Designated Balance Discussion Thread - Page 1198

On November 05 2014 23:59 TheDwf wrote:

Polt didn't play Classic on Catallena. You probably refer to MMA vs StarDust.

On November 06 2014 00:00 DinoMight wrote:


Aaaah, sorry my mistake, it's early. Yes, MMA vs. StarDust.

I'm still curious why Stardust didn't veto that map.

On November 06 2014 00:01 TheDwf wrote:

Fom memory he vetoed Merry

Terran has been kind of stomping lately. I think the general public is more okay with it because of how weak Terran was at the beginning of the year, but ideally we'd like to have a balanced game and put past imbalances aside. Too many times people bring up past examples of imbalance not to demonstrate ways that problems were fixed but rather as an excuse for why current imbalance is acceptable.

Right now Terran has one viable opening vs. Protoss - Reaper expand into bio. This obviously is causing huge issues with the matchup especially given the layout of some of these maps... maps like Nimbus, Catallena, Deadwing where the distance between the main and 3rd/4th is extremely short by air and extremely long by ground. We saw Classic abuse the shit out of the Terrain on Nimbus against Polt this weekend.

The easy to abuse Terrain combined with very predictable openings (Reaper or nothing into Bio, both of which are countered by Colossus) are causing a lot of trouble for Terran.

Mass Bio+Medivac is actually really boring to watch as well.

On November 06 2014 00:02 DinoMight wrote:


I'd rather play a Terran on Merry than Catallena anyday, especially with those airspace limiting things.

On November 06 2014 00:06 Meavis wrote:

jokes aside, I really think we need to wait til the end of 2015 s1 to have legitimate claims on balance as maps are a bit weird right now, there's 2 3players maps, both extremely open, and 1 with huge airspace, next to the abomination that is deadwing.

On November 06 2014 00:06 Meavis wrote:

jokes aside, I really think we need to wait til the end of 2015 s1 to have legitimate claims on balance as maps are a bit weird right now, there's 2 3players maps, both extremely open, and 1 with huge airspace, next to the abomination that is deadwing.

On November 06 2014 00:18 TheDwf wrote:

As a map maker, what makes you have that stance on Deadwing?

(Genuine question, no trap intended.)

On November 06 2014 00:18 TheDwf wrote:

As a map maker, what makes you have that stance on Deadwing?

(Genuine question, no trap intended.)

On November 06 2014 00:28 Meavis wrote:


This is my personal opinion, there are others with a dislike of it as well but from what I understand for different reasons.

Simply put the map has no objectives or space to conquer at all, the map consists out of what are pretty much 4 corners, where every corner has a plentora of resources.
this makes for some of the most incredibly dull and boring play (unless you like to see deathball clashes, MMA/forGG was a great example for that I gues?) with the objective of the game being to defeat your opponent, and the most effective way of doing so is through winning the deathball fight and then crushing your opponent, the only thing stopping you is limited resources, but with a plentora of those, games on deadwing tend to become very one dimensional.
even the attack paths on the map are extremely lacking, the open plain in the middle being almost the only one being used.

this all together makes the map extremely poor designed from a gameplay perspective imo.

On November 06 2014 00:28 Meavis wrote:


This is my personal opinion, there are others with a dislike of it as well but from what I understand for different reasons.

Simply put the map has no objectives or space to conquer at all, the map consists out of what are pretty much 4 corners, where every corner has a plentora of resources.
this makes for some of the most incredibly dull and boring play (unless you like to see deathball clashes, MMA/forGG was a great example for that I gues?) with the objective of the game being to defeat your opponent, and the most effective way of doing so is through winning the deathball fight and then crushing your opponent, the only thing stopping you is limited resources, but with a plentora of those, games on deadwing tend to become very one dimensional.
even the attack paths on the map are extremely lacking, the open plain in the middle being almost the only one being used.

this all together makes the map extremely poor designed from a gameplay perspective imo.

I mean, you can defend up to 4 bases parking your army at your front door+some drop defense, and even a 5th with it if you're willing to walk just a little.

edit: I may or may not have put this badly with the example of a game like MMA/forGG

On November 06 2014 00:42 TheDwf wrote:

Thanks! I guess the map was made by the same person who made Entombed Valley.

On November 06 2014 00:59 SatedSC2 wrote:
Entombed is nowhere near as bad as Deadwing.

You only had three easy bases, there were more ways to attack your opponent, and the map wasn't anywhere near as big.

On November 06 2014 00:42 TheDwf wrote:

Thanks! I guess the map was made by the same person who made Entombed Valley.

On November 05 2014 09:10 TheDwf wrote:

Cute. Unfortunately all I have to do is link this post and any credibility you might painfully try to rebuild for the next few years instantly shatters.

On November 06 2014 01:27 parkufarku wrote:
Why am I not surprised at the people who quoted your post via dismissing my changes with extreme reactions are all Terran icons? You guys are like rats

On November 06 2014 01:27 parkufarku wrote:


Rebuild? Unfortunate? Thanks for trying but no. That post is still my opinion, and I would post it again and again, minus the storm part (which I admitted in earlier posts that was too much of a stretch). The changes are substantial but necessary, given the extreme imbalanced state that Terran is in at the moment. It's you who've lost all credibility by passionately denying Terran is overpowered at this state of game over and over in every single posts you made throughout the years. It's honestly a joke, Terran can start with 3 Command Centers and you'll somehow try to justify it's balanced, with the way you have been posting.

Why am I not surprised at the people who quoted your post via dismissing my changes with extreme reactions are all Terran icons? You guys are like rats

You've already lost all credibility on TL. Let's dig up some of your posts shall we?

Guy complains about WM in PvT forcing P to get early detection, then you ultimately try to play it off by "Stargate is viable.":
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Cherry-picking stats as usual "based on the TvZ games I saw this month"
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Adovocates Templar openings were abandoned because other builds were viable. Then gets called out for terrible argument + cherry-picking the data as usual. + Show Spoiler +

Let's not forget your own changes to an already strong Terran:
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What a joke. You should not be able to post anything Starcraft-related. You always advocate for Terran, even when they during the times when they are broken, and then try to backup your data by cherry-picking. It's almost getting worse than Avilo's infamous T bias.