopefully you will return to sc2 someday | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38198 Posts
On October 04 2011 20:47 eYeball wrote: I think not, but protoss never was op anyways. Can't say it seemed unsuspected because you didn't see much of him, his prime time was kind of TSL3 and NASL. Cruncher had very solid runs at the three MLG's he went to, making it to the championship bracket each time. | ||
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shinarit
Hungary900 Posts
On October 04 2011 17:17 nam nam wrote: It's not a fact he's quiting because of balance reasons. None said theres more than correlation Just pointed to Seriously though, i too think that school is more important than gaming, so i hope he gets some manners to himself. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:03 tuho12345 wrote: Awww so we can't see IdrA and Cruncher shaking hand ever? Or may be EG will pick up Cruncher lol yes. no.no.no. they some really not good players they dont need another one | ||
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote: Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3 aahahahahaha. I may be alone on this but I've never really thought of Cruncher as a good player... | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On October 04 2011 21:07 Perseverance wrote: aahahahahaha.i may be alone on this but I've never really thought of Cruncher as a good player... L O L :D | ||
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ilikeLIONZ
Germany427 Posts
idra was just mad as usual and needed to blame something/someone for his own failures. in that case it was cruncher, and he definitely didnt deserve all the hate he received from idra fans. hope he'll come back someday when he finished school, and take out the angry zerg once again. | ||
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bbm
United Kingdom1320 Posts
On October 04 2011 12:13 RajaF wrote: I am a bit bitter about this subject, so take my opinion with a grain of salt. But I'll say that I went to university (and a pretty prestigious institution too, namely the university of toronto) and college before that, got good grades and good experience, and all I have to show for it is a lot of debt. Most certainly a waste of time and money, not a doubt in my mind. Unless you go to Harvard or some Ivy league school with really small class sizes and almost guaranteed employment at graduation (in which case you are rich anyway), then you will be entering the workforce at the same time as another 200 - 400 people in the same field just from your school, in just that year. And unemployment is on the rise right now. Think about that. And I'm not talking about English majors. I'm in computer science. 80% of the people that graduated with me and that I went to classes with are now unemployed (and can't get a decent job because they are overqualified) or employed in an unrelated field which they most of the time hate being in. I just want to say that I finished my undergrad Computer Science at University of Birmingham three months ago, and I and almost all my friends who haven't done masters/whatever are in related jobs. I'm not in the best job ever, but it's reasonably well paid, and it is a graduate software development role. And there was no shortage of them around here. Uni has paid off well for me. I don't want to generalise, but the market for compsci (in the UK at least) is perfectly fine from what I could tell. | ||
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote: Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3 Thought the same thing when I read the news. I somehow doubt he'd be going back to school if he really was successful now. Bad / Medium results (for being a progamer) are not the most solid thing to base a risky career on. So it sure is a good decision. Good Luck in the future. | ||
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zeromajor01
United States17 Posts
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On October 04 2011 20:53 shinarit wrote: None said theres more than correlation Just pointed to Seriously though, i too think that school is more important than gaming, so i hope he gets some manners to himself. I never really saw him as bad mannered so not sure what that last sentence was referring to. | ||
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AnalThermometer
Vatican City State334 Posts
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labbe
Sweden1456 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On October 04 2011 21:37 AnalThermometer wrote: Cruncher is a good example of how terrible the SC2 community is at times, IdrA's sheeple have had it in for him since the moment he outplayed their favorite Zerg. In the end it's a loss for NA, one of their best Protoss. And to top it off, it has to be somebody with the nick "AnalThermometer" who reminds them of reason. :> Anyways, I wish Cruncher well for his school and I also hope that col can pick up SaSe, supporting him in Korea through the partnership with MVP. The non-Korean scene definitely lacks more dedicated players of the type of SaSe. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On October 04 2011 21:23 Mordiford wrote: I never really saw him as bad mannered so not sure what that last sentence was referring to. He beat Idra using an imbalanced strategy, you can't get much more BM than that. | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
Good luck with school/university to Cruncher, and I hope we won't see him again in SC2, unless he changes up his style. | ||
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
On October 04 2011 22:38 ZAiNs wrote: He beat Idra using an imbalanced strategy, you can't get much more BM than that. Apparently anything that beats idra is imbalanced. Trust me, his fans told me this. | ||
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NoMicroWin
United States688 Posts
@ CrunCher Haters, stop hating @ IdrA haters, Hate elsewhere (j/k =P) But forrealz, stop hating! | ||
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FuzZyLogic
United States141 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:14 LetoAtreides82 wrote: Unless he's got a good chance of getting a masters degree and a high paying career extra schooling is a waste. Good luck to him but I think he might be making a mistake. LOL, really? Any professional career will make him a MUCH higher salary than he could ever make gaming. If you're concerned about long-term finances then college is a much safer bet than being a progamer. | ||
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Coal
Sweden1535 Posts
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
On October 04 2011 23:17 zarepath wrote: It's a great day to be IdrA! lol bm | ||
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E.H Eager
United States227 Posts
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
good for him to focus on school and maybe come back later very smart decision on his part i like it | ||
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Tweleve
United States644 Posts
On October 04 2011 23:56 E.H Eager wrote: That sucks, I'll miss the mass stargate PvZ... You never watch White-Ra do you | ||
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JoeKer
United States9 Posts
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
Weird how they forget the other quotes along the lines of: "Drewbie is shit and is riding the Terran OP bandwagon and will drop once they are nerfed and should probably apologize for playing the race", yet drewbie is still around playing at the top level of sc2 foreign pros. (not saying he is the best, but hes still top tier). Oh and my favorite Idra statement, "Morrow is a gold-tier player and would be complete shit if he switched to zerg. I will never whine about balance if he wins a tourney with zerg" Funny enough, morrow is a better zerg than Idra in most people's opinion. Idra fan boys remind me of those people who believe fortune tellers, for every 1000 prediction they make, one comes true and people believe them. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 05 2011 00:12 sekritzzz wrote: Funny thing is, idra fanboys point to this as being a testament to idra's statements. Weird how they forget the other quotes along the lines of: "Drewbie is shit and is riding the Terran OP bandwagon and will drop once they are nerfed and should probably apologize for playing the race", yet drewbie is still around playing at the top level of sc2 foreign pros. (not saying he is the best, but hes still top tier). Oh and my favorite Idra statement, "Morrow is a gold-tier player and would be complete shit if he switched to zerg. I will never whine about balance if he wins a tourney with zerg" Funny enough, morrow is a better zerg than Idra in most people's opinion. Idra fan boys remind me of those people who believe fortune tellers, for every 1000 prediction they make, one comes true and people believe them. drewbie has won 1 TL open and 1 random $100 cup. i dont see how idra has been proven wrong :o that single win was in late 2010, over 8 months ago. | ||
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PlosionCornu
Italy814 Posts
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Zath.erin
Canada429 Posts
On October 04 2011 22:43 Jinsho wrote: I think that much like MC he pretty much rode the wave of imbalanced protoss. 2 base colossus, 3 base colossus void ray, nothing else ever came out of him. Good luck with school/university to Cruncher, and I hope we won't see him again in SC2, unless he changes up his style. Here's a real winner of a quote, can definitely tell when someones only experience with a player is watching one series ( If that). He also manages to call the winninggest player in sc2 bad in the same paragraph too. I guess PvZ is the only matchup of importance when it comes to player style ( or that's the only thing idra cries about for him to mimic). | ||
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socommaster123
United States578 Posts
On October 05 2011 00:12 sekritzzz wrote: Funny thing is, idra fanboys point to this as being a testament to idra's statements. Weird how they forget the other quotes along the lines of: "Drewbie is shit and is riding the Terran OP bandwagon and will drop once they are nerfed and should probably apologize for playing the race", yet drewbie is still around playing at the top level of sc2 foreign pros. (not saying he is the best, but hes still top tier). Oh and my favorite Idra statement, "Morrow is a gold-tier player and would be complete shit if he switched to zerg. I will never whine about balance if he wins a tourney with zerg" Funny enough, morrow is a better zerg than Idra in most people's opinion. Idra fan boys remind me of those people who believe fortune tellers, for every 1000 prediction they make, one comes true and people believe them. Funny thing is Morrow isn't better than Idra in any way? And Drewbie hasn't had a notable tourney victory, he has potential to be good now in Korea but really these quotes haven't failed yet. | ||
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Resilient
United Kingdom1431 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:20 socommaster123 wrote: Funny thing is Morrow isn't better than Idra in any way? And Drewbie hasn't had a notable tourney victory, he has potential to be good now in Korea but really these quotes haven't failed yet. Morrow is just as good as Idra at Zerg. Idra has been consistently wrong about players he loses to. Mana is like 10-2 vs him in the last 3 months alone, after Idra called him trash. | ||
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laugoatse
Germany40 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On October 05 2011 00:00 sVnteen wrote: i guess he saw that he wouldnt make it far and left good for him to focus on school and maybe come back later very smart decision on his part i like it Way to jab at him and then cover it so you don't look like an ass.. | ||
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socommaster123
United States578 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:24 Resilient wrote: Morrow is just as good as Idra at Zerg. Idra has been consistently wrong about players he loses to. Mana is like 10-2 vs him in the last 3 months alone, after Idra called him trash. Mana is hella good | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
good luck in college | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:20 socommaster123 wrote: Funny thing is Morrow isn't better than Idra in any way? And Drewbie hasn't had a notable tourney victory, he has potential to be good now in Korea but really these quotes haven't failed yet. Morrow is as good as IdrA (if not better). His ZvP and ZvT are actually monstrous, and IMO his macro and gamesense are much better than IdrA. If he didn't have school he'd probably be kicking ass right now. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15511 Posts
Staying in school will make you more money, give you more stability, and let you live a more normal life than being a pro-gamer. People romanticize pro-gaming as if its some divine honor, but it really isn't. QXC did the same thing as well as plenty of others. Props to Cruncher for being logical. | ||
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:24 Resilient wrote: Morrow is just as good as Idra at Zerg. Idra has been consistently wrong about players he loses to. Mana is like 10-2 vs him in the last 3 months alone, after Idra called him trash. Trash and MaNa in the same sentence makes me giggle. Oh wait what is that I see in the right?! Oh IdrA is fun ^^. | ||
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khaosis
Canada96 Posts
Good luck to the rest of COL | ||
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Radook
Sweden326 Posts
Just because you like one player doesnt mean you have to hate another. | ||
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Sandro
897 Posts
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Wedberg
Sweden169 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:03 tuho12345 wrote: Awww so we can't see IdrA and Cruncher shaking hand ever? Or may be EG will pick up Cruncher lol If EG does this to troll IdrA, it would make me so, so happy. | ||
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:50 Sandro wrote: So is Cruncher withdrawing from the NASL? I believe he will play out the remainder of his contract? Till Jan / 2012? | ||
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Routa
Finland43 Posts
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
On October 04 2011 09:59 wichenks wrote: He definitely made a splash on the scene. | ||
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Bamm
Sweden279 Posts
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Legio
Sweden235 Posts
Big mistake on Crunchers part. He had the chance of 3-4 years of rockstar life (before competition got too fierce), stable wages from Col, fly around the world and play computer games, perhaps live in a Col house in Korea and practise with the best. Now he gets another 40 years of sitting in a cubicle working 9-5. There is no way he can go back to SC2 after school, as the competition is increasing so fast. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15511 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:48 khaosis wrote: If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. Good luck to the rest of COL I think it has more to do with the fact that any reasonable person would choose their college education over pro-gaming. A college graduate studying anything meaningful will have more financial security than 99.9% of pro-gamers. Not to mention its a reliable and easy to manage lifestyle. | ||
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DubLHelix
United States3 Posts
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Turquoise
Turkey145 Posts
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Lynda
649 Posts
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:39 motbob wrote: When Cruncher came onto the scene, Idra started losing and didn't stop. When Cruncher retired, Idra started playing better than he had in months! Coincidence? I think Cruncher was Idra's protoss smurf. Obviously he couldn't admit to anyone that he was playing Protoss because of all the things he'd said about Protoss players, so he created an alter-ego and got a friend (probably Axslav or Strifocro, but mostly likely Strifecro, because who would notice when he was missing?) to dress up in his Cruncher costume when he had to be Idra at tournaments. + Show Spoiler [IEM spoiler] + His win at IEM only cemented what he'd known for a while about Zerg actually being the op race, and Protoss being really hard to play and win with atm and that for a Protoss to beat a Zerg they need to be a much much better player than the Zerg. So he decided that it was time to retire Cruncher and focus 100% of his practice time to Zerg again. Don't worry though. If Idra starts to slump again then Cruncher will definitely be back. | ||
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ilikeLIONZ
Germany427 Posts
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EggYsc2
620 Posts
On October 05 2011 02:20 Legio wrote: Looks like Col just lost 300lbs. Big mistake on Crunchers part. He had the chance of 3-4 years of rockstar life (before competition got too fierce), stable wages from Col, fly around the world and play computer games, perhaps live in a Col house in Korea and practise with the best. Now he gets another 40 years of sitting in a cubicle working 9-5. There is no way he can go back to SC2 after school, as the competition is increasing so fast. Your perspective of life is so skewed its almost sad I think you need a reality check a serious reality check. If you think thats what life is...yeah sorry if thats what happened to you. But gambling on a E-SPORT is almost illogical, its all fun and games but at the end of the day if youre not top korean level youre not going to make a great living off this game. You have to think about the long-run of your life not just the short-run. I believe cruncher noticed he is good, but he is not the best(not winning MLGs, IEM etc) and it takes balls and a logical brain to know what is attainable and not attainable. No one knows what the future of ESPORTS is so unless youre an IdrA, MC, Nestea why take the gamble on life? Proffesional E-Sports is a life experiance but 90% of the time, it cant be a life-style. Cruncher noticed he is not the 10% | ||
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Resilient
United Kingdom1431 Posts
On October 05 2011 02:20 Legio wrote: Looks like Col just lost 300lbs. Big mistake on Crunchers part. He had the chance of 3-4 years of rockstar life (before competition got too fierce), stable wages from Col, fly around the world and play computer games, perhaps live in a Col house in Korea and practise with the best. Now he gets another 40 years of sitting in a cubicle working 9-5. There is no way he can go back to SC2 after school, as the competition is increasing so fast. I'm sorry but getting an education and career is a much better move than hoping you'll develop MVP skills and IdrA marketability. | ||
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Sandro
897 Posts
On October 05 2011 02:43 ilikeLIONZ wrote: this thread needs moderation, it's a pity what the real face of the sc2 community is, well mannered is something different. Nah, that's just the Idra fanboys. | ||
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.Enigma.
Sweden1461 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:04 Sorter wrote: Catz is underrated. Good luck to Cruncher in his studies however! Catz' is not underrated. Too bad about Cruncher though, he was pretty good but I'm sure he'll be back eventually. Let's hope for it atleast. | ||
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Ises
131 Posts
Really though I hope to see Cruncher back some time in the future trolling Idra <3 | ||
TG_Lelouch
United States134 Posts
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Legio
Sweden235 Posts
On October 05 2011 02:45 IOvEggY wrote: Your perspective of life is so skewed its almost sad I think you need a reality check a serious reality check. If you think thats what life is...yeah sorry if thats what happened to you. But gambling on a E-SPORT is almost illogical, its all fun and games but at the end of the day if youre not top korean level youre not going to make a great living off this game. You have to think about the long-run of your life not just the short-run. I believe cruncher noticed he is good, but he is not the best(not winning MLGs, IEM etc) and it takes balls and a logical brain to know what is attainable and not attainable. No one knows what the future of ESPORTS is so unless youre an IdrA, MC, Nestea why take the gamble on life? Proffesional E-Sports is a life experiance but 90% of the time, it cant be a life-style. Cruncher noticed he is not the 10% I don't agree. Cruncher is bad, that I can agree with.. and he will never win a tournament or get into the finals of anything. But look at whats happening to the scene, teams like Col and FXO have more money than they know what to do with so they splurge all over the few Americans that have a name in the hope of not missing out on the gold rush that is coming. Sure Koreans are better, but a korean doesnt sell an overpriced Razor laptop or a fancy mouse with 15 buttons. Cruncher was the top name of Col, and if he was smart he could have milked that for at least a couple of years before people realized he was trash. And life is not just about security. Cruncher may be fat, but hes still just a kid.. he should take the chance at a rockstar life now, because school isn't going anywhere. Look at Idra, he turned down a physics scholarship to go live on Artosis floor in Korea just so he could follow his dream. That is why we love Idra, and that is why Cruncher failed. | ||
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energeist
Canada21 Posts
On October 05 2011 02:57 Legio wrote: [...] at least a couple of years before people realized he was trash. Everyone with half a brain realized he was trash a long time ago, so I'm not sure if he would have had more of a chance to milk anything. | ||
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royal.cze
Canada287 Posts
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
On October 05 2011 03:04 royal.cze wrote: so did cruncher do anything besides you know beating idra that one time in the tsl ? He's beaten plenty of players way better than Idra. | ||
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AutomatonOmega
United States706 Posts
He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result. | ||
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royal.cze
Canada287 Posts
On October 05 2011 03:05 iamke55 wrote: He's beaten plenty of players way better than Idra. So Crunchers been beating Koreans ? I must have missed it. | ||
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kusto
Russian Federation823 Posts
There is no real contribution here, just Idras swarm creeping all over the place. Good luck to Cruncher. It was a fun experience for him, i bet. But it's time to move on in life. | ||
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Underoath
Peru113 Posts
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monXikk
Poland742 Posts
On October 05 2011 03:04 royal.cze wrote: so did cruncher do anything besides you know beating idra that one time in the tsl ? nah, he had some success making to the pool play at MLG, he probably beat some notable players here and there but basically thats it. Too bad for CoL, they lost their second best player. Gl to Abdulaziz. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38198 Posts
On October 05 2011 03:04 royal.cze wrote: so did cruncher do anything besides you know beating idra that one time in the tsl ? Made the MLG championship bracket every time he attended, mid-tabled NASL, won some NA cups. Cruncher never set the world on fire with his performances, but behind Kiwi and TT1 he was definitely one of the best Protoss in NA. This thread is fucking depressing me with how BM some people are about what's basically the retiment of a pretty strong NA player :/ | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
On October 05 2011 03:08 royal.cze wrote: So Crunchers been beating Koreans ? I must have missed it. Yeah you never really hear about it because in any tournament where you beat Koreans, the field is so tough that you just lose to another Korean and don't finish in the top 3. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 05 2011 02:21 Mohdoo wrote: I think it has more to do with the fact that any reasonable person would choose their college education over pro-gaming. A college graduate studying anything meaningful will have more financial security than 99.9% of pro-gamers. Not to mention its a reliable and easy to manage lifestyle. if you are good enough at a game to play it for money, you have to take the shot. college will wait for you | ||
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royal.cze
Canada287 Posts
On October 05 2011 03:11 monXikk wrote: nah, he had some success making to the pool play at MLG, he probably beat some notable players here and there but basically thats it. Too bad for CoL, they lost their second best player. Gl to Abdulaziz. Good call I remember that he did make it out of open play at one MLG right ? and went fairly deep in the loser championship bracket ? | ||
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AnalThermometer
Vatican City State334 Posts
On October 05 2011 03:06 AutomatonOmega wrote: The whole thing comes down to Cruncher having relied on playing abusively and turtling up on 3 bases in a sim city while waiting for 3/3/3 200/200 and steamrolling. If he'd explored the game and put in the work to be legitimately good like Hasu he'd still be in the scene and still thriving. He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result. Out of interest, could one of the Idra's fans explain to me what ISN'T classified as abusive play or relying on a bag of tricks? It seems if Cruncher 4gates, 6 gates, builds a Void Ray etc. that's abusive play which won't last long. Yet at the same time if you play extremely safe and turtle while building up your army that's also labelled as abusive play and some kind of trick. I AM CONFUSE. | ||
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
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uSnAmplified
United States1029 Posts
Can't say i was a fan of his play but gl in the future. | ||
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SySLeif
United States123 Posts
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phisku
Belgium864 Posts
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Horse...falcon
United States1851 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15511 Posts
On October 05 2011 03:40 SySLeif wrote: It happens, I'm glad he's making sure he is getting the most out of school though. You can't play SC2 for the rest of your life. Yeah and its pretty impressive what he's done so far while being in school. His entire career up to this point has been while being a full-time student. He's probably just getting into the higher level, more difficult classes which take considerably more time. People seem to forget he was never the kind of person who put his whole life into SC2 or something. It was a hobby for him. Just because he made it as far and farther in tournaments than full-time pros, doesn't mean he was a full-time pro | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On October 05 2011 03:08 royal.cze wrote: So Crunchers been beating Koreans ? I must have missed it. He beat Boxer at MLG when Boxer ended up in 3rd place. | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
I will forever miss Cruncher. WCR represent! I do hope he comes back one. He is a good player who I personally believe did not deserve to be a victim of hate from this community. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On October 05 2011 03:57 windsupernova wrote: He beat Boxer at MLG when Boxer ended up in 3rd place. He took a game not took him the whole series (which was impressive still). | ||
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AutomatonOmega
United States706 Posts
On October 05 2011 03:16 AnalThermometer wrote: Out of interest, could one of the Idra's fans explain to me what ISN'T classified as abusive play or relying on a bag of tricks? It seems if Cruncher 4gates, 6 gates, builds a Void Ray etc. that's abusive play which won't last long. Yet at the same time if you play extremely safe and turtle while building up your army that's also labelled as abusive play and some kind of trick. I AM CONFUSE. Leaning heavily on turtling with force fields and colossi and/or blink IMO. Abusing overpowered synergies without exploring other options and developing a playstyle around them that has difficulty competing when not allowed to adhere to that one, narrow strategy. Many protoss use these tactics, but most (again, like Hasu, sorry if it seems like I'm on his sack or something) that are actually skilled at the game employ them in an otherwise well-rounded repertoire that includes many other builds and strategies and doesn't fall apart in their absence. The times he didn't do the above that I observed were times where he was pulling rabbits out of hats to 'change it up' with phoenix harass. His mechanics, game sense, and multitasking were never up to the caliber of the likes of Naniwa or Hasuobs, or even Incontrol. This is all something he had the power to change himself but didn't out of laziness. All you really have to do to see the abusive Protoss players is track their performance since 1.3 and 1.4. Many started basically sucking, because they didn't have the skill to modify their approaches. Post-1.3, many in Korea started kinda sucking against zerg just because of the way the patch went to begin with, but it was a downhill decline ever since for the Protoss players that weren't able to play without their bags of tricks. | ||
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
On October 05 2011 04:14 AutomatonOmega wrote: Leaning heavily on turtling with force fields and colossi and/or blink IMO. Abusing overpowered synergies without exploring other options and developing a playstyle around them that has difficulty competing when not allowed to adhere to that one, narrow strategy. Many protoss use these tactics, but most (again, like Hasu, sorry if it seems like I'm on his sack or something) that are actually skilled at the game employ them in an otherwise well-rounded repertoire that includes many other builds and strategies and doesn't fall apart in their absence. The times he didn't do the above that I observed were times where he was pulling rabbits out of hats to 'change it up' with phoenix harass. His mechanics, game sense, and multitasking were never up to the caliber of the likes of Naniwa or Hasuobs, or even Incontrol. This is all something he had the power to change himself but didn't out of laziness. All you really have to do to see the abusive Protoss players is track their performance since 1.3 and 1.4. Many started basically sucking, because they didn't have the skill to modify their approaches. Post-1.3, many in Korea started kinda sucking against zerg just because of the way the patch went to begin with, but it was a downhill decline ever since for the Protoss players that weren't able to play without their bags of tricks. You are so stupid it hurts. Which other strategies should he have been using, out of interest? You are basically abusing him for using strats that worked, then calling him out on his post 1.3 performance when ALL match ups were showing sub 50% win rates for Protoss players, even Koreans. I don't see you telling Idra to stop using muta/ling because you deem it 'abusive' for some abiguous reason only you are aware off. The part about his mechanics and him being 'lazy' are the best - how do you even know this? Hes taken games off exceptional players with very solid play! Hes quitting sc2 to go to SCHOOL. SCHOOL. How is that a bad thing? Jesus these threads man.. Good luck to Cruncher. I thought he was pretty manner, especially at MLG trying to shake Idras hand. For the record I'm an Idra fan also, I just hate retards. gl Cruncher! | ||
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maximuspita
1093 Posts
We need more | ||
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striderxxx
Canada443 Posts
repeat - Naniwa is all they have. any members of MVP don't really count as a COL member, they are just training partners. | ||
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iAmBiGbiRd
Australia1029 Posts
As for people saying that he left because toss is weak now and he had no skill so it's fitting or whatever 1) He was always a student first and foremost so it's only logical 2) Why would he want to commit time and effort when after all this time and effort if he ever wins anything he cops a fucking ridiculous amount of Flak for it from the very heart of the community that is supposed to be supporting this game/the players 3) He would rape the face off of EVERY poster who said stupid things like "Good riddance" and "Saw it coming, he's bad anyway" Once again no disrespect to IdrA because i think he's great but most of his fans are so fucking stupid i can't even comprehend their thought process but i think it's something along the lines of that they leach from him and think that when he wins they are, in turn, better than the fans of the player he defeated aswell Example: IdrA 3-1 Elfi (Not using this specifically, as it's happened many times IdRa fanboys = LOL IdrA BEST IN WORLD, SHIT EURO SCRUB ABUSER CHEESER DOWN (People defend Elfi) YOUR AN IDIOT, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS GAME AT ALL I BET YOUR SOME BRONZE SCRUB Sigh, sorry for my rant, it's 6 am and i havent slept in two days lol back to the topic GL in everything you do CrunCher and i hope when you either finish study/have more time and motivation you come back stronger than ever Rage at me all you want, i'm going to sleep | ||
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iAmBiGbiRd
Australia1029 Posts
On October 05 2011 04:22 Trowa127 wrote: You are so stupid it hurts. Which other strategies should he have been using, out of interest? You are basically abusing him for using strats that worked, then calling him out on his post 1.3 performance when ALL match ups were showing sub 50% win rates for Protoss players, even Koreans. I don't see you telling Idra to stop using muta/ling because you deem it 'abusive' for some abiguous reason only you are aware off. The part about his mechanics and him being 'lazy' are the best - how do you even know this? Hes taken games off exceptional players with very solid play! Hes quitting sc2 to go to SCHOOL. SCHOOL. How is that a bad thing? Jesus these threads man.. Good luck to Cruncher. I thought he was pretty manner, especially at MLG trying to shake Idras hand. For the record I'm an Idra fan also, I just hate retards. gl Cruncher! In hindsight i should have just QFT this comment and said GL to CrunCher lol | ||
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
On October 05 2011 04:46 iAmBiGbiRd wrote: In hindsight i should have just QFT this comment and said GL to CrunCher lol It had to be said. Its mind blowing the legnths that some people will go in an attempt to justify an argument that is at best, fucking moronic. Idra is a great player, that doesn't mean these morons have to act like a retard 'defending' him against people who beat him in the past. Sorry I'm raging pretty hard right now. | ||
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IGotPlayguuu
Italy660 Posts
"You'll be remembered, Crunher... | ||
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CaptainSlow
Malaysia164 Posts
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Treva
United States533 Posts
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leandroqm
Netherlands874 Posts
We will be waiting for you when you graduate. | ||
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uSnAmplified
United States1029 Posts
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
Complexity just doesn't learn do they. | ||
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Zalgradis
United Kingdom2 Posts
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CurLy[]
United States759 Posts
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
On October 05 2011 04:49 Trowa127 wrote: It had to be said. Its mind blowing the legnths that some people will go in an attempt to justify an argument that is at best, fucking moronic. Idra is a great player, that doesn't mean these morons have to act like a retard 'defending' him against people who beat him in the past. Sorry I'm raging pretty hard right now. I agree. It needed to be said, its not just Idra fan boys but they're probably the worst (I take that with a pinch of salt, because there are more of them, so of course there are going to be more retards). I wasn't the biggest Cruncher fan because I thought the style he used in the TSL was really boring, but to criticise him for using a style that worked makes my head hurt. Frankly I think every zerg is more boring to watch then July, but I don't criticise them for choosing to play the style that wins them games. | ||
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Pylons
Canada54 Posts
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SeLpHy
Germany73 Posts
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Sandro
897 Posts
On October 05 2011 05:25 mrpylons wrote: I dont like how everyone is/was mean to Cruncher, his playstyle was completely fine. RIP Uh, hes not dead or anything. | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
After being such a great player, some time for school might not be such a bad idea. | ||
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AutomatonOmega
United States706 Posts
On October 05 2011 04:22 Trowa127 wrote: You are so stupid it hurts. Which other strategies should he have been using, out of interest? You are basically abusing him for using strats that worked, then calling him out on his post 1.3 performance when ALL match ups were showing sub 50% win rates for Protoss players, even Koreans. I don't see you telling Idra to stop using muta/ling because you deem it 'abusive' for some abiguous reason only you are aware off. The part about his mechanics and him being 'lazy' are the best - how do you even know this? Hes taken games off exceptional players with very solid play! Hes quitting sc2 to go to SCHOOL. SCHOOL. How is that a bad thing? Jesus these threads man.. Good luck to Cruncher. I thought he was pretty manner, especially at MLG trying to shake Idras hand. For the record I'm an Idra fan also, I just hate retards. gl Cruncher! You hanging off of Cruncher's nuts is a great indication of my intellectual capacity, thx. Look at other Protoss that don't have to turtle for the first 10-15 minutes of a game to get wins off of competent players. I'm biased against people that aren't entertaining to spectate. Listen to the State of the Game guys talk about Cruncher's play being boring and unimaginative, then come back and justify your point of view. Regardless of your feelings as to Cruncher's relative skill vs the rest of the field, you can't say the fucker's exciting to watch and not come across as a forced apologetic. Also he's only going back to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he can't make it as a pro gamer. Since we're on the subject of Idra, you don't see him going to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he doesn't fucking have to. He was contemplating pursuing an engineering degree or something when he went pro the first time. | ||
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
On October 05 2011 05:21 Eufouria wrote: I wasn't the biggest Cruncher fan because I thought the style he used in the TSL was really boring, but to criticise him for using a style that worked makes my head hurt. Frankly I think every zerg is more boring to watch then July, but I don't criticise them for choosing to play the style that wins them games. You have to admit though that idras prediction of Cruncher became true. The "abusive" style people criticized Cruncher for gets bad -> Cruncher gets bad -> Cruncher quits. So yes, it's stupid to criticize him for using a style that won him games, but you can criticize him for not being able to win games once that style stopped working so well. (But frankly, I don't give a shit. But idra-fanboyism-hate is not better than idra-fanboyism.) | ||
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josemb40
Peru611 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On October 05 2011 05:33 blackone wrote: You have to admit though that idras prediction of Cruncher became true. The "abusive" style people criticized Cruncher for gets bad -> Cruncher gets bad -> Cruncher quits. So yes, it's stupid to criticize him for using a style that won him games, but you can criticize him for not being able to win games once that style stopped working so well. (But frankly, I don't give a shit. But idra-fanboyism-hate is not better than idra-fanboyism.) Cruncher is relatively just as good now as he was then. Beating Idra doesn't make someone instantly amazing. | ||
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
On October 05 2011 05:32 AutomatonOmega wrote: You hanging off of Cruncher's nuts is a great indication of my intellectual capacity, thx. Look at other Protoss that don't have to turtle for the first 10-15 minutes of a game to get wins off of competent players. I'm biased against people that aren't entertaining to spectate. Listen to the State of the Game guys talk about Cruncher's play being boring and unimaginative, then come back and justify your point of view. Regardless of your feelings as to Cruncher's relative skill vs the rest of the field, you can't say the fucker's exciting to watch and not come across as a forced apologetic. Also he's only going back to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he can't make it as a pro gamer. Since we're on the subject of Idra, you don't see him going to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he doesn't fucking have to. He was contemplating pursuing an engineering degree or something when he went pro the first time. How the fuck do you know why he went back to school? You don't know him, I don't know him, its pure speculation. Maybe he went back to school because its a much safer career path and he wanted some security? And we weren't actually on the subject of Idra, you just seem to be randomly bringing him up to justify your own stupidity. I'm not even hanging off his nuts. Hes a mid tier protoss player, he beat some good players, hes boring but his style works. Macro Zerg games are often just as boring but they work, that is all thats important. I don't need to listen to Incontrol and Tyler to formulate my own opinion of a semi-succesful player. You are just bashing him for no reason, and looking like a retard in the process, claiming that hes quitting because his style no longer works, when if you look at his TLPD his most recent opponents have been stupidly high level (Boxer, Demuslim, Hero, Puma, Rain, Mana) and you are criticising him for losing to some of the best players in sc2? Stop trolling threads because you think you're smart. Again, gl Cruncher. You accomplished a lot with some notable wins, and no doubt had some good experiences to take into later life. Gl with your studies. | ||
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RusHXceL
United States1004 Posts
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AutomatonOmega
United States706 Posts
On October 05 2011 05:59 Trowa127 wrote: How the fuck do you know why he went back to school? You don't know him, I don't know him, its pure speculation. Maybe he went back to school because its a much safer career path and he wanted some security? And we weren't actually on the subject of Idra, you just seem to be randomly bringing him up to justify your own stupidity. I'm not even hanging off his nuts. Hes a mid tier protoss player, he beat some good players, hes boring but his style works. Macro Zerg games are often just as boring but they work, that is all thats important. I don't need to listen to Incontrol and Tyler to formulate my own opinion of a semi-succesful player. You are just bashing him for no reason, and looking like a retard in the process. Stop trolling threads because you think you're smart. Again, gl Cruncher. You accomplished a lot with some notable wins, and no doubt had some good experiences to take into later life. Gl with your studies. Here in the United States, going back to college isn't necessarily a safer career path considering the current state of the economy. Cruncher already had a job capable of paying post-collegiate salary, assuming he was capable of being competitive. Just returning to school by itself doesn't guarantee a position upon graduation, many of the more lucrative fields are fusterclucked with candidates specifically because of the state of the US economy and its affect on the job market. By leaving the pro gaming scene, Cruncher might've relegated himself to a blue-collar existence with a degree that means virtually nothing if he lacks the connections to land a job immediately upon graduating. However, had he stayed a pro gamer, he was already on an excellent team and had he grown and developed as a player after the nerfs, he would've continued to turn heads. But I doubt he had what it takes to do that. His team had also acquired Naniwa, so the likelihood of Cruncher continuing to represent on any respectable level without changing races was low to nil. And why the fuck do your arguments always have to go back to me being stupid? Express your opinions without personal attacks or eat a dick. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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IShowUMagic
United States104 Posts
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
On October 05 2011 06:08 AutomatonOmega wrote: Here in the United States, going back to college isn't necessarily a safer career path considering the current state of the economy. Cruncher already had a job capable of paying post-collegiate salary, assuming he was capable of being competitive. Just returning to school by itself doesn't guarantee a position upon graduation, many of the more lucrative fields are fusterclucked with candidates specifically because of the state of the US economy and its affect on the job market. By leaving the pro gaming scene, Cruncher might've relegated himself to a blue-collar existence with a degree that means virtually nothing if he lacks the connections to land a job immediately upon graduating. However, had he stayed a pro gamer, he was already on an excellent team and had he grown and developed as a player after the nerfs, he would've continued to turn heads. But I doubt he had what it takes to do that. His team had also acquired Naniwa, so the likelihood of Cruncher continuing to represent on any respectable level without changing races was low to nil. And why the fuck do your arguments always have to go back to me being stupid? Express your opinions without personal attacks or eat a dick. Again, 'might've,' 'isn't neccessarily,' you are just dealing in speculation, you have NO idea as to his personal circumstances so you can't even begin to try and insinuate him leaving pro-gaming to go back into education is because hes 'fallen off.' And the reason I call you stupid is because you are obviously only here to troll, the guys going onto do something he wants, why can't people just be supportive? | ||
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Emporio
United States3069 Posts
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ilikeLIONZ
Germany427 Posts
On October 05 2011 05:33 blackone wrote: You have to admit though that idras prediction of Cruncher became true. The "abusive" style people criticized Cruncher for gets bad -> Cruncher gets bad -> Cruncher quits. So yes, it's stupid to criticize him for using a style that won him games, but you can criticize him for not being able to win games once that style stopped working so well. (But frankly, I don't give a shit. But idra-fanboyism-hate is not better than idra-fanboyism.) he had successful runs at MLG after the style he showcased in TSL stopped working, so i dont have an idea what you are talking about. ppl like you won't accept that he is still a good player, coz they want idra's prediction to come true just to ride idra's dick even harder. idra's prediction never came true, cruncher is still that "average" guy who is not at the very top of the playerlist but he's doing well/alright when he participates in tournaments. apparently it was enough to beat idra in a BO3 and to get into pool play everytime he attended a MLG from the open bracket. sorry to disappoint you! | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
I guess we need to bump that rekrul thread again. | ||
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AutomatonOmega
United States706 Posts
Now you leave to go to college. Riiiiiight. One doesn't make such a lifestyle-altering choice without there being extenuating circumstances helping the choice along. If everything in Cruncher's pro career was going swimmingly, he would've done what every other actually skilled and talented pro is doing and save up their salary to go to school when the money dries up. But he's not doing that now, is he? I think you have a crush on me. Looking through your post history, I see no evidence of you being anything but a really supportive person to pretty much everyone but myself. But we've only just met! Why you've picked me to be the object of your crusade is confusing considering there's a lot of other people being way more trollish than I am even in this very thread. Is it because I'm American? I don't see you laying into the Spanish fellow there further up the thread who's basically saying the exact thing I am. | ||
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fortheGG
United Kingdom1002 Posts
You hanging off of Cruncher's nuts is a great indication of my intellectual capacity, thx. Your need to resort to personal attacks is a great indication of your intellectual capacity. | ||
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AutomatonOmega
United States706 Posts
On October 05 2011 06:23 fortheGG wrote: Happy for him, at some point everyone has to make a choice and I hope this is the right one for him. Your need to resort to personal attacks is a great indication of your intellectual capacity. Did you even read the post that was quoting? I didn't start the personal attacks, ass. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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Emporio
United States3069 Posts
On October 05 2011 06:24 AutomatonOmega wrote: Did you even read the post that was quoting? I didn't start the personal attacks, ass. lol at the irony here | ||
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FlamingTurd
United States1059 Posts
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On October 05 2011 05:32 AutomatonOmega wrote: You hanging off of Cruncher's nuts is a great indication of my intellectual capacity, thx. Look at other Protoss that don't have to turtle for the first 10-15 minutes of a game to get wins off of competent players. I'm biased against people that aren't entertaining to spectate. Listen to the State of the Game guys talk about Cruncher's play being boring and unimaginative, then come back and justify your point of view. Regardless of your feelings as to Cruncher's relative skill vs the rest of the field, you can't say the fucker's exciting to watch and not come across as a forced apologetic. Also he's only going back to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he can't make it as a pro gamer. Since we're on the subject of Idra, you don't see him going to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he doesn't fucking have to. He was contemplating pursuing an engineering degree or something when he went pro the first time. You need to stop sucking IdrA's dick and let others do what they want. Protoss turtle or not, just like Zerg playing cheesy or turtle as well. Everyone has different opinion. THey play how the fuck they want. They do what the fuck they want for their future. Yes the economy is shitty. But studying for the better future is not the bad thing. You can't play SC until you're 65 years old and retire. So study is a lil break or wiser decision. Again, he has better result than most of progamers even in EG or other team. So how the hell do you know he can't make it as a progamer? User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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xbankx
703 Posts
On October 05 2011 06:16 Emporio wrote: The fact that there are people here arguing that going to college is a financially stupid move compared to trying to make a living in progaming blows my mind. Idra fans got to somehow make it so that cruncher is leaving only progaming to go onto a worse path in life.... | ||
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danson
United States689 Posts
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
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wichenks
Canada153 Posts
On October 05 2011 06:32 danson wrote: whoa this thread took a nose dive REAL quick Very true, was meant as a GL to cruncher, not a subtle slap in the face to him. Doesn't really matter what you think of his playstyle, he was a manner guy for the most part and didn't deserve most of the flak he got | ||
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RyanRushia
United States2748 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5588 Posts
Its sad that he is going though. I liked him as a player and as a person. | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On October 05 2011 06:08 AutomatonOmega wrote: Here in the United States, going back to college isn't necessarily a safer career path considering the current state of the economy. Cruncher already had a job capable of paying post-collegiate salary, assuming he was capable of being competitive. Just returning to school by itself doesn't guarantee a position upon graduation, many of the more lucrative fields are fusterclucked with candidates specifically because of the state of the US economy and its affect on the job market. By leaving the pro gaming scene, Cruncher might've relegated himself to a blue-collar existence with a degree that means virtually nothing if he lacks the connections to land a job immediately upon graduating. However, had he stayed a pro gamer, he was already on an excellent team and had he grown and developed as a player after the nerfs, he would've continued to turn heads. But I doubt he had what it takes to do that. His team had also acquired Naniwa, so the likelihood of Cruncher continuing to represent on any respectable level without changing races was low to nil. And why the fuck do your arguments always have to go back to me being stupid? Express your opinions without personal attacks or eat a dick. Nobody cares about your subjective opinions and misguided statements on career choices. I'm doing my higher education in America right now, and I can sure as hell say, as long as you are not doing your education in a lower rung college, and not just trying to scrape through with just a pass grade, college education gives you an excellent foundation to launch your career. Also unless your aim in life is to flip a burger in McDonalds or to just make money to survive, college education helps you immensely in achieving your goals (especially career related ones). If not for the education, just the networking opportunities that you get in college are priceless, and the entire experience is worth every single penny you pay. Look at the census info from US government Bureau of Labor Statistics. (scroll down to the table 5 and look at median value for Males over 25 with a college degree and compare it with those without) Click The first prize for winning an MLG is 5000 $. And more often than not a Korean is going to win it. Most graduates from my college make more money than that along with additional benefits. Hell, with all due respect to IdrA, I'm pretty sure I'm going to be making more money than him per year (on average over a period of 10 years), when I graduate. E-sports is fine if your entire passion in life lies with it. But if your goal is to make money and do other things, then you're better off with college education and alternate career paths instead of betting your life on a video game whose balance and longevity lies in the hands of a third person or entity (in this case, Blizzard). | ||
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MrNastyTime
United States45 Posts
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On October 05 2011 06:24 AutomatonOmega wrote: Did you even read the post that was quoting? I didn't start the personal attacks, ass. yes you did. also cruncher was just as good as he was before, even after he stopped playing as 'abusive' (he still was kinda turtlish but not as bad as before) he made it into the championship bracket of MLG every time he attended. thats fucking good. | ||
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SySLeif
United States123 Posts
On October 05 2011 03:54 Mohdoo wrote: Yeah and its pretty impressive what he's done so far while being in school. His entire career up to this point has been while being a full-time student. He's probably just getting into the higher level, more difficult classes which take considerably more time. People seem to forget he was never the kind of person who put his whole life into SC2 or something. It was a hobby for him. Just because he made it as far and farther in tournaments than full-time pros, doesn't mean he was a full-time pro Agreed it is very impressive. He has a good natural grasp for it, and I think only a certain personality of people do. | ||
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parkin
1079 Posts
gg hf Cruncher! | ||
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Minitron
Scotland37 Posts
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
On October 05 2011 06:50 Piledriver wrote: Nobody cares about your subjective opinions and misguided statements on career choices. I'm doing my higher education in America right now, and I can sure as hell say, as long as you are not doing your education in a lower rung college, and not just trying to scrape through with just a pass grade, college education gives you an excellent foundation to launch your career. Also unless your aim in life is to flip a burger in McDonalds or to just make money to survive, college education helps you immensely in achieving your goals (especially career related ones). If not for the education, just the networking opportunities that you get in college are priceless, and the entire experience is worth every single penny you pay. Look at the census info from US government Bureau of Labor Statistics. (scroll down to the table 5 and look at median value for Males over 25 with a college degree and compare it with those without) Click The first prize for winning an MLG is 5000 $. And more often than not a Korean is going to win it. Most graduates from my college make more money than that along with additional benefits. Hell, with all due respect to IdrA, I'm pretty sure I'm going to be making more money than him per year (on average over a period of 10 years), when I graduate. E-sports is fine if your entire passion in life lies with it. But if your goal is to make money and do other things, then you're better off with college education and alternate career paths instead of betting your life on a video game whose balance and longevity lies in the hands of a third person or entity (in this case, Blizzard). Idra doesn't get paid only on his winnings. | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On October 05 2011 07:53 Dexington wrote: Idra doesn't get paid only on his winnings. I know, that's why I said on an average over 10 years. I highly doubt if he's going to command the same salary that he does over a long period of time. Of course, I could be totally wrong, but I would be happy if e-sports had such a stable business model and potential for growth. | ||
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Brainling
United States660 Posts
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Theeakoz
United States1114 Posts
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TaurinE
Canada35 Posts
On October 05 2011 08:59 Brainling wrote: I can't believe people are actually lampooning a guy for choosing his education over video games. What in the holy christ is wrong with some of you people. Even if he never makes a dime from his education, it's still a better god damn choice than video games. Knowledge and education are power, not being good at Protoss in a video game. Snap back to the real world for a second folks. No thanks, I'll stick to this world. ^_^ | ||
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CinnaBuns
United States34 Posts
On October 05 2011 08:06 Piledriver wrote: I know, that's why I said on an average over 10 years. I highly doubt if he's going to command the same salary that he does over a long period of time. Of course, I could be totally wrong, but I would be happy if e-sports had such a stable business model and potential for growth. Agreed. Team TSL in Korea paid their top players about $30,000 US dollars a year (source). Being in Code S gets you $1000 every tourney. Assuming you are one of the 32 best players on the planet and manage to stay in Code S for a whole year, you can earn just north of $40,000 in salary. Unless you're Nestea or MVP, your annual earnings will likely be $50,000 tops (assuming the player wins smaller tourneys now and then), and that's for being one of the best 32 players on the planet in one of the most competitive possible careers. I don't know how much non-Koreans (or even non-TSL members) get paid, but I suspect it is comparable or somewhere south of what is possible in Korea, especially since Koreans take all the big foreign tourneys anyway. To top it off, your longevity is as good as the shelf life of a video game. And certainly, 90% of pro players are not top tier and playing in Code S every month, so earning even $30000-$50000 annually is likely out of reach. To the vast majority of players who are good enough to be progamers, but not good enough to be Nestea or MVP, going to college and studying something useful is definitely a better long term investment, in spite of what a few bitter recent graduates may have to say about it. All that being said, I respect progamers for doing what they love. Not everyone has financial stability at the top of their list of priorities, at least not at the age that most progamers are at. But given the financial reality that is e-sports today, it's hard to fault someone for putting school first. | ||
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stork4ever
United States1036 Posts
It's crazy how some sc2 fans think giving up gaming for schooling is a bad idea. In 10 years, all these teams, prize pools, and fame will be a shell of their former selves. Even if it was going stronger, noone can be good forever, and from the current state of the game, Koreans will take all the money. This is not the nba/nfl/mlb where you can make enough money in a short window to last you forever. At best, they will be making what 100k a year? Save that over 10 years and you still cannot retire, you will need a job. Unless you are lucky enough to get a commentator/coach, good luck getting a regular job with "MLG champion 2013 Kentucky" as your selling point on your resume. This is a game and a hobby, unless we pull a Korea and Cruncher becomes the next Boxer, there is no way he can support himself and his family in the future by being a "pro" gamer. If anything, other "pros" need to plan their own future as well. | ||
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eddytlaw
United States102 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:03 tuho12345 wrote: Awww so we can't see IdrA and Cruncher shaking hand ever? Or may be EG will pick up Cruncher lol probably not. | ||
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Tortious_Tortoise
United States944 Posts
Yeah Cruncher straight up isn't good enough to be on EG. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On October 05 2011 10:04 mbr2321 wrote: Yeah Cruncher straight up isn't good enough to be on EG. because he hasn't out performed Axslav or StrifeCro... Hell his MLG showings have been more impressive than incontrol's too. Its hilarious how much hate this guy gets for winning ONE best of three. Get over yourself Idra fanboys. Good luck with school, its the smart move. Hopefully we see him once school is finished. | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On October 05 2011 10:20 jmbthirteen wrote: because he hasn't out performed Axslav or StrifeCro... Hell his MLG showings have been more impressive than incontrol's too. Its hilarious how much hate this guy gets for winning ONE best of three. Get over yourself Idra fanboys. Good luck with school, its the smart move. Hopefully we see him once school is finished. This, this ,this, soo much this. Everytime I see a post by an IdrA fanboy, I pretty much picture a huge guy frothing at the edges of his mouth, mashing the keyboard furiously about how IdrA is right and everyone else who doesn't play zerg is pretty much a baddie. | ||
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GotTheLife
91 Posts
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On October 05 2011 10:33 GotTheLife wrote: Cruncher is actually a great player, no matter what most people say. GL with school man, hopefully you can come back and own! This and the above, not like i enjoy his playstyle but he deserves more then he gets credit for in this topic, it is rather hollow to see the idra fans spamming mindlessly there copied hate towards a player idra doomed from the start. But hey what else is new. Best of luck to you Crunsher ! | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
They have Stepahno's money (but not Stephano ) | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24824 Posts
All of this based on the fact Idra raged out at the guy. I personally like Idra's personality, but god can I not stand his fanboys who just go around shitting on other players because their king doesn't approve their playstyle. Grow the fuck up. Mr Fields is big enough to fight his own battles, 90% of which he starts in the first place. He no doubt regards sections of his Grackolytes as pretty pathetic anyway so you're not going to get to suck his dick no matter how much white-knighting you do on his behalf. If you didn't have a range of divergent playstyles this game wouldn't be half as fun to watch, even if you consider them 'abusive'. Pretty funny really how much hate high-level players get on here, you know the kinds of guys who say that Puma is a bad player. Good luck to Cruncher and whatever course his life takes him. Guy had the grace to accept his last MLG loss to Idra and went to shake his hand, and didn't even get that. No wonder he's taking a break if this kind of behaviour is regarded as acceptable in the community now. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37003 Posts
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Chamie
Sweden40 Posts
Good luck in the future Crunch! | ||
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Deezl
United States355 Posts
Handle your Scholastics, sir Crunch | ||
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
In all honesty the guy wasn't posing any "oh so impressive" result except for very few wins ( aka win vs Idra in TSL ) so it might be right decision to focus on school if he has the money for it. | ||
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Fatze
Germany1342 Posts
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Pipeline
Sweden1673 Posts
*puts on glasses* crunch time is over. | ||
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morlakaix
United States860 Posts
anyway good luck to him, school and playing professionally is probably really tough (as someone quoted QXC about it) hope everything goes well | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
God i get so sick of the internet. | ||
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
On October 05 2011 15:25 Aterons_toss wrote: And suddenly in January EG will announce and announcement and husky will say in one of his vids: " Did you heard Cruncher is joining EG"... and non will know what hes talking about. In all honesty the guy wasn't posing any "oh so impressive" result except for very few wins ( aka win vs Idra in TSL ) so it might be right decision to focus on school if he has the money for it. He qualified to pool play from the open bracket in MLG at least twice, and had decent results (eventhough his pool play results were not that good) | ||
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dsxrflol
42 Posts
On October 05 2011 06:50 Piledriver wrote: Nobody cares about your subjective opinions and misguided statements on career choices. I'm doing my higher education in America right now, and I can sure as hell say, as long as you are not doing your education in a lower rung college, and not just trying to scrape through with just a pass grade, college education gives you an excellent foundation to launch your career. Also unless your aim in life is to flip a burger in McDonalds or to just make money to survive, college education helps you immensely in achieving your goals (especially career related ones). If not for the education, just the networking opportunities that you get in college are priceless, and the entire experience is worth every single penny you pay. Look at the census info from US government Bureau of Labor Statistics. (scroll down to the table 5 and look at median value for Males over 25 with a college degree and compare it with those without) Click The first prize for winning an MLG is 5000 $. And more often than not a Korean is going to win it. Most graduates from my college make more money than that along with additional benefits. Hell, with all due respect to IdrA, I'm pretty sure I'm going to be making more money than him per year (on average over a period of 10 years), when I graduate. E-sports is fine if your entire passion in life lies with it. But if your goal is to make money and do other things, then you're better off with college education and alternate career paths instead of betting your life on a video game whose balance and longevity lies in the hands of a third person or entity (in this case, Blizzard). you're a bad man, that one blew a lot of imaginary worlds : ( | ||
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WarLockx
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
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Shadow_Dog
Canada427 Posts
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Brandish
United States339 Posts
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MildSeven
Canada311 Posts
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Plutonik
Canada329 Posts
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legendre20
United States316 Posts
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nath
United States1788 Posts
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CojoStarcraft
Canada8 Posts
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redDuke
Australia207 Posts
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arrrk
63 Posts
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Drmooose
United States390 Posts
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Imalengrat
Australia365 Posts
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RoscHii
Germany3 Posts
Guess Nani will have to take his place as Col.'s toss well, not that big of a deal imo. NaNi is AT LEAST twice as good as cruncher... I wont miss him anyways. | ||
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Bayyne
United States1967 Posts
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JeffJohnson
Germany62 Posts
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Azera
3800 Posts
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JimmyHollow
United Kingdom249 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On October 06 2011 03:25 Brandish wrote: is he going to forfeit the rest of his games in the NASL? or continue playing until january I'm also curious as to this. I just saw him beating Fenix in NASL and his DT/Warp prism harass was pretty cool. Shame to lose a player. | ||
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zarass
Botswana3 Posts
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xiaominmyo
United States4 Posts
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AutomatonOmega
United States706 Posts
GL Cruncher, and have fun in college with all the women and debauchery and the like. | ||
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Coindrop
United States203 Posts
Best of luck to him in his studies though. School is important yo. | ||
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Jongl0
631 Posts
On October 07 2011 19:25 FreshandLegit wrote: You all realize that the 'hate' doesn't just stem from IdrA fanboys and biased followers. Cruncher dug himself a pretty decent grave in the wc3 scene, Shit manners, lots of egoboosting, he had a lot of haters back then as well. He has wised up some since those days but still its not all unjustified "fanboyism." Best of luck to him in his studies though. School is important yo. This is true, I'm in no way biased or a fanboy of IdrA and I still don't like this guy. He made the right choice imo, don't think he'll become any better. | ||
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OsmOse
Canada18 Posts
As much as I like mini-gun...haven't seen any meaningful results out of him. I'd agree CoL is looking rather weak right... I never viewed Cruncher as that great of a player either. | ||
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Nazeron
Canada1046 Posts
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xCenasfu
Finland143 Posts
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onedayclose
United States1145 Posts
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arrrk
63 Posts
On October 07 2011 19:25 FreshandLegit wrote: You all realize that the 'hate' doesn't just stem from IdrA fanboys and biased followers. Cruncher dug himself a pretty decent grave in the wc3 scene, Shit manners, lots of egoboosting, he had a lot of haters back then as well. He has wised up some since those days but still its not all unjustified "fanboyism." Best of luck to him in his studies though. School is important yo. Umm what? Why make something up that is completely untrue? But yeah just read my post on the previous page. Hes not gone for good | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
On October 08 2011 13:06 arrrk wrote: Umm what? Why make something up that is completely untrue? But yeah just read my post on the previous page. Hes not gone for good He's not making something up. Were you a part of the WC3 scene? | ||
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arrrk
63 Posts
On October 08 2011 13:13 IPA wrote: He's not making something up. Were you a part of the WC3 scene? Yes, I've been apart of the scene since 2005. Saying he was bm and had a lot of haters is simply untrue. Yeah he would say some things here and there but if you consider that bm then you must not have been apart of leagues and are merely basing off what you're saying from what you've heard. | ||
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grandkai
Canada71 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:04 Sorter wrote: Catz is underrated. Good luck to Cruncher in his studies however! lol? | ||
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JayDee_
548 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote: Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3 idra is just bitter he's not the bonjwa everybody thought he would be. You can't blame a person for wanting to go to school. Pro SC2 is not a good long term career choice. Unfortunately, most pro-gamers are just treading water and will eventually need to move on to something else. Cruncher sees the dead end and is moving on before he wastes any more time. More power to him imo. | ||
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
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MildSeven
Canada311 Posts
On October 09 2011 00:48 Huragius wrote: This is actually quite a big lose for NA Protoss scene (which is almost non-existent without KiWiKaKi and HuK now counts as a korean). Kiwikaki and Huk still counts as NA if you ask me, besides, Cruncher is negligent in the NA scene to begin with. As for "Foreign" in general, i can name hasoub, elfi, sase, just 3 off the top of my head who are phenomenally better than Cruncher | ||
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
On October 09 2011 04:17 MildSeven wrote: Kiwikaki and Huk still counts as NA if you ask me, besides, Cruncher is negligent in the NA scene to begin with. As for "Foreign" in general, i can name hasoub, elfi, sase, just 3 off the top of my head who are phenomenally better than Cruncher And I can name even more 10 better protoss players from all foreigners. I was talking about NA scene and Cruncher was one of the better protosses there. And Huk situation is arguable. I count him as a korean now. | ||
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Mallard86
186 Posts
On October 04 2011 10:04 Sorter wrote: Catz is underrated. Good luck to Cruncher in his studies however! I think Catz has bad mechanics. I also see him do a lot of silly things and throw matches away. He does, however, do some brilliant things here and there. | ||
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MildSeven
Canada311 Posts
On October 09 2011 04:23 Huragius wrote: And I can name even more 10 better protoss players from all foreigners. I was talking about NA scene and Cruncher was one of the better protosses there. And Huk situation is arguable. I count him as a korean now. You're from Lithuania, i am actually from NA. You exxagerate, Cruncher really isn't big in the NA scene. | ||
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
On October 09 2011 09:00 MildSeven wrote: You're from Lithuania, i am actually from NA. You exxagerate, Cruncher really isn't big in the NA scene. That is a very valid and strong argument coming from a newcomer in TL lol. | ||
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Zuxo
Sweden395 Posts
On October 09 2011 09:00 MildSeven wrote: You're from Lithuania, i am actually from NA. You exxagerate, Cruncher really isn't big in the NA scene. Hahaa what?! lol | ||
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MildSeven
Canada311 Posts
On October 09 2011 09:52 Huragius wrote: That is a very valid and strong argument coming from a newcomer in TL lol. that is a very solid sarcastic counter argument from someone who joined TL 1 month earlier and in defense of a game that is nascent 1 year old who happens to post 7x more. | ||
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Outsited
United States189 Posts
On October 08 2011 08:14 xCenasfu wrote: Colonel Cruncher noo!! You had a cool name.. my thoughts exactly | ||
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Coindrop
United States203 Posts
On October 08 2011 13:20 arrrk wrote: Yes, I've been apart of the scene since 2005. Saying he was bm and had a lot of haters is simply untrue. Yeah he would say some things here and there but if you consider that bm then you must not have been apart of leagues and are merely basing off what you're saying from what you've heard. you obviously weren't very involved with the scene at all. | ||
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Great Britain415 Posts
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arrrk
63 Posts
On October 09 2011 20:38 FreshandLegit wrote: you obviously weren't very involved with the scene at all. What is your name that you were known as in WC3? I've known cruncher since before he even started leaguing and I've gamed with him far more than most have. If you're going to say that he had terrible manners then I can only assume one of two things: You were a member/friend of vVv You weren't involved in the league scene I was very involved with the scene from leading teams, playing, and other such things. | ||
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LatsyrC
Haiti76 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
Anyway in relation to your question --- Cruncher retired to focus on his education. Again with what I said above, all the information you asked is in the FIRST post, so this bump was not needed. | ||
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
Yes, it's a League site | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
Edit: Yeah, my apologies, I meant PvZ. SC2 can be so confusing sometimes. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
Wouldn't surprise me :/ | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
On March 15 2012 13:28 ZenithM wrote: I remember when his ZvP was said to be one of the best in the world. Cruncher was one of the most talented players out there, but I understand his decision. Studying is important too, not just win a GSL cruncher didnt play Zerg lol. and hes definitely not 1 of the most talent players out there, thats silly. not to bash him or anything he is very talented but far from GSL skill | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
On March 15 2012 13:39 PhiliBiRD wrote: cruncher didnt play Zerg lol. and hes definitely not 1 of the most talent players out there, thats silly. not to bash him or anything he is very talented but far from GSL skill yeah, not saying it to disrespect him or anything, he was good, but i even he would agree he wasnt one of the best and not Code S level | ||
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MaV_gGSC
Canada1345 Posts
On March 15 2012 13:22 blade55555 wrote: He's probably done with sc2 forever or at least until after school, and it's still school time. Hopefully not forever man :O | ||
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Plutonik
Canada329 Posts
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purecarnagge
719 Posts
On March 15 2012 14:09 Plutonik wrote: he was streaming sc2 today just means he needed pizza/beer money or wanted to take a chick out on a date. Not like its breaking news. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
unless you can actually lock down (x)grand/year, if you have aspirations in education and employment that exceed x/year then no one can judge you for taking a break from sc2. cruncher is a very strong player. his ability of course is downgraded because of idra fanboyism and its branches.. the avg. tl reader probably thinks cruncher is significantly worse than he actually is thanks to the idra effect.. let him ladder, let him play in tournies when he has time. he's a great talent, a tremendous rts mind. if he wants to play sc2 for real, he can come back at any time, as this game is extremely easy to come back to mechanically | ||
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Australia1029 Posts
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