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Ctuchik
Sweden91 Posts
On September 05 2011 23:14 Zaros wrote: when is the korea graph coming out ? I only have around 200 (non-mirror) games in TLPD for Korea this month, so it's pretty useless. There may be more games in the backlog not added yet though. For the record, P is at around 45% in those games. | ||
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Skydancer
Italy249 Posts
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Tsubbi
Germany7996 Posts
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On September 05 2011 23:25 Ctuchik wrote: I only have around 200 (non-mirror) games in TLPD for Korea this month, so it's pretty useless. There may be more games in the backlog not added yet though. For the record, P is at around 45% in those games. Really? I didn't count games that don't count for elo, I guess Protoss won a bunch of those? Or possibly I can't count! :3 ZvX: 54.95% (61-50) ZvP: 62.96% (17-10) ZvT: 52.38% (44-40) TvX: 51.90% (82-76) TvP: 56.76% (42-32) TvZ: 47.62% (40-44) PvX: 41.58% (42-59) PvT: 43.24% (32-42) PvZ: 37.04% (10-17) Total games, exluding mirrors: 185 | ||
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Ctuchik
Sweden91 Posts
On September 05 2011 23:29 Lachrymose wrote: Really? I didn't count games that don't count for elo, I guess Protoss won a bunch of those? Or possibly I can't count! :3 ZvX: 54.95% (61-50) ZvP: 62.96% (17-10) ZvT: 52.38% (44-40) TvX: 51.90% (82-76) TvP: 56.76% (42-32) TvZ: 47.62% (40-44) PvX: 41.58% (42-59) PvT: 43.24% (32-42) PvZ: 37.04% (10-17) Total games, exluding mirrors: 185 TLPD has the following: FXO KotH Korea #5 2011 RQTV Korean S.. FXO KotH Korea #4 iCCup Korean Weekl.. 2011 GSL Code S S5 2011 GSL Code A S5 2011 SuperStar Cha.. GSTL Season 1 | ||
zere
Germany1287 Posts
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
The FXO KotH, RQTV and Superstar challenge do not count toward elo and are therefore excluded from my list. | ||
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Sanchonator
Australia490 Posts
On September 05 2011 22:09 Truedot wrote: looking back at this graph I;ll give you an example. http://i.imgur.com/bdP2e.png See games in may for all races. The lowest win rate and the highest win rate oppose each other. They add up to 100 together which converts to 100%. Example 1: PvT may 45.1 vs 55.9 opposing numbers in percentages, add them together to get 100. Example 2: ZvT may. 59.3 vs 40.7 again, the numbers oppose each other. add them up to 100. this is basic math. 45.1 + 55.9 is 101... not 100 the ALL races graph doesnt work that way... the MU specific graphs do edit~ example 2 is from MU specific, example 1 is overall race stats - so example 1 is just plain wrong  | ||
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ArhK
France287 Posts
On September 05 2011 22:10 kickinhead wrote: Mhmmm.... That happens when Protoss wins most games with Timing-attacks and ppl start to figure them out IMHO, while Korean Terran-Players also know how to macro very well.... Btw. Why don't we see Death-Balls from Protoss that often anymore against Zerg? It's not like the build got nerfed or sth. I also think that Protoss will soon get a better win-stat against Terran, cuz they'll too figure out how to beat abusing timing-attacks aka the 1/1/1-Build. But I guess with the patch coming up and if Protoss utilizes the Prism more, it could even out quite a bit. I highly question the use of this Graph though, cuz most players are still using the Ladder-Maps and on those Maps, it's a totally different story, especially on high masters where so many ppl just abuse the hell out of early aggression etc. The typical deathball army of protoss is no longer that effective against Zerg due to Fungal buff; the entire clumped up ball get fungalled to death nowadays, and Neural on Colosseus is very effective. Protoss players need to shift from a "I turtle, make my big ball, A-move toward the Zerg" to "I need to scout and go HT / Archon if he goes heavy investor, and micro them". It is not that easy, a little bit like when Terran players realized they had to make one expansion before pushing against Zerg. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11060 Posts
Also the current spate of one race finals is pretty unwatchable. MLG, Code A... | ||
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
On September 05 2011 22:22 sraelgaiznaer wrote: what? how can you say its balanced? have you looked at it historically? :| What on earth does january or march results have to do with the state of the game in august? Current balance should be gauged from recent results. From these numbers, protoss isn't doing too badly, and the next patch brings considerable buffs/nerfs that overall are in great favour of protoss. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
Guys play the game, watch the game, enjoy. I even got my GSL games spoiled because of this kind of crap. if it bothers you guys that much quit playing the game or wait for the patches, complaining in forums(and please don't call it discussion, most people who want to discuss balance just want to confirm their views) is futile since nobody but Blizzard can patch the freaking game. Jeeez, sorry for venting. | ||
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Fig
United States1324 Posts
On September 06 2011 02:18 windsupernova wrote: Its a shame that all threads end up being a balance crapstorm QQ. Guys play the game, watch the game, enjoy. I even got my GSL games spoiled because of this kind of crap. if it bothers you guys that much quit playing the game or wait for the patches, complaining in forums(and please don't call it discussion, most people who want to discuss balance just want to confirm their views) is futile since nobody but Blizzard can patch the freaking game. Jeeez, sorry for venting. Well the point is that if no one complains, then Blizzard will think everyone believes the game is balanced, and they will leave it as is. Most people do not enjoy a game when it is not balanced. They complain because they want the game to be balanced in the future. That way they do not have to sit through the same few matchups over and over when watching a tournament. Blizzard needs to keep their customers happy, and so you see them patch the game if there is something bothering a race. Even the pros complain about things. Nestea, who has 3 championships, still complains about balance. Think about it, this game is his livelihood. If you feel you are being wronged, and do nothing about it, you will be losing chances at supporting yourself. And to go a step farther, because you will never stop some people from complaining, when those people are complaining, they are gaining ground and you are losing it, unless you share their race. Complaining will exist for a long time in SC2 because the game is still so young that no one can possibly know how balanced it is yet. | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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SiCkO_
United States481 Posts
On September 05 2011 20:37 Snowbear wrote: Yes, there actually is. They can never make terran lategame better, because this would mean that terran medgame would be too strong. People always see the terran in early and medgame, but never lategame. You will never say "nerf the marauder or nerf the marine" when you played lategame terran. Good luck fighting HT + collo + zealot + archon with a nerfed marauder / marine. Good luck fighting infestor + ultra or infestor + broodlord with a nerfed marauder / marine. Every supposed lategame terran unit gets destroyed lategame: BC's, thors and even tanks. Try to see the terran side too guys... Also watch EU and NA terrans and tourneys. Korean terrans are dominating, EU and NA terrans are doing avarage. Tweaks like a banshee nerf would be possible. how about a ghost nerf? | ||
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lim1017
Canada1278 Posts
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Truedot
444 Posts
On September 05 2011 22:24 SwampZero wrote: is it possible that youre really this stupid? Is there a universe out there in which such a stupid person exists? User was temp banned for this post. On September 05 2011 22:35 FreshD wrote: haha this really made me laugh :D does he believe in what he is saying?? and if so tell me how for example in march 52,8% + 45% makes 100%???? for the PvT, ZvT, ZvP graphs you're right of course, but your example 1... :D sigh.. just look at the graph and find the T numbers that correlate to my examples for the MUs, on the first graph, and the ZvT graph. I'm not wrong. I don't understand why you guys are trying to imply that. someone stated that P was below 33% (it shows 32%) and that T was off the chart. Yet as I've demonstrated, when its the lowest and the highest win rate of different races in the same month, the lowest number opposes the highest one in, and vice versa, in exactly the quantity to make 100, which is of course 100%. so 32% can only mean that T is 68%. This is the first thing I noticed looking at the graph ffs. | ||
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ToastieNL
Netherlands845 Posts
Protoss is 10 to 12 percent off of Terran and Zerg. Not cool | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 06 2011 05:36 ToastieNL wrote: Everybody who says this is QQ storm, is a Terran. Protoss is 10 to 12 percent off of Terran and Zerg. Not cool Where are you getting these numbers from? | ||
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