EPTPoll: Hardest race to play at each level of SC2? - Page 12
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Imerej
Canada291 Posts
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
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Halcyondaze
United States509 Posts
On October 02 2011 16:56 sVnteen wrote: ok guys im only masters but how can protoss ever be the hardest race? i played terran and zerg and random also but everything was WAY harder than the protoss i mean you can really do good stuff with protoss which take a lot of skill and an awful lot of multitasking but in my opinion terran is the hardest by quite a bit then zerg because of decision making and protoss at the easiest EDIT: just look at this:http://www.sc2charts.net/en/edb?zone=7for example and it shows how the metagame is by far hardest for terran right now (this is only pro level ofc) The link to your "chart" has only about 600 games recorded. So that makes no argument at all towards the current meta game. If you were to check real statistics you would see that Terran has a 57% WR vs Toss and a 53% WR against Zerg. | ||
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xsevR
United States324 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On October 03 2011 03:50 Halcyondaze wrote: The link to your "chart" has only about 600 games recorded. So that makes no argument at all towards the current meta game. If you were to check real statistics you would see that Terran has a 57% WR vs Toss and a 53% WR against Zerg. So.. any link to those real statistics? | ||
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castled
United States322 Posts
Zerg is probably harder for lower level players because scouting and reaction time along with a decent sense of timing are important, and these skills aren't close to developed until diamond/masters level. Terran is probably the most demanding race in terms of micro and multitasking as explained by others here, so at a master's level the other races will do better since those players are closer to using their race optimally. At grandmasters Terran becomes easier I suppose, because people have the skills to really unlock the race's power. And then all I can say is based off of results, Protoss makes sense as the hardest race at top level. | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On October 03 2011 03:54 xsevR wrote: Toss at the highest level is hard to play in the sense that there are certain things few people are able to do properly and consistently. I don't think I've ever seen perfect blink micro in a game, maybe a few chinese players coming the closest. No one really does warp prism templar micro perfectly yet (what about using 2-3 prisms?). In pro games, you still see terrible forcefields frequently (split half army, all zealots die), poor phoenix/void ray micro... there's actually some skill required to do this. At the highest level, everyone has the necessary apm to handle the macro/micro of their race, but perfect strategical/tactical execution is different.... most people have stutter stepping figured out. Very little people give credit to MC for having this skill. Strategically, I don't think MC is top notch but his quick and accurate decision making/execution is what used to put MC up there. To consistently force field well is very hard given all the different possibilities when it comes to units/terrain/how many units/etc. Most people think its ffff and spam it like mad, sadly it isnt the case. FF placement make some of the biggest differences in mini skirmishes/battles. | ||
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
That's the whole point... | ||
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Theovide
Sweden914 Posts
On October 03 2011 03:50 Halcyondaze wrote: The link to your "chart" has only about 600 games recorded. So that makes no argument at all towards the current meta game. If you were to check real statistics you would see that Terran has a 57% WR vs Toss and a 53% WR against Zerg. Afaik the real statistics you are talking about was pre 1.4, meanwhile this is after 1.4, and as terran was quite soundly nerfed in 1.4 these charts could well be representative of the current w/l. Doesn't mean it's imbalanced though as the patch is still fresh it can be temproary as terrans haven't adjusted with their nerfs. Nor does win percentage have much with what is hardest to play, or well I guess that depends on the definition of hardest to play, some would say per defintion the race with the lowest w/l is the hardest to play. | ||
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Chronald
United States619 Posts
On October 02 2011 17:05 ondik wrote: Z T P P I don't see how terran's hardest for diamond/masters, the players there are good enough to abuse majority of things the race offers. This. Once you can build marines non-stop and then box your scvs and all-in as a Diamond or Master level player, you can win with a massive winrate. As opposed to P or Z where you have to build more than workers and one unit to win (well not always true for Z, it usually is). Terran all-ins make them way easier to play at D/M level than any other race. Also - if you want to use charts about top level players, please refer to the Progamer ranking page found here : http://www.sc2charts.net/en/edb/ranking/players As you will see, the first Protoss on this list is MC at #8. The next protoss is Naniwa at 17! HuK 21, Mana 25. So that means at top level, there are 4 protoss players in the top 25. What does that tell you about difficulty? | ||
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HardCorey
United States709 Posts
Did you pick your own race for the poll of your rank/division? | ||
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Sith Inquisitor
Germany113 Posts
And you can't just queue up 5 more gateways with 1 Probe. | ||
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Kaitokid
Germany1327 Posts
[QUOTE]On October 02 2011 17:05 ondik wrote: [url=http://www.sc2charts.net/en/edb/ranking/players]http://www.sc2charts.net/en/edb/ranking/players[/url] As you will see, the first Protoss on this list is MC at #8. The next protoss is Naniwa at 17! HuK 21, Mana 25. So that means at top level, there are 4 protoss players in the top 25. What does that tell you about difficulty?[/QUOTE] If you want a straight answer, nothing. | ||
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Br33zyy
United States296 Posts
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Theovide
Sweden914 Posts
On October 03 2011 04:06 Chronald wrote: This. Once you can build marines non-stop and then box your scvs and all-in as a Diamond or Master level player, you can win with a massive winrate. As opposed to P or Z where you have to build more than workers and one unit to win (well not always true for Z, it usually is). Terran all-ins make them way easier to play at D/M level than any other race. Also - if you want to use charts about top level players, please refer to the Progamer ranking page found here : http://www.sc2charts.net/en/edb/ranking/players As you will see, the first Protoss on this list is MC at #8. The next protoss is Naniwa at 17! HuK 21, Mana 25. So that means at top level, there are 4 protoss players in the top 25. What does that tell you about difficulty? That's silly, you cannot base that terran is the easiest on master/dia because of the 3rax all in. Nearly no players use that at masters/dia level, because it actually doesn't give you a lot of success. | ||
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msjakofsky
1169 Posts
On October 03 2011 03:19 secretary bird wrote: What is the difference? It is always easy to be unsuccesful but if you re trying to win but cant it was too hard. Unless you mean the skill cap for Protoss in GM for example isnt high enough so its not harder to play but they cant actually play at a higher level to get the win because its not possible to win if the terran or zerg plays too good or something? thanks for proving my point if zerg didn't have queens, creep, and had only 1 fighting unit, hydra for example- zerg would be the easiest race to play, but the hardest to succeed with. entirely different things you know, just like a car with servo wheel is easier to drive than one without it, but if the 2nd car is faster it's still easier to win a speed race with it. Protoss macro mechanics are obviously the easiest due to warpgate and chrono being more straight forward than larva/orbital spells. one could argue that micro is the most important/difficult for toss, but still 90% of the people here just wote on protoss cuz they have the worst statistics in korea, which obviously doesn't mean they're the hardest to play. not having succesful strategies =/= hardest to play. at the highest levels the question is probably related with skill cap of mechanics, which is the highest for terran in my opinion. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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msjakofsky
1169 Posts
On October 03 2011 04:22 GreEny K wrote: Just as in BW, the easiest to play in low levels is Protoss. That's because their units are the strongest and players can just run over others with mass units. In the higher levels, it is the hardest because you actually need timings to win, you can't just mass up a ball and win all day. the question wasn't "which race is hardest to win with", we have statistics for that. | ||
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Lobber
Canada414 Posts
Good has a NA account he offrace P on, or at least that's what people were saying earlier... | ||
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Mista_Masta
Netherlands557 Posts
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)))) Look at SjoW or GoOdy or... and those are not only GrandMasters but top pros. A lot of GM don't have multitasking.
