EPTSo I think at lower levels the zerg has an advantage with one hotkey macro as well as units that do better when the opponent has bad micro.
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Horseballs
United States721 Posts
So I think at lower levels the zerg has an advantage with one hotkey macro as well as units that do better when the opponent has bad micro. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
z z z/t (not sure - I'm not in this league yet~) P/Z (not sure - I'm not in this league yet~) | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
Zerg is pretty unforgiving low levels, and bronze-plat zergs do not build very many macro hatches. High level... well... | ||
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CeliosB
Canada100 Posts
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On October 02 2011 17:00 Monkeyballs25 wrote: Definitely Zerg at bronze/silver. You have to learn how to scout properly quite a bit earlier than the other two races, your early game defence is quite fragile and you can't rely on a nice easy 1 base timing push build. Wouldn't like a 6 pool or some kind of 10 pool speedling/baneling all in work quite well at bronze level? | ||
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riff
United States113 Posts
Broadly speaking, this matches up with my own experience and thoughts on the relative learning curves of each race. Zergs have a tough time in the lower leagues, but I think the curve flattens out a bit once they hit diamond/masters. Protoss have the opposite situation, and Terrans are somewhere in the middle. Clearly at the highest level, they are dominating, but I think the majority of Terrans tend to plateau around the Diamond/Masters level. I know I certainly feel like I've hit a brick wall in Diamond as a T. | ||
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-Dustin-
United States718 Posts
Well my dreams were crumbled with a few days on the ladder.(I played like 200 custom games vs AI and watched like 20+ dailys before even touching ladder.(Had ladder fear)) So I get on expecting to be the offense keeping them on the defense... I learned quickly that bunkers, cannons, voids, DTs, Banshees would completely wreck my thoughts on the game. (I mean yeah this stuff is easy now but I'm still talking about Bronze-Plat level. I found out that the MIGHTY SWARM THAT DEVOURED EVERYTHING had to play on the defensive side of things... The lower levels you lose ALOT to not knowing what the other player is doing as scouting and reading the information isn't that easy. Example: You walk up a Terrans ramp and its walled off you see 1 Rax so you expect 2Rax pressure or Hellion expand. Then a 6Rax with SCVs comes at you and you have 4 Lings 2 Queens and a Spine you just started its GG. I'm not saying that the other races do not lose to these things, because they do. But Zerg in my opinion is at an even greater risk than the others. Because the race is purely about scouting information and that's hard for lower levels to read what they just scouted. For Diamond I say Zerg again (Maybe I'm biased) but I spent most of my diamond days getting crushed by 6Gates, 7?Gate Blink, Death balls, 11/11 Bunker rushes, and Marine Tank compositions. With really no idea how to defend this stuff, I mean a Diamond Zerg can see a 6Gate coming and lose to it never the less. I also feel in the lower levels(Well in all levels Injects are less forgiving.) Yes if a Terran misses Mules or a Toss misses Chrono they are behind, but, that energy builds up and if you don't let it reach 100 you can just use the extra ones and didn't really miss anything. But for Zerg missing your Injects well that means oh well. Its less forgiving in that way. Also creep spread is a great thing to have and its just another thing Zergs have to remember and at the low level remembering Injects/Scouting/Expanding/Droning when safe its hard to remember when to spread that creep. It also happens alot in the lower leagues happened to me as well, You hear from the great Zergs "Drone hard and win but don't over Drone and die" so we Drone hard and get destroyed, Recently I have been favoring fewer Drones more units and its working out so well. (Thank you aXa for ZvT guide<3) Then you look at that units Zerg has Baneling when in the lower levels I found my self accidentally sacing all my Banelings on Tanks/Maruaders. It was really annoying back when ZvT was bio and they would just spam stim and kite the Marines and I would sac my Baneling because I was "focusing on macro! as suggested by higher levels". The Ultras are a real problem for Zergs in the lower levels as they need a hell of a lot of babysitting or else they are going to get stuck and suicide. The ZvZ matchup also frustrates many Zergs into quiting the race due to Ling/Bling allins early, They are annoying and 1 mistake will end it. But mirrors aren't supposed to be fun imo looking at you PvP 4gate all day erry'day. I also don't feel like playing Zerg is as fun as the other races! I mean I love going into 2v2s just to play Terran/Toss and doing Stargates/Mships/Mech/MMTank its all fun as hell to execute. I never get that feeling with Zerg, unless using aXas style and wrecking a Terran with Ultras before he gets his third up. In the pro level I feel Protoss but that's only because I don't see them doing well in tourneys maybe that's just the players not exploring their race to the fullest. I don't see any reason why they would be harder except the fact that they don't use all their spell casters to their full potential Ie: when having sentries and they build Templar all you see is storms and feedbacks instead of FFs or Shields, Yes Templar are better but use them both! I hear most Toss complain "Thats not easy using 2 spell casters while macroing as well!" but I always hear Toss gloat "we are a micro race it takes more work than Zerg micro!" (This is on a masters level not pro) I agree it does using Templar and Sentries together, but when you don't do it why build both? Zerg really isn't micro-oriented its macro which is easier to control in the pro-games. But pro Zergs still get punished by what the lower levels do ie: 6Gates/11/11 Bunkers. Its all the same for a Zerg no matter what level it is on. So in my opinion Z Z Z P. | ||
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
It's interesting that no one has mentioned that this kind of examination is exactly what Blizzard tries to even out when the balance for low-end play. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
On October 03 2011 04:10 Sith Inquisitor wrote: Terran has alot of need for Micro and Multitasking if you wanna be really good. Drops, Marine Micro, Siege Tanks, Vikings/Ghosts... And you can't just queue up 5 more gateways with 1 Probe. Actually, in Starcraft 2, SCVs are nearly as easy to use as Probes. You just need to grab five SCVs and build five Barracks. You're likely thinking about Starcraft Broodwar, where building multiple buildings quickly was quite the task. | ||
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Ermac
336 Posts
On October 03 2011 04:26 Lobber wrote: Good has a NA account he offrace P on, or at least that's what people were saying earlier... So you're basically not even sure it was Goody, but if it was Goody he was off-racing as Protoss on the NA server. Ok. Let's assume it was Goody and he didn't seem very pro-like to you. Well, obvious things first - he was off-racing. Even if he can off-race on Grandmaster Level there's still a world of difference between your average Grandmaster player and a Progamer. Furthermore not playing very impressively may very well mean he just didn't have to. Recently I watched Stephano start his account on the NA server. After a while he got matched vs. a mid/high Master Protoss who obviously didn't know who he was. He destroyed him with speedling only. Certainly didn't look very pro-like to the toss as he called him a lucky idiot doing the dumbest shit he had ever seen before leaving the game. My point is, either way it's highly unlikely that your game vs. that guy who possibly was Goody was representative for his average let alone maximum skill. | ||
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NightHawk929
79 Posts
T T P I just answered based off of what i remember from the lower leagues, how I'm playing right now and the current pro scene. | ||
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Hexxed
United States202 Posts
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Monkeyballs25
531 Posts
On October 03 2011 04:54 Euronyme wrote: Wouldn't like a 6 pool or some kind of 10 pool speedling/baneling all in work quite well at bronze level? That's a good question. When I first started playing in silver in season 1 I remember that my few 6pool attempts ended in miserable failure. And likewise whenever a zerg tried to 6pool me I was able to fend them off by simplying A-moving my drones at him until my own lings finished. The 10 pool baneling bust all-in does sound a bit more viable but I've never really tried it. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
 Don't forget to take into account how micro is much more difficult once you play a Zerg who knows how to macro, downright scary. Actually, I would say the scariest moment I've had in a TvsZ was when I realized that my Zerg opponent had a ton of slings+banes or he just went mass banes XD | ||
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Deleted User 109835
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FataLe
New Zealand4561 Posts
High Masters Protoss. Little bias I guess :3 | ||
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kofman
Andorra698 Posts
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)))) Look at SjoW or GoOdy or... and those are not only GrandMasters but top pros. A lot of GM don't have multitasking.
