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wichenks
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada153 Posts
October 04 2011 00:59 GMT
#1
Looks like CrunCher is taking a break from professional Starcraft 2, in order to focus on school. The post on the complexity website makes it seem as if he is leaving the team in January!

Best of luck to him! He definitely made a splash on the scene.

Read the post here:
http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3173/
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MattO1337
Profile Joined August 2011
United States203 Posts
October 04 2011 00:59 GMT
#2
Best of luck to him!
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Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
October 04 2011 01:00 GMT
#3
Aww, that sucks. He was doing really well. Always a shame to see a player like that leave the scene.

Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
October 04 2011 01:01 GMT
#4
On October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote:

Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent.

They've got Naniwa and thats pretty much it.
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
October 04 2011 01:02 GMT
#5
On October 04 2011 10:01 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote:

Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent.

They've got Naniwa and thats pretty much it.

trimaster? minigun?
Maruprime.
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
October 04 2011 01:02 GMT
#6
What a shame! Cruncher is pretty darn good.
What is going to happen with him and NASL?
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ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1770 Posts
October 04 2011 01:03 GMT
#7
DRG, Genius.
Pocketsocks
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States192 Posts
October 04 2011 01:03 GMT
#8
On October 04 2011 10:02 Corrosive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:01 Bagi wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote:

Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent.

They've got Naniwa and thats pretty much it.

trimaster? minigun?

Don't forget DRG and all the other MVP members through the partnership they have.
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tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
October 04 2011 01:03 GMT
#9
Awww so we can't see IdrA and Cruncher shaking hand ever? Or may be EG will pick up Cruncher lol
TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
October 04 2011 01:04 GMT
#10
On October 04 2011 10:02 MrMotionPicture wrote:
What a shame! Cruncher is pretty darn good.
What is going to happen with him and NASL?


Yeah I wonder that too, I hope he does well does well in school!
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skp
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada134 Posts
October 04 2011 01:04 GMT
#11
gl to cruncher
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
October 04 2011 01:04 GMT
#12
On October 04 2011 10:02 Corrosive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:01 Bagi wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote:

Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent.

They've got Naniwa and thats pretty much it.

trimaster? minigun?


They are partnered with MVP!
Never make a hydralisk.
Sorter
Profile Joined July 2011
170 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 01:04:56
October 04 2011 01:04 GMT
#13
Catz is underrated. Good luck to Cruncher in his studies however!
AxelTVx
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada916 Posts
October 04 2011 01:05 GMT
#14
Wow first person to actually quit a top team to focus on school. (I think, correct me if I'm wrong)

On October 04 2011 10:02 Corrosive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:01 Bagi wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote:

Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent.

They've got Naniwa and thats pretty much it.

trimaster? minigun?


We can't be too sure of trimaster yet as he only had really one good outing. As for minigun, I think that he'd make a big name for himself if he went for MLG, but sadly he hasn't attended any MLGs...
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mindspike
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1902 Posts
October 04 2011 01:05 GMT
#15
On October 04 2011 10:01 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote:

Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent.

They've got Naniwa and thats pretty much it.


Nope. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/CoL.MvP
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Rasun
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States787 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 01:05:53
October 04 2011 01:05 GMT
#16
On October 04 2011 10:02 Corrosive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:01 Bagi wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote:

Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent.

They've got Naniwa and thats pretty much it.

trimaster? minigun?


Not to mention the Koreans that are fighting under their banner from team MVP. Anyway that's too bad, but it seems like he is only taking a break and should be back to training once he finished school.
"People need to just settle the fuck down!"- Djwheat <3
Papulatus
Profile Joined July 2010
United States669 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 01:07:19
October 04 2011 01:05 GMT
#17
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!
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Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
October 04 2011 01:07 GMT
#18
but ITS CRUNCH TIME!!
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Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
October 04 2011 01:09 GMT
#19
On October 04 2011 10:02 Corrosive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:01 Bagi wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote:

Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent.

They've got Naniwa and thats pretty much it.

trimaster? minigun?


Trimaster remains a question mark. He did a fantastic job at the most recent MLG but we have to see if hes going to remain a consistent force. Looking forward to seeing more of him but all we can do right now is call him a potential.

No offense to Minigun but he hasnt done much. I follow the SC2 scene pretty closely and the only thing I really know of him is that he has a feud with IdrA and hes good friends with destiny. Other than that..

On topic: Best of luck to cruncher. Although I wonder what this means for his NASL run.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
AutomatonOmega
Profile Joined February 2011
United States706 Posts
October 04 2011 01:09 GMT
#20
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote:
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!


Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3
Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
October 04 2011 01:10 GMT
#21
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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
October 04 2011 01:11 GMT
#22
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote:
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!


Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3

Quitting for school and quitting cause you're not good anymore are 2 separate things...
Deleted User 108965
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1096 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 01:12:46
October 04 2011 01:12 GMT
#23
):

gahhh arcanne beat me
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windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
October 04 2011 01:14 GMT
#24
Really guys?

He quit because of school not because he ¨wasn´t riding the P OP wave¨ or whatever you guys want to believe.

He made it pretty far through the open pools at MLG last 2 or 3 MLGs. Kid is good, deal with it
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
LetoAtreides82
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1188 Posts
October 04 2011 01:14 GMT
#25
On October 04 2011 09:59 wichenks wrote:
Looks like CrunCher is taking a break from professional Starcraft 2, in order to focus on school. The post on the complexity website makes it seem as if he is leaving the team in January!

Best of luck to him! He definitely made a splash on the scene.

Read the post here:

http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3173/


Unless he's got a good chance of getting a masters degree and a high paying career extra schooling is a waste. Good luck to him but I think he might be making a mistake.
The spice must flow
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
October 04 2011 01:14 GMT
#26
Pretty sad news, I don't know why people would talk trash about him leaving. I wish him the best of luck in the things that he pursues.
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babblingduk
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada79 Posts
October 04 2011 01:15 GMT
#27
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote:
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!


Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3


Wouldnt say its out of their favor...its just less in their favor. Honestly, he was a pretty decent and he could've only gotten better. But i guess now there is one less person for idra drama (even though its a guilty pleasure lol)

GOOD LUCK in the future, CrunCher!
Cuiu
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany410 Posts
October 04 2011 01:16 GMT
#28
On October 04 2011 10:11 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote:
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!


Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3

Quitting for school and quitting cause you're not good anymore are 2 separate things...


actually its the same when he would have won mlg or would be in code s
i bet he will not quit.

it is a smart decision to quit when you realize that you are not good enough.
and that deserves respect.
DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 01:17:12
October 04 2011 01:16 GMT
#29
EDIT: Read article
Good luck CrunCher
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hipsterHobbit
Profile Joined September 2011
United States218 Posts
October 04 2011 01:17 GMT
#30
On October 04 2011 10:02 MrMotionPicture wrote:
What a shame! Cruncher is pretty darn good.
What is going to happen with him and NASL?

I bet he's already played all of his games for the league, they'll just cast them in a month like nothing happened.
Spray
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States402 Posts
October 04 2011 01:17 GMT
#31
I reallly hope he come back sometime =( he was one of my favorites
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wichenks
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada153 Posts
October 04 2011 01:17 GMT
#32
he is in college! Not sure where! All of what I know is on the col. website
Sometimes Artosis and I like to have Hot 6ix with each other - Tasteless
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
October 04 2011 01:17 GMT
#33
On October 04 2011 10:14 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 09:59 wichenks wrote:
Looks like CrunCher is taking a break from professional Starcraft 2, in order to focus on school. The post on the complexity website makes it seem as if he is leaving the team in January!

Best of luck to him! He definitely made a splash on the scene.

Read the post here:

http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3173/


Unless he's got a good chance of getting a masters degree and a high paying career extra schooling is a waste. Good luck to him but I think he might be making a mistake.


?_?

He is 19... or unless you mean that going to college is a waste which well I will have to disagree.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Boony
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia87 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 01:19:54
October 04 2011 01:19 GMT
#34
On October 04 2011 10:14 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 09:59 wichenks wrote:
Looks like CrunCher is taking a break from professional Starcraft 2, in order to focus on school. The post on the complexity website makes it seem as if he is leaving the team in January!

Best of luck to him! He definitely made a splash on the scene.

Read the post here:

http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3173/


Unless he's got a good chance of getting a masters degree and a high paying career extra schooling is a waste. Good luck to him but I think he might be making a mistake.



Because that is the only reason to get an education, right?
No one would actually want to learn something or get a degree enabling them to get a job/life style that they enjoy. No, we all want to get as much money as we possible can.
Petrina
Profile Joined December 2010
United States178 Posts
October 04 2011 01:21 GMT
#35
actually its the same when he would have won mlg or would be in code s
i bet he will not quit.

it is a smart decision to quit when you realize that you are not good enough.
and that deserves respect.


Where are you guys getting all this from? He is simply concentrating on school. That is all the article says. Plus it does not say anywhere he might not come back.

Not good enough? He made it in pool play from the open bracket in the last MLG. By your standards most of the GSL Code A players should just quit because they are not good enough to get in Code S...
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 01:28:46
October 04 2011 01:27 GMT
#36
On October 04 2011 10:14 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 09:59 wichenks wrote:
Looks like CrunCher is taking a break from professional Starcraft 2, in order to focus on school. The post on the complexity website makes it seem as if he is leaving the team in January!

Best of luck to him! He definitely made a splash on the scene.

Read the post here:

http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3173/


Unless he's got a good chance of getting a masters degree and a high paying career extra schooling is a waste. Good luck to him but I think he might be making a mistake.

Because being able to make a reliable living for a lifetime is a mistake. Wait..

No, I think Cruncher has his priorities straight.
ffz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States490 Posts
October 04 2011 01:29 GMT
#37
On October 04 2011 10:14 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 09:59 wichenks wrote:
Looks like CrunCher is taking a break from professional Starcraft 2, in order to focus on school. The post on the complexity website makes it seem as if he is leaving the team in January!

Best of luck to him! He definitely made a splash on the scene.

Read the post here:

http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3173/


Unless he's got a good chance of getting a masters degree and a high paying career extra schooling is a waste. Good luck to him but I think he might be making a mistake.


Kids with masters degree are struggling to find a job now. Gonna need some doctorate to get a nice job.
Meow.
KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
October 04 2011 01:29 GMT
#38
Lol Idra called this one awhile ago.

but good luck with school and all that
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Profile Joined January 2007
United States1293 Posts
October 04 2011 01:30 GMT
#39
Damn that sucks was a Cruncher fan :/
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Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
October 04 2011 01:30 GMT
#40
Sad to see him go but he shouldnt hurt col too much with the recent NaNi acquisition.
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Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 01:31:12
October 04 2011 01:30 GMT
#41
On October 04 2011 10:21 Petrina wrote:
Show nested quote +
actually its the same when he would have won mlg or would be in code s
i bet he will not quit.

it is a smart decision to quit when you realize that you are not good enough.
and that deserves respect.


Where are you guys getting all this from? He is simply concentrating on school. That is all the article says. Plus it does not say anywhere he might not come back.

Not good enough? He made it in pool play from the open bracket in the last MLG. By your standards most of the GSL Code A players should just quit because they are not good enough to get in Code S...

http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3173/ wrote:
Today compLexity Gaming would like to announce that Abdulaziz "CrunCher" Abed has decided to go inactive from professional StarCraft2 in order to focus on college. He will remain under contract until January 2012 at which time he will be released.

From that I took that CrunCher is essentially going to quit Starcraft II to focus on school, and is only still on coL (as inactive) until his contract expires.
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storm44
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1293 Posts
October 04 2011 01:30 GMT
#42
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote:
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!


Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3


idra fans so fuckin delusional
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
October 04 2011 01:31 GMT
#43
WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH.

So I see a title "Cruncher goes inactive." First thoughts: incoming shitstorm.

Then I open the thread and I see... "Best of luck to him.", "He was good" and sadfaces?

What happened to the old "Cruncher is a @#$@#" that happened everywhere? Complexity Gaming hate created because of Cruncher? Cruncher is a terrible abusive player or something like that? What happened in ~4 months or so that made Cruncher become well seen by the community?! WTH?

Good luck to him, but really TL? You guys surely change your face easily :O
...or maybe that's just on LR threads...
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Drewbiefanboy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States17 Posts
October 04 2011 01:31 GMT
#44
<3 GL
ROOT for ROOT
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
October 04 2011 01:33 GMT
#45
On October 04 2011 10:30 storm44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote:
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!


Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3


idra fans so fuckin delusional


He was right about Cruncher exiting the scene though. But he just gave up SC2 for school, which is what most normal people do anyway, so I wish him luck in his school and career
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
October 04 2011 01:34 GMT
#46
On October 04 2011 10:31 Zephirdd wrote:
WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH.

So I see a title "Cruncher goes inactive." First thoughts: incoming shitstorm.

Then I open the thread and I see... "Best of luck to him.", "He was good" and sadfaces?

What happened to the old "Cruncher is a @#$@#" that happened everywhere? Complexity Gaming hate created because of Cruncher? Cruncher is a terrible abusive player or something like that? What happened in ~4 months or so that made Cruncher become well seen by the community?! WTH?

Good luck to him, but really TL? You guys surely change your face easily :O
...or maybe that's just on LR threads...

Some of the Idratards matured, or weren't Idratards in the first place.
Popcorn1
Profile Joined August 2010
United States92 Posts
October 04 2011 01:34 GMT
#47
Gonna miss you man, wish you the best with school and your future.
compLexity Gaming Player Manager - www.complexitygaming.com
quen
Profile Joined March 2011
201 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 01:40:54
October 04 2011 01:34 GMT
#48
Looks like idra was right about this one

" "

School is painful, best of luck to him
maximuspita
Profile Joined April 2010
1093 Posts
October 04 2011 01:35 GMT
#49
Good luck, Cruncher.

Korean Air, please save Fox.
monx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1400 Posts
October 04 2011 01:35 GMT
#50
i think he made the good choice. gl to him
@ggmonx
drcatellino
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada346 Posts
October 04 2011 01:36 GMT
#51
This is forever carved in my heart:

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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
October 04 2011 01:36 GMT
#52
On October 04 2011 10:31 Zephirdd wrote:
WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH.

So I see a title "Cruncher goes inactive." First thoughts: incoming shitstorm.

Then I open the thread and I see... "Best of luck to him.", "He was good" and sadfaces?

What happened to the old "Cruncher is a @#$@#" that happened everywhere? Complexity Gaming hate created because of Cruncher? Cruncher is a terrible abusive player or something like that? What happened in ~4 months or so that made Cruncher become well seen by the community?! WTH?

Good luck to him, but really TL? You guys surely change your face easily :O
...or maybe that's just on LR threads...

People calm down and make less emotional posts when shit is 4 months old, and he also proved over that period of time that he wasn't just a cheesy player/that one thing wasn't a fluke.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
October 04 2011 01:36 GMT
#53
gl i guess, was never a fan
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
hipsterHobbit
Profile Joined September 2011
United States218 Posts
October 04 2011 01:36 GMT
#54
On October 04 2011 10:33 Sadistx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:30 storm44 wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote:
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!


Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3


idra fans so fuckin delusional


He was right about Cruncher exiting the scene though. But he just gave up SC2 for school, which is what most normal people do anyway, so I wish him luck in his school and career

It doesn't make him clairvoyant to say that.


Cruncher will be back.
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 01:38:26
October 04 2011 01:36 GMT
#55
It sucks that the community sort of crucified him for beating Idra. He wasn't a very BM guy.
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OxyFuel
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada195 Posts
October 04 2011 01:41 GMT
#56
This is too bad for complexity. Complexity is going to be missing him as he's one of their better players. But it's good he's focusing on school.
Flash | Boxer | qxc | KawaiiRice | LuckyFool | Avilo
BrahCJ
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia659 Posts
October 04 2011 01:42 GMT
#57
Regardless of whether I like the guys play style or not, I would still like to wish him the best of luck in his studies!
Play the games!
IntoTheBush
Profile Joined July 2010
United States552 Posts
October 04 2011 01:44 GMT
#58
best of luck to him, but I honestly saw this coming also. Cheesey play, and all-in's will only get you so far.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 01:45:46
October 04 2011 01:45 GMT
#59
Well, Complexity has a lot of Protoss players so it's not a massive loss roster-wise, it is unfortunate though because Cruncher was quite good.

Minigun and Naniwa are still present as stand-out Protoss players on coL, and they still have a strong roster with Drewbie, TriMaster, Catz as well as the aforementioned Naniwa and Minigun.
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 01:50:05
October 04 2011 01:45 GMT
#60
That's a bummer, far and away cruncher was one of the most consistent up and coming US players, got through into the championship bracket in the past 3 MLGs once through pools twice through the open losers bracket, got into playoffs in NASL, qualified for TSL3. If the shit he got for beating Idra had any kind of bearing on his decision then it's a pretty sad day for Starcraft and homegrown US talent.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
October 04 2011 01:49 GMT
#61
On October 04 2011 10:30 storm44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote:
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!


Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3


idra fans so fuckin delusional

I'd say retarded for quoting everything IdrA said and then post it every where like the bible.
haticK
Profile Joined May 2011
United States74 Posts
October 04 2011 01:51 GMT
#62
gl with school cruncher
compLexityGaming.com
Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
October 04 2011 01:52 GMT
#63
I think this is good, Starcraft 2 is like the mob, you can't be half in and half out.

GL in future Cruncher! <3
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 01:59:56
October 04 2011 01:53 GMT
#64
In the spirit of Cruncher himself, as he once said to Idra.

+ Show Spoiler +


Go school!
twitch.tv/medrea
Geovu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Estonia1344 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 01:56:37
October 04 2011 01:54 GMT
#65
On October 04 2011 10:49 tuho12345 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:30 storm44 wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote:
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!


Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3


idra fans so fuckin delusional

I'd say retarded for quoting everything IdrA said and then post it every where like the bible.

That's a good idea tbh, the Testament of IdrA:

"Thou shall not gg" (Genesis 1:1)

"Thine are bad" (Protoss 8:11)

"Fuck you" (6 pool. 2:42)

etc etc.
fuzzayy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States99 Posts
October 04 2011 01:54 GMT
#66
Wow, good luck to him
Ashes
Profile Joined January 2011
United States362 Posts
October 04 2011 01:57 GMT
#67
GL with school Cruncher. I cannot emphasize how important education is!! Game lasts for 5-7 yrs..Education lasts for a life time. Good Luck to you! Sir!

I really like the decision he made .. No offense to anyone!
TitleRug
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States651 Posts
October 04 2011 01:58 GMT
#68
awwwww
this is terrible news for me.
I'll miss him a lot. His stream was the best one ever.
Gl Cruncher!!
coLCruncher fighting!
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
October 04 2011 02:02 GMT
#69
On October 04 2011 10:09 Angelbelow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:02 Corrosive wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:01 Bagi wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote:

Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent.

They've got Naniwa and thats pretty much it.

trimaster? minigun?


Trimaster remains a question mark. He did a fantastic job at the most recent MLG but we have to see if hes going to remain a consistent force. Looking forward to seeing more of him but all we can do right now is call him a potential.

No offense to Minigun but he hasnt done much. I follow the SC2 scene pretty closely and the only thing I really know of him is that he has a feud with IdrA and hes good friends with destiny. Other than that..

On topic: Best of luck to cruncher. Although I wonder what this means for his NASL run.

You might not think he has done much then because you don't follow many of the on line cups, but as far as I know he has had some success online. I think it was a root gaming tournament he won (?) vs kiwikakki in the finals. It was some pretty big invitational, and if you watched the redbull lan you would have seen that he is really good.
~~~Liquid Fighting (SC2)~~~
Samp
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada783 Posts
October 04 2011 02:03 GMT
#70
gl in the future =)!
Banelings, "They're cute, they live in a nest". -Artosis
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 02:05:37
October 04 2011 02:05 GMT
#71
On October 04 2011 10:29 ffz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:14 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
On October 04 2011 09:59 wichenks wrote:
Looks like CrunCher is taking a break from professional Starcraft 2, in order to focus on school. The post on the complexity website makes it seem as if he is leaving the team in January!

Best of luck to him! He definitely made a splash on the scene.

Read the post here:

http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3173/


Unless he's got a good chance of getting a masters degree and a high paying career extra schooling is a waste. Good luck to him but I think he might be making a mistake.


Kids with masters degree are struggling to find a job now. Gonna need some doctorate to get a nice job.


Trolls be trollin'? So your answer to "you need a doctorate in order to get a good job is to *not* get an education at all? *think about that*

Anyway, Cruncher, I met you at MLG Dallas. You were a pretty cool guy. I hope things go well for you in the future.
Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
October 04 2011 02:05 GMT
#72
On October 04 2011 10:33 Sadistx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:30 storm44 wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote:
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!


Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3


idra fans so fuckin delusional


He was right about Cruncher exiting the scene though. But he just gave up SC2 for school, which is what most normal people do anyway, so I wish him luck in his school and career

Then let me make a prediction that Idra will leave the SC2 scene sometime in the future.
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
October 04 2011 02:08 GMT
#73
On October 04 2011 10:05 AxelTVx wrote:
Wow first person to actually quit a top team to focus on school. (I think, correct me if I'm wrong)

Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:02 Corrosive wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:01 Bagi wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote:

Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent.

They've got Naniwa and thats pretty much it.

trimaster? minigun?


We can't be too sure of trimaster yet as he only had really one good outing. As for minigun, I think that he'd make a big name for himself if he went for MLG, but sadly he hasn't attended any MLGs...

qxc kinda, he didn't quit the team but if not for going back to school he'd probably be with FXO in Korea or sometime in Malaysia
Incursus
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States415 Posts
October 04 2011 02:09 GMT
#74
Best of luck CrunCher, I didn't care for you at first but when you started streaming I actually became quite the fan.

Finish school, pro game later. iNcontroL did it and far as monetary success goes he's doing good I think.

Also to IdrA fans, I am an IdrA fan myself (and have been since BW) but everything he says regarding others on the scene must be taken with a grain of salt. He has great insight yeah (really good insight) but he's also super stubborn. Which is not a useful trait when discussing ways to play a game as diverse as this.
Don't be surprised when a crack in the ice...appears under your feet.
xbankx
Profile Joined July 2010
703 Posts
October 04 2011 02:11 GMT
#75
On October 04 2011 10:44 IntoTheBush wrote:
best of luck to him, but I honestly saw this coming also. Cheesey play, and all-in's will only get you so far.


He rarely cheeses unless you count going to macro deathball off 3-4 base is cheese. Maybe according to Idra's standard.
mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
October 04 2011 02:12 GMT
#76
bai cruncher!!
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
October 04 2011 02:14 GMT
#77
Good luck in the future
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
IntoTheBush
Profile Joined July 2010
United States552 Posts
October 04 2011 02:18 GMT
#78
On October 04 2011 11:11 xbankx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:44 IntoTheBush wrote:
best of luck to him, but I honestly saw this coming also. Cheesey play, and all-in's will only get you so far.


He rarely cheeses unless you count going to macro deathball off 3-4 base is cheese. Maybe according to Idra's standard.

i guess you've never played him...or even seen him play when he was apart of ONE.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 04 2011 02:18 GMT
#79
He'll be back, no worries :3
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
October 04 2011 02:22 GMT
#80
On October 04 2011 11:18 IntoTheBush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 11:11 xbankx wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:44 IntoTheBush wrote:
best of luck to him, but I honestly saw this coming also. Cheesey play, and all-in's will only get you so far.


He rarely cheeses unless you count going to macro deathball off 3-4 base is cheese. Maybe according to Idra's standard.

i guess you've never played him...or even seen him play when he was apart of ONE.


Naniwa was also known as Onebasewa some months ago

What's your point
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
MilesTeg
Profile Joined September 2010
France1271 Posts
October 04 2011 02:34 GMT
#81
Gotta admit, it's weird for me too to see peope with the sad face after the announcement that he leaves. I mean... do people really think he was any good? I think he was more known because of that idra incident than anything else.

Besides, I remember him stating he doesn't like Stacraft so it's no one's loss really.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
October 04 2011 02:41 GMT
#82
i wish i could re-do college. Wasting the best 4 years of your life playing a video game, even a fun one, is a terrible decision for most people.
Noxie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2227 Posts
October 04 2011 02:42 GMT
#83
Glad he recognized he needed to do well in school. Sad to see him go.
DNA61289
Profile Joined August 2010
United States665 Posts
October 04 2011 02:44 GMT
#84
Best of luck to him.
But yeah being a Korean gamer is very imba. If you're a non-korean gamer you have to balance your game playing with earning money and your real life. If you're Korean you just sit around playing games all day eating 2 cent ramyun and becoming gosu.
Deleted User 108965
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1096 Posts
October 04 2011 02:46 GMT
#85
On October 04 2011 11:34 MilesTeg wrote:
Gotta admit, it's weird for me too to see peope with the sad face after the announcement that he leaves. I mean... do people really think he was any good? I think he was more known because of that idra incident than anything else.

Besides, I remember him stating he doesn't like Stacraft so it's no one's loss really.


the sad face is a reference to his infamous happy face


(:
Disciple....Top 3 control in Clarion County
strength
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States493 Posts
October 04 2011 02:51 GMT
#86
Good for him!! SC2 or being in ESPORTS is not a future. Sorry everyone.
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
October 04 2011 03:09 GMT
#87
I'm not a fan of him but i must commend him for doing his job like a pro and carrying a weak complexity for months. I personally think hes not much of a personality and his play is boring but he puts out results every mlg and every clanwar.
RajaF
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada530 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 03:14:56
October 04 2011 03:13 GMT
#88
On October 04 2011 11:41 Sub40APM wrote:
i wish i could re-do college. Wasting the best 4 years of your life playing a video game, even a fun one, is a terrible decision for most people.


If I was in Cruncher's position, I would of stayed with Complexity since they were paying him decent money to do something that he clearly loves. You can go to college at any age as long as you are still motivated and able to study.

I am a bit bitter about this subject, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

But I'll say that I went to university (and a pretty prestigious institution too, namely the university of toronto) and college before that, got good grades and good experience, and all I have to show for it is a lot of debt. Most certainly a waste of time and money, not a doubt in my mind.

Unless you go to Harvard or some Ivy league school with really small class sizes and almost guaranteed employment at graduation (in which case you are rich anyway), then you will be entering the workforce at the same time as another 200 - 400 people in the same field just from your school, in just that year. And unemployment is on the rise right now. Think about that. And I'm not talking about English majors. I'm in computer science.

80% of the people that graduated with me and that I went to classes with are now unemployed (and can't get a decent job because they are overqualified) or employed in an unrelated field which they most of the time hate being in.

I myself work in a computer store as a technician, using skills that I had when I was 19, that I did not need to pay tens of thousands of dollars to get and be useless. But hey, I can program an awesome content management system in my spare time, since no one is willing to pay me even minimum wage to do it.
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
October 04 2011 03:19 GMT
#89
Hopefully he continues his studies and in the time between grad school and college, the magnum Opus of his gaming life as it has been called, he will return to the scene! I really hope he does because this is a thing he won't be able to return to if he waits too long .
User was warned for too many mimes.
Theeakoz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1114 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 03:30:14
October 04 2011 03:24 GMT
#90
Please change the luck dependancy of spawning locations on rotationally symmetric maps.
BilltownRunner
Profile Joined July 2010
United States229 Posts
October 04 2011 03:28 GMT
#91
Good luck at school Cruncher, been a fan since WC3.
uberism
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada271 Posts
October 04 2011 03:30 GMT
#92
gl with school dude. You are a decent player.
Ryder.
Profile Joined January 2011
1117 Posts
October 04 2011 03:31 GMT
#93
Good on him, as much as Iike watching these guys play I think in the long run 95% of them would be better off getting an education and a career the can build up over their lifetime, than something that realistically won't last very long.

Not sure how this is him 'fading out of the scene cause he's bad', more just realizing that he is better off going to school, just like most progamers would be.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 03:34:21
October 04 2011 03:34 GMT
#94
On October 04 2011 12:13 RajaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 11:41 Sub40APM wrote:
i wish i could re-do college. Wasting the best 4 years of your life playing a video game, even a fun one, is a terrible decision for most people.


If I was in Cruncher's position, I would of stayed with Complexity since they were paying him decent money to do something that he clearly loves. You can go to college at any age as long as you are still motivated and able to study.

I am a bit bitter about this subject, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

But I'll say that I went to university (and a pretty prestigious institution too, namely the university of toronto) and college before that, got good grades and good experience, and all I have to show for it is a lot of debt. Most certainly a waste of time and money, not a doubt in my mind.

Unless you go to Harvard or some Ivy league school with really small class sizes and almost guaranteed employment at graduation (in which case you are rich anyway), then you will be entering the workforce at the same time as another 200 - 400 people in the same field just from your school, in just that year. And unemployment is on the rise right now. Think about that. And I'm not talking about English majors. I'm in computer science.

80% of the people that graduated with me and that I went to classes with are now unemployed (and can't get a decent job because they are overqualified) or employed in an unrelated field which they most of the time hate being in.

I myself work in a computer store as a technician, using skills that I had when I was 19, that I did not need to pay tens of thousands of dollars to get and be useless. But hey, I can program an awesome content management system in my spare time, since no one is willing to pay me even minimum wage to do it.


Just because you haven't translated your U of T degree into a decent living doesn't mean that university is stupid.

I went to university, and I make many times more money than I'd likely have been able to make had I not gone. I'm not saying that my experience, or this posters, is what YOU'RE going to get, but I beg of you 16-18 year olds.....TAKE RajaF's POST FOR WHAT IT IS....the cries of someone who didn't make the best of a rare opportunity to get a great education.

http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=77

You're going to make about 60% more money on average with a bachelors degree in your lifetime.
GettinMyFill
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia37 Posts
October 04 2011 03:37 GMT
#95
You don't need to jump straight into tertiary education. You can study at any point in time in your lifetime. This is simply an average 'pro-gamer' realising that he is never going to make it, so he returns to his normal life, before forcefield exploitation garnered him some kind of internet fame.
GettinMyFill
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia37 Posts
October 04 2011 03:39 GMT
#96
On October 04 2011 12:34 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 12:13 RajaF wrote:
On October 04 2011 11:41 Sub40APM wrote:
i wish i could re-do college. Wasting the best 4 years of your life playing a video game, even a fun one, is a terrible decision for most people.


If I was in Cruncher's position, I would of stayed with Complexity since they were paying him decent money to do something that he clearly loves. You can go to college at any age as long as you are still motivated and able to study.

I am a bit bitter about this subject, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

But I'll say that I went to university (and a pretty prestigious institution too, namely the university of toronto) and college before that, got good grades and good experience, and all I have to show for it is a lot of debt. Most certainly a waste of time and money, not a doubt in my mind.

Unless you go to Harvard or some Ivy league school with really small class sizes and almost guaranteed employment at graduation (in which case you are rich anyway), then you will be entering the workforce at the same time as another 200 - 400 people in the same field just from your school, in just that year. And unemployment is on the rise right now. Think about that. And I'm not talking about English majors. I'm in computer science.

80% of the people that graduated with me and that I went to classes with are now unemployed (and can't get a decent job because they are overqualified) or employed in an unrelated field which they most of the time hate being in.

I myself work in a computer store as a technician, using skills that I had when I was 19, that I did not need to pay tens of thousands of dollars to get and be useless. But hey, I can program an awesome content management system in my spare time, since no one is willing to pay me even minimum wage to do it.


Just because you haven't translated your U of T degree into a decent living doesn't mean that university is stupid.

I went to university, and I make many times more money than I'd likely have been able to make had I not gone. I'm not saying that my experience, or this posters, is what YOU'RE going to get, but I beg of you 16-18 year olds.....TAKE RajaF's POST FOR WHAT IT IS....the cries of someone who didn't make the best of a rare opportunity to get a great education.

http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=77

You're going to make about 60% more money on average with a bachelors degree in your lifetime.


I see that university propaganda has brainwashed you. Best of luck.
daxile
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada829 Posts
October 04 2011 03:42 GMT
#97
On October 04 2011 12:34 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 12:13 RajaF wrote:
On October 04 2011 11:41 Sub40APM wrote:
i wish i could re-do college. Wasting the best 4 years of your life playing a video game, even a fun one, is a terrible decision for most people.


If I was in Cruncher's position, I would of stayed with Complexity since they were paying him decent money to do something that he clearly loves. You can go to college at any age as long as you are still motivated and able to study.

I am a bit bitter about this subject, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

But I'll say that I went to university (and a pretty prestigious institution too, namely the university of toronto) and college before that, got good grades and good experience, and all I have to show for it is a lot of debt. Most certainly a waste of time and money, not a doubt in my mind.

Unless you go to Harvard or some Ivy league school with really small class sizes and almost guaranteed employment at graduation (in which case you are rich anyway), then you will be entering the workforce at the same time as another 200 - 400 people in the same field just from your school, in just that year. And unemployment is on the rise right now. Think about that. And I'm not talking about English majors. I'm in computer science.

80% of the people that graduated with me and that I went to classes with are now unemployed (and can't get a decent job because they are overqualified) or employed in an unrelated field which they most of the time hate being in.

I myself work in a computer store as a technician, using skills that I had when I was 19, that I did not need to pay tens of thousands of dollars to get and be useless. But hey, I can program an awesome content management system in my spare time, since no one is willing to pay me even minimum wage to do it.


Just because you haven't translated your U of T degree into a decent living doesn't mean that university is stupid.

I went to university, and I make many times more money than I'd likely have been able to make had I not gone. I'm not saying that my experience, or this posters, is what YOU'RE going to get, but I beg of you 16-18 year olds.....TAKE RajaF's POST FOR WHAT IT IS....the cries of someone who didn't make the best of a rare opportunity to get a great education.

http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=77

You're going to make about 60% more money on average with a bachelors degree in your lifetime.

In this economic climate, you would be lucky to even find a job with just a bachelors degree.
to live is to suffer
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
October 04 2011 03:42 GMT
#98
On October 04 2011 12:37 GettinMyFill wrote:
You don't need to jump straight into tertiary education. You can study at any point in time in your lifetime. This is simply an average 'pro-gamer' realising that he is never going to make it, so he returns to his normal life, before forcefield exploitation garnered him some kind of internet fame.


This reminds me of the question that young baseball prospects have. They can either sign with a pro organization out of high-school, forfeit NCAA eligibility, and get a cash bonus (which can be millions for high high picks), or go to college on a full ride. For the blue chip guys, there is no decision at all.....if they sign and get 250,000K, they can always go to school and use that money to pay for college later on.

The situation for gamers is more similar to a late round pick, who is getting little or no signing bonus. By the time that their career is over, they may be saddled with other debts and responsibilities that make going to school at the age of 23-26 much tougher than it would have been at 18-19.
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
October 04 2011 03:42 GMT
#99
Can't fault anyone for wanting to continue their studies. Best of luck to Cruncher in his education, and hopefully we'll see him back sometime!
Jieun <3
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
October 04 2011 03:43 GMT
#100
On October 04 2011 12:42 daxile wrote:
In this economic climate, you would be lucky to even find a job with just a bachelors degree.

So what chance does someone without one have?
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
October 04 2011 03:44 GMT
#101
On October 04 2011 11:46 FrankWalls wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 11:34 MilesTeg wrote:
Gotta admit, it's weird for me too to see peope with the sad face after the announcement that he leaves. I mean... do people really think he was any good? I think he was more known because of that idra incident than anything else.

Besides, I remember him stating he doesn't like Stacraft so it's no one's loss really.


the sad face is a reference to his infamous happy face


(:


Plus...he was actually quite good. People only thought he was bad because after he qualified for TSL Idra said he was trash and what Idra says tends to stick for some reason. Even after Cruncher beat Idra himself, Mondragon, went 3-2 with Naniwa, beat players like QXC, Ensnare and Darkforce in NASL, made it into pool play in MLG...
GettinMyFill
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia37 Posts
October 04 2011 03:44 GMT
#102
On October 04 2011 12:42 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 12:37 GettinMyFill wrote:
You don't need to jump straight into tertiary education. You can study at any point in time in your lifetime. This is simply an average 'pro-gamer' realising that he is never going to make it, so he returns to his normal life, before forcefield exploitation garnered him some kind of internet fame.


This reminds me of the question that young baseball prospects have. They can either sign with a pro organization out of high-school, forfeit NCAA eligibility, and get a cash bonus (which can be millions for high high picks), or go to college on a full ride. For the blue chip guys, there is no decision at all.....if they sign and get 250,000K, they can always go to school and use that money to pay for college later on.

The situation for gamers is more similar to a late round pick, who is getting little or no signing bonus. By the time that their career is over, they may be saddled with other debts and responsibilities that make going to school at the age of 23-26 much tougher than it would have been at 18-19.


So study part-time while you gain experience and working your way through other jobs. That is the sacrifice you make if you want to do anything seriously, any sport, any hobby, any creative art you want to master. No passion? It's okay, you can just study and become a cog in the machine.
Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
October 04 2011 03:46 GMT
#103
anyone know where crunchtime is going to college?
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The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
October 04 2011 03:46 GMT
#104
For the school vs esports thing...life is an adventure, why would anyone pass up the chance to fly around the world playing a game in front of crowds for big money? I doubt anyone is gonna sit on their deathbeds all like 'Man I wish I never had all that fun doing that awesome thing.'
RDaneelOlivaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Vatican City State733 Posts
October 04 2011 03:52 GMT
#105
Somewhere, Idra's smiling
RajaF
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada530 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 03:55:52
October 04 2011 03:53 GMT
#106
On October 04 2011 12:46 The KY wrote:
For the school vs esports thing...life is an adventure, why would anyone pass up the chance to fly around the world playing a game in front of crowds for big money? I doubt anyone is gonna sit on their deathbeds all like 'Man I wish I never had all that fun doing that awesome thing.'


Exactly man. More people should be thinking like you. Cruncher is not even 20. The world is his oyster, he can try and fail at anything he wants. Being a progamer is exactly the kind of thing you try when you are at this age otherwise he will regret it forever.

On October 04 2011 12:43 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 12:42 daxile wrote:
In this economic climate, you would be lucky to even find a job with just a bachelors degree.

So what chance does someone without one have?


Quite good actually, since most companies these days would rather higher unqualified help since they can pay them less.

And to your earlier post I'll say hahaha. OK then. You know exactly what I was able and not able to do with my degree right? Just because I was unwilling to sell my life and liberty to a soul sucking entity like IBM (for which I worked for in my paid experience year) does not mean I was unable to translate my degree into a decent living.

And how do you know how I live? I bet that besides the money (which, I'll tell you a secret, you can't spend it once you are old or dead) your "career" sucks more than my job. I work exactly 8 hours a day, not a minute of overtime ever, have full health and dental, and (the big one) I get 5 weeks vacation a year. You show me one of your bachelor degree positions like that outside of academia.

And not to mention that once you are climbing the corporate ladder, there are 100 other guys right behind you just waiting for the slightest mistake to take your spot and knock you down.
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
October 04 2011 03:54 GMT
#107
On October 04 2011 12:52 GGTesomas wrote:
Somewhere, Idra's smiling

Guangzhou, China.
birdkicker
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States752 Posts
October 04 2011 04:00 GMT
#108
where did all the cruncher hate go?
Theeakoz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1114 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 05:32:33
October 04 2011 04:04 GMT
#109
I posted on this thread but later I changed my mind and erased it, just because I know that a simple post wouldn't change much, But then, someone PMed me and reminded me that maybe one post could make a difference.
Why did we boo him on the MLG stage... ? why ? Who is Idra? Why would we bash a person, that is, a professional player who helps our community just to show our support for someone else?
Maybe, if we acted like humans with brains and emotions and unlike animals and showed him some support he wouldn't have left our community as easy.
Why is Idra getting so much support? he would do what he did to cruncher to each and everyone of us if he didn't "like" us or the race we play...
Lets build a community that praises the best, most hardworking people and punished the unappreciative.
Please change the luck dependancy of spawning locations on rotationally symmetric maps.
RajaF
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada530 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 04:27:05
October 04 2011 04:26 GMT
#110
On October 04 2011 13:04 Theeakoz wrote:
I posted on this thread but later I changed my mind and erased it, just because I know that a simple post wouldn't change much, But then, someone PMed me and reminded me that maybe one post could make a difference.
Why did we boo him on the MLG stage... ? why ? Who is Idra? Why would we bash a person, that is, a professional player who helps our community just to show our support for someone else?
Maybe, if we acted like humans with brains and emotions and unlike animals and showed him some support he wouldn't have left our community as easy.
Why is Idra getting so much support? he would do what he did to cruncher to each and everyone of us if he did "like" us or the race we play...
Lets build a community that praises the best, most hardworking people and punished the unappreciative.


This man right here speaks the truth. This is most likely why Cruncher quit, because all the vitriol from one person (Idra) was channeled by a big part of this so called community. We should all be a bit ashamed we let this happen.
seoulsun
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands80 Posts
October 04 2011 04:29 GMT
#111
lol why would he even bother
o/
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 04:35:31
October 04 2011 04:34 GMT
#112
I support anyone who pursues a higher education for himself, whatever his reasons may be.
dapierow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Serbia1316 Posts
October 04 2011 04:45 GMT
#113
On October 04 2011 10:03 Pocketsocks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:02 Corrosive wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:01 Bagi wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote:

Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent.

They've got Naniwa and thats pretty much it.

trimaster? minigun?

Don't forget DRG and all the other MVP members through the partnership they have.

Serously? no one mentions KiwiKaki?
Eat.Sleep.Starcraft 2
Saiton
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden467 Posts
October 04 2011 04:46 GMT
#114
Can't see why more people can't just be here to wish Cruncher good luck with his studie instead of starting to bash him about leaving.

GL to you!
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Soulriser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States192 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 04:54:07
October 04 2011 04:50 GMT
#115
lol. giving up the opportunity of a lifetime to train as a progamer for college? sorry sir, best of luck to you, but i think its stupid. you can always go to college later, but you pretty much only get 1 shot for something like this. "oh i think ill pass playing professional sports or producing a huge movie so i can get a degree that probably wont mean shit by the time i eventually get it" makes no sense, and neither does this.

also, if hes quitting because IdrA fans poked fun at him and IdrA doesnt like him, then he doesnt deserve to be a progamer. if you cant handle being criticized, your name doesnt deserve to be spotlighted.
Audi309
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States90 Posts
October 04 2011 04:50 GMT
#116
Best CSL team ever incoming
Diablo3
Profile Joined October 2011
46 Posts
October 04 2011 05:00 GMT
#117
On October 04 2011 10:03 Pocketsocks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:02 Corrosive wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:01 Bagi wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote:

Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent.

They've got Naniwa and thats pretty much it.

trimaster? minigun?

Don't forget DRG and all the other MVP members through the partnership they have.

yeah, but they don't have real members of their team. Its only Naniwa and the rest are truth be told quite mediocre pro players with no significant achievement in tournaments.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
October 04 2011 05:00 GMT
#118
On October 04 2011 13:04 Theeakoz wrote:
I posted on this thread but later I changed my mind and erased it, just because I know that a simple post wouldn't change much, But then, someone PMed me and reminded me that maybe one post could make a difference.
Why did we boo him on the MLG stage... ? why ? Who is Idra? Why would we bash a person, that is, a professional player who helps our community just to show our support for someone else?
Maybe, if we acted like humans with brains and emotions and unlike animals and showed him some support he wouldn't have left our community as easy.
Why is Idra getting so much support? he would do what he did to cruncher to each and everyone of us if he did "like" us or the race we play...
Lets build a community that praises the best, most hardworking people and punished the unappreciative.

completely agree with you. I was there at MLG Anaheim and ppl boo Cruncher when IdrA was the guy who trashtalked and walked ago. Idk why ppl really like that dick and bm Cruncher for no reason. Just b/c Cruncher beat their Zerg's heroes and playing Protoss, so they're being that bad.
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 05:02:44
October 04 2011 05:01 GMT
#119
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote:
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!


Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3


This is the reason why I hate majority of IdrA fans - they are even bigger douchebags than IdrA himself. Oh well, birds of a feather....

All the best to cruncher for his college. I'm quiet sure he has made the right decision.
Envy fan since NTH.
McKTenor13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1383 Posts
October 04 2011 05:08 GMT
#120
On October 04 2011 13:45 dapierow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:03 Pocketsocks wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:02 Corrosive wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:01 Bagi wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote:

Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent.

They've got Naniwa and thats pretty much it.

trimaster? minigun?

Don't forget DRG and all the other MVP members through the partnership they have.

Serously? no one mentions KiwiKaki?


He's on Reign, not coL.MVP
If you can chill. chill. - Liquid'Tyler
IntoTheBush
Profile Joined July 2010
United States552 Posts
October 04 2011 05:10 GMT
#121
On October 04 2011 11:22 Linwelin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 11:18 IntoTheBush wrote:
On October 04 2011 11:11 xbankx wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:44 IntoTheBush wrote:
best of luck to him, but I honestly saw this coming also. Cheesey play, and all-in's will only get you so far.


He rarely cheeses unless you count going to macro deathball off 3-4 base is cheese. Maybe according to Idra's standard.

i guess you've never played him...or even seen him play when he was apart of ONE.


Naniwa was also known as Onebasewa some months ago

What's your point

Nani isn't the topic of this thread, nor do I mention him in my posts. CrunCher is basically a middle of the road player who isn't even comparable to Naniwa in skill. Just look up tournament results.

Also I wasn't bashing ONE as if they all cheese.. I actually have a few friends that are involved with ItsGosu, so I have no problem with them if that is what youre trying to imply. I guess you didn't know, but that name was made out of sarcasm. Since anybody halfway decent could 4gate their way into Master league in season 1.

So sir, what exactly is your point?
Juanald
Profile Joined February 2011
United States354 Posts
October 04 2011 05:10 GMT
#122
sad day for esports as a membr of your fanclub i wish you luck in your adventure but i hope u reconsider and consider how ur desicion will affect eSports.
"hey it could happen!" ~ angels n the outfield
RajaF
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada530 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 05:11:58
October 04 2011 05:11 GMT
#123
On October 04 2011 14:10 IntoTheBush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 11:22 Linwelin wrote:
On October 04 2011 11:18 IntoTheBush wrote:
On October 04 2011 11:11 xbankx wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:44 IntoTheBush wrote:
best of luck to him, but I honestly saw this coming also. Cheesey play, and all-in's will only get you so far.


He rarely cheeses unless you count going to macro deathball off 3-4 base is cheese. Maybe according to Idra's standard.

i guess you've never played him...or even seen him play when he was apart of ONE.


Naniwa was also known as Onebasewa some months ago

What's your point

Nani isn't the topic of this thread, nor do I mention him in my posts. CrunCher is basically a middle of the road player who isn't even comparable to Naniwa in skill. Just look up tournament results.

Also I wasn't bashing ONE as if they all cheese.. I actually have a few friends that are involved with ItsGosu, so I have no problem with them if that is what youre trying to imply. I guess you didn't know, but that name was made out of sarcasm. Since anybody halfway decent could 4gate their way into Master league in season 1.

So sir, what exactly is your point?


His point is that Cruncher was improving a lot lately and had long ago moved passed the cheese / all-in style that you pidgeonholed him in.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
October 04 2011 05:12 GMT
#124
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote:
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!


Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3

Was waiting for the moronic IdrA fan comment, shame it didn't even wait until the second page
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44106 Posts
October 04 2011 05:12 GMT
#125
Best of luck to Cruncher!

Fortunately, there are other great players on Complexity/ MVP
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
rUiNati0n
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1155 Posts
October 04 2011 05:17 GMT
#126
Good luck to Cruncher. I hope he does well in school. It's too bad that he was never able to get seeded into the pools at MLG; he made more than one run through the open bracket if I remember correctly.
eating corn while thinking about eating more corn
Moa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States790 Posts
October 04 2011 05:26 GMT
#127
IdrA has probably said that every player will fall off the scene, of course he will be right about a few.

Good luck to cruncher in his studies and hopefully starcraft, I think it is a tad funny how complexity seems to be the anti-idra team. This situation is eerily similar to Silver's but Cruncher was more significant player than Silver by a longshot.
^O^
Catatonic
Profile Joined August 2011
United States699 Posts
October 04 2011 05:35 GMT
#128
On (Z)October 04 2011 10:01 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On (Z)October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote:

Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent.

They've got (P)NaNiwa and thats pretty much it.
Funny joke bro tell it again? (Z)CatZ, (T)Drewbie, (T)TriMaster, and (P)Minigun are really good so what is it you're on exactly? lol
T: DeMuslim SeleCT. P: Naniwa Genius. Z: IdrA Destiny Team: EG
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 05:40:22
October 04 2011 05:39 GMT
#129
When Cruncher came onto the scene, Idra started losing and didn't stop.

When Cruncher retired, Idra started playing better than he had in months!

Coincidence?
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Diversify
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada30 Posts
October 04 2011 05:40 GMT
#130
On October 04 2011 14:35 Catatonic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On (Z)October 04 2011 10:01 Bagi wrote:
On (Z)October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote:

Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent.

They've got (P)NaNiwa and thats pretty much it.
Funny joke bro tell it again? (Z)CatZ, (T)Drewbie, (T)TriMaster, and (P)Minigun are really good so what is it you're on exactly? lol


Lets be honest here, aside from Trimaster who is unknown and still has yet to show consistent performance, they all are all pretty mediocre. I mean they will never be favourites to win a major LAN, nor even make it into the top 8.
Theeakoz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1114 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 05:41:56
October 04 2011 05:41 GMT
#131
On October 04 2011 14:00 tuho12345 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 13:04 Theeakoz wrote:
I posted on this thread but later I changed my mind and erased it, just because I know that a simple post wouldn't change much, But then, someone PMed me and reminded me that maybe one post could make a difference.
Why did we boo him on the MLG stage... ? why ? Who is Idra? Why would we bash a person, that is, a professional player who helps our community just to show our support for someone else?
Maybe, if we acted like humans with brains and emotions and unlike animals and showed him some support he wouldn't have left our community as easy.
Why is Idra getting so much support? he would do what he did to cruncher to each and everyone of us if he did "like" us or the race we play...
Lets build a community that praises the best, most hardworking people and punished the unappreciative.

completely agree with you. I was there at MLG Anaheim and ppl boo Cruncher when IdrA was the guy who trashtalked and walked ago.

We're not saying all this today and then forget everything next week. We have no one to prevent unfortunate stuff like this one from happening in our community. and because of that, the community should act as a body in stopping terrible thing from happening.
If it continues like this, everyone will starting hating each other and by the next 2 years, the so called "Starcraft 2 community" will turn into a crowd of selfish, rude people who just randomly pick someone from among themselves and victimize him to death.
Please change the luck dependancy of spawning locations on rotationally symmetric maps.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
October 04 2011 05:41 GMT
#132
Does this mean when cruncher finishes school he still has a spot on coL? Is he still getting paid?
:)
RajaF
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada530 Posts
October 04 2011 05:46 GMT
#133
On October 04 2011 14:41 synapse wrote:
Does this mean when cruncher finishes school he still has a spot on coL? Is he still getting paid?


I would assume he is not getting paid anymore. But I'm pretty sure that coL will at least give him a shot to come back if he so wishes.
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
October 04 2011 06:08 GMT
#134
Aw too bad. He had good potential and was one of their best.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
KentHenry
Profile Joined August 2010
United States260 Posts
October 04 2011 06:19 GMT
#135
School > SC , glad to hear him focusing on school. This statement was influenced by college athletes, obtain a degree to fall back on when playing sports come to an end.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
October 04 2011 06:19 GMT
#136
Gl to cruncher
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
dormer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1314 Posts
October 04 2011 06:23 GMT
#137
I was never a big Cruncher fan, but he's made it into the championship bracket of the past three MLGs, right? That's pretty damn good, I don't see why people look down on him like he's some sort of scrub.

Overall it's the smart decision, best of luck to him in his studies.
Artosis: "You need to hold my hand." Tasteless: "I'm very good at that."
IntoTheBush
Profile Joined July 2010
United States552 Posts
October 04 2011 06:31 GMT
#138
On October 04 2011 14:11 RajaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:10 IntoTheBush wrote:
On October 04 2011 11:22 Linwelin wrote:
On October 04 2011 11:18 IntoTheBush wrote:
On October 04 2011 11:11 xbankx wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:44 IntoTheBush wrote:
best of luck to him, but I honestly saw this coming also. Cheesey play, and all-in's will only get you so far.


He rarely cheeses unless you count going to macro deathball off 3-4 base is cheese. Maybe according to Idra's standard.

i guess you've never played him...or even seen him play when he was apart of ONE.


Naniwa was also known as Onebasewa some months ago

What's your point

Nani isn't the topic of this thread, nor do I mention him in my posts. CrunCher is basically a middle of the road player who isn't even comparable to Naniwa in skill. Just look up tournament results.

Also I wasn't bashing ONE as if they all cheese.. I actually have a few friends that are involved with ItsGosu, so I have no problem with them if that is what youre trying to imply. I guess you didn't know, but that name was made out of sarcasm. Since anybody halfway decent could 4gate their way into Master league in season 1.

So sir, what exactly is your point?


His point is that Cruncher was improving a lot lately and had long ago moved passed the cheese / all-in style that you pidgeonholed him in.

thats not what Linwelin said. He made a post that made no sense..
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
October 04 2011 06:32 GMT
#139
does cruncher play csl?
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 06:56:02
October 04 2011 06:55 GMT
#140
Will his spot be filled by another player that will be recruited?

edit: possibly some foreigner in Korea to strengthen their presence in Korea?
Tippecanoe
Profile Joined May 2011
United States342 Posts
October 04 2011 07:00 GMT
#141
On October 04 2011 14:39 motbob wrote:
When Cruncher came onto the scene, Idra started losing and didn't stop.

When Cruncher retired, Idra started playing better than he had in months!

Coincidence?



Cruncher comes onto the scene toss is OP

Cruncher leaves toss is UP

Coincidence?

User was temp banned for this post.
Tekkerz
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom216 Posts
October 04 2011 07:02 GMT
#142
On October 04 2011 14:12 Ruscour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote:
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!


Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3

Was waiting for the moronic IdrA fan comment, shame it didn't even wait until the second page


Hardly moronic, just stating facts wasn't he?
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
October 04 2011 07:10 GMT
#143
On October 04 2011 14:35 Catatonic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On (Z)October 04 2011 10:01 Bagi wrote:
On (Z)October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote:

Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent.

They've got (P)NaNiwa and thats pretty much it.
Funny joke bro tell it again? (Z)CatZ, (T)Drewbie, (T)TriMaster, and (P)Minigun are really good so what is it you're on exactly? lol

Uh go look at all their records. Its cruncher who has been saving their team from embarrassment for the longest time.
skatbone
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1005 Posts
October 04 2011 08:01 GMT
#144
On October 04 2011 16:10 T0fuuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:35 Catatonic wrote:
On (Z)October 04 2011 10:01 Bagi wrote:
On (Z)October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote:

Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent.

They've got (P)NaNiwa and thats pretty much it.
Funny joke bro tell it again? (Z)CatZ, (T)Drewbie, (T)TriMaster, and (P)Minigun are really good so what is it you're on exactly? lol

Uh go look at all their records. Its cruncher who has been saving their team from embarrassment for the longest time.


Well, he said they have talent. He didn't say that they have a lot of players that win major tournaments.

I have to agree with Ruscour: Complexity has a lot of talent. It remains to be seen what results this talent might achieve.

I love how people like to jump on the oversimplify-the-"complexity"-of-someone-else's-life-into-a- simple- equation: he is going to go to school because Toss is UP.

As someone who has to juggle SC2 with graduate school, a fiancee, family, and teaching, I feel that the reduction of Cruncher's motives to toss be UP is reductive thinking at its finest. There is more to life than SC2, and sometimes, it calls to out us louder than the sound of zerglings screeching in death.
Mercurial#1193
JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
October 04 2011 08:05 GMT
#145
Oh man, best of luck coL and cruncher!
You can type "StarCraft" with just your left hand.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
October 04 2011 08:17 GMT
#146
On October 04 2011 16:02 Tekkerz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:12 Ruscour wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote:
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!


Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3

Was waiting for the moronic IdrA fan comment, shame it didn't even wait until the second page


Hardly moronic, just stating facts wasn't he?


It's not a fact he's quiting because of balance reasons.
kAra
Profile Joined September 2004
Germany1355 Posts
October 04 2011 08:18 GMT
#147
good luck!
mada mada dane
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
October 04 2011 08:19 GMT
#148
On October 04 2011 10:05 AxelTVx wrote:
Wow first person to actually quit a top team to focus on school. (I think, correct me if I'm wrong)

Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:02 Corrosive wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:01 Bagi wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote:

Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent.

They've got Naniwa and thats pretty much it.

trimaster? minigun?


We can't be too sure of trimaster yet as he only had really one good outing. As for minigun, I think that he'd make a big name for himself if he went for MLG, but sadly he hasn't attended any MLGs...


tri was 1 round before bracket i think 3 mlg's before in a row
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
October 04 2011 08:24 GMT
#149
good luck Cruncher, agaisnt all the odds was still about!!! Hope he has a good run in if he is leaving in january and gets a good size win!!!

Live and Let Die!
Makica
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada180 Posts
October 04 2011 08:25 GMT
#150
Cruncher was a very strong player. He clearly showed that with his results. Best of luck to him in his endeavours outside the game.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38198 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 11:29:33
October 04 2011 11:28 GMT
#151
That really sucks. One of the best NA toss "retiring" for school, makes you appreciate just how hard it is to make gaming a viable option even at the higher levels.

best of luck Cruncher.

(can't believe the idiots talking about race balance and shit in here)
Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
October 04 2011 11:34 GMT
#152
When DRG can be in the ace match for coL in the Master's Cup is when they'll "have" him. They need more good players.
WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
October 04 2011 11:37 GMT
#153
does this make cruncher a auto anti-vote in nasl...?
90% watching it 8% talking about it and 2% playing it - sc2
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
October 04 2011 11:40 GMT
#154
this is a truly sad day for esports, but good luck to cruncher in his future endeavours
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
October 04 2011 11:42 GMT
#155
On October 04 2011 14:10 IntoTheBush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 11:22 Linwelin wrote:
On October 04 2011 11:18 IntoTheBush wrote:
On October 04 2011 11:11 xbankx wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:44 IntoTheBush wrote:
best of luck to him, but I honestly saw this coming also. Cheesey play, and all-in's will only get you so far.


He rarely cheeses unless you count going to macro deathball off 3-4 base is cheese. Maybe according to Idra's standard.

i guess you've never played him...or even seen him play when he was apart of ONE.


Naniwa was also known as Onebasewa some months ago

What's your point

Nani isn't the topic of this thread, nor do I mention him in my posts. CrunCher is basically a middle of the road player who isn't even comparable to Naniwa in skill. Just look up tournament results.

Also I wasn't bashing ONE as if they all cheese.. I actually have a few friends that are involved with ItsGosu, so I have no problem with them if that is what youre trying to imply. I guess you didn't know, but that name was made out of sarcasm. Since anybody halfway decent could 4gate their way into Master league in season 1.

So sir, what exactly is your point?


My point is that judging a player on the way he was playing MONTHS ago is stupid
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 11:49:28
October 04 2011 11:47 GMT
#156
On October 04 2011 16:00 Tippecanoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:39 motbob wrote:
When Cruncher came onto the scene, Idra started losing and didn't stop.

When Cruncher retired, Idra started playing better than he had in months!

Coincidence?



Cruncher comes onto the scene toss is OP

Cruncher leaves toss is UP

Coincidence?


I think not, but protoss never was op anyways.

Can't say it seemed unsuspected because you didn't see much of him, his prime time was kind of TSL3 and NASL.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
October 04 2011 11:50 GMT
#157
Kinda sucks for NASL. Probably gonna be 3-4 walkovers since they dont have all the matches played yet


Good luck to cruncher in school, life and hopefully you will return to sc2 someday
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38198 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 11:51:43
October 04 2011 11:51 GMT
#158
On October 04 2011 20:47 eYeball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 16:00 Tippecanoe wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:39 motbob wrote:
When Cruncher came onto the scene, Idra started losing and didn't stop.

When Cruncher retired, Idra started playing better than he had in months!

Coincidence?



Cruncher comes onto the scene toss is OP

Cruncher leaves toss is UP

Coincidence?


I think not, but protoss never was op anyways.

Can't say it seemed unsuspected because you didn't see much of him, his prime time was kind of TSL3 and NASL.


Cruncher had very solid runs at the three MLG's he went to, making it to the championship bracket each time.
shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
October 04 2011 11:53 GMT
#159
On October 04 2011 17:17 nam nam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 16:02 Tekkerz wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:12 Ruscour wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote:
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!


Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3

Was waiting for the moronic IdrA fan comment, shame it didn't even wait until the second page


Hardly moronic, just stating facts wasn't he?


It's not a fact he's quiting because of balance reasons.


None said theres more than correlation Just pointed to

Seriously though, i too think that school is more important than gaming, so i hope he gets some manners to himself.
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
October 04 2011 11:57 GMT
#160
On October 04 2011 10:03 tuho12345 wrote:
Awww so we can't see IdrA and Cruncher shaking hand ever? Or may be EG will pick up Cruncher lol

yes. no.no.no.
they some really not good players they dont need another one
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Perseverance
Profile Joined February 2010
Japan2800 Posts
October 04 2011 12:07 GMT
#161
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote:
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!


Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3



aahahahahaha. I may be alone on this but I've never really thought of Cruncher as a good player...
<3 Moonbattles
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 12:09:44
October 04 2011 12:09 GMT
#162
On October 04 2011 21:07 Perseverance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote:
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!


Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3



aahahahahaha.i may be alone on this but I've never really thought of Cruncher as a good player...

L O L :D
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
ilikeLIONZ
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany427 Posts
October 04 2011 12:14 GMT
#163
it was and still is sad to see so many idra fanboys discrediting cruncher all the time, he's a very good player and seems like a friendly guy.
idra was just mad as usual and needed to blame something/someone for his own failures. in that case it was cruncher, and he definitely didnt deserve all the hate he received from idra fans.
hope he'll come back someday when he finished school, and take out the angry zerg once again.
bbm
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1320 Posts
October 04 2011 12:18 GMT
#164
On October 04 2011 12:13 RajaF wrote:
I am a bit bitter about this subject, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

But I'll say that I went to university (and a pretty prestigious institution too, namely the university of toronto) and college before that, got good grades and good experience, and all I have to show for it is a lot of debt. Most certainly a waste of time and money, not a doubt in my mind.

Unless you go to Harvard or some Ivy league school with really small class sizes and almost guaranteed employment at graduation (in which case you are rich anyway), then you will be entering the workforce at the same time as another 200 - 400 people in the same field just from your school, in just that year. And unemployment is on the rise right now. Think about that. And I'm not talking about English majors. I'm in computer science.

80% of the people that graduated with me and that I went to classes with are now unemployed (and can't get a decent job because they are overqualified) or employed in an unrelated field which they most of the time hate being in.



I just want to say that I finished my undergrad Computer Science at University of Birmingham three months ago, and I and almost all my friends who haven't done masters/whatever are in related jobs. I'm not in the best job ever, but it's reasonably well paid, and it is a graduate software development role. And there was no shortage of them around here.

Uni has paid off well for me. I don't want to generalise, but the market for compsci (in the UK at least) is perfectly fine from what I could tell.
By.Sun or By.Rain, he always delivers
Kuni
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Austria765 Posts
October 04 2011 12:18 GMT
#165
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote:
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!


Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3



Thought the same thing when I read the news. I somehow doubt he'd be going back to school if he really was successful now. Bad / Medium results (for being a progamer) are not the most solid thing to base a risky career on. So it sure is a good decision. Good Luck in the future.
bonus vir semper tiro
zeromajor01
Profile Joined June 2011
United States17 Posts
October 04 2011 12:19 GMT
#166
good choice. I support any progammer going back to school over playing. the long term return on investment is always better.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
October 04 2011 12:23 GMT
#167
On October 04 2011 20:53 shinarit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 17:17 nam nam wrote:
On October 04 2011 16:02 Tekkerz wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:12 Ruscour wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote:
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!


Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3

Was waiting for the moronic IdrA fan comment, shame it didn't even wait until the second page


Hardly moronic, just stating facts wasn't he?


It's not a fact he's quiting because of balance reasons.


None said theres more than correlation Just pointed to

Seriously though, i too think that school is more important than gaming, so i hope he gets some manners to himself.


I never really saw him as bad mannered so not sure what that last sentence was referring to.
AnalThermometer
Profile Joined February 2011
Vatican City State334 Posts
October 04 2011 12:37 GMT
#168
Cruncher is a good example of how terrible the SC2 community is at times, IdrA's sheeple have had it in for him since the moment he outplayed their favorite Zerg. In the end it's a loss for NA, one of their best Protoss.
labbe
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
October 04 2011 13:22 GMT
#169
Now go and aquire SaSe as replacement! Make it happen!
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
October 04 2011 13:34 GMT
#170
On October 04 2011 21:37 AnalThermometer wrote:
Cruncher is a good example of how terrible the SC2 community is at times, IdrA's sheeple have had it in for him since the moment he outplayed their favorite Zerg. In the end it's a loss for NA, one of their best Protoss.


And to top it off, it has to be somebody with the nick "AnalThermometer" who reminds them of reason. :>

Anyways, I wish Cruncher well for his school and I also hope that col can pick up SaSe, supporting him in Korea through the partnership with MVP. The non-Korean scene definitely lacks more dedicated players of the type of SaSe.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
October 04 2011 13:38 GMT
#171
On October 04 2011 21:23 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 20:53 shinarit wrote:
On October 04 2011 17:17 nam nam wrote:
On October 04 2011 16:02 Tekkerz wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:12 Ruscour wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote:
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!


Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3

Was waiting for the moronic IdrA fan comment, shame it didn't even wait until the second page


Hardly moronic, just stating facts wasn't he?


It's not a fact he's quiting because of balance reasons.


None said theres more than correlation Just pointed to

Seriously though, i too think that school is more important than gaming, so i hope he gets some manners to himself.


I never really saw him as bad mannered so not sure what that last sentence was referring to.

He beat Idra using an imbalanced strategy, you can't get much more BM than that.
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
October 04 2011 13:43 GMT
#172
I think that much like MC he pretty much rode the wave of imbalanced protoss. 2 base colossus, 3 base colossus void ray, nothing else ever came out of him.

Good luck with school/university to Cruncher, and I hope we won't see him again in SC2, unless he changes up his style.
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
October 04 2011 13:50 GMT
#173
On October 04 2011 22:38 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 21:23 Mordiford wrote:
On October 04 2011 20:53 shinarit wrote:
On October 04 2011 17:17 nam nam wrote:
On October 04 2011 16:02 Tekkerz wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:12 Ruscour wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote:
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!


Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3

Was waiting for the moronic IdrA fan comment, shame it didn't even wait until the second page


Hardly moronic, just stating facts wasn't he?


It's not a fact he's quiting because of balance reasons.


None said theres more than correlation Just pointed to

Seriously though, i too think that school is more important than gaming, so i hope he gets some manners to himself.


I never really saw him as bad mannered so not sure what that last sentence was referring to.

He beat Idra using an imbalanced strategy, you can't get much more BM than that.


Apparently anything that beats idra is imbalanced.

Trust me, his fans told me this.
NoMicroWin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States688 Posts
October 04 2011 13:58 GMT
#174
GL in your studies. Hope to see a swift return back into the SC2 sceen.

@ CrunCher Haters, stop hating

@ IdrA haters, Hate elsewhere (j/k =P) But forrealz, stop hating!
If she pulls out her stalkers, you pull out your mauraders and concussive all over her tits
FuzZyLogic
Profile Joined December 2010
United States141 Posts
October 04 2011 14:07 GMT
#175
On October 04 2011 10:14 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 09:59 wichenks wrote:
Looks like CrunCher is taking a break from professional Starcraft 2, in order to focus on school. The post on the complexity website makes it seem as if he is leaving the team in January!

Best of luck to him! He definitely made a splash on the scene.

Read the post here:

http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3173/


Unless he's got a good chance of getting a masters degree and a high paying career extra schooling is a waste. Good luck to him but I think he might be making a mistake.


LOL, really? Any professional career will make him a MUCH higher salary than he could ever make gaming. If you're concerned about long-term finances then college is a much safer bet than being a progamer.
Coal
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden1535 Posts
October 04 2011 14:14 GMT
#176
Mintberrycrunch? =((((((((((((((
In order to succeed, your desire for success should be greater than your fear of failure.
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
October 04 2011 14:17 GMT
#177
It's a great day to be IdrA!
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
October 04 2011 14:39 GMT
#178
Wow, people are being douches. GL in school man.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
October 04 2011 14:46 GMT
#179
On October 04 2011 23:17 zarepath wrote:
It's a great day to be IdrA!


lol bm
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E.H Eager
Profile Joined August 2011
United States227 Posts
October 04 2011 14:56 GMT
#180
That sucks, I'll miss the mass stargate PvZ...
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
October 04 2011 15:00 GMT
#181
i guess he saw that he wouldnt make it far and left
good for him to focus on school and maybe come back later

very smart decision on his part i like it
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
Tweleve
Profile Joined March 2011
United States644 Posts
October 04 2011 15:06 GMT
#182
On October 04 2011 23:56 E.H Eager wrote:
That sucks, I'll miss the mass stargate PvZ...


You never watch White-Ra do you
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
JoeKer
Profile Joined May 2011
United States9 Posts
October 04 2011 15:12 GMT
#183
Goodluck!
I'll think of one give me a minute.
sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 15:13:25
October 04 2011 15:12 GMT
#184
Funny thing is, idra fanboys point to this as being a testament to idra's statements.


Weird how they forget the other quotes along the lines of:

"Drewbie is shit and is riding the Terran OP bandwagon and will drop once they are nerfed and should probably apologize for playing the race", yet drewbie is still around playing at the top level of sc2 foreign pros. (not saying he is the best, but hes still top tier).


Oh and my favorite Idra statement, "Morrow is a gold-tier player and would be complete shit if he switched to zerg. I will never whine about balance if he wins a tourney with zerg" Funny enough, morrow is a better zerg than Idra in most people's opinion.


Idra fan boys remind me of those people who believe fortune tellers, for every 1000 prediction they make, one comes true and people believe them.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
October 04 2011 15:25 GMT
#185
On October 05 2011 00:12 sekritzzz wrote:
Funny thing is, idra fanboys point to this as being a testament to idra's statements.


Weird how they forget the other quotes along the lines of:

"Drewbie is shit and is riding the Terran OP bandwagon and will drop once they are nerfed and should probably apologize for playing the race", yet drewbie is still around playing at the top level of sc2 foreign pros. (not saying he is the best, but hes still top tier).


Oh and my favorite Idra statement, "Morrow is a gold-tier player and would be complete shit if he switched to zerg. I will never whine about balance if he wins a tourney with zerg" Funny enough, morrow is a better zerg than Idra in most people's opinion.


Idra fan boys remind me of those people who believe fortune tellers, for every 1000 prediction they make, one comes true and people believe them.


drewbie has won 1 TL open and 1 random $100 cup. i dont see how idra has been proven wrong :o
that single win was in late 2010, over 8 months ago.
PlosionCornu
Profile Joined August 2010
Italy814 Posts
October 04 2011 16:12 GMT
#186
What about NASL? What will happen to his spot? W.O. to every single one of his opponents?
Zath.erin
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada429 Posts
October 04 2011 16:13 GMT
#187
On October 04 2011 22:43 Jinsho wrote:
I think that much like MC he pretty much rode the wave of imbalanced protoss. 2 base colossus, 3 base colossus void ray, nothing else ever came out of him.

Good luck with school/university to Cruncher, and I hope we won't see him again in SC2, unless he changes up his style.

Here's a real winner of a quote, can definitely tell when someones only experience with a player is watching one series ( If that). He also manages to call the winninggest player in sc2 bad in the same paragraph too. I guess PvZ is the only matchup of importance when it comes to player style ( or that's the only thing idra cries about for him to mimic).
I put my pants on just like the rest of you - one leg at a time. Except once my pants are on, i make gold records!
socommaster123
Profile Joined May 2010
United States578 Posts
October 04 2011 16:20 GMT
#188
On October 05 2011 00:12 sekritzzz wrote:
Funny thing is, idra fanboys point to this as being a testament to idra's statements.


Weird how they forget the other quotes along the lines of:

"Drewbie is shit and is riding the Terran OP bandwagon and will drop once they are nerfed and should probably apologize for playing the race", yet drewbie is still around playing at the top level of sc2 foreign pros. (not saying he is the best, but hes still top tier).


Oh and my favorite Idra statement, "Morrow is a gold-tier player and would be complete shit if he switched to zerg. I will never whine about balance if he wins a tourney with zerg" Funny enough, morrow is a better zerg than Idra in most people's opinion.


Idra fan boys remind me of those people who believe fortune tellers, for every 1000 prediction they make, one comes true and people believe them.



Funny thing is Morrow isn't better than Idra in any way? And Drewbie hasn't had a notable tourney victory, he has potential to be good now in Korea but really these quotes haven't failed yet.
Idra White Ra Sheth DRG SaSe Thorzain GOGO!
Resilient
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom1431 Posts
October 04 2011 16:24 GMT
#189
On October 05 2011 01:20 socommaster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 00:12 sekritzzz wrote:
Funny thing is, idra fanboys point to this as being a testament to idra's statements.


Weird how they forget the other quotes along the lines of:

"Drewbie is shit and is riding the Terran OP bandwagon and will drop once they are nerfed and should probably apologize for playing the race", yet drewbie is still around playing at the top level of sc2 foreign pros. (not saying he is the best, but hes still top tier).


Oh and my favorite Idra statement, "Morrow is a gold-tier player and would be complete shit if he switched to zerg. I will never whine about balance if he wins a tourney with zerg" Funny enough, morrow is a better zerg than Idra in most people's opinion.


Idra fan boys remind me of those people who believe fortune tellers, for every 1000 prediction they make, one comes true and people believe them.



Funny thing is Morrow isn't better than Idra in any way? And Drewbie hasn't had a notable tourney victory, he has potential to be good now in Korea but really these quotes haven't failed yet.


Morrow is just as good as Idra at Zerg. Idra has been consistently wrong about players he loses to. Mana is like 10-2 vs him in the last 3 months alone, after Idra called him trash.
laugoatse
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany40 Posts
October 04 2011 16:26 GMT
#190
when i read the title of the thread i already thought to myself: "this is gonna become an idra discussion..." and i was right.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
October 04 2011 16:31 GMT
#191
On October 05 2011 00:00 sVnteen wrote:
i guess he saw that he wouldnt make it far and left
good for him to focus on school and maybe come back later

very smart decision on his part i like it


Way to jab at him and then cover it so you don't look like an ass..
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
socommaster123
Profile Joined May 2010
United States578 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 16:33:57
October 04 2011 16:33 GMT
#192
On October 05 2011 01:24 Resilient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 01:20 socommaster123 wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:12 sekritzzz wrote:
Funny thing is, idra fanboys point to this as being a testament to idra's statements.


Weird how they forget the other quotes along the lines of:

"Drewbie is shit and is riding the Terran OP bandwagon and will drop once they are nerfed and should probably apologize for playing the race", yet drewbie is still around playing at the top level of sc2 foreign pros. (not saying he is the best, but hes still top tier).


Oh and my favorite Idra statement, "Morrow is a gold-tier player and would be complete shit if he switched to zerg. I will never whine about balance if he wins a tourney with zerg" Funny enough, morrow is a better zerg than Idra in most people's opinion.


Idra fan boys remind me of those people who believe fortune tellers, for every 1000 prediction they make, one comes true and people believe them.



Funny thing is Morrow isn't better than Idra in any way? And Drewbie hasn't had a notable tourney victory, he has potential to be good now in Korea but really these quotes haven't failed yet.



Morrow is just as good as Idra at Zerg. Idra has been consistently wrong about players he loses to. Mana is like 10-2 vs him in the last 3 months alone, after Idra called him trash.


Mana is hella good
Idra White Ra Sheth DRG SaSe Thorzain GOGO!
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
October 04 2011 16:34 GMT
#193
cruncher making the right decision

good luck in college
banelings
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
October 04 2011 16:35 GMT
#194
On October 05 2011 01:20 socommaster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 00:12 sekritzzz wrote:
Funny thing is, idra fanboys point to this as being a testament to idra's statements.


Weird how they forget the other quotes along the lines of:

"Drewbie is shit and is riding the Terran OP bandwagon and will drop once they are nerfed and should probably apologize for playing the race", yet drewbie is still around playing at the top level of sc2 foreign pros. (not saying he is the best, but hes still top tier).


Oh and my favorite Idra statement, "Morrow is a gold-tier player and would be complete shit if he switched to zerg. I will never whine about balance if he wins a tourney with zerg" Funny enough, morrow is a better zerg than Idra in most people's opinion.


Idra fan boys remind me of those people who believe fortune tellers, for every 1000 prediction they make, one comes true and people believe them.



Funny thing is Morrow isn't better than Idra in any way? And Drewbie hasn't had a notable tourney victory, he has potential to be good now in Korea but really these quotes haven't failed yet.



Morrow is as good as IdrA (if not better). His ZvP and ZvT are actually monstrous, and IMO his macro and gamesense are much better than IdrA. If he didn't have school he'd probably be kicking ass right now.
Envy fan since NTH.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15511 Posts
October 04 2011 16:35 GMT
#195
Its an easy choice to make.

Staying in school will make you more money, give you more stability, and let you live a more normal life than being a pro-gamer. People romanticize pro-gaming as if its some divine honor, but it really isn't. QXC did the same thing as well as plenty of others.

Props to Cruncher for being logical.
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
October 04 2011 16:43 GMT
#196
The right decision has been made! GL!
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
October 04 2011 16:43 GMT
#197
On October 05 2011 01:24 Resilient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 01:20 socommaster123 wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:12 sekritzzz wrote:
Funny thing is, idra fanboys point to this as being a testament to idra's statements.


Weird how they forget the other quotes along the lines of:

"Drewbie is shit and is riding the Terran OP bandwagon and will drop once they are nerfed and should probably apologize for playing the race", yet drewbie is still around playing at the top level of sc2 foreign pros. (not saying he is the best, but hes still top tier).


Oh and my favorite Idra statement, "Morrow is a gold-tier player and would be complete shit if he switched to zerg. I will never whine about balance if he wins a tourney with zerg" Funny enough, morrow is a better zerg than Idra in most people's opinion.


Idra fan boys remind me of those people who believe fortune tellers, for every 1000 prediction they make, one comes true and people believe them.



Funny thing is Morrow isn't better than Idra in any way? And Drewbie hasn't had a notable tourney victory, he has potential to be good now in Korea but really these quotes haven't failed yet.


Morrow is just as good as Idra at Zerg. Idra has been consistently wrong about players he loses to. Mana is like 10-2 vs him in the last 3 months alone, after Idra called him trash.


Trash and MaNa in the same sentence makes me giggle. Oh wait what is that I see in the right?! Oh IdrA is fun ^^.
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
khaosis
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada96 Posts
October 04 2011 16:48 GMT
#198
If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Good luck to the rest of COL
Alea Iacta Est
Radook
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden326 Posts
October 04 2011 16:50 GMT
#199
Such random hate on a guy that will focus on school just sad to see. Hope he finish school and get back to playing when he's done.

Just because you like one player doesnt mean you have to hate another.
Woop Woop!
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
October 04 2011 16:50 GMT
#200
So is Cruncher withdrawing from the NASL?
Wedberg
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden169 Posts
October 04 2011 16:51 GMT
#201
On October 04 2011 10:03 tuho12345 wrote:
Awww so we can't see IdrA and Cruncher shaking hand ever? Or may be EG will pick up Cruncher lol


If EG does this to troll IdrA, it would make me so, so happy.
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
October 04 2011 16:51 GMT
#202
On October 05 2011 01:50 Sandro wrote:
So is Cruncher withdrawing from the NASL?


I believe he will play out the remainder of his contract? Till Jan / 2012?
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
Routa
Profile Joined July 2011
Finland43 Posts
October 04 2011 16:55 GMT
#203
so sad
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
October 04 2011 17:02 GMT
#204
On October 04 2011 09:59 wichenks wrote:
He definitely made a splash on the scene.

Bamm
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden279 Posts
October 04 2011 17:09 GMT
#205
gl cruncher hope u do well in school
Bamm and the dirt is gone!
Legio
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden235 Posts
October 04 2011 17:20 GMT
#206
Looks like Col just lost 300lbs.

Big mistake on Crunchers part. He had the chance of 3-4 years of rockstar life (before competition got too fierce), stable wages from Col, fly around the world and play computer games, perhaps live in a Col house in Korea and practise with the best.

Now he gets another 40 years of sitting in a cubicle working 9-5. There is no way he can go back to SC2 after school, as the competition is increasing so fast.

User was temp banned for this post.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15511 Posts
October 04 2011 17:21 GMT
#207
On October 05 2011 01:48 khaosis wrote:
If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Good luck to the rest of COL


I think it has more to do with the fact that any reasonable person would choose their college education over pro-gaming. A college graduate studying anything meaningful will have more financial security than 99.9% of pro-gamers. Not to mention its a reliable and easy to manage lifestyle.
DubLHelix
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3 Posts
October 04 2011 17:30 GMT
#208
good i hated him, one less player to 4gate/ cheese good players
Turquoise
Profile Joined August 2011
Turkey145 Posts
October 04 2011 17:43 GMT
#209
Here's looking at you, kid.
Lynda
Profile Joined May 2010
649 Posts
October 04 2011 17:43 GMT
#210
I admit I used to hate him for a longer while after he beat IdrA in the TSL, but now I must agree with the posts saying that the waters have cooled down since then and people including me are less emotional about stuff like this now. Also in interviews he seems like a honest and good-mannered dude. Best of luck to him.
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 17:44:43
October 04 2011 17:43 GMT
#211
On October 04 2011 14:39 motbob wrote:
When Cruncher came onto the scene, Idra started losing and didn't stop.

When Cruncher retired, Idra started playing better than he had in months!

Coincidence?

I think Cruncher was Idra's protoss smurf. Obviously he couldn't admit to anyone that he was playing Protoss because of all the things he'd said about Protoss players, so he created an alter-ego and got a friend (probably Axslav or Strifocro, but mostly likely Strifecro, because who would notice when he was missing?) to dress up in his Cruncher costume when he had to be Idra at tournaments.

+ Show Spoiler [IEM spoiler] +
His win at IEM only cemented what he'd known for a while about Zerg actually being the op race, and Protoss being really hard to play and win with atm and that for a Protoss to beat a Zerg they need to be a much much better player than the Zerg.

So he decided that it was time to retire Cruncher and focus 100% of his practice time to Zerg again.

Don't worry though. If Idra starts to slump again then Cruncher will definitely be back.
ilikeLIONZ
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany427 Posts
October 04 2011 17:43 GMT
#212
this thread needs moderation, it's a pity what the real face of the sc2 community is, well mannered is something different.
EggYsc2
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
620 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 17:48:46
October 04 2011 17:45 GMT
#213
On October 05 2011 02:20 Legio wrote:
Looks like Col just lost 300lbs.

Big mistake on Crunchers part. He had the chance of 3-4 years of rockstar life (before competition got too fierce), stable wages from Col, fly around the world and play computer games, perhaps live in a Col house in Korea and practise with the best.

Now he gets another 40 years of sitting in a cubicle working 9-5. There is no way he can go back to SC2 after school, as the competition is increasing so fast.


Your perspective of life is so skewed its almost sad
I think you need a reality check
a serious
reality check.

If you think thats what life is...yeah sorry if thats what happened to you.

But gambling on a E-SPORT is almost illogical, its all fun and games
but at the end of the day if youre not top korean level
youre not going to make a great living off this game.

You have to think about the long-run of your life
not just the short-run.

I believe cruncher noticed he is good, but he is not the best(not winning MLGs, IEM etc)
and it takes balls and a logical brain to know what is attainable and not attainable.

No one knows what the future of ESPORTS is
so unless youre an IdrA, MC, Nestea
why take the gamble on life?


Proffesional E-Sports is a life experiance
but 90% of the time, it cant be a life-style.
Cruncher noticed he is not the 10%
Resilient
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom1431 Posts
October 04 2011 17:51 GMT
#214
On October 05 2011 02:20 Legio wrote:
Looks like Col just lost 300lbs.

Big mistake on Crunchers part. He had the chance of 3-4 years of rockstar life (before competition got too fierce), stable wages from Col, fly around the world and play computer games, perhaps live in a Col house in Korea and practise with the best.

Now he gets another 40 years of sitting in a cubicle working 9-5. There is no way he can go back to SC2 after school, as the competition is increasing so fast.


I'm sorry but getting an education and career is a much better move than hoping you'll develop MVP skills and IdrA marketability.
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
October 04 2011 17:53 GMT
#215
On October 05 2011 02:43 ilikeLIONZ wrote:
this thread needs moderation, it's a pity what the real face of the sc2 community is, well mannered is something different.

Nah, that's just the Idra fanboys.
.Enigma.
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1461 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 17:55:43
October 04 2011 17:55 GMT
#216
On October 04 2011 10:04 Sorter wrote:
Catz is underrated. Good luck to Cruncher in his studies however!


Catz' is not underrated.

Too bad about Cruncher though, he was pretty good but I'm sure he'll be back eventually. Let's hope for it atleast.
"Jupiters c*ck!" - Quintus Lentulus Batiatus
Ises
Profile Joined October 2011
131 Posts
October 04 2011 17:56 GMT
#217
so this thread is about Idra yeah? :d
Really though I hope to see Cruncher back some time in the future trolling Idra <3
TG_Lelouch
Profile Joined August 2011
United States134 Posts
October 04 2011 17:57 GMT
#218
Wow it seems like he will 100% be release from COL. on Jan. lol..
Legio
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden235 Posts
October 04 2011 17:57 GMT
#219
On October 05 2011 02:45 IOvEggY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 02:20 Legio wrote:
Looks like Col just lost 300lbs.

Big mistake on Crunchers part. He had the chance of 3-4 years of rockstar life (before competition got too fierce), stable wages from Col, fly around the world and play computer games, perhaps live in a Col house in Korea and practise with the best.

Now he gets another 40 years of sitting in a cubicle working 9-5. There is no way he can go back to SC2 after school, as the competition is increasing so fast.


Your perspective of life is so skewed its almost sad
I think you need a reality check
a serious
reality check.

If you think thats what life is...yeah sorry if thats what happened to you.

But gambling on a E-SPORT is almost illogical, its all fun and games
but at the end of the day if youre not top korean level
youre not going to make a great living off this game.

You have to think about the long-run of your life
not just the short-run.

I believe cruncher noticed he is good, but he is not the best(not winning MLGs, IEM etc)
and it takes balls and a logical brain to know what is attainable and not attainable.

No one knows what the future of ESPORTS is
so unless youre an IdrA, MC, Nestea
why take the gamble on life?


Proffesional E-Sports is a life experiance
but 90% of the time, it cant be a life-style.
Cruncher noticed he is not the 10%

I don't agree. Cruncher is bad, that I can agree with.. and he will never win a tournament or get into the finals of anything. But look at whats happening to the scene, teams like Col and FXO have more money than they know what to do with so they splurge all over the few Americans that have a name in the hope of not missing out on the gold rush that is coming. Sure Koreans are better, but a korean doesnt sell an overpriced Razor laptop or a fancy mouse with 15 buttons. Cruncher was the top name of Col, and if he was smart he could have milked that for at least a couple of years before people realized he was trash.

And life is not just about security. Cruncher may be fat, but hes still just a kid.. he should take the chance at a rockstar life now, because school isn't going anywhere. Look at Idra, he turned down a physics scholarship to go live on Artosis floor in Korea just so he could follow his dream. That is why we love Idra, and that is why Cruncher failed.
energeist
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada21 Posts
October 04 2011 18:03 GMT
#220
On October 05 2011 02:57 Legio wrote: [...] at least a couple of years before people realized he was trash.


Everyone with half a brain realized he was trash a long time ago, so I'm not sure if he would have had more of a chance to milk anything.
royal.cze
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada287 Posts
October 04 2011 18:04 GMT
#221
so did cruncher do anything besides you know beating idra that one time in the tsl ?
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
October 04 2011 18:05 GMT
#222
On October 05 2011 03:04 royal.cze wrote:
so did cruncher do anything besides you know beating idra that one time in the tsl ?

He's beaten plenty of players way better than Idra.
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
AutomatonOmega
Profile Joined February 2011
United States706 Posts
October 04 2011 18:06 GMT
#223
The whole thing comes down to Cruncher having relied on playing abusively and turtling up on 3 bases in a sim city while waiting for 3/3/3 200/200 and steamrolling. If he'd explored the game and put in the work to be legitimately good like Hasu he'd still be in the scene and still thriving.

He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result.
royal.cze
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada287 Posts
October 04 2011 18:08 GMT
#224
On October 05 2011 03:05 iamke55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 03:04 royal.cze wrote:
so did cruncher do anything besides you know beating idra that one time in the tsl ?

He's beaten plenty of players way better than Idra.


So Crunchers been beating Koreans ? I must have missed it.
kusto
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation823 Posts
October 04 2011 18:10 GMT
#225
This thread should be closed.
There is no real contribution here, just Idras swarm creeping all over the place.

Good luck to Cruncher. It was a fun experience for him, i bet. But it's time to move on in life.
the game is the game
Underoath
Profile Joined May 2011
Peru113 Posts
October 04 2011 18:10 GMT
#226
Never liked the guy anyway. Imo, good riddance.
"More GG, more skill" - WhiteRa
monXikk
Profile Joined May 2010
Poland742 Posts
October 04 2011 18:11 GMT
#227
On October 05 2011 03:04 royal.cze wrote:
so did cruncher do anything besides you know beating idra that one time in the tsl ?

nah, he had some success making to the pool play at MLG, he probably beat some notable players here and there but basically thats it.

Too bad for CoL, they lost their second best player.
Gl to Abdulaziz.
yet another IdrA's #1 fan
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38198 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 18:14:11
October 04 2011 18:12 GMT
#228
On October 05 2011 03:04 royal.cze wrote:
so did cruncher do anything besides you know beating idra that one time in the tsl ?


Made the MLG championship bracket every time he attended, mid-tabled NASL, won some NA cups.

Cruncher never set the world on fire with his performances, but behind Kiwi and TT1 he was definitely one of the best Protoss in NA.

This thread is fucking depressing me with how BM some people are about what's basically the retiment of a pretty strong NA player :/
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
October 04 2011 18:13 GMT
#229
On October 05 2011 03:08 royal.cze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 03:05 iamke55 wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:04 royal.cze wrote:
so did cruncher do anything besides you know beating idra that one time in the tsl ?

He's beaten plenty of players way better than Idra.


So Crunchers been beating Koreans ? I must have missed it.

Yeah you never really hear about it because in any tournament where you beat Koreans, the field is so tough that you just lose to another Korean and don't finish in the top 3.
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
October 04 2011 18:13 GMT
#230
On October 05 2011 02:21 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 01:48 khaosis wrote:
If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Good luck to the rest of COL


I think it has more to do with the fact that any reasonable person would choose their college education over pro-gaming. A college graduate studying anything meaningful will have more financial security than 99.9% of pro-gamers. Not to mention its a reliable and easy to manage lifestyle.


if you are good enough at a game to play it for money, you have to take the shot. college will wait for you
royal.cze
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada287 Posts
October 04 2011 18:14 GMT
#231
On October 05 2011 03:11 monXikk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 03:04 royal.cze wrote:
so did cruncher do anything besides you know beating idra that one time in the tsl ?

nah, he had some success making to the pool play at MLG, he probably beat some notable players here and there but basically thats it.

Too bad for CoL, they lost their second best player.
Gl to Abdulaziz.



Good call I remember that he did make it out of open play at one MLG right ? and went fairly deep in the loser championship bracket ?
AnalThermometer
Profile Joined February 2011
Vatican City State334 Posts
October 04 2011 18:16 GMT
#232
On October 05 2011 03:06 AutomatonOmega wrote:
The whole thing comes down to Cruncher having relied on playing abusively and turtling up on 3 bases in a sim city while waiting for 3/3/3 200/200 and steamrolling. If he'd explored the game and put in the work to be legitimately good like Hasu he'd still be in the scene and still thriving.

He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result.


Out of interest, could one of the Idra's fans explain to me what ISN'T classified as abusive play or relying on a bag of tricks? It seems if Cruncher 4gates, 6 gates, builds a Void Ray etc. that's abusive play which won't last long. Yet at the same time if you play extremely safe and turtle while building up your army that's also labelled as abusive play and some kind of trick. I AM CONFUSE.
SolidMustard
Profile Joined May 2011
France1515 Posts
October 04 2011 18:24 GMT
#233
I'll remember that smiley face
uSnAmplified
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1029 Posts
October 04 2011 18:26 GMT
#234
He had some solid tournament placements outside of TSL, they were just mostly small cups and he never really made it into any big finals, also some solid MLG placements just nothing extraordinary.

Can't say i was a fan of his play but gl in the future.
~
SySLeif
Profile Joined July 2011
United States123 Posts
October 04 2011 18:40 GMT
#235
It happens, I'm glad he's making sure he is getting the most out of school though. You can't play SC2 for the rest of your life.
phisku
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Belgium864 Posts
October 04 2011 18:51 GMT
#236
what a surprise...
Horse...falcon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1851 Posts
October 04 2011 18:52 GMT
#237
What school does he go to? Who else is still in school? Did Select graduate or does he have another year?
Artosis: "From horsssse....falcon"
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15511 Posts
October 04 2011 18:54 GMT
#238
On October 05 2011 03:40 SySLeif wrote:
It happens, I'm glad he's making sure he is getting the most out of school though. You can't play SC2 for the rest of your life.


Yeah and its pretty impressive what he's done so far while being in school. His entire career up to this point has been while being a full-time student. He's probably just getting into the higher level, more difficult classes which take considerably more time. People seem to forget he was never the kind of person who put his whole life into SC2 or something. It was a hobby for him. Just because he made it as far and farther in tournaments than full-time pros, doesn't mean he was a full-time pro
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
October 04 2011 18:57 GMT
#239
On October 05 2011 03:08 royal.cze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 03:05 iamke55 wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:04 royal.cze wrote:
so did cruncher do anything besides you know beating idra that one time in the tsl ?

He's beaten plenty of players way better than Idra.


So Crunchers been beating Koreans ? I must have missed it.


He beat Boxer at MLG when Boxer ended up in 3rd place.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 19:01:20
October 04 2011 18:59 GMT
#240
I will forever miss Cruncher. WCR represent! I do hope he comes back one. He is a good player who I personally believe did not deserve to be a victim of hate from this community.
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 04 2011 19:10 GMT
#241
On October 05 2011 03:57 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 03:08 royal.cze wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:05 iamke55 wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:04 royal.cze wrote:
so did cruncher do anything besides you know beating idra that one time in the tsl ?

He's beaten plenty of players way better than Idra.


So Crunchers been beating Koreans ? I must have missed it.


He beat Boxer at MLG when Boxer ended up in 3rd place.


He took a game not took him the whole series (which was impressive still).
When I think of something else, something will go here
AutomatonOmega
Profile Joined February 2011
United States706 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 19:15:54
October 04 2011 19:14 GMT
#242
On October 05 2011 03:16 AnalThermometer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 03:06 AutomatonOmega wrote:
The whole thing comes down to Cruncher having relied on playing abusively and turtling up on 3 bases in a sim city while waiting for 3/3/3 200/200 and steamrolling. If he'd explored the game and put in the work to be legitimately good like Hasu he'd still be in the scene and still thriving.

He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result.


Out of interest, could one of the Idra's fans explain to me what ISN'T classified as abusive play or relying on a bag of tricks? It seems if Cruncher 4gates, 6 gates, builds a Void Ray etc. that's abusive play which won't last long. Yet at the same time if you play extremely safe and turtle while building up your army that's also labelled as abusive play and some kind of trick. I AM CONFUSE.


Leaning heavily on turtling with force fields and colossi and/or blink IMO. Abusing overpowered synergies without exploring other options and developing a playstyle around them that has difficulty competing when not allowed to adhere to that one, narrow strategy. Many protoss use these tactics, but most (again, like Hasu, sorry if it seems like I'm on his sack or something) that are actually skilled at the game employ them in an otherwise well-rounded repertoire that includes many other builds and strategies and doesn't fall apart in their absence.

The times he didn't do the above that I observed were times where he was pulling rabbits out of hats to 'change it up' with phoenix harass. His mechanics, game sense, and multitasking were never up to the caliber of the likes of Naniwa or Hasuobs, or even Incontrol. This is all something he had the power to change himself but didn't out of laziness.

All you really have to do to see the abusive Protoss players is track their performance since 1.3 and 1.4. Many started basically sucking, because they didn't have the skill to modify their approaches. Post-1.3, many in Korea started kinda sucking against zerg just because of the way the patch went to begin with, but it was a downhill decline ever since for the Protoss players that weren't able to play without their bags of tricks.
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
October 04 2011 19:21 GMT
#243
I think Idra will be shaking up the most about this news hes really hurting
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Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 19:27:16
October 04 2011 19:22 GMT
#244
On October 05 2011 04:14 AutomatonOmega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 03:16 AnalThermometer wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:06 AutomatonOmega wrote:
The whole thing comes down to Cruncher having relied on playing abusively and turtling up on 3 bases in a sim city while waiting for 3/3/3 200/200 and steamrolling. If he'd explored the game and put in the work to be legitimately good like Hasu he'd still be in the scene and still thriving.

He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result.


Out of interest, could one of the Idra's fans explain to me what ISN'T classified as abusive play or relying on a bag of tricks? It seems if Cruncher 4gates, 6 gates, builds a Void Ray etc. that's abusive play which won't last long. Yet at the same time if you play extremely safe and turtle while building up your army that's also labelled as abusive play and some kind of trick. I AM CONFUSE.


Leaning heavily on turtling with force fields and colossi and/or blink IMO. Abusing overpowered synergies without exploring other options and developing a playstyle around them that has difficulty competing when not allowed to adhere to that one, narrow strategy. Many protoss use these tactics, but most (again, like Hasu, sorry if it seems like I'm on his sack or something) that are actually skilled at the game employ them in an otherwise well-rounded repertoire that includes many other builds and strategies and doesn't fall apart in their absence.

The times he didn't do the above that I observed were times where he was pulling rabbits out of hats to 'change it up' with phoenix harass. His mechanics, game sense, and multitasking were never up to the caliber of the likes of Naniwa or Hasuobs, or even Incontrol. This is all something he had the power to change himself but didn't out of laziness.

All you really have to do to see the abusive Protoss players is track their performance since 1.3 and 1.4. Many started basically sucking, because they didn't have the skill to modify their approaches. Post-1.3, many in Korea started kinda sucking against zerg just because of the way the patch went to begin with, but it was a downhill decline ever since for the Protoss players that weren't able to play without their bags of tricks.


You are so stupid it hurts. Which other strategies should he have been using, out of interest? You are basically abusing him for using strats that worked, then calling him out on his post 1.3 performance when ALL match ups were showing sub 50% win rates for Protoss players, even Koreans. I don't see you telling Idra to stop using muta/ling because you deem it 'abusive' for some abiguous reason only you are aware off. The part about his mechanics and him being 'lazy' are the best - how do you even know this? Hes taken games off exceptional players with very solid play! Hes quitting sc2 to go to SCHOOL. SCHOOL. How is that a bad thing?

Jesus these threads man..

Good luck to Cruncher. I thought he was pretty manner, especially at MLG trying to shake Idras hand. For the record I'm an Idra fan also, I just hate retards.

gl Cruncher!
Bling, MC, Snute, HwangSin, Deranging (<3) fan. 'Full name - ESP ORTS' Vote hotbid. Vote ESPORTS.
maximuspita
Profile Joined April 2010
1093 Posts
October 04 2011 19:39 GMT
#245
What's with the Cruncher hate in this thread

We need more
Korean Air, please save Fox.
striderxxx
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada443 Posts
October 04 2011 19:44 GMT
#246
On October 04 2011 10:02 Corrosive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:01 Bagi wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote:

Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent.

They've got Naniwa and thats pretty much it.

trimaster? minigun?


repeat - Naniwa is all they have.

any members of MVP don't really count as a COL member, they are just training partners.
iAmBiGbiRd
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia1029 Posts
October 04 2011 19:45 GMT
#247
Threads like this make my head explode, however i won't succumb to the idiots and write a novel that shreds holes in their arguments because that would merely make them grow. I like IdrA and i am a fan of him despite being a Protoss player but the fact that all his Die-hard fans turn into mindless zombies bent only on defending his every loss by calling the other player bad or saying they abused a broken strat is fucking ridiculous, CrunCher is a nice guy who DID NOT deserve the bullshit he received AT ALL. "Yeah well he bad mannered IdrA after cheesing him out of TSL, what a joke" He didn't cheese he used a timing and a strong build and a simple smiley face is hardly BM when IdrA blatantly said that he "Was approaching this match as if it were a walk over" before the game. CrunCher was always nice to me although i doubt he would remember me, when we spent some time in infC (One of the two best USA wc3 teams at the later stages of the game) together, he was always up for FFA's and games etc

As for people saying that he left because toss is weak now and he had no skill so it's fitting or whatever
1) He was always a student first and foremost so it's only logical
2) Why would he want to commit time and effort when after all this time and effort if he ever wins anything he cops a fucking ridiculous amount of Flak for it from the very heart of the community that is supposed to be supporting this game/the players
3) He would rape the face off of EVERY poster who said stupid things like "Good riddance" and "Saw it coming, he's bad anyway"

Once again no disrespect to IdrA because i think he's great but most of his fans are so fucking stupid i can't even comprehend their thought process but i think it's something along the lines of that they leach from him and think that when he wins they are, in turn, better than the fans of the player he defeated aswell

Example: IdrA 3-1 Elfi (Not using this specifically, as it's happened many times
IdRa fanboys = LOL IdrA BEST IN WORLD, SHIT EURO SCRUB ABUSER CHEESER DOWN (People defend Elfi) YOUR AN IDIOT, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS GAME AT ALL I BET YOUR SOME BRONZE SCRUB



Sigh, sorry for my rant, it's 6 am and i havent slept in two days lol back to the topic GL in everything you do CrunCher and i hope when you either finish study/have more time and motivation you come back stronger than ever

Rage at me all you want, i'm going to sleep
Hello friends:)
iAmBiGbiRd
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia1029 Posts
October 04 2011 19:46 GMT
#248
On October 05 2011 04:22 Trowa127 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 04:14 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:16 AnalThermometer wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:06 AutomatonOmega wrote:
The whole thing comes down to Cruncher having relied on playing abusively and turtling up on 3 bases in a sim city while waiting for 3/3/3 200/200 and steamrolling. If he'd explored the game and put in the work to be legitimately good like Hasu he'd still be in the scene and still thriving.

He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result.


Out of interest, could one of the Idra's fans explain to me what ISN'T classified as abusive play or relying on a bag of tricks? It seems if Cruncher 4gates, 6 gates, builds a Void Ray etc. that's abusive play which won't last long. Yet at the same time if you play extremely safe and turtle while building up your army that's also labelled as abusive play and some kind of trick. I AM CONFUSE.


Leaning heavily on turtling with force fields and colossi and/or blink IMO. Abusing overpowered synergies without exploring other options and developing a playstyle around them that has difficulty competing when not allowed to adhere to that one, narrow strategy. Many protoss use these tactics, but most (again, like Hasu, sorry if it seems like I'm on his sack or something) that are actually skilled at the game employ them in an otherwise well-rounded repertoire that includes many other builds and strategies and doesn't fall apart in their absence.

The times he didn't do the above that I observed were times where he was pulling rabbits out of hats to 'change it up' with phoenix harass. His mechanics, game sense, and multitasking were never up to the caliber of the likes of Naniwa or Hasuobs, or even Incontrol. This is all something he had the power to change himself but didn't out of laziness.

All you really have to do to see the abusive Protoss players is track their performance since 1.3 and 1.4. Many started basically sucking, because they didn't have the skill to modify their approaches. Post-1.3, many in Korea started kinda sucking against zerg just because of the way the patch went to begin with, but it was a downhill decline ever since for the Protoss players that weren't able to play without their bags of tricks.


You are so stupid it hurts. Which other strategies should he have been using, out of interest? You are basically abusing him for using strats that worked, then calling him out on his post 1.3 performance when ALL match ups were showing sub 50% win rates for Protoss players, even Koreans. I don't see you telling Idra to stop using muta/ling because you deem it 'abusive' for some abiguous reason only you are aware off. The part about his mechanics and him being 'lazy' are the best - how do you even know this? Hes taken games off exceptional players with very solid play! Hes quitting sc2 to go to SCHOOL. SCHOOL. How is that a bad thing?

Jesus these threads man..

Good luck to Cruncher. I thought he was pretty manner, especially at MLG trying to shake Idras hand. For the record I'm an Idra fan also, I just hate retards.

gl Cruncher!


In hindsight i should have just QFT this comment and said GL to CrunCher lol
Hello friends:)
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
October 04 2011 19:49 GMT
#249
On October 05 2011 04:46 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 04:22 Trowa127 wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:14 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:16 AnalThermometer wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:06 AutomatonOmega wrote:
The whole thing comes down to Cruncher having relied on playing abusively and turtling up on 3 bases in a sim city while waiting for 3/3/3 200/200 and steamrolling. If he'd explored the game and put in the work to be legitimately good like Hasu he'd still be in the scene and still thriving.

He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result.


Out of interest, could one of the Idra's fans explain to me what ISN'T classified as abusive play or relying on a bag of tricks? It seems if Cruncher 4gates, 6 gates, builds a Void Ray etc. that's abusive play which won't last long. Yet at the same time if you play extremely safe and turtle while building up your army that's also labelled as abusive play and some kind of trick. I AM CONFUSE.


Leaning heavily on turtling with force fields and colossi and/or blink IMO. Abusing overpowered synergies without exploring other options and developing a playstyle around them that has difficulty competing when not allowed to adhere to that one, narrow strategy. Many protoss use these tactics, but most (again, like Hasu, sorry if it seems like I'm on his sack or something) that are actually skilled at the game employ them in an otherwise well-rounded repertoire that includes many other builds and strategies and doesn't fall apart in their absence.

The times he didn't do the above that I observed were times where he was pulling rabbits out of hats to 'change it up' with phoenix harass. His mechanics, game sense, and multitasking were never up to the caliber of the likes of Naniwa or Hasuobs, or even Incontrol. This is all something he had the power to change himself but didn't out of laziness.

All you really have to do to see the abusive Protoss players is track their performance since 1.3 and 1.4. Many started basically sucking, because they didn't have the skill to modify their approaches. Post-1.3, many in Korea started kinda sucking against zerg just because of the way the patch went to begin with, but it was a downhill decline ever since for the Protoss players that weren't able to play without their bags of tricks.


You are so stupid it hurts. Which other strategies should he have been using, out of interest? You are basically abusing him for using strats that worked, then calling him out on his post 1.3 performance when ALL match ups were showing sub 50% win rates for Protoss players, even Koreans. I don't see you telling Idra to stop using muta/ling because you deem it 'abusive' for some abiguous reason only you are aware off. The part about his mechanics and him being 'lazy' are the best - how do you even know this? Hes taken games off exceptional players with very solid play! Hes quitting sc2 to go to SCHOOL. SCHOOL. How is that a bad thing?

Jesus these threads man..

Good luck to Cruncher. I thought he was pretty manner, especially at MLG trying to shake Idras hand. For the record I'm an Idra fan also, I just hate retards.

gl Cruncher!


In hindsight i should have just QFT this comment and said GL to CrunCher lol


It had to be said. Its mind blowing the legnths that some people will go in an attempt to justify an argument that is at best, fucking moronic. Idra is a great player, that doesn't mean these morons have to act like a retard 'defending' him against people who beat him in the past.

Sorry I'm raging pretty hard right now.
Bling, MC, Snute, HwangSin, Deranging (<3) fan. 'Full name - ESP ORTS' Vote hotbid. Vote ESPORTS.
IGotPlayguuu
Profile Joined June 2011
Italy660 Posts
October 04 2011 19:59 GMT
#250
""

You'll be remembered, Crunher...
BW |JaeDong|Bisu|FBH|BeSt| SC2 |MC|DRG|MMA|TLO|HuK|July|ClouD| ||| Boxer best player ever! ||| "HuK never use penix" ||| I <3 SeleCT ||| GO Space! ||| Nerf Roach! |||
CaptainSlow
Profile Joined October 2010
Malaysia164 Posts
October 04 2011 20:00 GMT
#251
good luck in exams cruncher!
Treva
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States533 Posts
October 04 2011 20:01 GMT
#252
Quitting something like professional Starcraft for school when you're on a good team and you're a good player shows some real maturity. It'll be interesting if we'll see him come back after he is done with his studies. Well wishes dude!
Live it up.
leandroqm
Profile Joined June 2008
Netherlands874 Posts
October 04 2011 20:02 GMT
#253
Do well in studies, Cruncher!
We will be waiting for you when you graduate.
What are you tinkering about?
uSnAmplified
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1029 Posts
October 04 2011 20:03 GMT
#254
I love these threads, watching fanboys rage at each other mindlessly. Idra doesn't need to be defended, and neither does cruncher, hes moving on in life both sides can stop being stupid and let it be.
~
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
October 04 2011 20:14 GMT
#255
What a coincidence. Both of the formerly no-name players who's biggest claim to fame was beating Idra and receiving epic BM from him both joined Complexity then quit gaming shortly after.

Complexity just doesn't learn do they.
Zalgradis
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom2 Posts
October 04 2011 20:19 GMT
#256
Choosing to focus on his education over his professional Starcraft 2 career is the right move. I'm sure we will see him again soon.
CurLy[]
Profile Joined August 2010
United States759 Posts
October 04 2011 20:20 GMT
#257
And this will be the last we ever hear about Cruncher. Hopefully he saved up some money for college
Great pasta mom, very Korean. Even my crown leans to the side. Gangsta. --------->
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
October 04 2011 20:21 GMT
#258
On October 05 2011 04:49 Trowa127 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 04:46 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:22 Trowa127 wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:14 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:16 AnalThermometer wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:06 AutomatonOmega wrote:
The whole thing comes down to Cruncher having relied on playing abusively and turtling up on 3 bases in a sim city while waiting for 3/3/3 200/200 and steamrolling. If he'd explored the game and put in the work to be legitimately good like Hasu he'd still be in the scene and still thriving.

He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result.


Out of interest, could one of the Idra's fans explain to me what ISN'T classified as abusive play or relying on a bag of tricks? It seems if Cruncher 4gates, 6 gates, builds a Void Ray etc. that's abusive play which won't last long. Yet at the same time if you play extremely safe and turtle while building up your army that's also labelled as abusive play and some kind of trick. I AM CONFUSE.


Leaning heavily on turtling with force fields and colossi and/or blink IMO. Abusing overpowered synergies without exploring other options and developing a playstyle around them that has difficulty competing when not allowed to adhere to that one, narrow strategy. Many protoss use these tactics, but most (again, like Hasu, sorry if it seems like I'm on his sack or something) that are actually skilled at the game employ them in an otherwise well-rounded repertoire that includes many other builds and strategies and doesn't fall apart in their absence.

The times he didn't do the above that I observed were times where he was pulling rabbits out of hats to 'change it up' with phoenix harass. His mechanics, game sense, and multitasking were never up to the caliber of the likes of Naniwa or Hasuobs, or even Incontrol. This is all something he had the power to change himself but didn't out of laziness.

All you really have to do to see the abusive Protoss players is track their performance since 1.3 and 1.4. Many started basically sucking, because they didn't have the skill to modify their approaches. Post-1.3, many in Korea started kinda sucking against zerg just because of the way the patch went to begin with, but it was a downhill decline ever since for the Protoss players that weren't able to play without their bags of tricks.


You are so stupid it hurts. Which other strategies should he have been using, out of interest? You are basically abusing him for using strats that worked, then calling him out on his post 1.3 performance when ALL match ups were showing sub 50% win rates for Protoss players, even Koreans. I don't see you telling Idra to stop using muta/ling because you deem it 'abusive' for some abiguous reason only you are aware off. The part about his mechanics and him being 'lazy' are the best - how do you even know this? Hes taken games off exceptional players with very solid play! Hes quitting sc2 to go to SCHOOL. SCHOOL. How is that a bad thing?

Jesus these threads man..

Good luck to Cruncher. I thought he was pretty manner, especially at MLG trying to shake Idras hand. For the record I'm an Idra fan also, I just hate retards.

gl Cruncher!


In hindsight i should have just QFT this comment and said GL to CrunCher lol


It had to be said. Its mind blowing the legnths that some people will go in an attempt to justify an argument that is at best, fucking moronic. Idra is a great player, that doesn't mean these morons have to act like a retard 'defending' him against people who beat him in the past.

Sorry I'm raging pretty hard right now.

I agree. It needed to be said, its not just Idra fan boys but they're probably the worst (I take that with a pinch of salt, because there are more of them, so of course there are going to be more retards).

I wasn't the biggest Cruncher fan because I thought the style he used in the TSL was really boring, but to criticise him for using a style that worked makes my head hurt. Frankly I think every zerg is more boring to watch then July, but I don't criticise them for choosing to play the style that wins them games.
Pylons
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada54 Posts
October 04 2011 20:25 GMT
#259
I dont like how everyone is/was mean to Cruncher, his playstyle was completely fine. RIP
SeLpHy
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany73 Posts
October 04 2011 20:25 GMT
#260
Sometimes you just need to set priority in life. Good decision by Cruncher I can completely understand. Best luck!
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
October 04 2011 20:25 GMT
#261
On October 05 2011 05:25 mrpylons wrote:
I dont like how everyone is/was mean to Cruncher, his playstyle was completely fine. RIP

Uh, hes not dead or anything.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
October 04 2011 20:27 GMT
#262
Best of luck to Cruncher!

After being such a great player, some time for school might not be such a bad idea.
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
AutomatonOmega
Profile Joined February 2011
United States706 Posts
October 04 2011 20:32 GMT
#263
On October 05 2011 04:22 Trowa127 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 04:14 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:16 AnalThermometer wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:06 AutomatonOmega wrote:
The whole thing comes down to Cruncher having relied on playing abusively and turtling up on 3 bases in a sim city while waiting for 3/3/3 200/200 and steamrolling. If he'd explored the game and put in the work to be legitimately good like Hasu he'd still be in the scene and still thriving.

He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result.


Out of interest, could one of the Idra's fans explain to me what ISN'T classified as abusive play or relying on a bag of tricks? It seems if Cruncher 4gates, 6 gates, builds a Void Ray etc. that's abusive play which won't last long. Yet at the same time if you play extremely safe and turtle while building up your army that's also labelled as abusive play and some kind of trick. I AM CONFUSE.


Leaning heavily on turtling with force fields and colossi and/or blink IMO. Abusing overpowered synergies without exploring other options and developing a playstyle around them that has difficulty competing when not allowed to adhere to that one, narrow strategy. Many protoss use these tactics, but most (again, like Hasu, sorry if it seems like I'm on his sack or something) that are actually skilled at the game employ them in an otherwise well-rounded repertoire that includes many other builds and strategies and doesn't fall apart in their absence.

The times he didn't do the above that I observed were times where he was pulling rabbits out of hats to 'change it up' with phoenix harass. His mechanics, game sense, and multitasking were never up to the caliber of the likes of Naniwa or Hasuobs, or even Incontrol. This is all something he had the power to change himself but didn't out of laziness.

All you really have to do to see the abusive Protoss players is track their performance since 1.3 and 1.4. Many started basically sucking, because they didn't have the skill to modify their approaches. Post-1.3, many in Korea started kinda sucking against zerg just because of the way the patch went to begin with, but it was a downhill decline ever since for the Protoss players that weren't able to play without their bags of tricks.


You are so stupid it hurts. Which other strategies should he have been using, out of interest? You are basically abusing him for using strats that worked, then calling him out on his post 1.3 performance when ALL match ups were showing sub 50% win rates for Protoss players, even Koreans. I don't see you telling Idra to stop using muta/ling because you deem it 'abusive' for some abiguous reason only you are aware off. The part about his mechanics and him being 'lazy' are the best - how do you even know this? Hes taken games off exceptional players with very solid play! Hes quitting sc2 to go to SCHOOL. SCHOOL. How is that a bad thing?

Jesus these threads man..

Good luck to Cruncher. I thought he was pretty manner, especially at MLG trying to shake Idras hand. For the record I'm an Idra fan also, I just hate retards.

gl Cruncher!


You hanging off of Cruncher's nuts is a great indication of my intellectual capacity, thx.

Look at other Protoss that don't have to turtle for the first 10-15 minutes of a game to get wins off of competent players. I'm biased against people that aren't entertaining to spectate. Listen to the State of the Game guys talk about Cruncher's play being boring and unimaginative, then come back and justify your point of view. Regardless of your feelings as to Cruncher's relative skill vs the rest of the field, you can't say the fucker's exciting to watch and not come across as a forced apologetic.

Also he's only going back to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he can't make it as a pro gamer. Since we're on the subject of Idra, you don't see him going to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he doesn't fucking have to. He was contemplating pursuing an engineering degree or something when he went pro the first time.
blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
October 04 2011 20:33 GMT
#264
On October 05 2011 05:21 Eufouria wrote:
I wasn't the biggest Cruncher fan because I thought the style he used in the TSL was really boring, but to criticise him for using a style that worked makes my head hurt. Frankly I think every zerg is more boring to watch then July, but I don't criticise them for choosing to play the style that wins them games.

You have to admit though that idras prediction of Cruncher became true. The "abusive" style people criticized Cruncher for gets bad -> Cruncher gets bad -> Cruncher quits. So yes, it's stupid to criticize him for using a style that won him games, but you can criticize him for not being able to win games once that style stopped working so well. (But frankly, I don't give a shit. But idra-fanboyism-hate is not better than idra-fanboyism.)
josemb40
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Peru611 Posts
October 04 2011 20:51 GMT
#265
aw that suxs, gl to him
wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
October 04 2011 20:56 GMT
#266
On October 05 2011 05:33 blackone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 05:21 Eufouria wrote:
I wasn't the biggest Cruncher fan because I thought the style he used in the TSL was really boring, but to criticise him for using a style that worked makes my head hurt. Frankly I think every zerg is more boring to watch then July, but I don't criticise them for choosing to play the style that wins them games.

You have to admit though that idras prediction of Cruncher became true. The "abusive" style people criticized Cruncher for gets bad -> Cruncher gets bad -> Cruncher quits. So yes, it's stupid to criticize him for using a style that won him games, but you can criticize him for not being able to win games once that style stopped working so well. (But frankly, I don't give a shit. But idra-fanboyism-hate is not better than idra-fanboyism.)

Cruncher is relatively just as good now as he was then. Beating Idra doesn't make someone instantly amazing.
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 21:03:32
October 04 2011 20:59 GMT
#267
On October 05 2011 05:32 AutomatonOmega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 04:22 Trowa127 wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:14 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:16 AnalThermometer wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:06 AutomatonOmega wrote:
The whole thing comes down to Cruncher having relied on playing abusively and turtling up on 3 bases in a sim city while waiting for 3/3/3 200/200 and steamrolling. If he'd explored the game and put in the work to be legitimately good like Hasu he'd still be in the scene and still thriving.

He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result.


Out of interest, could one of the Idra's fans explain to me what ISN'T classified as abusive play or relying on a bag of tricks? It seems if Cruncher 4gates, 6 gates, builds a Void Ray etc. that's abusive play which won't last long. Yet at the same time if you play extremely safe and turtle while building up your army that's also labelled as abusive play and some kind of trick. I AM CONFUSE.


Leaning heavily on turtling with force fields and colossi and/or blink IMO. Abusing overpowered synergies without exploring other options and developing a playstyle around them that has difficulty competing when not allowed to adhere to that one, narrow strategy. Many protoss use these tactics, but most (again, like Hasu, sorry if it seems like I'm on his sack or something) that are actually skilled at the game employ them in an otherwise well-rounded repertoire that includes many other builds and strategies and doesn't fall apart in their absence.

The times he didn't do the above that I observed were times where he was pulling rabbits out of hats to 'change it up' with phoenix harass. His mechanics, game sense, and multitasking were never up to the caliber of the likes of Naniwa or Hasuobs, or even Incontrol. This is all something he had the power to change himself but didn't out of laziness.

All you really have to do to see the abusive Protoss players is track their performance since 1.3 and 1.4. Many started basically sucking, because they didn't have the skill to modify their approaches. Post-1.3, many in Korea started kinda sucking against zerg just because of the way the patch went to begin with, but it was a downhill decline ever since for the Protoss players that weren't able to play without their bags of tricks.


You are so stupid it hurts. Which other strategies should he have been using, out of interest? You are basically abusing him for using strats that worked, then calling him out on his post 1.3 performance when ALL match ups were showing sub 50% win rates for Protoss players, even Koreans. I don't see you telling Idra to stop using muta/ling because you deem it 'abusive' for some abiguous reason only you are aware off. The part about his mechanics and him being 'lazy' are the best - how do you even know this? Hes taken games off exceptional players with very solid play! Hes quitting sc2 to go to SCHOOL. SCHOOL. How is that a bad thing?

Jesus these threads man..

Good luck to Cruncher. I thought he was pretty manner, especially at MLG trying to shake Idras hand. For the record I'm an Idra fan also, I just hate retards.

gl Cruncher!


You hanging off of Cruncher's nuts is a great indication of my intellectual capacity, thx.

Look at other Protoss that don't have to turtle for the first 10-15 minutes of a game to get wins off of competent players. I'm biased against people that aren't entertaining to spectate. Listen to the State of the Game guys talk about Cruncher's play being boring and unimaginative, then come back and justify your point of view. Regardless of your feelings as to Cruncher's relative skill vs the rest of the field, you can't say the fucker's exciting to watch and not come across as a forced apologetic.

Also he's only going back to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he can't make it as a pro gamer. Since we're on the subject of Idra, you don't see him going to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he doesn't fucking have to. He was contemplating pursuing an engineering degree or something when he went pro the first time.


How the fuck do you know why he went back to school? You don't know him, I don't know him, its pure speculation. Maybe he went back to school because its a much safer career path and he wanted some security? And we weren't actually on the subject of Idra, you just seem to be randomly bringing him up to justify your own stupidity.

I'm not even hanging off his nuts. Hes a mid tier protoss player, he beat some good players, hes boring but his style works. Macro Zerg games are often just as boring but they work, that is all thats important. I don't need to listen to Incontrol and Tyler to formulate my own opinion of a semi-succesful player. You are just bashing him for no reason, and looking like a retard in the process, claiming that hes quitting because his style no longer works, when if you look at his TLPD his most recent opponents have been stupidly high level (Boxer, Demuslim, Hero, Puma, Rain, Mana) and you are criticising him for losing to some of the best players in sc2? Stop trolling threads because you think you're smart.

Again, gl Cruncher. You accomplished a lot with some notable wins, and no doubt had some good experiences to take into later life. Gl with your studies.
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RusHXceL
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1004 Posts
October 04 2011 21:00 GMT
#268
Nasl and Chrucher???
AutomatonOmega
Profile Joined February 2011
United States706 Posts
October 04 2011 21:08 GMT
#269
On October 05 2011 05:59 Trowa127 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 05:32 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:22 Trowa127 wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:14 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:16 AnalThermometer wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:06 AutomatonOmega wrote:
The whole thing comes down to Cruncher having relied on playing abusively and turtling up on 3 bases in a sim city while waiting for 3/3/3 200/200 and steamrolling. If he'd explored the game and put in the work to be legitimately good like Hasu he'd still be in the scene and still thriving.

He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result.


Out of interest, could one of the Idra's fans explain to me what ISN'T classified as abusive play or relying on a bag of tricks? It seems if Cruncher 4gates, 6 gates, builds a Void Ray etc. that's abusive play which won't last long. Yet at the same time if you play extremely safe and turtle while building up your army that's also labelled as abusive play and some kind of trick. I AM CONFUSE.


Leaning heavily on turtling with force fields and colossi and/or blink IMO. Abusing overpowered synergies without exploring other options and developing a playstyle around them that has difficulty competing when not allowed to adhere to that one, narrow strategy. Many protoss use these tactics, but most (again, like Hasu, sorry if it seems like I'm on his sack or something) that are actually skilled at the game employ them in an otherwise well-rounded repertoire that includes many other builds and strategies and doesn't fall apart in their absence.

The times he didn't do the above that I observed were times where he was pulling rabbits out of hats to 'change it up' with phoenix harass. His mechanics, game sense, and multitasking were never up to the caliber of the likes of Naniwa or Hasuobs, or even Incontrol. This is all something he had the power to change himself but didn't out of laziness.

All you really have to do to see the abusive Protoss players is track their performance since 1.3 and 1.4. Many started basically sucking, because they didn't have the skill to modify their approaches. Post-1.3, many in Korea started kinda sucking against zerg just because of the way the patch went to begin with, but it was a downhill decline ever since for the Protoss players that weren't able to play without their bags of tricks.


You are so stupid it hurts. Which other strategies should he have been using, out of interest? You are basically abusing him for using strats that worked, then calling him out on his post 1.3 performance when ALL match ups were showing sub 50% win rates for Protoss players, even Koreans. I don't see you telling Idra to stop using muta/ling because you deem it 'abusive' for some abiguous reason only you are aware off. The part about his mechanics and him being 'lazy' are the best - how do you even know this? Hes taken games off exceptional players with very solid play! Hes quitting sc2 to go to SCHOOL. SCHOOL. How is that a bad thing?

Jesus these threads man..

Good luck to Cruncher. I thought he was pretty manner, especially at MLG trying to shake Idras hand. For the record I'm an Idra fan also, I just hate retards.

gl Cruncher!


You hanging off of Cruncher's nuts is a great indication of my intellectual capacity, thx.

Look at other Protoss that don't have to turtle for the first 10-15 minutes of a game to get wins off of competent players. I'm biased against people that aren't entertaining to spectate. Listen to the State of the Game guys talk about Cruncher's play being boring and unimaginative, then come back and justify your point of view. Regardless of your feelings as to Cruncher's relative skill vs the rest of the field, you can't say the fucker's exciting to watch and not come across as a forced apologetic.

Also he's only going back to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he can't make it as a pro gamer. Since we're on the subject of Idra, you don't see him going to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he doesn't fucking have to. He was contemplating pursuing an engineering degree or something when he went pro the first time.


How the fuck do you know why he went back to school? You don't know him, I don't know him, its pure speculation. Maybe he went back to school because its a much safer career path and he wanted some security? And we weren't actually on the subject of Idra, you just seem to be randomly bringing him up to justify your own stupidity.

I'm not even hanging off his nuts. Hes a mid tier protoss player, he beat some good players, hes boring but his style works. Macro Zerg games are often just as boring but they work, that is all thats important. I don't need to listen to Incontrol and Tyler to formulate my own opinion of a semi-succesful player. You are just bashing him for no reason, and looking like a retard in the process. Stop trolling threads because you think you're smart.

Again, gl Cruncher. You accomplished a lot with some notable wins, and no doubt had some good experiences to take into later life. Gl with your studies.


Here in the United States, going back to college isn't necessarily a safer career path considering the current state of the economy. Cruncher already had a job capable of paying post-collegiate salary, assuming he was capable of being competitive.

Just returning to school by itself doesn't guarantee a position upon graduation, many of the more lucrative fields are fusterclucked with candidates specifically because of the state of the US economy and its affect on the job market. By leaving the pro gaming scene, Cruncher might've relegated himself to a blue-collar existence with a degree that means virtually nothing if he lacks the connections to land a job immediately upon graduating.

However, had he stayed a pro gamer, he was already on an excellent team and had he grown and developed as a player after the nerfs, he would've continued to turn heads. But I doubt he had what it takes to do that. His team had also acquired Naniwa, so the likelihood of Cruncher continuing to represent on any respectable level without changing races was low to nil.

And why the fuck do your arguments always have to go back to me being stupid? Express your opinions without personal attacks or eat a dick.

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IShowUMagic
Profile Joined August 2010
United States104 Posts
October 04 2011 21:13 GMT
#270
Idra's prediction, as obvious as it was, is spot on. I don't even know why we give cruncher the honor of calling what he did a style, because it definitely had no style. It was crude, weak and I'm glad he's gone just so there's a little bit more room to spotlight players who are actually trying hard (with their brains) to make it to the top.
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
October 04 2011 21:14 GMT
#271
On October 05 2011 06:08 AutomatonOmega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 05:59 Trowa127 wrote:
On October 05 2011 05:32 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:22 Trowa127 wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:14 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:16 AnalThermometer wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:06 AutomatonOmega wrote:
The whole thing comes down to Cruncher having relied on playing abusively and turtling up on 3 bases in a sim city while waiting for 3/3/3 200/200 and steamrolling. If he'd explored the game and put in the work to be legitimately good like Hasu he'd still be in the scene and still thriving.

He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result.


Out of interest, could one of the Idra's fans explain to me what ISN'T classified as abusive play or relying on a bag of tricks? It seems if Cruncher 4gates, 6 gates, builds a Void Ray etc. that's abusive play which won't last long. Yet at the same time if you play extremely safe and turtle while building up your army that's also labelled as abusive play and some kind of trick. I AM CONFUSE.


Leaning heavily on turtling with force fields and colossi and/or blink IMO. Abusing overpowered synergies without exploring other options and developing a playstyle around them that has difficulty competing when not allowed to adhere to that one, narrow strategy. Many protoss use these tactics, but most (again, like Hasu, sorry if it seems like I'm on his sack or something) that are actually skilled at the game employ them in an otherwise well-rounded repertoire that includes many other builds and strategies and doesn't fall apart in their absence.

The times he didn't do the above that I observed were times where he was pulling rabbits out of hats to 'change it up' with phoenix harass. His mechanics, game sense, and multitasking were never up to the caliber of the likes of Naniwa or Hasuobs, or even Incontrol. This is all something he had the power to change himself but didn't out of laziness.

All you really have to do to see the abusive Protoss players is track their performance since 1.3 and 1.4. Many started basically sucking, because they didn't have the skill to modify their approaches. Post-1.3, many in Korea started kinda sucking against zerg just because of the way the patch went to begin with, but it was a downhill decline ever since for the Protoss players that weren't able to play without their bags of tricks.


You are so stupid it hurts. Which other strategies should he have been using, out of interest? You are basically abusing him for using strats that worked, then calling him out on his post 1.3 performance when ALL match ups were showing sub 50% win rates for Protoss players, even Koreans. I don't see you telling Idra to stop using muta/ling because you deem it 'abusive' for some abiguous reason only you are aware off. The part about his mechanics and him being 'lazy' are the best - how do you even know this? Hes taken games off exceptional players with very solid play! Hes quitting sc2 to go to SCHOOL. SCHOOL. How is that a bad thing?

Jesus these threads man..

Good luck to Cruncher. I thought he was pretty manner, especially at MLG trying to shake Idras hand. For the record I'm an Idra fan also, I just hate retards.

gl Cruncher!


You hanging off of Cruncher's nuts is a great indication of my intellectual capacity, thx.

Look at other Protoss that don't have to turtle for the first 10-15 minutes of a game to get wins off of competent players. I'm biased against people that aren't entertaining to spectate. Listen to the State of the Game guys talk about Cruncher's play being boring and unimaginative, then come back and justify your point of view. Regardless of your feelings as to Cruncher's relative skill vs the rest of the field, you can't say the fucker's exciting to watch and not come across as a forced apologetic.

Also he's only going back to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he can't make it as a pro gamer. Since we're on the subject of Idra, you don't see him going to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he doesn't fucking have to. He was contemplating pursuing an engineering degree or something when he went pro the first time.


How the fuck do you know why he went back to school? You don't know him, I don't know him, its pure speculation. Maybe he went back to school because its a much safer career path and he wanted some security? And we weren't actually on the subject of Idra, you just seem to be randomly bringing him up to justify your own stupidity.

I'm not even hanging off his nuts. Hes a mid tier protoss player, he beat some good players, hes boring but his style works. Macro Zerg games are often just as boring but they work, that is all thats important. I don't need to listen to Incontrol and Tyler to formulate my own opinion of a semi-succesful player. You are just bashing him for no reason, and looking like a retard in the process. Stop trolling threads because you think you're smart.

Again, gl Cruncher. You accomplished a lot with some notable wins, and no doubt had some good experiences to take into later life. Gl with your studies.


Here in the United States, going back to college isn't necessarily a safer career path considering the current state of the economy. Cruncher already had a job capable of paying post-collegiate salary, assuming he was capable of being competitive.

Just returning to school by itself doesn't guarantee a position upon graduation, many of the more lucrative fields are fusterclucked with candidates specifically because of the state of the US economy and its affect on the job market. By leaving the pro gaming scene, Cruncher might've relegated himself to a blue-collar existence with a degree that means virtually nothing if he lacks the connections to land a job immediately upon graduating.

However, had he stayed a pro gamer, he was already on an excellent team and had he grown and developed as a player after the nerfs, he would've continued to turn heads. But I doubt he had what it takes to do that. His team had also acquired Naniwa, so the likelihood of Cruncher continuing to represent on any respectable level without changing races was low to nil.

And why the fuck do your arguments always have to go back to me being stupid? Express your opinions without personal attacks or eat a dick.


Again, 'might've,' 'isn't neccessarily,' you are just dealing in speculation, you have NO idea as to his personal circumstances so you can't even begin to try and insinuate him leaving pro-gaming to go back into education is because hes 'fallen off.'

And the reason I call you stupid is because you are obviously only here to troll, the guys going onto do something he wants, why can't people just be supportive?
Bling, MC, Snute, HwangSin, Deranging (<3) fan. 'Full name - ESP ORTS' Vote hotbid. Vote ESPORTS.
Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 21:16:58
October 04 2011 21:16 GMT
#272
The fact that there are people here arguing that going to college is a financially stupid move compared to trying to make a living in progaming blows my mind.
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
ilikeLIONZ
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany427 Posts
October 04 2011 21:18 GMT
#273
On October 05 2011 05:33 blackone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 05:21 Eufouria wrote:
I wasn't the biggest Cruncher fan because I thought the style he used in the TSL was really boring, but to criticise him for using a style that worked makes my head hurt. Frankly I think every zerg is more boring to watch then July, but I don't criticise them for choosing to play the style that wins them games.

You have to admit though that idras prediction of Cruncher became true. The "abusive" style people criticized Cruncher for gets bad -> Cruncher gets bad -> Cruncher quits. So yes, it's stupid to criticize him for using a style that won him games, but you can criticize him for not being able to win games once that style stopped working so well. (But frankly, I don't give a shit. But idra-fanboyism-hate is not better than idra-fanboyism.)

he had successful runs at MLG after the style he showcased in TSL stopped working, so i dont have an idea what you are talking about. ppl like you won't accept that he is still a good player, coz they want idra's prediction to come true just to ride idra's dick even harder.

idra's prediction never came true, cruncher is still that "average" guy who is not at the very top of the playerlist but he's doing well/alright when he participates in tournaments. apparently it was enough to beat idra in a BO3 and to get into pool play everytime he attended a MLG from the open bracket.
sorry to disappoint you!

windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
October 04 2011 21:22 GMT
#274
Shit man, how much money do people think progamers earn?Especially not stars.

I guess we need to bump that rekrul thread again.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
AutomatonOmega
Profile Joined February 2011
United States706 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 21:24:04
October 04 2011 21:22 GMT
#275
Trowa127: Your powers of deductive reasoning leave much to be desired. Hypothetical situation: Let's pretend you go pro. You do really well, and continue to do well. You have genuine skill.

Now you leave to go to college.

Riiiiiight. One doesn't make such a lifestyle-altering choice without there being extenuating circumstances helping the choice along.

If everything in Cruncher's pro career was going swimmingly, he would've done what every other actually skilled and talented pro is doing and save up their salary to go to school when the money dries up. But he's not doing that now, is he?

I think you have a crush on me. Looking through your post history, I see no evidence of you being anything but a really supportive person to pretty much everyone but myself. But we've only just met!

Why you've picked me to be the object of your crusade is confusing considering there's a lot of other people being way more trollish than I am even in this very thread. Is it because I'm American? I don't see you laying into the Spanish fellow there further up the thread who's basically saying the exact thing I am.
fortheGG
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1002 Posts
October 04 2011 21:23 GMT
#276
Happy for him, at some point everyone has to make a choice and I hope this is the right one for him.


You hanging off of Cruncher's nuts is a great indication of my intellectual capacity, thx.



Your need to resort to personal attacks is a great indication of your intellectual capacity.
AutomatonOmega
Profile Joined February 2011
United States706 Posts
October 04 2011 21:24 GMT
#277
On October 05 2011 06:23 fortheGG wrote:
Happy for him, at some point everyone has to make a choice and I hope this is the right one for him.


Show nested quote +
You hanging off of Cruncher's nuts is a great indication of my intellectual capacity, thx.



Your need to resort to personal attacks is a great indication of your intellectual capacity.


Did you even read the post that was quoting? I didn't start the personal attacks, ass.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
October 04 2011 21:29 GMT
#278
good luck to cruncher in his future endeavors. whether he liked it or not, he was stuck in the middle of an ongoing controversy because he beat idra, and received ill treatment that was disproportionate to his actions in my opinion.

Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
October 04 2011 21:29 GMT
#279
On October 05 2011 06:24 AutomatonOmega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 06:23 fortheGG wrote:
Happy for him, at some point everyone has to make a choice and I hope this is the right one for him.


You hanging off of Cruncher's nuts is a great indication of my intellectual capacity, thx.



Your need to resort to personal attacks is a great indication of your intellectual capacity.


Did you even read the post that was quoting? I didn't start the personal attacks, ass.

lol at the irony here
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
October 04 2011 21:31 GMT
#280
Awww that kinda sux, Cruncher was pretty damn good too. Anyway awesome for him for going to college.
Nerf MMMT!!! Liquid`Ret Hwaiting!!!
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
October 04 2011 21:31 GMT
#281
On October 05 2011 05:32 AutomatonOmega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 04:22 Trowa127 wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:14 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:16 AnalThermometer wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:06 AutomatonOmega wrote:
The whole thing comes down to Cruncher having relied on playing abusively and turtling up on 3 bases in a sim city while waiting for 3/3/3 200/200 and steamrolling. If he'd explored the game and put in the work to be legitimately good like Hasu he'd still be in the scene and still thriving.

He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result.


Out of interest, could one of the Idra's fans explain to me what ISN'T classified as abusive play or relying on a bag of tricks? It seems if Cruncher 4gates, 6 gates, builds a Void Ray etc. that's abusive play which won't last long. Yet at the same time if you play extremely safe and turtle while building up your army that's also labelled as abusive play and some kind of trick. I AM CONFUSE.


Leaning heavily on turtling with force fields and colossi and/or blink IMO. Abusing overpowered synergies without exploring other options and developing a playstyle around them that has difficulty competing when not allowed to adhere to that one, narrow strategy. Many protoss use these tactics, but most (again, like Hasu, sorry if it seems like I'm on his sack or something) that are actually skilled at the game employ them in an otherwise well-rounded repertoire that includes many other builds and strategies and doesn't fall apart in their absence.

The times he didn't do the above that I observed were times where he was pulling rabbits out of hats to 'change it up' with phoenix harass. His mechanics, game sense, and multitasking were never up to the caliber of the likes of Naniwa or Hasuobs, or even Incontrol. This is all something he had the power to change himself but didn't out of laziness.

All you really have to do to see the abusive Protoss players is track their performance since 1.3 and 1.4. Many started basically sucking, because they didn't have the skill to modify their approaches. Post-1.3, many in Korea started kinda sucking against zerg just because of the way the patch went to begin with, but it was a downhill decline ever since for the Protoss players that weren't able to play without their bags of tricks.


You are so stupid it hurts. Which other strategies should he have been using, out of interest? You are basically abusing him for using strats that worked, then calling him out on his post 1.3 performance when ALL match ups were showing sub 50% win rates for Protoss players, even Koreans. I don't see you telling Idra to stop using muta/ling because you deem it 'abusive' for some abiguous reason only you are aware off. The part about his mechanics and him being 'lazy' are the best - how do you even know this? Hes taken games off exceptional players with very solid play! Hes quitting sc2 to go to SCHOOL. SCHOOL. How is that a bad thing?

Jesus these threads man..

Good luck to Cruncher. I thought he was pretty manner, especially at MLG trying to shake Idras hand. For the record I'm an Idra fan also, I just hate retards.

gl Cruncher!


You hanging off of Cruncher's nuts is a great indication of my intellectual capacity, thx.

Look at other Protoss that don't have to turtle for the first 10-15 minutes of a game to get wins off of competent players. I'm biased against people that aren't entertaining to spectate. Listen to the State of the Game guys talk about Cruncher's play being boring and unimaginative, then come back and justify your point of view. Regardless of your feelings as to Cruncher's relative skill vs the rest of the field, you can't say the fucker's exciting to watch and not come across as a forced apologetic.

Also he's only going back to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he can't make it as a pro gamer. Since we're on the subject of Idra, you don't see him going to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he doesn't fucking have to. He was contemplating pursuing an engineering degree or something when he went pro the first time.

You need to stop sucking IdrA's dick and let others do what they want. Protoss turtle or not, just like Zerg playing cheesy or turtle as well. Everyone has different opinion. THey play how the fuck they want. They do what the fuck they want for their future.
Yes the economy is shitty. But studying for the better future is not the bad thing. You can't play SC until you're 65 years old and retire. So study is a lil break or wiser decision.

Again, he has better result than most of progamers even in EG or other team. So how the hell do you know he can't make it as a progamer?

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xbankx
Profile Joined July 2010
703 Posts
October 04 2011 21:32 GMT
#282
On October 05 2011 06:16 Emporio wrote:
The fact that there are people here arguing that going to college is a financially stupid move compared to trying to make a living in progaming blows my mind.


Idra fans got to somehow make it so that cruncher is leaving only progaming to go onto a worse path in life....
danson
Profile Joined April 2010
United States689 Posts
October 04 2011 21:32 GMT
#283
whoa this thread took a nose dive REAL quick
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 21:43:30
October 04 2011 21:37 GMT
#284
Edit: Never mind.
wichenks
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada153 Posts
October 04 2011 21:39 GMT
#285
On October 05 2011 06:32 danson wrote:
whoa this thread took a nose dive REAL quick


Very true, was meant as a GL to cruncher, not a subtle slap in the face to him. Doesn't really matter what you think of his playstyle, he was a manner guy for the most part and didn't deserve most of the flak he got
Sometimes Artosis and I like to have Hot 6ix with each other - Tasteless
RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
October 04 2011 21:39 GMT
#286
i miss my crunchbear : (
I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. | coL.Ryan | www.twitter.com/coL_RyanR
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5588 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 21:56:57
October 04 2011 21:40 GMT
#287
Good luck in school Cruncher!



Its sad that he is going though. I liked him as a player and as a person.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 22:43:46
October 04 2011 21:50 GMT
#288
On October 05 2011 06:08 AutomatonOmega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 05:59 Trowa127 wrote:
On October 05 2011 05:32 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:22 Trowa127 wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:14 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:16 AnalThermometer wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:06 AutomatonOmega wrote:
The whole thing comes down to Cruncher having relied on playing abusively and turtling up on 3 bases in a sim city while waiting for 3/3/3 200/200 and steamrolling. If he'd explored the game and put in the work to be legitimately good like Hasu he'd still be in the scene and still thriving.

He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result.


Out of interest, could one of the Idra's fans explain to me what ISN'T classified as abusive play or relying on a bag of tricks? It seems if Cruncher 4gates, 6 gates, builds a Void Ray etc. that's abusive play which won't last long. Yet at the same time if you play extremely safe and turtle while building up your army that's also labelled as abusive play and some kind of trick. I AM CONFUSE.


Leaning heavily on turtling with force fields and colossi and/or blink IMO. Abusing overpowered synergies without exploring other options and developing a playstyle around them that has difficulty competing when not allowed to adhere to that one, narrow strategy. Many protoss use these tactics, but most (again, like Hasu, sorry if it seems like I'm on his sack or something) that are actually skilled at the game employ them in an otherwise well-rounded repertoire that includes many other builds and strategies and doesn't fall apart in their absence.

The times he didn't do the above that I observed were times where he was pulling rabbits out of hats to 'change it up' with phoenix harass. His mechanics, game sense, and multitasking were never up to the caliber of the likes of Naniwa or Hasuobs, or even Incontrol. This is all something he had the power to change himself but didn't out of laziness.

All you really have to do to see the abusive Protoss players is track their performance since 1.3 and 1.4. Many started basically sucking, because they didn't have the skill to modify their approaches. Post-1.3, many in Korea started kinda sucking against zerg just because of the way the patch went to begin with, but it was a downhill decline ever since for the Protoss players that weren't able to play without their bags of tricks.


You are so stupid it hurts. Which other strategies should he have been using, out of interest? You are basically abusing him for using strats that worked, then calling him out on his post 1.3 performance when ALL match ups were showing sub 50% win rates for Protoss players, even Koreans. I don't see you telling Idra to stop using muta/ling because you deem it 'abusive' for some abiguous reason only you are aware off. The part about his mechanics and him being 'lazy' are the best - how do you even know this? Hes taken games off exceptional players with very solid play! Hes quitting sc2 to go to SCHOOL. SCHOOL. How is that a bad thing?

Jesus these threads man..

Good luck to Cruncher. I thought he was pretty manner, especially at MLG trying to shake Idras hand. For the record I'm an Idra fan also, I just hate retards.

gl Cruncher!


You hanging off of Cruncher's nuts is a great indication of my intellectual capacity, thx.

Look at other Protoss that don't have to turtle for the first 10-15 minutes of a game to get wins off of competent players. I'm biased against people that aren't entertaining to spectate. Listen to the State of the Game guys talk about Cruncher's play being boring and unimaginative, then come back and justify your point of view. Regardless of your feelings as to Cruncher's relative skill vs the rest of the field, you can't say the fucker's exciting to watch and not come across as a forced apologetic.

Also he's only going back to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he can't make it as a pro gamer. Since we're on the subject of Idra, you don't see him going to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he doesn't fucking have to. He was contemplating pursuing an engineering degree or something when he went pro the first time.


How the fuck do you know why he went back to school? You don't know him, I don't know him, its pure speculation. Maybe he went back to school because its a much safer career path and he wanted some security? And we weren't actually on the subject of Idra, you just seem to be randomly bringing him up to justify your own stupidity.

I'm not even hanging off his nuts. Hes a mid tier protoss player, he beat some good players, hes boring but his style works. Macro Zerg games are often just as boring but they work, that is all thats important. I don't need to listen to Incontrol and Tyler to formulate my own opinion of a semi-succesful player. You are just bashing him for no reason, and looking like a retard in the process. Stop trolling threads because you think you're smart.

Again, gl Cruncher. You accomplished a lot with some notable wins, and no doubt had some good experiences to take into later life. Gl with your studies.


Here in the United States, going back to college isn't necessarily a safer career path considering the current state of the economy. Cruncher already had a job capable of paying post-collegiate salary, assuming he was capable of being competitive.

Just returning to school by itself doesn't guarantee a position upon graduation, many of the more lucrative fields are fusterclucked with candidates specifically because of the state of the US economy and its affect on the job market. By leaving the pro gaming scene, Cruncher might've relegated himself to a blue-collar existence with a degree that means virtually nothing if he lacks the connections to land a job immediately upon graduating.

However, had he stayed a pro gamer, he was already on an excellent team and had he grown and developed as a player after the nerfs, he would've continued to turn heads. But I doubt he had what it takes to do that. His team had also acquired Naniwa, so the likelihood of Cruncher continuing to represent on any respectable level without changing races was low to nil.

And why the fuck do your arguments always have to go back to me being stupid? Express your opinions without personal attacks or eat a dick.



Nobody cares about your subjective opinions and misguided statements on career choices. I'm doing my higher education in America right now, and I can sure as hell say, as long as you are not doing your education in a lower rung college, and not just trying to scrape through with just a pass grade, college education gives you an excellent foundation to launch your career. Also unless your aim in life is to flip a burger in McDonalds or to just make money to survive, college education helps you immensely in achieving your goals (especially career related ones). If not for the education, just the networking opportunities that you get in college are priceless, and the entire experience is worth every single penny you pay. Look at the census info from US government Bureau of Labor Statistics. (scroll down to the table 5 and look at median value for Males over 25 with a college degree and compare it with those without)

Click

The first prize for winning an MLG is 5000 $. And more often than not a Korean is going to win it. Most graduates from my college make more money than that along with additional benefits. Hell, with all due respect to IdrA, I'm pretty sure I'm going to be making more money than him per year (on average over a period of 10 years), when I graduate. E-sports is fine if your entire passion in life lies with it. But if your goal is to make money and do other things, then you're better off with college education and alternate career paths instead of betting your life on a video game whose balance and longevity lies in the hands of a third person or entity (in this case, Blizzard).
Envy fan since NTH.
MrNastyTime
Profile Joined May 2011
United States45 Posts
October 04 2011 22:25 GMT
#289
a plash lmao!!!!!! all he did was win beat idra on tsl 3 thats about it xD
big pimpin
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
October 04 2011 22:32 GMT
#290
On October 05 2011 06:24 AutomatonOmega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 06:23 fortheGG wrote:
Happy for him, at some point everyone has to make a choice and I hope this is the right one for him.


You hanging off of Cruncher's nuts is a great indication of my intellectual capacity, thx.



Your need to resort to personal attacks is a great indication of your intellectual capacity.


Did you even read the post that was quoting? I didn't start the personal attacks, ass.

yes you did.

also cruncher was just as good as he was before, even after he stopped playing as 'abusive' (he still was kinda turtlish but not as bad as before)

he made it into the championship bracket of MLG every time he attended. thats fucking good.
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SySLeif
Profile Joined July 2011
United States123 Posts
October 04 2011 22:34 GMT
#291
On October 05 2011 03:54 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 03:40 SySLeif wrote:
It happens, I'm glad he's making sure he is getting the most out of school though. You can't play SC2 for the rest of your life.


Yeah and its pretty impressive what he's done so far while being in school. His entire career up to this point has been while being a full-time student. He's probably just getting into the higher level, more difficult classes which take considerably more time. People seem to forget he was never the kind of person who put his whole life into SC2 or something. It was a hobby for him. Just because he made it as far and farther in tournaments than full-time pros, doesn't mean he was a full-time pro


Agreed it is very impressive. He has a good natural grasp for it, and I think only a certain personality of people do.
parkin
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
1079 Posts
October 04 2011 22:42 GMT
#292
Be cool, stay in school!

gg hf Cruncher!
mostly harmless
Minitron
Profile Joined September 2011
Scotland37 Posts
October 04 2011 22:51 GMT
#293
Yep. Ahh Time for him to spread his wings, leave the community for something better.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
October 04 2011 22:53 GMT
#294
On October 05 2011 06:50 Piledriver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 06:08 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 05 2011 05:59 Trowa127 wrote:
On October 05 2011 05:32 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:22 Trowa127 wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:14 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:16 AnalThermometer wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:06 AutomatonOmega wrote:
The whole thing comes down to Cruncher having relied on playing abusively and turtling up on 3 bases in a sim city while waiting for 3/3/3 200/200 and steamrolling. If he'd explored the game and put in the work to be legitimately good like Hasu he'd still be in the scene and still thriving.

He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result.


Out of interest, could one of the Idra's fans explain to me what ISN'T classified as abusive play or relying on a bag of tricks? It seems if Cruncher 4gates, 6 gates, builds a Void Ray etc. that's abusive play which won't last long. Yet at the same time if you play extremely safe and turtle while building up your army that's also labelled as abusive play and some kind of trick. I AM CONFUSE.


Leaning heavily on turtling with force fields and colossi and/or blink IMO. Abusing overpowered synergies without exploring other options and developing a playstyle around them that has difficulty competing when not allowed to adhere to that one, narrow strategy. Many protoss use these tactics, but most (again, like Hasu, sorry if it seems like I'm on his sack or something) that are actually skilled at the game employ them in an otherwise well-rounded repertoire that includes many other builds and strategies and doesn't fall apart in their absence.

The times he didn't do the above that I observed were times where he was pulling rabbits out of hats to 'change it up' with phoenix harass. His mechanics, game sense, and multitasking were never up to the caliber of the likes of Naniwa or Hasuobs, or even Incontrol. This is all something he had the power to change himself but didn't out of laziness.

All you really have to do to see the abusive Protoss players is track their performance since 1.3 and 1.4. Many started basically sucking, because they didn't have the skill to modify their approaches. Post-1.3, many in Korea started kinda sucking against zerg just because of the way the patch went to begin with, but it was a downhill decline ever since for the Protoss players that weren't able to play without their bags of tricks.


You are so stupid it hurts. Which other strategies should he have been using, out of interest? You are basically abusing him for using strats that worked, then calling him out on his post 1.3 performance when ALL match ups were showing sub 50% win rates for Protoss players, even Koreans. I don't see you telling Idra to stop using muta/ling because you deem it 'abusive' for some abiguous reason only you are aware off. The part about his mechanics and him being 'lazy' are the best - how do you even know this? Hes taken games off exceptional players with very solid play! Hes quitting sc2 to go to SCHOOL. SCHOOL. How is that a bad thing?

Jesus these threads man..

Good luck to Cruncher. I thought he was pretty manner, especially at MLG trying to shake Idras hand. For the record I'm an Idra fan also, I just hate retards.

gl Cruncher!


You hanging off of Cruncher's nuts is a great indication of my intellectual capacity, thx.

Look at other Protoss that don't have to turtle for the first 10-15 minutes of a game to get wins off of competent players. I'm biased against people that aren't entertaining to spectate. Listen to the State of the Game guys talk about Cruncher's play being boring and unimaginative, then come back and justify your point of view. Regardless of your feelings as to Cruncher's relative skill vs the rest of the field, you can't say the fucker's exciting to watch and not come across as a forced apologetic.

Also he's only going back to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he can't make it as a pro gamer. Since we're on the subject of Idra, you don't see him going to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he doesn't fucking have to. He was contemplating pursuing an engineering degree or something when he went pro the first time.


How the fuck do you know why he went back to school? You don't know him, I don't know him, its pure speculation. Maybe he went back to school because its a much safer career path and he wanted some security? And we weren't actually on the subject of Idra, you just seem to be randomly bringing him up to justify your own stupidity.

I'm not even hanging off his nuts. Hes a mid tier protoss player, he beat some good players, hes boring but his style works. Macro Zerg games are often just as boring but they work, that is all thats important. I don't need to listen to Incontrol and Tyler to formulate my own opinion of a semi-succesful player. You are just bashing him for no reason, and looking like a retard in the process. Stop trolling threads because you think you're smart.

Again, gl Cruncher. You accomplished a lot with some notable wins, and no doubt had some good experiences to take into later life. Gl with your studies.


Here in the United States, going back to college isn't necessarily a safer career path considering the current state of the economy. Cruncher already had a job capable of paying post-collegiate salary, assuming he was capable of being competitive.

Just returning to school by itself doesn't guarantee a position upon graduation, many of the more lucrative fields are fusterclucked with candidates specifically because of the state of the US economy and its affect on the job market. By leaving the pro gaming scene, Cruncher might've relegated himself to a blue-collar existence with a degree that means virtually nothing if he lacks the connections to land a job immediately upon graduating.

However, had he stayed a pro gamer, he was already on an excellent team and had he grown and developed as a player after the nerfs, he would've continued to turn heads. But I doubt he had what it takes to do that. His team had also acquired Naniwa, so the likelihood of Cruncher continuing to represent on any respectable level without changing races was low to nil.

And why the fuck do your arguments always have to go back to me being stupid? Express your opinions without personal attacks or eat a dick.



Nobody cares about your subjective opinions and misguided statements on career choices. I'm doing my higher education in America right now, and I can sure as hell say, as long as you are not doing your education in a lower rung college, and not just trying to scrape through with just a pass grade, college education gives you an excellent foundation to launch your career. Also unless your aim in life is to flip a burger in McDonalds or to just make money to survive, college education helps you immensely in achieving your goals (especially career related ones). If not for the education, just the networking opportunities that you get in college are priceless, and the entire experience is worth every single penny you pay. Look at the census info from US government Bureau of Labor Statistics. (scroll down to the table 5 and look at median value for Males over 25 with a college degree and compare it with those without)

Click

The first prize for winning an MLG is 5000 $. And more often than not a Korean is going to win it. Most graduates from my college make more money than that along with additional benefits. Hell, with all due respect to IdrA, I'm pretty sure I'm going to be making more money than him per year (on average over a period of 10 years), when I graduate. E-sports is fine if your entire passion in life lies with it. But if your goal is to make money and do other things, then you're better off with college education and alternate career paths instead of betting your life on a video game whose balance and longevity lies in the hands of a third person or entity (in this case, Blizzard).


Idra doesn't get paid only on his winnings.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
October 04 2011 23:06 GMT
#295
On October 05 2011 07:53 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 06:50 Piledriver wrote:
On October 05 2011 06:08 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 05 2011 05:59 Trowa127 wrote:
On October 05 2011 05:32 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:22 Trowa127 wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:14 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:16 AnalThermometer wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:06 AutomatonOmega wrote:
The whole thing comes down to Cruncher having relied on playing abusively and turtling up on 3 bases in a sim city while waiting for 3/3/3 200/200 and steamrolling. If he'd explored the game and put in the work to be legitimately good like Hasu he'd still be in the scene and still thriving.

He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result.


Out of interest, could one of the Idra's fans explain to me what ISN'T classified as abusive play or relying on a bag of tricks? It seems if Cruncher 4gates, 6 gates, builds a Void Ray etc. that's abusive play which won't last long. Yet at the same time if you play extremely safe and turtle while building up your army that's also labelled as abusive play and some kind of trick. I AM CONFUSE.


Leaning heavily on turtling with force fields and colossi and/or blink IMO. Abusing overpowered synergies without exploring other options and developing a playstyle around them that has difficulty competing when not allowed to adhere to that one, narrow strategy. Many protoss use these tactics, but most (again, like Hasu, sorry if it seems like I'm on his sack or something) that are actually skilled at the game employ them in an otherwise well-rounded repertoire that includes many other builds and strategies and doesn't fall apart in their absence.

The times he didn't do the above that I observed were times where he was pulling rabbits out of hats to 'change it up' with phoenix harass. His mechanics, game sense, and multitasking were never up to the caliber of the likes of Naniwa or Hasuobs, or even Incontrol. This is all something he had the power to change himself but didn't out of laziness.

All you really have to do to see the abusive Protoss players is track their performance since 1.3 and 1.4. Many started basically sucking, because they didn't have the skill to modify their approaches. Post-1.3, many in Korea started kinda sucking against zerg just because of the way the patch went to begin with, but it was a downhill decline ever since for the Protoss players that weren't able to play without their bags of tricks.


You are so stupid it hurts. Which other strategies should he have been using, out of interest? You are basically abusing him for using strats that worked, then calling him out on his post 1.3 performance when ALL match ups were showing sub 50% win rates for Protoss players, even Koreans. I don't see you telling Idra to stop using muta/ling because you deem it 'abusive' for some abiguous reason only you are aware off. The part about his mechanics and him being 'lazy' are the best - how do you even know this? Hes taken games off exceptional players with very solid play! Hes quitting sc2 to go to SCHOOL. SCHOOL. How is that a bad thing?

Jesus these threads man..

Good luck to Cruncher. I thought he was pretty manner, especially at MLG trying to shake Idras hand. For the record I'm an Idra fan also, I just hate retards.

gl Cruncher!


You hanging off of Cruncher's nuts is a great indication of my intellectual capacity, thx.

Look at other Protoss that don't have to turtle for the first 10-15 minutes of a game to get wins off of competent players. I'm biased against people that aren't entertaining to spectate. Listen to the State of the Game guys talk about Cruncher's play being boring and unimaginative, then come back and justify your point of view. Regardless of your feelings as to Cruncher's relative skill vs the rest of the field, you can't say the fucker's exciting to watch and not come across as a forced apologetic.

Also he's only going back to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he can't make it as a pro gamer. Since we're on the subject of Idra, you don't see him going to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he doesn't fucking have to. He was contemplating pursuing an engineering degree or something when he went pro the first time.


How the fuck do you know why he went back to school? You don't know him, I don't know him, its pure speculation. Maybe he went back to school because its a much safer career path and he wanted some security? And we weren't actually on the subject of Idra, you just seem to be randomly bringing him up to justify your own stupidity.

I'm not even hanging off his nuts. Hes a mid tier protoss player, he beat some good players, hes boring but his style works. Macro Zerg games are often just as boring but they work, that is all thats important. I don't need to listen to Incontrol and Tyler to formulate my own opinion of a semi-succesful player. You are just bashing him for no reason, and looking like a retard in the process. Stop trolling threads because you think you're smart.

Again, gl Cruncher. You accomplished a lot with some notable wins, and no doubt had some good experiences to take into later life. Gl with your studies.


Here in the United States, going back to college isn't necessarily a safer career path considering the current state of the economy. Cruncher already had a job capable of paying post-collegiate salary, assuming he was capable of being competitive.

Just returning to school by itself doesn't guarantee a position upon graduation, many of the more lucrative fields are fusterclucked with candidates specifically because of the state of the US economy and its affect on the job market. By leaving the pro gaming scene, Cruncher might've relegated himself to a blue-collar existence with a degree that means virtually nothing if he lacks the connections to land a job immediately upon graduating.

However, had he stayed a pro gamer, he was already on an excellent team and had he grown and developed as a player after the nerfs, he would've continued to turn heads. But I doubt he had what it takes to do that. His team had also acquired Naniwa, so the likelihood of Cruncher continuing to represent on any respectable level without changing races was low to nil.

And why the fuck do your arguments always have to go back to me being stupid? Express your opinions without personal attacks or eat a dick.



Nobody cares about your subjective opinions and misguided statements on career choices. I'm doing my higher education in America right now, and I can sure as hell say, as long as you are not doing your education in a lower rung college, and not just trying to scrape through with just a pass grade, college education gives you an excellent foundation to launch your career. Also unless your aim in life is to flip a burger in McDonalds or to just make money to survive, college education helps you immensely in achieving your goals (especially career related ones). If not for the education, just the networking opportunities that you get in college are priceless, and the entire experience is worth every single penny you pay. Look at the census info from US government Bureau of Labor Statistics. (scroll down to the table 5 and look at median value for Males over 25 with a college degree and compare it with those without)

Click

The first prize for winning an MLG is 5000 $. And more often than not a Korean is going to win it. Most graduates from my college make more money than that along with additional benefits. Hell, with all due respect to IdrA, I'm pretty sure I'm going to be making more money than him per year (on average over a period of 10 years), when I graduate. E-sports is fine if your entire passion in life lies with it. But if your goal is to make money and do other things, then you're better off with college education and alternate career paths instead of betting your life on a video game whose balance and longevity lies in the hands of a third person or entity (in this case, Blizzard).


Idra doesn't get paid only on his winnings.



I know, that's why I said on an average over 10 years. I highly doubt if he's going to command the same salary that he does over a long period of time. Of course, I could be totally wrong, but I would be happy if e-sports had such a stable business model and potential for growth.
Envy fan since NTH.
Brainling
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States660 Posts
October 04 2011 23:59 GMT
#296
I can't believe people are actually lampooning a guy for choosing his education over video games. What in the holy christ is wrong with some of you people. Even if he never makes a dime from his education, it's still a better god damn choice than video games. Knowledge and education are power, not being good at Protoss in a video game. Snap back to the real world for a second folks.
"The welfare of each of us is dependent fundamentally upon the welfare of all of us." - Theodore Roosevelt
Theeakoz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1114 Posts
October 05 2011 00:06 GMT
#297
I see alot of people swearing at each other here and it hurts... there's one thing to argue on a point and there's another thing to be rude to each other...
Please change the luck dependancy of spawning locations on rotationally symmetric maps.
TaurinE
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada35 Posts
October 05 2011 00:08 GMT
#298
On October 05 2011 08:59 Brainling wrote:
I can't believe people are actually lampooning a guy for choosing his education over video games. What in the holy christ is wrong with some of you people. Even if he never makes a dime from his education, it's still a better god damn choice than video games. Knowledge and education are power, not being good at Protoss in a video game. Snap back to the real world for a second folks.

No thanks, I'll stick to this world. ^_^
CinnaBuns
Profile Joined August 2011
United States34 Posts
October 05 2011 00:16 GMT
#299
On October 05 2011 08:06 Piledriver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 07:53 Dexington wrote:
On October 05 2011 06:50 Piledriver wrote:
On October 05 2011 06:08 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 05 2011 05:59 Trowa127 wrote:
On October 05 2011 05:32 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:22 Trowa127 wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:14 AutomatonOmega wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:16 AnalThermometer wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:06 AutomatonOmega wrote:
The whole thing comes down to Cruncher having relied on playing abusively and turtling up on 3 bases in a sim city while waiting for 3/3/3 200/200 and steamrolling. If he'd explored the game and put in the work to be legitimately good like Hasu he'd still be in the scene and still thriving.

He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result.


Out of interest, could one of the Idra's fans explain to me what ISN'T classified as abusive play or relying on a bag of tricks? It seems if Cruncher 4gates, 6 gates, builds a Void Ray etc. that's abusive play which won't last long. Yet at the same time if you play extremely safe and turtle while building up your army that's also labelled as abusive play and some kind of trick. I AM CONFUSE.


Leaning heavily on turtling with force fields and colossi and/or blink IMO. Abusing overpowered synergies without exploring other options and developing a playstyle around them that has difficulty competing when not allowed to adhere to that one, narrow strategy. Many protoss use these tactics, but most (again, like Hasu, sorry if it seems like I'm on his sack or something) that are actually skilled at the game employ them in an otherwise well-rounded repertoire that includes many other builds and strategies and doesn't fall apart in their absence.

The times he didn't do the above that I observed were times where he was pulling rabbits out of hats to 'change it up' with phoenix harass. His mechanics, game sense, and multitasking were never up to the caliber of the likes of Naniwa or Hasuobs, or even Incontrol. This is all something he had the power to change himself but didn't out of laziness.

All you really have to do to see the abusive Protoss players is track their performance since 1.3 and 1.4. Many started basically sucking, because they didn't have the skill to modify their approaches. Post-1.3, many in Korea started kinda sucking against zerg just because of the way the patch went to begin with, but it was a downhill decline ever since for the Protoss players that weren't able to play without their bags of tricks.


You are so stupid it hurts. Which other strategies should he have been using, out of interest? You are basically abusing him for using strats that worked, then calling him out on his post 1.3 performance when ALL match ups were showing sub 50% win rates for Protoss players, even Koreans. I don't see you telling Idra to stop using muta/ling because you deem it 'abusive' for some abiguous reason only you are aware off. The part about his mechanics and him being 'lazy' are the best - how do you even know this? Hes taken games off exceptional players with very solid play! Hes quitting sc2 to go to SCHOOL. SCHOOL. How is that a bad thing?

Jesus these threads man..

Good luck to Cruncher. I thought he was pretty manner, especially at MLG trying to shake Idras hand. For the record I'm an Idra fan also, I just hate retards.

gl Cruncher!


You hanging off of Cruncher's nuts is a great indication of my intellectual capacity, thx.

Look at other Protoss that don't have to turtle for the first 10-15 minutes of a game to get wins off of competent players. I'm biased against people that aren't entertaining to spectate. Listen to the State of the Game guys talk about Cruncher's play being boring and unimaginative, then come back and justify your point of view. Regardless of your feelings as to Cruncher's relative skill vs the rest of the field, you can't say the fucker's exciting to watch and not come across as a forced apologetic.

Also he's only going back to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he can't make it as a pro gamer. Since we're on the subject of Idra, you don't see him going to SCHOOL, SCHOOL because he doesn't fucking have to. He was contemplating pursuing an engineering degree or something when he went pro the first time.


How the fuck do you know why he went back to school? You don't know him, I don't know him, its pure speculation. Maybe he went back to school because its a much safer career path and he wanted some security? And we weren't actually on the subject of Idra, you just seem to be randomly bringing him up to justify your own stupidity.

I'm not even hanging off his nuts. Hes a mid tier protoss player, he beat some good players, hes boring but his style works. Macro Zerg games are often just as boring but they work, that is all thats important. I don't need to listen to Incontrol and Tyler to formulate my own opinion of a semi-succesful player. You are just bashing him for no reason, and looking like a retard in the process. Stop trolling threads because you think you're smart.

Again, gl Cruncher. You accomplished a lot with some notable wins, and no doubt had some good experiences to take into later life. Gl with your studies.


Here in the United States, going back to college isn't necessarily a safer career path considering the current state of the economy. Cruncher already had a job capable of paying post-collegiate salary, assuming he was capable of being competitive.

Just returning to school by itself doesn't guarantee a position upon graduation, many of the more lucrative fields are fusterclucked with candidates specifically because of the state of the US economy and its affect on the job market. By leaving the pro gaming scene, Cruncher might've relegated himself to a blue-collar existence with a degree that means virtually nothing if he lacks the connections to land a job immediately upon graduating.

However, had he stayed a pro gamer, he was already on an excellent team and had he grown and developed as a player after the nerfs, he would've continued to turn heads. But I doubt he had what it takes to do that. His team had also acquired Naniwa, so the likelihood of Cruncher continuing to represent on any respectable level without changing races was low to nil.

And why the fuck do your arguments always have to go back to me being stupid? Express your opinions without personal attacks or eat a dick.



Nobody cares about your subjective opinions and misguided statements on career choices. I'm doing my higher education in America right now, and I can sure as hell say, as long as you are not doing your education in a lower rung college, and not just trying to scrape through with just a pass grade, college education gives you an excellent foundation to launch your career. Also unless your aim in life is to flip a burger in McDonalds or to just make money to survive, college education helps you immensely in achieving your goals (especially career related ones). If not for the education, just the networking opportunities that you get in college are priceless, and the entire experience is worth every single penny you pay. Look at the census info from US government Bureau of Labor Statistics. (scroll down to the table 5 and look at median value for Males over 25 with a college degree and compare it with those without)

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The first prize for winning an MLG is 5000 $. And more often than not a Korean is going to win it. Most graduates from my college make more money than that along with additional benefits. Hell, with all due respect to IdrA, I'm pretty sure I'm going to be making more money than him per year (on average over a period of 10 years), when I graduate. E-sports is fine if your entire passion in life lies with it. But if your goal is to make money and do other things, then you're better off with college education and alternate career paths instead of betting your life on a video game whose balance and longevity lies in the hands of a third person or entity (in this case, Blizzard).


Idra doesn't get paid only on his winnings.



I know, that's why I said on an average over 10 years. I highly doubt if he's going to command the same salary that he does over a long period of time. Of course, I could be totally wrong, but I would be happy if e-sports had such a stable business model and potential for growth.


Agreed.

Team TSL in Korea paid their top players about $30,000 US dollars a year (source). Being in Code S gets you $1000 every tourney. Assuming you are one of the 32 best players on the planet and manage to stay in Code S for a whole year, you can earn just north of $40,000 in salary. Unless you're Nestea or MVP, your annual earnings will likely be $50,000 tops (assuming the player wins smaller tourneys now and then), and that's for being one of the best 32 players on the planet in one of the most competitive possible careers.

I don't know how much non-Koreans (or even non-TSL members) get paid, but I suspect it is comparable or somewhere south of what is possible in Korea, especially since Koreans take all the big foreign tourneys anyway. To top it off, your longevity is as good as the shelf life of a video game. And certainly, 90% of pro players are not top tier and playing in Code S every month, so earning even $30000-$50000 annually is likely out of reach.

To the vast majority of players who are good enough to be progamers, but not good enough to be Nestea or MVP, going to college and studying something useful is definitely a better long term investment, in spite of what a few bitter recent graduates may have to say about it.

All that being said, I respect progamers for doing what they love. Not everyone has financial stability at the top of their list of priorities, at least not at the age that most progamers are at. But given the financial reality that is e-sports today, it's hard to fault someone for putting school first.
stork4ever
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1036 Posts
October 05 2011 00:37 GMT
#300
Good luck cruncher!! Getting an education is tough, but the parties make it worth it =)

It's crazy how some sc2 fans think giving up gaming for schooling is a bad idea. In 10 years, all these teams, prize pools, and fame will be a shell of their former selves. Even if it was going stronger, noone can be good forever, and from the current state of the game, Koreans will take all the money. This is not the nba/nfl/mlb where you can make enough money in a short window to last you forever. At best, they will be making what 100k a year? Save that over 10 years and you still cannot retire, you will need a job. Unless you are lucky enough to get a commentator/coach, good luck getting a regular job with "MLG champion 2013 Kentucky" as your selling point on your resume.

This is a game and a hobby, unless we pull a Korea and Cruncher becomes the next Boxer, there is no way he can support himself and his family in the future by being a "pro" gamer. If anything, other "pros" need to plan their own future as well.
eddytlaw
Profile Joined November 2010
United States102 Posts
October 05 2011 00:53 GMT
#301
On October 04 2011 10:03 tuho12345 wrote:
Awww so we can't see IdrA and Cruncher shaking hand ever? Or may be EG will pick up Cruncher lol


probably not.
I fantasized about this back in Chicago.
Tortious_Tortoise
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States944 Posts
October 05 2011 01:04 GMT
#302
On October 05 2011 09:53 eddytlaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:03 tuho12345 wrote:
Awww so we can't see IdrA and Cruncher shaking hand ever? Or may be EG will pick up Cruncher lol


probably not.


Yeah Cruncher straight up isn't good enough to be on EG.
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
October 05 2011 01:20 GMT
#303
On October 05 2011 10:04 mbr2321 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 09:53 eddytlaw wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:03 tuho12345 wrote:
Awww so we can't see IdrA and Cruncher shaking hand ever? Or may be EG will pick up Cruncher lol


probably not.


Yeah Cruncher straight up isn't good enough to be on EG.

because he hasn't out performed Axslav or StrifeCro... Hell his MLG showings have been more impressive than incontrol's too.

Its hilarious how much hate this guy gets for winning ONE best of three. Get over yourself Idra fanboys.

Good luck with school, its the smart move. Hopefully we see him once school is finished.
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Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
October 05 2011 01:29 GMT
#304
On October 05 2011 10:20 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 10:04 mbr2321 wrote:
On October 05 2011 09:53 eddytlaw wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:03 tuho12345 wrote:
Awww so we can't see IdrA and Cruncher shaking hand ever? Or may be EG will pick up Cruncher lol


probably not.


Yeah Cruncher straight up isn't good enough to be on EG.

because he hasn't out performed Axslav or StrifeCro... Hell his MLG showings have been more impressive than incontrol's too.

Its hilarious how much hate this guy gets for winning ONE best of three. Get over yourself Idra fanboys.

Good luck with school, its the smart move. Hopefully we see him once school is finished.


This, this ,this, soo much this. Everytime I see a post by an IdrA fanboy, I pretty much picture a huge guy frothing at the edges of his mouth, mashing the keyboard furiously about how IdrA is right and everyone else who doesn't play zerg is pretty much a baddie.
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GotTheLife
Profile Joined October 2011
91 Posts
October 05 2011 01:33 GMT
#305
Cruncher is actually a great player, no matter what most people say. GL with school man, hopefully you can come back and own!
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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
October 05 2011 03:18 GMT
#306
On October 05 2011 10:33 GotTheLife wrote:
Cruncher is actually a great player, no matter what most people say. GL with school man, hopefully you can come back and own!



This and the above, not like i enjoy his playstyle but he deserves more then he gets credit for in this topic, it is rather hollow to see the idra fans spamming mindlessly there copied hate towards a player idra doomed from the start. But hey what else is new.

Best of luck to you Crunsher !
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 05 2011 03:23 GMT
#307
On October 04 2011 10:01 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote:

Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent.

They've got Naniwa and thats pretty much it.


They have Stepahno's money (but not Stephano )
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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
October 05 2011 03:26 GMT
#308
Sad how underrated Cruncher is... just because IdrA thinks he's bad doesn't mean it's true. GL in life Cruncher, you're a solid player, even though you cheesed me out at Raleigh.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24824 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 03:52:21
October 05 2011 03:50 GMT
#309
Pretty pathetic thread really. Guy seems a really genuine guy from anytime I've ever heard interviews with him, posted solid results (MLG Open Bracket success is pretty darn tough to do consistently). But yet he gets abused for his weight, for his playstyle, for STUDYING. Ridiculous.

All of this based on the fact Idra raged out at the guy. I personally like Idra's personality, but god can I not stand his fanboys who just go around shitting on other players because their king doesn't approve their playstyle. Grow the fuck up. Mr Fields is big enough to fight his own battles, 90% of which he starts in the first place. He no doubt regards sections of his Grackolytes as pretty pathetic anyway so you're not going to get to suck his dick no matter how much white-knighting you do on his behalf.

If you didn't have a range of divergent playstyles this game wouldn't be half as fun to watch, even if you consider them 'abusive'. Pretty funny really how much hate high-level players get on here, you know the kinds of guys who say that Puma is a bad player.

Good luck to Cruncher and whatever course his life takes him. Guy had the grace to accept his last MLG loss to Idra and went to shake his hand, and didn't even get that. No wonder he's taking a break if this kind of behaviour is regarded as acceptable in the community now.
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37003 Posts
October 05 2011 04:47 GMT
#310
Hope you do well Cruncher. Keep going for your goal no matter what
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Chamie
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden40 Posts
October 05 2011 06:03 GMT
#311
Sad to see another protoss player leaving, feels like there aren't that many of them left in the top.

Good luck in the future Crunch!
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Deezl
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States355 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 06:17:34
October 05 2011 06:15 GMT
#312
Minigun will see all the haters at IPL3.

Handle your Scholastics, sir Crunch
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Aterons_toss
Profile Joined February 2011
Romania1275 Posts
October 05 2011 06:25 GMT
#313
And suddenly in January EG will announce and announcement and husky will say in one of his vids: " Did you heard Cruncher is joining EG"... and non will know what hes talking about.

In all honesty the guy wasn't posing any "oh so impressive" result except for very few wins ( aka win vs Idra in TSL ) so it might be right decision to focus on school if he has the money for it.
A good strategy means leaving your opponent room to make mistakes
Fatze
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1342 Posts
October 05 2011 09:34 GMT
#314
sad news but ofc the best of luck!
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Pipeline
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1673 Posts
October 05 2011 09:53 GMT
#315
It would seem like
*puts on glasses*
crunch time is over.
morlakaix
Profile Joined February 2011
United States860 Posts
October 05 2011 11:33 GMT
#316
Going to be so many idra fanboys in here....

anyway good luck to him, school and playing professionally is probably really tough (as someone quoted QXC about it) hope everything goes well
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 11:45:45
October 05 2011 11:40 GMT
#317
Obv, anyone who disagrees with the opinion that cruncher never was/always was THAT good is a fanboy of cruncher/idra, since no serious person could ever disagree with my statements!!!1111

God i get so sick of the internet.
Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
October 05 2011 11:44 GMT
#318
On October 05 2011 15:25 Aterons_toss wrote:
And suddenly in January EG will announce and announcement and husky will say in one of his vids: " Did you heard Cruncher is joining EG"... and non will know what hes talking about.

In all honesty the guy wasn't posing any "oh so impressive" result except for very few wins ( aka win vs Idra in TSL ) so it might be right decision to focus on school if he has the money for it.


He qualified to pool play from the open bracket in MLG at least twice, and had decent results (eventhough his pool play results were not that good)
dsxrflol
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
42 Posts
October 05 2011 11:48 GMT
#319
On October 05 2011 06:50 Piledriver wrote:


Nobody cares about your subjective opinions and misguided statements on career choices. I'm doing my higher education in America right now, and I can sure as hell say, as long as you are not doing your education in a lower rung college, and not just trying to scrape through with just a pass grade, college education gives you an excellent foundation to launch your career. Also unless your aim in life is to flip a burger in McDonalds or to just make money to survive, college education helps you immensely in achieving your goals (especially career related ones). If not for the education, just the networking opportunities that you get in college are priceless, and the entire experience is worth every single penny you pay. Look at the census info from US government Bureau of Labor Statistics. (scroll down to the table 5 and look at median value for Males over 25 with a college degree and compare it with those without)

Click

The first prize for winning an MLG is 5000 $. And more often than not a Korean is going to win it. Most graduates from my college make more money than that along with additional benefits. Hell, with all due respect to IdrA, I'm pretty sure I'm going to be making more money than him per year (on average over a period of 10 years), when I graduate. E-sports is fine if your entire passion in life lies with it. But if your goal is to make money and do other things, then you're better off with college education and alternate career paths instead of betting your life on a video game whose balance and longevity lies in the hands of a third person or entity (in this case, Blizzard).


you're a bad man, that one blew a lot of imaginary worlds : (
WarLockx
Profile Joined August 2011
11 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 12:05:03
October 05 2011 12:04 GMT
#320
Studies more important i guess
drooL
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2108 Posts
October 05 2011 13:51 GMT
#321
IdrA is a little happier now
@nowSimon
Shadow_Dog
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada427 Posts
October 05 2011 14:14 GMT
#322
Not a big loss IMO.
Brandish
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States339 Posts
October 05 2011 18:25 GMT
#323
is he going to forfeit the rest of his games in the NASL? or continue playing until january
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
October 05 2011 19:46 GMT
#324
Complexity is probaly happy about this
Plutonik
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada329 Posts
October 05 2011 19:48 GMT
#325
whats he doing for nasl then?
legendre20
Profile Joined November 2010
United States316 Posts
October 05 2011 21:19 GMT
#326
Crunch bear nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu lol
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nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
October 05 2011 21:21 GMT
#327
hes not bad without practice, and wasn't great but was not bad with practice. if he decides to continue competitive gaming next year he probably could on a non-korean level.
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CojoStarcraft
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada8 Posts
October 05 2011 22:49 GMT
#328
GL dude.
redDuke
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia207 Posts
October 06 2011 00:54 GMT
#329
oh no! i loved cruncher :S ahh well gl to him at uni
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arrrk
Profile Joined May 2010
63 Posts
October 06 2011 03:12 GMT
#330
This seems a little weird. I was in the same team with cruncher in wc3 and start of sc2, and he attended lans and played while going school full time. He said he wasn't retiring because of school, and plans to come back after his contract expires.
Drmooose
Profile Joined March 2011
United States390 Posts
October 06 2011 04:48 GMT
#331
While I was never a huge fan, any less members in the scene isn't a good thing. Good luck to you! Guess Nani will have to take his place as Col.'s toss :p
I have a question...
Imalengrat
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia365 Posts
October 06 2011 04:51 GMT
#332
Good luck , all the best, I wonder how long the "break" will be.
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RoscHii
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany3 Posts
October 06 2011 11:05 GMT
#333
Guess Nani will have to take his place as Col.'s toss

well, not that big of a deal imo.
NaNi is AT LEAST twice as good as cruncher...
I wont miss him anyways.
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Bayyne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1967 Posts
October 06 2011 11:08 GMT
#334


Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
JeffJohnson
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany62 Posts
October 06 2011 11:16 GMT
#335
RIP cruncher, your clash idra was very entertaining
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
October 06 2011 11:27 GMT
#336
I can only wish him academic success. Better to find alternatives to pro-gaming for him IMO.
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JimmyHollow
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom249 Posts
October 06 2011 16:18 GMT
#337
Best of luck dude !
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
October 06 2011 18:51 GMT
#338
On October 06 2011 03:25 Brandish wrote:
is he going to forfeit the rest of his games in the NASL? or continue playing until january


I'm also curious as to this. I just saw him beating Fenix in NASL and his DT/Warp prism harass was pretty cool. Shame to lose a player.
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zarass
Profile Joined October 2011
Botswana3 Posts
October 07 2011 03:04 GMT
#339
--- Nuked ---
xiaominmyo
Profile Joined October 2011
United States4 Posts
October 07 2011 03:23 GMT
#340
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AutomatonOmega
Profile Joined February 2011
United States706 Posts
October 07 2011 07:24 GMT
#341
Sry for derping up the thread earlier. :x

GL Cruncher, and have fun in college with all the women and debauchery and the like.
Coindrop
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States203 Posts
October 07 2011 10:25 GMT
#342
You all realize that the 'hate' doesn't just stem from IdrA fanboys and biased followers. Cruncher dug himself a pretty decent grave in the wc3 scene, Shit manners, lots of egoboosting, he had a lot of haters back then as well. He has wised up some since those days but still its not all unjustified "fanboyism."

Best of luck to him in his studies though. School is important yo.
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Jongl0
Profile Joined June 2011
631 Posts
October 07 2011 14:18 GMT
#343
On October 07 2011 19:25 FreshandLegit wrote:
You all realize that the 'hate' doesn't just stem from IdrA fanboys and biased followers. Cruncher dug himself a pretty decent grave in the wc3 scene, Shit manners, lots of egoboosting, he had a lot of haters back then as well. He has wised up some since those days but still its not all unjustified "fanboyism."

Best of luck to him in his studies though. School is important yo.


This is true, I'm in no way biased or a fanboy of IdrA and I still don't like this guy.

He made the right choice imo, don't think he'll become any better.
OsmOse
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada18 Posts
October 07 2011 17:48 GMT
#344
On October 04 2011 10:02 Corrosive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:01 Bagi wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote:

Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent.

They've got Naniwa and thats pretty much it.

trimaster? minigun?


As much as I like mini-gun...haven't seen any meaningful results out of him. I'd agree CoL is looking rather weak right... I never viewed Cruncher as that great of a player either.
Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
October 07 2011 22:34 GMT
#345
Gl with school Cruncher
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xCenasfu
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland143 Posts
October 07 2011 23:14 GMT
#346
Colonel Cruncher noo!! You had a cool name..
onedayclose
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1145 Posts
October 08 2011 01:53 GMT
#347
Cruncher fighting! Good luck in school! Hopefully you will come back to compete in TSL4!
arrrk
Profile Joined May 2010
63 Posts
October 08 2011 04:06 GMT
#348
On October 07 2011 19:25 FreshandLegit wrote:
You all realize that the 'hate' doesn't just stem from IdrA fanboys and biased followers. Cruncher dug himself a pretty decent grave in the wc3 scene, Shit manners, lots of egoboosting, he had a lot of haters back then as well. He has wised up some since those days but still its not all unjustified "fanboyism."

Best of luck to him in his studies though. School is important yo.


Umm what? Why make something up that is completely untrue?

But yeah just read my post on the previous page. Hes not gone for good
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
October 08 2011 04:13 GMT
#349
On October 08 2011 13:06 arrrk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2011 19:25 FreshandLegit wrote:
You all realize that the 'hate' doesn't just stem from IdrA fanboys and biased followers. Cruncher dug himself a pretty decent grave in the wc3 scene, Shit manners, lots of egoboosting, he had a lot of haters back then as well. He has wised up some since those days but still its not all unjustified "fanboyism."

Best of luck to him in his studies though. School is important yo.


Umm what? Why make something up that is completely untrue?

But yeah just read my post on the previous page. Hes not gone for good


He's not making something up. Were you a part of the WC3 scene?
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arrrk
Profile Joined May 2010
63 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-08 04:26:55
October 08 2011 04:20 GMT
#350
On October 08 2011 13:13 IPA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2011 13:06 arrrk wrote:
On October 07 2011 19:25 FreshandLegit wrote:
You all realize that the 'hate' doesn't just stem from IdrA fanboys and biased followers. Cruncher dug himself a pretty decent grave in the wc3 scene, Shit manners, lots of egoboosting, he had a lot of haters back then as well. He has wised up some since those days but still its not all unjustified "fanboyism."

Best of luck to him in his studies though. School is important yo.


Umm what? Why make something up that is completely untrue?

But yeah just read my post on the previous page. Hes not gone for good


He's not making something up. Were you a part of the WC3 scene?


Yes, I've been apart of the scene since 2005. Saying he was bm and had a lot of haters is simply untrue. Yeah he would say some things here and there but if you consider that bm then you must not have been apart of leagues and are merely basing off what you're saying from what you've heard.
grandkai
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada71 Posts
October 08 2011 08:35 GMT
#351
On October 04 2011 10:04 Sorter wrote:
Catz is underrated. Good luck to Cruncher in his studies however!


lol?
JayDee_
Profile Joined June 2010
548 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-08 15:40:32
October 08 2011 15:36 GMT
#352
On October 04 2011 10:09 AutomatonOmega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:05 Papulatus wrote:
Looks like IdrA was right about Cruncher falling off the scene... lol...

On a more serious note, I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a progamer while in college. Last night on RedBull LAN QXC said a little about how hard it is and how "life basically sucks" trying to balance the two.

Good luck to Cruncher even if I lost 3 times to his cannon rush cheese on the ladder!


Lol fucking right. Idra said once the balance swung out of Protoss' favor, Cruncher would make a quiet exit, and here it is. <3


idra is just bitter he's not the bonjwa everybody thought he would be. You can't blame a person for wanting to go to school. Pro SC2 is not a good long term career choice. Unfortunately, most pro-gamers are just treading water and will eventually need to move on to something else. Cruncher sees the dead end and is moving on before he wastes any more time. More power to him imo.
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
October 08 2011 15:48 GMT
#353
This is actually quite a big lose for NA Protoss scene (which is almost non-existent without KiWiKaKi and HuK now counts as a korean).
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-08 19:18:45
October 08 2011 19:17 GMT
#354
On October 09 2011 00:48 Huragius wrote:
This is actually quite a big lose for NA Protoss scene (which is almost non-existent without KiWiKaKi and HuK now counts as a korean).


Kiwikaki and Huk still counts as NA if you ask me, besides, Cruncher is negligent in the NA scene to begin with.

As for "Foreign" in general, i can name hasoub, elfi, sase, just 3 off the top of my head who are phenomenally better than Cruncher
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-08 19:25:01
October 08 2011 19:23 GMT
#355
On October 09 2011 04:17 MildSeven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 00:48 Huragius wrote:
This is actually quite a big lose for NA Protoss scene (which is almost non-existent without KiWiKaKi and HuK now counts as a korean).


Kiwikaki and Huk still counts as NA if you ask me, besides, Cruncher is negligent in the NA scene to begin with.

As for "Foreign" in general, i can name hasoub, elfi, sase, just 3 off the top of my head who are phenomenally better than Cruncher


And I can name even more 10 better protoss players from all foreigners. I was talking about NA scene and Cruncher was one of the better protosses there.

And Huk situation is arguable. I count him as a korean now.
Mallard86
Profile Joined May 2011
186 Posts
October 08 2011 21:28 GMT
#356
On October 04 2011 10:04 Sorter wrote:
Catz is underrated. Good luck to Cruncher in his studies however!

I think Catz has bad mechanics. I also see him do a lot of silly things and throw matches away. He does, however, do some brilliant things here and there.
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
October 09 2011 00:00 GMT
#357
On October 09 2011 04:23 Huragius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 04:17 MildSeven wrote:
On October 09 2011 00:48 Huragius wrote:
This is actually quite a big lose for NA Protoss scene (which is almost non-existent without KiWiKaKi and HuK now counts as a korean).


Kiwikaki and Huk still counts as NA if you ask me, besides, Cruncher is negligent in the NA scene to begin with.

As for "Foreign" in general, i can name hasoub, elfi, sase, just 3 off the top of my head who are phenomenally better than Cruncher


And I can name even more 10 better protoss players from all foreigners. I was talking about NA scene and Cruncher was one of the better protosses there.

And Huk situation is arguable. I count him as a korean now.


You're from Lithuania, i am actually from NA. You exxagerate, Cruncher really isn't big in the NA scene.
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
October 09 2011 00:52 GMT
#358
On October 09 2011 09:00 MildSeven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 04:23 Huragius wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:17 MildSeven wrote:
On October 09 2011 00:48 Huragius wrote:
This is actually quite a big lose for NA Protoss scene (which is almost non-existent without KiWiKaKi and HuK now counts as a korean).


Kiwikaki and Huk still counts as NA if you ask me, besides, Cruncher is negligent in the NA scene to begin with.

As for "Foreign" in general, i can name hasoub, elfi, sase, just 3 off the top of my head who are phenomenally better than Cruncher


And I can name even more 10 better protoss players from all foreigners. I was talking about NA scene and Cruncher was one of the better protosses there.

And Huk situation is arguable. I count him as a korean now.


You're from Lithuania, i am actually from NA. You exxagerate, Cruncher really isn't big in the NA scene.


That is a very valid and strong argument coming from a newcomer in TL lol.
Zuxo
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden395 Posts
October 09 2011 01:34 GMT
#359
On October 09 2011 09:00 MildSeven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 04:23 Huragius wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:17 MildSeven wrote:
On October 09 2011 00:48 Huragius wrote:
This is actually quite a big lose for NA Protoss scene (which is almost non-existent without KiWiKaKi and HuK now counts as a korean).


Kiwikaki and Huk still counts as NA if you ask me, besides, Cruncher is negligent in the NA scene to begin with.

As for "Foreign" in general, i can name hasoub, elfi, sase, just 3 off the top of my head who are phenomenally better than Cruncher


And I can name even more 10 better protoss players from all foreigners. I was talking about NA scene and Cruncher was one of the better protosses there.

And Huk situation is arguable. I count him as a korean now.


You're from Lithuania, i am actually from NA. You exxagerate, Cruncher really isn't big in the NA scene.


Hahaa what?! lol
I'm a mother******* lyrical wordsmith, mother******* genius
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
October 09 2011 02:08 GMT
#360
On October 09 2011 09:52 Huragius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 09:00 MildSeven wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:23 Huragius wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:17 MildSeven wrote:
On October 09 2011 00:48 Huragius wrote:
This is actually quite a big lose for NA Protoss scene (which is almost non-existent without KiWiKaKi and HuK now counts as a korean).


Kiwikaki and Huk still counts as NA if you ask me, besides, Cruncher is negligent in the NA scene to begin with.

As for "Foreign" in general, i can name hasoub, elfi, sase, just 3 off the top of my head who are phenomenally better than Cruncher


And I can name even more 10 better protoss players from all foreigners. I was talking about NA scene and Cruncher was one of the better protosses there.

And Huk situation is arguable. I count him as a korean now.


You're from Lithuania, i am actually from NA. You exxagerate, Cruncher really isn't big in the NA scene.


That is a very valid and strong argument coming from a newcomer in TL lol.


that is a very solid sarcastic counter argument from someone who joined TL 1 month earlier and in defense of a game that is nascent 1 year old who happens to post 7x more.
Outsited
Profile Joined April 2011
United States189 Posts
October 09 2011 02:21 GMT
#361
On October 08 2011 08:14 xCenasfu wrote:
Colonel Cruncher noo!! You had a cool name..


my thoughts exactly
Something on your mind ?
Coindrop
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States203 Posts
October 09 2011 11:38 GMT
#362
On October 08 2011 13:20 arrrk wrote:
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On October 08 2011 13:13 IPA wrote:
On October 08 2011 13:06 arrrk wrote:
On October 07 2011 19:25 FreshandLegit wrote:
You all realize that the 'hate' doesn't just stem from IdrA fanboys and biased followers. Cruncher dug himself a pretty decent grave in the wc3 scene, Shit manners, lots of egoboosting, he had a lot of haters back then as well. He has wised up some since those days but still its not all unjustified "fanboyism."

Best of luck to him in his studies though. School is important yo.


Umm what? Why make something up that is completely untrue?

But yeah just read my post on the previous page. Hes not gone for good


He's not making something up. Were you a part of the WC3 scene?


Yes, I've been apart of the scene since 2005. Saying he was bm and had a lot of haters is simply untrue. Yeah he would say some things here and there but if you consider that bm then you must not have been apart of leagues and are merely basing off what you're saying from what you've heard.


you obviously weren't very involved with the scene at all.
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Drteeth
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Great Britain415 Posts
October 09 2011 12:24 GMT
#363
Good for him, study is important and being a pro gamer doesen't last forever
Nice cheese ....GG!
arrrk
Profile Joined May 2010
63 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 07:12:09
October 10 2011 00:53 GMT
#364
On October 09 2011 20:38 FreshandLegit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2011 13:20 arrrk wrote:
On October 08 2011 13:13 IPA wrote:
On October 08 2011 13:06 arrrk wrote:
On October 07 2011 19:25 FreshandLegit wrote:
You all realize that the 'hate' doesn't just stem from IdrA fanboys and biased followers. Cruncher dug himself a pretty decent grave in the wc3 scene, Shit manners, lots of egoboosting, he had a lot of haters back then as well. He has wised up some since those days but still its not all unjustified "fanboyism."

Best of luck to him in his studies though. School is important yo.


Umm what? Why make something up that is completely untrue?

But yeah just read my post on the previous page. Hes not gone for good


He's not making something up. Were you a part of the WC3 scene?


Yes, I've been apart of the scene since 2005. Saying he was bm and had a lot of haters is simply untrue. Yeah he would say some things here and there but if you consider that bm then you must not have been apart of leagues and are merely basing off what you're saying from what you've heard.


you obviously weren't very involved with the scene at all.


What is your name that you were known as in WC3? I've known cruncher since before he even started leaguing and I've gamed with him far more than most have. If you're going to say that he had terrible manners then I can only assume one of two things:

You were a member/friend of vVv
You weren't involved in the league scene

I was very involved with the scene from leading teams, playing, and other such things.
LatsyrC
Profile Joined November 2011
Haiti76 Posts
March 15 2012 04:20 GMT
#365
where is this player? its being quite a while that he is inactive
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
March 15 2012 04:22 GMT
#366
He's probably done with sc2 forever or at least until after school, and it's still school time.
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Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 04:24:04
March 15 2012 04:23 GMT
#367
This is a very needless bump of an old post. Just FYI - Unless you have a very valid reason, doing this is against the rules and generally frowned upon. The terminology is "Necroing" a thread.

Anyway in relation to your question --- Cruncher retired to focus on his education. Again with what I said above, all the information you asked is in the FIRST post, so this bump was not needed.
Eishi_Ki
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1667 Posts
March 15 2012 04:25 GMT
#368
Actually, he has been listed on the CLG website as an active streamer (maybe a couple days a week).

Yes, it's a League site
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 05:17:30
March 15 2012 04:28 GMT
#369
I remember when his ZvP was said to be one of the best in the world. Cruncher was one of the most talented players out there, but I understand his decision. Studying is important too, not just win a GSL

Edit: Yeah, my apologies, I meant PvZ. SC2 can be so confusing sometimes.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 15 2012 04:29 GMT
#370
He's probably still inactive for the same reasons as before .___.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
March 15 2012 04:34 GMT
#371
Probably playing League of Legends... lol

Wouldn't surprise me :/
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
March 15 2012 04:37 GMT
#372
I played him on ladder 2-3 weeks ago
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
March 15 2012 04:39 GMT
#373
On March 15 2012 13:28 ZenithM wrote:
I remember when his ZvP was said to be one of the best in the world. Cruncher was one of the most talented players out there, but I understand his decision. Studying is important too, not just win a GSL


cruncher didnt play Zerg lol. and hes definitely not 1 of the most talent players out there, thats silly. not to bash him or anything he is very talented but far from GSL skill
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
March 15 2012 05:00 GMT
#374
On March 15 2012 13:39 PhiliBiRD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 13:28 ZenithM wrote:
I remember when his ZvP was said to be one of the best in the world. Cruncher was one of the most talented players out there, but I understand his decision. Studying is important too, not just win a GSL


cruncher didnt play Zerg lol. and hes definitely not 1 of the most talent players out there, thats silly. not to bash him or anything he is very talented but far from GSL skill

yeah, not saying it to disrespect him or anything, he was good, but i even he would agree he wasnt one of the best and not Code S level
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
MaV_gGSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1345 Posts
March 15 2012 05:06 GMT
#375
On March 15 2012 13:22 blade55555 wrote:
He's probably done with sc2 forever or at least until after school, and it's still school time.

Hopefully not forever man :O
Life's good :D
Plutonik
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada329 Posts
March 15 2012 05:09 GMT
#376
he was streaming sc2 today
purecarnagge
Profile Joined August 2010
719 Posts
March 15 2012 05:23 GMT
#377
On March 15 2012 14:09 Plutonik wrote:
he was streaming sc2 today


just means he needed pizza/beer money or wanted to take a chick out on a date. Not like its breaking news.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 05:57:53
March 15 2012 05:25 GMT
#378
to all the people talking about skill having anything to do with the inactivity of any player--
unless you can actually lock down (x)grand/year, if you have aspirations in education and employment that exceed x/year then no one can judge you for taking a break from sc2.

cruncher is a very strong player. his ability of course is downgraded because of idra fanboyism and its branches.. the avg. tl reader probably thinks cruncher is significantly worse than he actually is thanks to the idra effect..

let him ladder, let him play in tournies when he has time. he's a great talent, a tremendous rts mind. if he wants to play sc2 for real, he can come back at any time, as this game is extremely easy to come back to mechanically
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iAmBiGbiRd
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia1029 Posts
March 15 2012 05:27 GMT
#379
infC.CrunCher
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