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On October 05 2011 03:57 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 03:08 royal.cze wrote:On October 05 2011 03:05 iamke55 wrote:On October 05 2011 03:04 royal.cze wrote:
so did cruncher do anything besides you know beating idra that one time in the tsl ? He's beaten plenty of players way better than Idra. So Crunchers been beating Koreans ? I must have missed it. He beat Boxer at MLG when Boxer ended up in 3rd place.
He took a game not took him the whole series (which was impressive still).
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On October 05 2011 03:16 AnalThermometer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 03:06 AutomatonOmega wrote:
The whole thing comes down to Cruncher having relied on playing abusively and turtling up on 3 bases in a sim city while waiting for 3/3/3 200/200 and steamrolling. If he'd explored the game and put in the work to be legitimately good like Hasu he'd still be in the scene and still thriving.
He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result. Out of interest, could one of the Idra's fans explain to me what ISN'T classified as abusive play or relying on a bag of tricks? It seems if Cruncher 4gates, 6 gates, builds a Void Ray etc. that's abusive play which won't last long. Yet at the same time if you play extremely safe and turtle while building up your army that's also labelled as abusive play and some kind of trick. I AM CONFUSE.
Leaning heavily on turtling with force fields and colossi and/or blink IMO. Abusing overpowered synergies without exploring other options and developing a playstyle around them that has difficulty competing when not allowed to adhere to that one, narrow strategy. Many protoss use these tactics, but most (again, like Hasu, sorry if it seems like I'm on his sack or something) that are actually skilled at the game employ them in an otherwise well-rounded repertoire that includes many other builds and strategies and doesn't fall apart in their absence.
The times he didn't do the above that I observed were times where he was pulling rabbits out of hats to 'change it up' with phoenix harass. His mechanics, game sense, and multitasking were never up to the caliber of the likes of Naniwa or Hasuobs, or even Incontrol. This is all something he had the power to change himself but didn't out of laziness.
All you really have to do to see the abusive Protoss players is track their performance since 1.3 and 1.4. Many started basically sucking, because they didn't have the skill to modify their approaches. Post-1.3, many in Korea started kinda sucking against zerg just because of the way the patch went to begin with, but it was a downhill decline ever since for the Protoss players that weren't able to play without their bags of tricks.
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I think Idra will be shaking up the most about this news hes really hurting
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On October 05 2011 04:14 AutomatonOmega wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 03:16 AnalThermometer wrote:On October 05 2011 03:06 AutomatonOmega wrote:
The whole thing comes down to Cruncher having relied on playing abusively and turtling up on 3 bases in a sim city while waiting for 3/3/3 200/200 and steamrolling. If he'd explored the game and put in the work to be legitimately good like Hasu he'd still be in the scene and still thriving.
He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result. Out of interest, could one of the Idra's fans explain to me what ISN'T classified as abusive play or relying on a bag of tricks? It seems if Cruncher 4gates, 6 gates, builds a Void Ray etc. that's abusive play which won't last long. Yet at the same time if you play extremely safe and turtle while building up your army that's also labelled as abusive play and some kind of trick. I AM CONFUSE. Leaning heavily on turtling with force fields and colossi and/or blink IMO. Abusing overpowered synergies without exploring other options and developing a playstyle around them that has difficulty competing when not allowed to adhere to that one, narrow strategy. Many protoss use these tactics, but most (again, like Hasu, sorry if it seems like I'm on his sack or something) that are actually skilled at the game employ them in an otherwise well-rounded repertoire that includes many other builds and strategies and doesn't fall apart in their absence. The times he didn't do the above that I observed were times where he was pulling rabbits out of hats to 'change it up' with phoenix harass. His mechanics, game sense, and multitasking were never up to the caliber of the likes of Naniwa or Hasuobs, or even Incontrol. This is all something he had the power to change himself but didn't out of laziness. All you really have to do to see the abusive Protoss players is track their performance since 1.3 and 1.4. Many started basically sucking, because they didn't have the skill to modify their approaches. Post-1.3, many in Korea started kinda sucking against zerg just because of the way the patch went to begin with, but it was a downhill decline ever since for the Protoss players that weren't able to play without their bags of tricks.
You are so stupid it hurts. Which other strategies should he have been using, out of interest? You are basically abusing him for using strats that worked, then calling him out on his post 1.3 performance when ALL match ups were showing sub 50% win rates for Protoss players, even Koreans. I don't see you telling Idra to stop using muta/ling because you deem it 'abusive' for some abiguous reason only you are aware off. The part about his mechanics and him being 'lazy' are the best - how do you even know this? Hes taken games off exceptional players with very solid play! Hes quitting sc2 to go to SCHOOL. SCHOOL. How is that a bad thing?
Jesus these threads man..
Good luck to Cruncher. I thought he was pretty manner, especially at MLG trying to shake Idras hand. For the record I'm an Idra fan also, I just hate retards.
gl Cruncher!
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What's with the Cruncher hate in this thread 
We need more 
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On October 04 2011 10:02 Corrosive wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 10:01 Bagi wrote:On October 04 2011 10:00 Ruscour wrote:
Not that big of a loss for coL though, they're not exactly lacking for talent. They've got Naniwa and thats pretty much it. trimaster? minigun?
repeat - Naniwa is all they have.
any members of MVP don't really count as a COL member, they are just training partners.
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Threads like this make my head explode, however i won't succumb to the idiots and write a novel that shreds holes in their arguments because that would merely make them grow. I like IdrA and i am a fan of him despite being a Protoss player but the fact that all his Die-hard fans turn into mindless zombies bent only on defending his every loss by calling the other player bad or saying they abused a broken strat is fucking ridiculous, CrunCher is a nice guy who DID NOT deserve the bullshit he received AT ALL. "Yeah well he bad mannered IdrA after cheesing him out of TSL, what a joke" He didn't cheese he used a timing and a strong build and a simple smiley face is hardly BM when IdrA blatantly said that he "Was approaching this match as if it were a walk over" before the game. CrunCher was always nice to me although i doubt he would remember me, when we spent some time in infC (One of the two best USA wc3 teams at the later stages of the game) together, he was always up for FFA's and games etc
As for people saying that he left because toss is weak now and he had no skill so it's fitting or whatever
1) He was always a student first and foremost so it's only logical
2) Why would he want to commit time and effort when after all this time and effort if he ever wins anything he cops a fucking ridiculous amount of Flak for it from the very heart of the community that is supposed to be supporting this game/the players
3) He would rape the face off of EVERY poster who said stupid things like "Good riddance" and "Saw it coming, he's bad anyway"
Once again no disrespect to IdrA because i think he's great but most of his fans are so fucking stupid i can't even comprehend their thought process but i think it's something along the lines of that they leach from him and think that when he wins they are, in turn, better than the fans of the player he defeated aswell
Example: IdrA 3-1 Elfi (Not using this specifically, as it's happened many times
IdRa fanboys = LOL IdrA BEST IN WORLD, SHIT EURO SCRUB ABUSER CHEESER DOWN (People defend Elfi) YOUR AN IDIOT, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS GAME AT ALL I BET YOUR SOME BRONZE SCRUB
Sigh, sorry for my rant, it's 6 am and i havent slept in two days lol back to the topic GL in everything you do CrunCher and i hope when you either finish study/have more time and motivation you come back stronger than ever
Rage at me all you want, i'm going to sleep
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On October 05 2011 04:22 Trowa127 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 04:14 AutomatonOmega wrote:On October 05 2011 03:16 AnalThermometer wrote:On October 05 2011 03:06 AutomatonOmega wrote:
The whole thing comes down to Cruncher having relied on playing abusively and turtling up on 3 bases in a sim city while waiting for 3/3/3 200/200 and steamrolling. If he'd explored the game and put in the work to be legitimately good like Hasu he'd still be in the scene and still thriving.
He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result. Out of interest, could one of the Idra's fans explain to me what ISN'T classified as abusive play or relying on a bag of tricks? It seems if Cruncher 4gates, 6 gates, builds a Void Ray etc. that's abusive play which won't last long. Yet at the same time if you play extremely safe and turtle while building up your army that's also labelled as abusive play and some kind of trick. I AM CONFUSE. Leaning heavily on turtling with force fields and colossi and/or blink IMO. Abusing overpowered synergies without exploring other options and developing a playstyle around them that has difficulty competing when not allowed to adhere to that one, narrow strategy. Many protoss use these tactics, but most (again, like Hasu, sorry if it seems like I'm on his sack or something) that are actually skilled at the game employ them in an otherwise well-rounded repertoire that includes many other builds and strategies and doesn't fall apart in their absence. The times he didn't do the above that I observed were times where he was pulling rabbits out of hats to 'change it up' with phoenix harass. His mechanics, game sense, and multitasking were never up to the caliber of the likes of Naniwa or Hasuobs, or even Incontrol. This is all something he had the power to change himself but didn't out of laziness. All you really have to do to see the abusive Protoss players is track their performance since 1.3 and 1.4. Many started basically sucking, because they didn't have the skill to modify their approaches. Post-1.3, many in Korea started kinda sucking against zerg just because of the way the patch went to begin with, but it was a downhill decline ever since for the Protoss players that weren't able to play without their bags of tricks. You are so stupid it hurts. Which other strategies should he have been using, out of interest? You are basically abusing him for using strats that worked, then calling him out on his post 1.3 performance when ALL match ups were showing sub 50% win rates for Protoss players, even Koreans. I don't see you telling Idra to stop using muta/ling because you deem it 'abusive' for some abiguous reason only you are aware off. The part about his mechanics and him being 'lazy' are the best - how do you even know this? Hes taken games off exceptional players with very solid play! Hes quitting sc2 to go to SCHOOL. SCHOOL. How is that a bad thing? Jesus these threads man.. Good luck to Cruncher. I thought he was pretty manner, especially at MLG trying to shake Idras hand. For the record I'm an Idra fan also, I just hate retards. gl Cruncher!
In hindsight i should have just QFT this comment and said GL to CrunCher lol
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On October 05 2011 04:46 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 04:22 Trowa127 wrote:On October 05 2011 04:14 AutomatonOmega wrote:On October 05 2011 03:16 AnalThermometer wrote:On October 05 2011 03:06 AutomatonOmega wrote:
The whole thing comes down to Cruncher having relied on playing abusively and turtling up on 3 bases in a sim city while waiting for 3/3/3 200/200 and steamrolling. If he'd explored the game and put in the work to be legitimately good like Hasu he'd still be in the scene and still thriving.
He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result. Out of interest, could one of the Idra's fans explain to me what ISN'T classified as abusive play or relying on a bag of tricks? It seems if Cruncher 4gates, 6 gates, builds a Void Ray etc. that's abusive play which won't last long. Yet at the same time if you play extremely safe and turtle while building up your army that's also labelled as abusive play and some kind of trick. I AM CONFUSE. Leaning heavily on turtling with force fields and colossi and/or blink IMO. Abusing overpowered synergies without exploring other options and developing a playstyle around them that has difficulty competing when not allowed to adhere to that one, narrow strategy. Many protoss use these tactics, but most (again, like Hasu, sorry if it seems like I'm on his sack or something) that are actually skilled at the game employ them in an otherwise well-rounded repertoire that includes many other builds and strategies and doesn't fall apart in their absence. The times he didn't do the above that I observed were times where he was pulling rabbits out of hats to 'change it up' with phoenix harass. His mechanics, game sense, and multitasking were never up to the caliber of the likes of Naniwa or Hasuobs, or even Incontrol. This is all something he had the power to change himself but didn't out of laziness. All you really have to do to see the abusive Protoss players is track their performance since 1.3 and 1.4. Many started basically sucking, because they didn't have the skill to modify their approaches. Post-1.3, many in Korea started kinda sucking against zerg just because of the way the patch went to begin with, but it was a downhill decline ever since for the Protoss players that weren't able to play without their bags of tricks. You are so stupid it hurts. Which other strategies should he have been using, out of interest? You are basically abusing him for using strats that worked, then calling him out on his post 1.3 performance when ALL match ups were showing sub 50% win rates for Protoss players, even Koreans. I don't see you telling Idra to stop using muta/ling because you deem it 'abusive' for some abiguous reason only you are aware off. The part about his mechanics and him being 'lazy' are the best - how do you even know this? Hes taken games off exceptional players with very solid play! Hes quitting sc2 to go to SCHOOL. SCHOOL. How is that a bad thing? Jesus these threads man.. Good luck to Cruncher. I thought he was pretty manner, especially at MLG trying to shake Idras hand. For the record I'm an Idra fan also, I just hate retards. gl Cruncher! In hindsight i should have just QFT this comment and said GL to CrunCher lol
It had to be said. Its mind blowing the legnths that some people will go in an attempt to justify an argument that is at best, fucking moronic. Idra is a great player, that doesn't mean these morons have to act like a retard 'defending' him against people who beat him in the past.
Sorry I'm raging pretty hard right now.
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You'll be remembered, Crunher...
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good luck in exams cruncher!
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Quitting something like professional Starcraft for school when you're on a good team and you're a good player shows some real maturity. It'll be interesting if we'll see him come back after he is done with his studies. Well wishes dude!
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Do well in studies, Cruncher!
We will be waiting for you when you graduate.
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I love these threads, watching fanboys rage at each other mindlessly. Idra doesn't need to be defended, and neither does cruncher, hes moving on in life both sides can stop being stupid and let it be.
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What a coincidence. Both of the formerly no-name players who's biggest claim to fame was beating Idra and receiving epic BM from him both joined Complexity then quit gaming shortly after.
Complexity just doesn't learn do they.
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Choosing to focus on his education over his professional Starcraft 2 career is the right move. I'm sure we will see him again soon.
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And this will be the last we ever hear about Cruncher. Hopefully he saved up some money for college
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On October 05 2011 04:49 Trowa127 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 04:46 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:On October 05 2011 04:22 Trowa127 wrote:On October 05 2011 04:14 AutomatonOmega wrote:On October 05 2011 03:16 AnalThermometer wrote:On October 05 2011 03:06 AutomatonOmega wrote:
The whole thing comes down to Cruncher having relied on playing abusively and turtling up on 3 bases in a sim city while waiting for 3/3/3 200/200 and steamrolling. If he'd explored the game and put in the work to be legitimately good like Hasu he'd still be in the scene and still thriving.
He never outgrew the 'bag of tricks' phase in his pro-gaming, and this is the end result. Out of interest, could one of the Idra's fans explain to me what ISN'T classified as abusive play or relying on a bag of tricks? It seems if Cruncher 4gates, 6 gates, builds a Void Ray etc. that's abusive play which won't last long. Yet at the same time if you play extremely safe and turtle while building up your army that's also labelled as abusive play and some kind of trick. I AM CONFUSE. Leaning heavily on turtling with force fields and colossi and/or blink IMO. Abusing overpowered synergies without exploring other options and developing a playstyle around them that has difficulty competing when not allowed to adhere to that one, narrow strategy. Many protoss use these tactics, but most (again, like Hasu, sorry if it seems like I'm on his sack or something) that are actually skilled at the game employ them in an otherwise well-rounded repertoire that includes many other builds and strategies and doesn't fall apart in their absence. The times he didn't do the above that I observed were times where he was pulling rabbits out of hats to 'change it up' with phoenix harass. His mechanics, game sense, and multitasking were never up to the caliber of the likes of Naniwa or Hasuobs, or even Incontrol. This is all something he had the power to change himself but didn't out of laziness. All you really have to do to see the abusive Protoss players is track their performance since 1.3 and 1.4. Many started basically sucking, because they didn't have the skill to modify their approaches. Post-1.3, many in Korea started kinda sucking against zerg just because of the way the patch went to begin with, but it was a downhill decline ever since for the Protoss players that weren't able to play without their bags of tricks. You are so stupid it hurts. Which other strategies should he have been using, out of interest? You are basically abusing him for using strats that worked, then calling him out on his post 1.3 performance when ALL match ups were showing sub 50% win rates for Protoss players, even Koreans. I don't see you telling Idra to stop using muta/ling because you deem it 'abusive' for some abiguous reason only you are aware off. The part about his mechanics and him being 'lazy' are the best - how do you even know this? Hes taken games off exceptional players with very solid play! Hes quitting sc2 to go to SCHOOL. SCHOOL. How is that a bad thing? Jesus these threads man.. Good luck to Cruncher. I thought he was pretty manner, especially at MLG trying to shake Idras hand. For the record I'm an Idra fan also, I just hate retards. gl Cruncher! In hindsight i should have just QFT this comment and said GL to CrunCher lol It had to be said. Its mind blowing the legnths that some people will go in an attempt to justify an argument that is at best, fucking moronic. Idra is a great player, that doesn't mean these morons have to act like a retard 'defending' him against people who beat him in the past. Sorry I'm raging pretty hard right now.
I agree. It needed to be said, its not just Idra fan boys but they're probably the worst (I take that with a pinch of salt, because there are more of them, so of course there are going to be more retards).
I wasn't the biggest Cruncher fan because I thought the style he used in the TSL was really boring, but to criticise him for using a style that worked makes my head hurt. Frankly I think every zerg is more boring to watch then July, but I don't criticise them for choosing to play the style that wins them games.
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I dont like how everyone is/was mean to Cruncher, his playstyle was completely fine. RIP
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Sometimes you just need to set priority in life. Good decision by Cruncher I can completely understand. Best luck!
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