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Lack of content, flaming (of the French or anyone) and useless posts will be punished. Please keep it from being too inflammatory and keep discussion on-topic. -semioldguy (p.103)

Update: Please read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267506#1 and continue the discussion there.
Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 20:19:56
September 19 2011 20:19 GMT
#961
On September 20 2011 05:14 MandoRelease wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:04 Koorb wrote:
BTW, Millenium's manager is saying on stream right now that he doesn't intend to send Stephano in international event more than he used to, and will focus on the french scene.


Oh please, the french scene is exactly what player should avoid. Millenium's manager really fails to see all what's wrong in that scene. A shame.

This is what makes me sad, basically why ToD said he left Mill in an interview, sponsors have no interest in foreign scene outside of France much, particularly Korea....
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 20:20:28
September 19 2011 20:19 GMT
#962
On September 20 2011 05:17 Tanith wrote:
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On September 20 2011 05:13 Maxtor wrote:
That is just really making a mockery of e-sports, a legally binding contract is exactly that, its not a handshake deal, stephano knew what he was signing, if the contract isnt honoured id really want to know the consequences.


The whole point is though under French law that contract wasn't worth the paper it was written on, he basically signed his name on a napkin to get a nice salary bump from Mil. What he Stephano did was pretty shitty in the eyes of everyone here it seems, in all honesty if he was happy at Mil and used coL to get a salary boost then good on him, smart head for an 18yr old kid!


Except that he didn't get a salary bump and instead of flying all over the world, getting paid decently and training in korea, he'll now be aiming his attention on the french scene, on a much lower salary, hardly attending any international event.

Which I personally think is an awesome way to keep yourself irrelevant when it comes to the global scene.
hYrasD
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany164 Posts
September 19 2011 20:19 GMT
#963
Dont get it.

col. would fly him to MLG´s, great Salary, he cloud train in korea proberly in the MVP house because of the col.MVP deal, with great players like Genuis, sC and DRG + col. is a big organization for a decade in the esports scene. But he got cold feet an spit on the whole contract so grz now u stay for ur whole sc2 life too Mill.After this drama none of the major teams(mouse,EG,TL or Dignitas) would sign him.
IMMVP || coLMVPDRG || SlayerSMMA || EG DeMusliM || Hwaiting!
Koorb
Profile Joined March 2011
France266 Posts
September 19 2011 20:20 GMT
#964
On September 20 2011 05:18 gullberg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:16 Koorb wrote:
On September 20 2011 05:06 ravemir wrote:
Can anyone who understands fluent French listen to the stream and report what the guy is saying?

http://www.millenium.org/home/milleniumtv/?chaine=millenium_tv


Live Report:

Mille's manager states that Stephano didn't get a raise from Millenium after the incident.

I don't believe that for a second to be frank... The manager keeps spewing out ridiculous comments.


I don't believe him too, I'm just live reporting his words.
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Saltydizzle
Profile Joined July 2011
United States123 Posts
September 19 2011 20:20 GMT
#965
Col is turning into eg, ugh.....
netsky4
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria511 Posts
September 19 2011 20:20 GMT
#966
On September 20 2011 05:13 FaRess wrote:
Live Report : The manager stated that this is not happening because stephano was trying to get the best offer

Requoting!
It would be great if this gets to the OP
Tehs Tehklz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States330 Posts
September 19 2011 20:20 GMT
#967
On September 20 2011 05:09 Koorb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:06 ravemir wrote:
Can anyone who understands fluent French listen to the stream and report what the guy is saying?

http://www.millenium.org/home/milleniumtv/?chaine=millenium_tv


Lwl states he didn't even read coL's mail, and that he will direct them toward the nearest french court.


Wow. Fuck that guy.That is a serious dick move. Not cool.
gladsheim
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia676 Posts
September 19 2011 20:20 GMT
#968
On September 20 2011 05:18 Vadrigar wrote:
Today 9:30 CET, Stephano gets a visit from Millenium Manager (MM).

MM: Good morning, Steph! What did you do you, my son? Why are you doing this to me? Is it because of money?
*throws 100 euro bills at his feet*
Eh?
*throws more euros*
There! We have more money than you can ever dream for! We're the most visited site on the frenchwebz (excluding TL france of course)! You're like a son to me! Remember when you were 17 I taught you how to larva inject! I love you, my boy! You can't leave me! We're French! French stick together! Why would you go to the Americans? French have honor, dignity... *French rant for 120 minutes*
So did they make you sign a paper or something? Show it to me!
Stephano: Here it is.
*MM calls his friend Pierre who studied a year of law, but dropped out. They speak for 5 minutes.*
MM: Pfff. That's bullshit, my boy! See here, it says "This contract is valid under the laws of the state of New York." LOL New York. We're French we can do whatever we want. Take the money and stay with France I tell you!
Stephano: OK.

P.S. really disappointed in Stephano right now...


thanks for the translation and info
IronMonocle
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada142 Posts
September 19 2011 20:20 GMT
#969
Stephano's contract with compLexity made him one of the highest paid SC2 players in the world


Source needed

This is an interesting development. IF the contract is actually legally binding as is mentioned than Stephano would have to pay the penalty for breaching said contract. Complexity is mad understandably, but sometimes things don't work out when you fish for talent on other teams. Try using your own talent from Complexity Acadamy, i thought that is what it's there for.
My armor is contempt. My shield is disgust. My sword is hatred.
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
September 19 2011 20:20 GMT
#970
On September 20 2011 05:18 Vadrigar wrote:
Today 9:30 CET, Stephano gets a visit from Millenium Manager (MM).

MM: Good morning, Steph! What did you do, my son? Why are you doing this to me? Is it because of money?
*throws 100 euro bills at his feet*
Eh?
*throws more euros*
There! We have more money than you can ever dream for! We're the most visited site on the frenchwebz (excluding TL france of course)! You're like a son to me! Remember when you were 17 I taught you how to larva inject! I love you, my boy! You can't leave me! We're French! French stick together! Why would you go to the Americans? French have honor, dignity... *French rant for 120 minutes*
So did they make you sign a paper or something? Show it to me!
Stephano: Here it is.
*MM calls his friend Pierre who studied a year of law, but dropped out. They speak for 5 minutes.*
MM: Pfff. That's bullshit, my boy! See here, it says "This contract is valid under the laws of the state of New York." LOL New York. We're French we can do whatever we want. Take the money and stay with France I tell you!
Stephano: OK.

P.S. really disappointed in Stephano right now...


Might not be too far off from the truth xd
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KvltMan
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden1609 Posts
September 19 2011 20:20 GMT
#971
For some reason I start thinking about GosITerran..
Get crunk
Strike_
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands704 Posts
September 19 2011 20:20 GMT
#972
So basically
Complexity : Stephano signed a contract with us and broke it.
Millenium : We are a french team with more page views than sk gaming.
????
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1616 Posts
September 19 2011 20:20 GMT
#973
On September 20 2011 05:18 Logros wrote:
Jeez with every comment that Mill manager seems to be making I dislike the team more and more.


Yeah, I've been feeling the same way. His complete insensitivity to the integrity of eSports and, even more simply, to other people, is embarassingly childish.
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Jtom
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland1044 Posts
September 19 2011 20:20 GMT
#974
On September 20 2011 05:17 two.watup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:12 ArnaudF wrote:
Btw it's Millenium not Millennium, god damnit!

Sorry that people assume it's spelled correctly.

Millenium is not a word.

Whoops, fixed in the text. I can't update the title of the thread though, sorry.
"Daddy, how did the Protossaurs go extinct?" "A giant EMP hit the earth" - Fionn
PEEFSMASH
Profile Joined March 2011
108 Posts
September 19 2011 20:20 GMT
#975
Millenium is strawman heaven.

"Don't think lesser of us because we are a French team" -___-

Nobody thinks less of you because you are French, in fact, nobody even thinks you are a bad team. You lost a bidding war so get over it.

Good luck to coL.
DertoQq
Profile Joined October 2010
France906 Posts
September 19 2011 20:20 GMT
#976
On September 20 2011 05:06 ravemir wrote:
Can anyone who understands fluent French listen to the stream and report what the guy is saying?

http://www.millenium.org/home/milleniumtv/?chaine=millenium_tv


I listened a bit :

basically, what's "important" :

"We will sign a contract with Stephano, we're going to do something serious and not going to do it at 5am and hurry and post on Team Liquid"

"Col contract means absolutely nothing"

"Yes Stephano signed a contract at 5am, Stephano show it to us the next-morning, we saw that it was nothing serious and the contract was full of mistakes, we explained this to Stephano and he agreed with us"

"His new contract with us isn't bigger than it use to be" (i'm not 100% about this one, he said in french, "son contract n'a pas été revu a la hausse")

+ he talk about Stephano wanting to "stay closer" to the french scene


"i've made some empty promises in my life, but hands down that was the most generous" - Michael Scott
tGFuRy
Profile Joined September 2010
United States537 Posts
September 19 2011 20:20 GMT
#977
Well this is disappointing. However, I am very interested on what is going to happen next. Gota love drama.
Always a Gamer
exShikari
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia237 Posts
September 19 2011 20:20 GMT
#978
On September 20 2011 05:10 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:04 Medrea wrote:
On September 20 2011 05:03 XRaDiiX wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:58 Medrea wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:55 XRaDiiX wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:52 SnoLys wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:34 gullberg wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:33 Lunas wrote:
On stephano´s Stream they sayd no contract had been signed and Millinium made 1 last offer in the last minut and comlexity was to fast to anounce it

Yeah and Stephano/his fans aren't biased at all.

Who isn't? CoL will be biased to CoL, Mil will be biased to Mil, Stephano will be biased to Stephano.

So far CoL has a history of contract "misfortunes", with Destiny, vvvTitan and now Stephano. So who to believe?


Exactly my thoughts and people thought i was crazy for Calling CoL a sneaky snake when this is the 3rd time this 'Situation' has Happened with Complexity.

Stephano was probably pressured into signing .. This is obviously apparent when Stephano so quickly changed his mind and/or didn't feel the contract was what he agreed to and/or was deceived by Complexity.



3rd times the charm


I dont think you have any idea what you are talking about. Just take a break, cold shower, fap if necessary, then come back and see what happens.



Stephano Changed his mind the next day... or soon after..

This probably means he was pressured into signing and if multiple people who posted here are right about French law then CoL. cannot sue Stephano and/or Millenium for Changing his mind because there is a 1 month grace period since the beginning of contract initiation. If he did indeed bind himself to a Contract.

And if CoL wants to take Legal action against Millenium they have bad intentions in mind since Stephano probably never wanted to be on Team Complexity.. reason being he ended up choosing to stay with Millenium...


I think you keep missing the part where he had 18 nights, 18 cold showers, 18 fap sessions to think it over. That is not what we call "pressured"


Totally Uncalled for 18 Fap Sessions? -_- Not cool

This is Stephano's Choice he wants to stay with his French Team millenium Maybe he got scared and changed his mind because he would be Home Sick

No it's not his choice anymore. He signed a legally binding document, if he changes his mind afterwards then that's his problem. Millenium have just lost a lot of credibility over this whole debacle, and Stephano too.

The fact that he's 17 as well has nothing to do with it. When I was 17 I knew what I was signing, it's called reading the contract.
It is, in the end, whatever the Hell I want it to be, And when I'm through with it, it's gonna blow a hole, This wide, straight through the worlds own idea of itself. They're throwing bottles at your house. Come on, lets go break their arms.
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
September 19 2011 20:20 GMT
#979
On September 20 2011 05:18 gullberg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:16 Koorb wrote:
On September 20 2011 05:06 ravemir wrote:
Can anyone who understands fluent French listen to the stream and report what the guy is saying?

http://www.millenium.org/home/milleniumtv/?chaine=millenium_tv


Live Report:

Mille's manager states that Stephano didn't get a raise from Millenium after the incident.

I don't believe that for a second to be frank... The manager keeps spewing out ridiculous comments.

yea... so stephano decided to reneg on his contract for less money? I call bs lol
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
September 19 2011 20:21 GMT
#980
Wait... So what is mill offering stephano?

coL: "We'll give you one of the highest salaries in SC2 and send you around the world to tournaments, and to korea to practice with the MVP team"


Mill: "Hey kid, if you sign with us we'll let you stay in France"

I must be missing something huge here
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