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I played zerg until diamond and then switched to protoss and am now masters and I agree with the polls, even though my case has been quite different.
I played BW as all 3 races quite casually/poorly and watched a lot of pro SC2 before I even got a computer good enough to run it (lol). So by the time I started playing I had an excellent grasp on strategy, considering I was starting from Bronze. It was relatively easy to rise up to Diamond, but I can see how it is very tough to get that high as Zerg for most. It definitely feels like a ton more work. Like, when you open 15h 15p vs. terran you have to learn all the reactions to what he does, but all he has to know is that he indeed can go 2port banshee off of 1 base.
Then I switched to Protoss because playing ZvP felt really shitty.
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I think people confusing race difficulty with hard is to win with certain race.
On October 08 2011 15:11 shawster wrote:
i play random
z's stupidly easy once you get past gold. players don't know how to apply pressure effectively besides all ins. then when you hit masters people start doing gay stuff or they actually know how to siege there drop there spread units micro efficiently etcetc. of course before that making units vs making drones is the hardest acquired skill in the game for a new player.
Care to explain why zerg is "stupidly easy" past gold?
This thread is full of nonsense and biased opinions.
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If i look at these polls, the conclusion is simple: zerg is toughest race overall.
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Terran is definitely the hardest at Diamond/Master level. I went from bronze to diamond as terran, and I can't just straight up out macro the other player any more. At diamond it gets to the point where everyone has as good macro as I do, so Terran has to rely on drops and good engagements to win. This is tough because terran has the hardest micro/multitasking requirements. This is why KR terrans are doing amazing, because they have the mechanics to use the race to its full potential.
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This is obviously completely subjective and depends on what you're good at. For me, Terran has definitely been the easiest race in diamond, think I was at around 80% winrate.
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Don't even understand why there is a poll from GM and Pro... GMs / pros that voted in that are hardly the majority. These polls/this thread is pretty useless and just biased.
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Angry gold zergs voting for Diamond/Master and GM/Pro lol. "I'm not playing at that level, but from what I have seen with my biased opinion I can say that" and " We all know that x(where it mostly is Z and P) is weakest race" are not valid arguments lol.
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On October 08 2011 18:31 Alpina wrote:I think people confusing race difficulty with hard is to win with certain race. Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 15:11 shawster wrote:
i play random
z's stupidly easy once you get past gold. players don't know how to apply pressure effectively besides all ins. then when you hit masters people start doing gay stuff or they actually know how to siege there drop there spread units micro efficiently etcetc. of course before that making units vs making drones is the hardest acquired skill in the game for a new player. Care to explain why zerg is "stupidly easy" past gold? .
He explained. Its RIGHT THERE in his post. Right after the very line you asked about. Are you so blinded by zerg tears that you couldnt even handle reading the rest of it?
players don't know how to apply pressure effectively besides all ins.
and maybe you missed this part where he explains why its no longer easy after masters
then when you hit masters people start doing gay stuff or they actually know how to siege there drop there spread units micro efficiently etcetc
There you go
On October 08 2011 18:42 GotTheLife wrote:
Terran is definitely the hardest at Diamond/Master level. I went from bronze to diamond as terran, and I can't just straight up out macro the other player any more. At diamond it gets to the point where everyone has as good macro as I do, so Terran has to rely on drops and good engagements to win. This is tough because terran has the hardest micro/multitasking requirements. This is why KR terrans are doing amazing, because they have the mechanics to use the race to its full potential.
My race is hardest at the level i play at because i play it
Maybe before you say terran is 'definitely' the hardest at diamond/master, you should try getting to masters with zerg and toss
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On October 08 2011 22:53 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 18:31 Alpina wrote:I think people confusing race difficulty with hard is to win with certain race. On October 08 2011 15:11 shawster wrote:
i play random
z's stupidly easy once you get past gold. players don't know how to apply pressure effectively besides all ins. then when you hit masters people start doing gay stuff or they actually know how to siege there drop there spread units micro efficiently etcetc. of course before that making units vs making drones is the hardest acquired skill in the game for a new player. Care to explain why zerg is "stupidly easy" past gold? . He explained. Its RIGHT THERE in his post. Right after the very line you asked about. Are you so blinded by zerg tears that you couldnt even handle reading the rest of it? and maybe you missed this part where he explains why its no longer easy after masters Show nested quote +then when you hit masters people start doing gay stuff or they actually know how to siege there drop there spread units micro efficiently etcetc There you go
I didn't understand a word he said..
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I am just going to say this I have gotten to masters with zerg and terran and gotten to diamond with toss.
I honestly dont think any race is harder then the other because they all have different mechanics and its hard to say. Sure while I play a race and lose I will be like wow this race is so dumb. But that is just in the moment rage.
I honestly think the races have to different playstyles to even tell which one is harder.
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from personal expirience as a random player, zerg was the hardest for me in bronze and silver. in gold and plat, zerg became my best and terran was the hardest for me. in diamond i find protoss really difficult and zerg still my best.
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Only random playing people have any relevant input to this question, like two posters above this post.
Outside of random players this is just another baseless (and heated) opinion poll like balance discussions tend to be. People try to hide their natural race bias, some better, some not so well.
"I remember back in beta when i was at that level, race X seemed kindof hard to play against, it must be the easy race." "I think race Y has a lot of losses in korean pro level, I vote that" <- with this kind of nonsense reasoning. And then bringing macro and scouting and whatnot arguments to the table to create an infinite loop of arguments which can't be proven or disproven.
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At Bronze - Platinum macro is most important, and hitting injects perfectly is a bit more of a chore than queuing. Zerg is also more susceptible to cheese at those levels, until diamond+ where most zerg can defend cheese.
At Diamond-Masters the skill ceiling for terran seems to rise much faster than protoss or zerg, simply because of their macro mechanics and necessary tactics.
At GM-Pro Level, protoss are the least successful at the moment, so its hardest to play them 
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I think asking a Random GM player who started in Bronze would give you the most accurate answers. Some of the "zerg" answers in the lower leagues I find completely wrong here....
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On October 08 2011 22:53 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 18:31 Alpina wrote:I think people confusing race difficulty with hard is to win with certain race. On October 08 2011 15:11 shawster wrote:
i play random
z's stupidly easy once you get past gold. players don't know how to apply pressure effectively besides all ins. then when you hit masters people start doing gay stuff or they actually know how to siege there drop there spread units micro efficiently etcetc. of course before that making units vs making drones is the hardest acquired skill in the game for a new player. Care to explain why zerg is "stupidly easy" past gold? . He explained. Its RIGHT THERE in his post. Right after the very line you asked about. Are you so blinded by zerg tears that you couldnt even handle reading the rest of it? and maybe you missed this part where he explains why its no longer easy after masters Show nested quote +then when you hit masters people start doing gay stuff or they actually know how to siege there drop there spread units micro efficiently etcetc There you go Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 18:42 GotTheLife wrote:
Terran is definitely the hardest at Diamond/Master level. I went from bronze to diamond as terran, and I can't just straight up out macro the other player any more. At diamond it gets to the point where everyone has as good macro as I do, so Terran has to rely on drops and good engagements to win. This is tough because terran has the hardest micro/multitasking requirements. This is why KR terrans are doing amazing, because they have the mechanics to use the race to its full potential. My race is hardest at the level i play at because i play it Maybe before you say terran is 'definitely' the hardest at diamond/master, you should try getting to masters with zerg and toss
LOL the poll even agrees that terran is harder at diamond/master. Toss/zerg is pure macro at this level, while it's up to the terran to harass and do damage. Toss/zerg can just sit back and defend all game, but if terran does the same thing they lose.
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On October 02 2011 17:09 CatNzHat wrote:
I currently think that terran has the highest skill cap, the the koreans would seem to agree.
In masters league on NA, i find that terran is the most mechanically challenging of the races, and has the least forgiving decision making, if you miss read and react with improper tech, you're usually gonna be way behind due to having invested a ton in production that can't be use otherwise, compared to toss and zerg which have much more forgiving tech trees (build robo, no biggie immortals are very versatile and obs are required anyways for mobile detection, build roach warren, no biggie, just don't make roaches).
High masters terran btw (rank 400 masters NA atm).
Posts like these I find so odd. If you don't play all three races, how are you supposed to accurately judge which ones are harder to play? Sure those things you mentioned are hard for terran (or not, as I actually disagree with them), but what about all the hard things about zerg and protoss that you've never been exposed to?
I'm high masters with terran and low masters with zerg/protoss.
My personal experience has lead me to believe that Zerg is BY FAR the toughest. This might change with more games played, but right now it certainly seems so.
~750 games of terran
~100 games of zerg
~30 games of protoss
Terran mechanics are just so forgiving. Their micro and macro is both simple and easy to execute. And if you slip up your macro rhythm, you just spam a bunch of Mules (or Super Depots). Marines are SOOO versatile. I got to Masters Terran long before I had any clue how to play this game, and once there, it was very easy to just learn as I went and I moved up the ranks.
ZERG? Miss a larva inject? screwed. Miss an overlord? screwed. Guessed the attack was coming at 8:00 instead of 7:30? screwed. Guessed the attack was at 7:30 instead of 8:00? probably screwed. Missed expanding your creep? screwed.
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On October 15 2011 05:31 Mora wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 17:09 CatNzHat wrote:
I currently think that terran has the highest skill cap, the the koreans would seem to agree.
In masters league on NA, i find that terran is the most mechanically challenging of the races, and has the least forgiving decision making, if you miss read and react with improper tech, you're usually gonna be way behind due to having invested a ton in production that can't be use otherwise, compared to toss and zerg which have much more forgiving tech trees (build robo, no biggie immortals are very versatile and obs are required anyways for mobile detection, build roach warren, no biggie, just don't make roaches).
High masters terran btw (rank 400 masters NA atm). Posts like these I find so odd. If you don't play all three races, how are you supposed to accurately judge which ones are harder to play? Sure those things you mentioned are hard for terran (or not, as I actually disagree with them), but what about all the hard things about zerg and protoss that you've never been exposed to? I'm high masters with terran and low masters with zerg/protoss. My personal experience has lead me to believe that Zerg is BY FAR the toughest. This might change with more games played, but right now it certainly seems so. ~750 games of terran ~100 games of zerg ~30 games of protoss Terran mechanics are just so forgiving. Their micro and macro is both simple and easy to execute. And if you slip up your macro rhythm, you just spam a bunch of Mules (or Super Depots). Marines are SOOO versatile. I got to Masters Terran long before I had any clue how to play this game, and once there, it was very easy to just learn as I went and I moved up the ranks. ZERG? Miss a larva inject? screwed. Miss an overlord? screwed. Guessed the attack was coming at 8:00 instead of 7:30? screwed. Guessed the attack was at 7:30 instead of 8:00? probably screwed. Missed expanding your creep? screwed.
A bit too much hyperbole, I think you should tone it down and realize that zerg isn't instantly screwed if you don't do everything perfect.
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Zerg
Zerg
Terran
Protoss
were my votes.
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I think sc2 is pretty much the same as bw in terms of which race is hardest.
Protoss = easiest for newbs, a-move units etc but becomes very hard at pro level when terran and zerg have great micro and multitasking
Terran = hard for newbs because it takes multitasking, on pro level where players have insane multitasking, micro and macro, terran excells
Zerg = somewhere in between because they are strange compared to T and P,different kind of macro, very strong lategame on pro level
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fun story, im a grandmaster terran, played toss for fun for a few days adn took out gm players :D
also funny that there are over 2k votes on gm lvl when players below that lvl cant even tell which race is hardest to play there
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