EPTOn October 15 2011 21:27 ElBlanco wrote:
Where do people keep getting this from? I've read it quite a few times and it's just flat out wrong. Terran has good representation in GM and masters, struggles a bit in diamond/platinum (but still ok) and tends to dominate below that.
How the the hell does that show terrans below the 'APM spamming range' struggling.
Quite frankly the numbers simply don't agree with what you're saying. Just like the people you were complaining about you're just another player trying to make it sound like they have it harder than everyone else.
I'm sorry but this is such absolute crap. The only protoss and zerg players you hear say that are non koreans which is irrelevant considering the standard of training for non korean players as well (although i'm pretty sure someone like MMA said they don't train much because of a wrist problem, don't remember who). What about someone like TLO who can't train much?
Also i would like you post a list of all these supposed top protoss and zerg players who claim they barely train. I doubt you could find many and i doubt they have much success.
In Korea (which is the main place people talk about balance) all the players train incredibly hard so your point doesn't mean much.
Seriously give me a list of any Korean players for any race with little RTS experience, what a silly point. Hell even outside of Korea you see very few players actually succeeding without an RTS background.
Where do people keep getting this from? I've read it quite a few times and it's just flat out wrong. Terran has good representation in GM and masters, struggles a bit in diamond/platinum (but still ok) and tends to dominate below that.
How the the hell does that show terrans below the 'APM spamming range' struggling.
Quite frankly the numbers simply don't agree with what you're saying. Just like the people you were complaining about you're just another player trying to make it sound like they have it harder than everyone else.
I'm sorry but this is such absolute crap. The only protoss and zerg players you hear say that are non koreans which is irrelevant considering the standard of training for non korean players as well (although i'm pretty sure someone like MMA said they don't train much because of a wrist problem, don't remember who). What about someone like TLO who can't train much?
Also i would like you post a list of all these supposed top protoss and zerg players who claim they barely train. I doubt you could find many and i doubt they have much success.
In Korea (which is the main place people talk about balance) all the players train incredibly hard so your point doesn't mean much.
Seriously give me a list of any Korean players for any race with little RTS experience, what a silly point. Hell even outside of Korea you see very few players actually succeeding without an RTS background.
Divide regions up, and you'll see that below GM down to silver, Terran has the smallest representation on foreign servers. In the diamond range, Terran only makes up about a quarter of the league, which is quite abysmal in comparison. Meanwhile, in Korea, where many more players have apm intensive experience in BW, Terran representation is respectable and even quite large in the top leagues.
For the players claiming not to practice very much: Idra took a small break when he got back from Korea, Fruitdealer (who has somewhat faded from the scene), and Trickster. These are the main ones coming to mind, who are all Korean trained players. They maintained relatively successful results for quite a bit of time while claiming not to train very hard.
Also, I'm debating over a spectrum. The (semi)pro scene evolves much more beyond the walls of the GOMTV studio. Top levels of play must include quite a wide range to be statistically and logically reliable. From the semi-pro level, we get players like minigun and destiny who have had very strong showings at times. I know destiny has at least taken a series off of bomber.
If you want to argue ONLY over GSL Code S, then you don't even know how skill works. It should be said and understood that for a majority of those players, if they played another race, they would STILL be in Code S. There are no players who clearly shouldn't be there due to racial abuse.
