On September 25 2011 17:34 okrane wrote: I am browsing this thread and stand here amazed at this phenomenon. People love scandal, bad mannerism, drama and flock to it like little girls to a *bad boy*'s pop concert. I see everyone pretty much stating that "this is the reason" why they love IdrA.
Do you love spoiled brats for constant whining? Do you like toxic personalities sprouting unconstructive phrases all over the place? Seriously, why such idolization for such a whiny little bitch?
What's even more funny is that, in real life, someone with his behaviour would be at first ridiculed by the entire group, then shun upon and finally completely ignored.
For a "whiny little bitch", he sure as hell has a decent life with that team house, salary and skillz. Might want to consider the choice of words.
Yeah.... that was exactly his point.
I used to think you were a good poster.
I don't understand how that makes him a whiny little bitch. In addition, his real life is video-games and he's getting paid a lot for being a marketable self but also being good at something that is heralded within this community/competition.
I don't think anyone would ridicule and shun someone who has social stature, healthy income and a lot of friends, talent (or some sort) and/or skill. He's traveled several parts of the world, won and placed high in a lot of tournament and thousands of people watch his stream and companies want him in their commercials or amongst their products/advertising their products.
I'm not a fan of his ex-girlfriend, but I can't deny that she is attractive/worth some social stereotypical stature.
I'm confused if I am getting the point of the original quote ._____.
Do you mean that people should stop saying that he is a whining bitch and on decline because he has lots of fans and is playing in a good team?
That's like saying that Paris Hilton is intelligent because she has got a lot of money.
I'm saying "whining bitch" is just a envious technique to demean someone who has clearly done better than you in an aspect you're calling him out on.
Choose different words that aren't discrediting or insulting to him as a person, it only makes you look weak and childish. You're no different than the person you frown upon by insulting him as he insults others.
Doesn't that make you the "whiny bitch" because people consider his achievements and disregard his associative mannerisms?
Like I said: "Might want to consider choosing different words", I'm not declining [I disagree], I'm asking for a better choice of description because what you're saying is just flat-out immature and not proving a point.
On September 25 2011 17:34 okrane wrote: I am browsing this thread and stand here amazed at this phenomenon. People love scandal, bad mannerism, drama and flock to it like little girls to a *bad boy*'s pop concert. I see everyone pretty much stating that "this is the reason" why they love IdrA.
Do you love spoiled brats for constant whining? Do you like toxic personalities sprouting unconstructive phrases all over the place? Seriously, why such idolization for such a whiny little bitch?
What's even more funny is that, in real life, someone with his behaviour would be at first ridiculed by the entire group, then shun upon and finally completely ignored.
I probably idolize him because he has strong mechanics, good money management and makes people like you infuriated with anger and jealousy!
For a "whiny little bitch", he sure as hell has a decent life with that team house, salary and skillz. Might want to consider the choice of words.
but it is stuff you would primarily hear from preteens.
God forbid! P.S: You hear it from all walks of life.
thx cpt. obvious, thats why i said primarily. just weird to me that majority(?) is entertained by stuff like this but nvm idc
On September 25 2011 17:34 okrane wrote: I am browsing this thread and stand here amazed at this phenomenon. People love scandal, bad mannerism, drama and flock to it like little girls to a *bad boy*'s pop concert. I see everyone pretty much stating that "this is the reason" why they love IdrA.
Do you love spoiled brats for constant whining? Do you like toxic personalities sprouting unconstructive phrases all over the place? Seriously, why such idolization for such a whiny little bitch?
What's even more funny is that, in real life, someone with his behaviour would be at first ridiculed by the entire group, then shun upon and finally completely ignored.
I probably idolize him because he has strong mechanics, good money management and makes people like you infuriated with anger and jealousy!
For a "whiny little bitch", he sure as hell has a decent life with that team house, salary and skillz. Might want to consider the choice of words.
but it is stuff you would primarily hear from preteens.
God forbid! P.S: You hear it from all walks of life.
thx cpt. obvious, thats why i said primarily. just weird to me that majority(?) is entertained by stuff like this but nvm idc
Yeah, weird huh? They actually like something that is against the standard of normal behavior.
On September 19 2011 16:37 NowLookHere wrote: Hahahaha... no wonder Idra hasn't won anything in forever. He's a mental midget.
Yeah, I am sure every other pro is totally all like "That guy was awesome, totally outplayed me, I wish I could be like them." when they lose.
Right or not doesn't matter, it's just not how the human mind works.
Wrong, that's just not how Idra's mind works.
Watch a post-match interview of truly elite athletes like Tom Brady, Rafael Nadal, etc, they will always admit there are things they can do better (after a big win and ESPECIALLY after a big loss). The greats know there's always room to improve and that they can only control their own play, that's why they focus on their mistakes and ways to improve. The players who are busy complaining about external factors or failing to take responsibility for their own mistakes are the ones who never achieve their potential.
Those guys don't play a game where they're expected to play against average joes for practice. They're in a community where everyone (to a certain extent) is elite. You cannot compare the two without being utterly and hopelessly biased. (Which you are.)
When an athlete in any sports loses to someone who is considered a lot weaker or an underdog they certainly dont say that he is bad after they lose. Nobody ever does that in real sports...
Really? They don't? While I don't have any physical proof off hand, I know that when the Steeler's lost an AFC championship game back in the early 2000s when they were the clear favorites, a few players said after the game, "Sometimes the better team doesn't always win."
If you've never been around professional athletes, that's fine, but to think they're all, "Well, they played a good game," you're deluding yourself. They'll say that for the media most of the time... but that's not always their real belief.
On September 26 2011 03:38 Kira__ wrote: I like how he greets everyone with a hearty "hello everyone" and then proceeds to flame the shit out of everything that moves :D
thing is here idra is right he knows what he is talking about, so many of this community have never played brood war. That was a game that takes an increible amount of skill to even get out of D which is the equivilent of bronze well maybe E.
It takes really strong mechanics and understanding for anyone to do well. Thats not to say there were really annoying things like DT drops that were the gay'est way possible to loose a game. But in sc2 there is sooooooo much of that. The whole game sc2 is increibly volatile so if you get a strong macro lead on anyone there are really stupid things like collosus banelings and maruders which are just such volatile units that can kind of accidently destory something very cost efficiently and now your loosing stupidly bad.
I my opinion sc2 battles all happen so fast everything does so much dmg so fast alot of the time its hard to actually show skill. And coupled with chrono/larva-inject/mules macro leads and often be negated quite fast.
I think sc2 has 1 to 2 years growing up before its figured out enough so we can weed out the bad players. and man there are alot of bad players even on the pro scene.
The prine thing that i hate pro players doing is not scouting and blindly doing timming X and they can get away with it because its so hard to scout gimicky crap and even with that sometimes its hard to know the cost-efficent response because its all so random yet.
On September 25 2011 17:34 okrane wrote: I am browsing this thread and stand here amazed at this phenomenon. People love scandal, bad mannerism, drama and flock to it like little girls to a *bad boy*'s pop concert. I see everyone pretty much stating that "this is the reason" why they love IdrA.
Do you love spoiled brats for constant whining? Do you like toxic personalities sprouting unconstructive phrases all over the place? Seriously, why such idolization for such a whiny little bitch?
What's even more funny is that, in real life, someone with his behaviour would be at first ridiculed by the entire group, then shun upon and finally completely ignored.
I probably idolize him because he has strong mechanics, good money management and makes people like you infuriated with anger and jealousy!
For a "whiny little bitch", he sure as hell has a decent life with that team house, salary and skillz. Might want to consider the choice of words.
but it is stuff you would primarily hear from preteens.
God forbid! P.S: You hear it from all walks of life.
thx cpt. obvious, thats why i said primarily. just weird to me that majority(?) is entertained by stuff like this but nvm idc
Yeah, weird huh? They actually like something that is against the standard of normal behavior.
IdrA's in game and SC2 related mannerisms gives off an impression of a self entitled, arrogant "snob" - if it wasn't for the countless pro gamers that vouch for his irl personality then i doubt i would have much time for him. His attitude is as close to the word disgusting as you can get for someone with his ability and while it is hilarious and provides a great laugh, he really just comes across as a bit of a tool. Just my opinion, which has little bearing;
You idolize him for his mechanics and macro ability; which is fine - but it's like idolizing Tiger Woods for his golfing ability, but refusing to judge him on his personal actions (again, not a tragedy, but still an incomplete picture.) IdrA's BM != cheating on wife, but i think the concept is still there. Saying that - i love watching him play because of his ability, but his personality is... well, lacking.
On September 25 2011 17:34 okrane wrote: I am browsing this thread and stand here amazed at this phenomenon. People love scandal, bad mannerism, drama and flock to it like little girls to a *bad boy*'s pop concert. I see everyone pretty much stating that "this is the reason" why they love IdrA.
Do you love spoiled brats for constant whining? Do you like toxic personalities sprouting unconstructive phrases all over the place? Seriously, why such idolization for such a whiny little bitch?
What's even more funny is that, in real life, someone with his behaviour would be at first ridiculed by the entire group, then shun upon and finally completely ignored.
I probably idolize him because he has strong mechanics, good money management and makes people like you infuriated with anger and jealousy!
For a "whiny little bitch", he sure as hell has a decent life with that team house, salary and skillz. Might want to consider the choice of words.
but it is stuff you would primarily hear from preteens.
God forbid! P.S: You hear it from all walks of life.
thx cpt. obvious, thats why i said primarily. just weird to me that majority(?) is entertained by stuff like this but nvm idc
Yeah, weird huh? They actually like something that is against the standard of normal behavior.
IdrA's in game and SC2 related mannerisms gives off an impression of a self entitled, arrogant "snob" - if it wasn't for the countless pro gamers that vouch for his irl personality then i doubt i would have much time for him. His attitude is as close to the word disgusting as you can get for someone with his ability and while it is hilarious and provides a great laugh, he really just comes across as a bit of a tool. Just my opinion, which has little bearing;
You idolize him for his mechanics and macro ability; which is fine - but it's like idolizing Tiger Woods for his golfing ability, but refusing to judge him on his personal actions (again, not a tragedy, but still an incomplete picture.) IdrA's BM != cheating on wife, but i think the concept is still there. Saying that - i love watching him play because of his ability, but his personality is... well, lacking.
Good thing we are following a personality game-show and not a video game competition.
Anyone who plays well and doesn't cheat deserves support, anything else related to "mannerisms" is your own digression that people shouldn't try to push on others on forums.
On September 25 2011 17:34 okrane wrote: I am browsing this thread and stand here amazed at this phenomenon. People love scandal, bad mannerism, drama and flock to it like little girls to a *bad boy*'s pop concert. I see everyone pretty much stating that "this is the reason" why they love IdrA.
Do you love spoiled brats for constant whining? Do you like toxic personalities sprouting unconstructive phrases all over the place? Seriously, why such idolization for such a whiny little bitch?
What's even more funny is that, in real life, someone with his behaviour would be at first ridiculed by the entire group, then shun upon and finally completely ignored.
I probably idolize him because he has strong mechanics, good money management and makes people like you infuriated with anger and jealousy!
For a "whiny little bitch", he sure as hell has a decent life with that team house, salary and skillz. Might want to consider the choice of words.
but it is stuff you would primarily hear from preteens.
God forbid! P.S: You hear it from all walks of life.
thx cpt. obvious, thats why i said primarily. just weird to me that majority(?) is entertained by stuff like this but nvm idc
Yeah, weird huh? They actually like something that is against the standard of normal behavior.
IdrA's in game and SC2 related mannerisms gives off an impression of a self entitled, arrogant "snob" - if it wasn't for the countless pro gamers that vouch for his irl personality then i doubt i would have much time for him. His attitude is as close to the word disgusting as you can get for someone with his ability and while it is hilarious and provides a great laugh, he really just comes across as a bit of a tool. Just my opinion, which has little bearing;
You idolize him for his mechanics and macro ability; which is fine - but it's like idolizing Tiger Woods for his golfing ability, but refusing to judge him on his personal actions (again, not a tragedy, but still an incomplete picture.) IdrA's BM != cheating on wife, but i think the concept is still there. Saying that - i love watching him play because of his ability, but his personality is... well, lacking.
Good thing we are following a personality game-show and not a video game competition.
Anyone who plays well and doesn't cheat deserves support, anything else related to "mannerisms" is your own digression that people shouldn't try to push on others on forums.
Lol i tried to make it clear by saying "just my opinion" that i wasn't try to push an idea anywhere, but just stating what i think on the issue - which is pretty much how forums exist; but i appreciate the massive assumption.
Like i said, starting to think you didn't quite read the post, i enjoy watching him play, he has an amazing ability - he just comes across as a brat, plain and simple.
People who can't deal with his BM, and instead decide to rule that it is his only 'defining' quality which makes him popular, are just idiotic in my opinion.
He's bold, blunt, and knows what the heck he talks about. For me, as a viewer and a fan, I love him as a player due to his incredible understanding of the matchups and metagame, in addition to his incredible macro and mouse control. I am a fan of his online personality because of his no bullshit attitude. It's like Jinro thing, people freak out when someone talks bluntly, and I think it just makes them look immature and idiotic.
Sorry - but people disapproving of someone telling people to go kill themselves or that they are "fucking retarded" are the immature ones? Not the person saying that stuff? It's not about "dealing" with his BM, it's just the perception of his character that it creates..
Again not saying anything about his ability or talent - that is undoubted
On September 26 2011 15:12 bkrow wrote: Sorry - but people disapproving of someone telling people to go kill themselves or that they are "fucking retarded" are the immature ones? Not the person saying that stuff? It's not about "dealing" with his BM, it's just the perception of his character that it creates..
Again not saying anything about his ability or talent - that is undoubted
Pretty much this. The amount of bm that comes out of his mouth during games is terrible, and there is NEVER a reason to bang on like. Saying stuff like you're "Fucking retarded" or "should go kill yourself" is ridiculously immature. It's kind of funny that the people that are so "retarded" are the ones that win against IdrA. If a retarded person beats you, what does that make you?
IdrA is definitely NOT retarded, it's just annoying how he carries on and makes it hard to respect the guy. He doesn't seem to handle loss very well, and do you know who else can't handle losing games? Pre-pubescents. As horrible as losing can be some times, you gotta shake it off.
I'm not telling IdrA to change, he's been doing it for most of his pro-gaming career and you can't break that habit easily and why would he do it when he has so many fans and money to live on anyway? Good luck to him and his career, but people are allowed to be offended when someone tells them to kill themselves or that they're fucking retarded for no reason other than the fact that you've won fair and square. Yes, every win is fair as long as you aren't hacking or breaking the physics of the game in some way. If you can't hold an all-in, that's YOUR fault.
In regards to what bkrow mentioned, I think that you gotta take everything you get told on the Internet, BM or otherwise (including this post, lol) with a grain of salt. It's the Internet, most people are only a small push away from keyboard-warrior-tough-guy when they're behind the screen. But of course you're allowed to be offended when someone says things like that to you, and no it's not immature to be offended when BM that can be compared to raging 12 year olds comes from an adult. Would you take it from someone if they were in person?
"This guy is awful, he's retarded, he doesn't know how to play"... no need to watch the entire thing, I swear it's a 30s sequence looping all over again -_-
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