• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 14:41
CET 20:41
KST 04:41
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview2RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)15Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 103SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1834
StarCraft 2
General
Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets When will we find out if there are more tournament SC2 Spotted on the EWC 2026 list?
Tourneys
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 OSC Season 13 World Championship SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Potential Map Candidates How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Beyond All Reason Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
Innova Crysta on Hire
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Physical Exercise (HIIT) Bef…
TrAiDoS
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2266 users

FXO leaves sc2con organisation - Page 9

Forum Index > SC2 General
625 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 32 Next All
TDN3
Profile Joined August 2011
United States81 Posts
August 14 2011 05:55 GMT
#161
On August 14 2011 14:41 SecondChance wrote:
What are we supposed to make of this? I'm certainly not calling you a liar by any means, or accusing you of making up stories; but for what reason can you not even provide an example of a phone call you received, or a threat or some experience that you can retell that would at least add some sustenance to your story?

Right now, your post consists of - Sc2con did this and this, it was very bad and we don't like it. Thus, we have decided to leave Sc2con. That's fine and it sounds like it was the best course of action for FXO.

I'm not one to pry for information, but if you can't give detailed examples, or give proof, or something your story is just a story. If there are legal reasons or for some other reason you can't disclose information, that's fine.

I also realise TL.net is an sc2 fan site. We can't and shouldn't expect you to tell us everything you know about your own personal issues; I understand that. However, a little more detail is necessary imo.


Agree, seen I've heard that in Korean culture people are really respectful and that crime is rare in Korea. It's hard to believe that people from such culture would threaten you like some mafia gangs for no reason.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 05:57:17
August 14 2011 05:56 GMT
#162
On August 14 2011 14:51 vertical101 wrote:
im curious why zenex player stop streaming

Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 20:15 dala wrote:
In this interview with Dong Rae Gu he get a question about streaming.

What do you want to say to all those in your fan club that want you to stream again? They are very sad you know.

I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream.


Why would the SC2 Association have an opinion on this issue?


damnit SC2con ruining esport.


OH THAT DOES IT. Preventing players from have an alternative source of revenue?

Fuck SC2Con. Go Slayers, Go FXO!
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 05:57:22
August 14 2011 05:56 GMT
#163
On August 14 2011 14:50 fellcrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 14:46 TDN3 wrote:
On August 14 2011 14:35 Zzoram wrote:
On August 14 2011 14:32 TDN3 wrote:
Can anyone explain to me what exactly Kespa did? I didn't follow Broodwar, so I have no idea what happened. I heard that they forced players to practice days and night and stuff like that. What happens if they don't follow and practice 12hr/day but still do good? Do they still get kicked out? Do they take away players earnings? How come people are so scared about them.

I thought every sport organization has some kind of control over players and can fine them if they want. For example, the NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL all fine their players certain amount of money if they say something that doesn't help the organization's image. I've seen this multiple times. My guess is that Kespa does the same thing. To what extend to they control the players? Kespa doesn't just control SC players right? They're an organization that control the general esport in Korea, including other games?


I don't know the whole story but KeSPA didn't seem THAT bad to me. They just disqualified players for typing anything other than "gg" and "pp" and once a guy typed "ppp" because his monitor died, and he got disqualified and the forums went wild.

I think they changed the rule after that, but at the time they were just enforcing their own written rules.

They also told the Broodwar teams to stop participating in GSL (Broodwar) as well because they didn't want competition for the TV channels.


I think I can stand with having rule to type "gg" and "pp" and stuff like that because they want it to have a professional look on TV (I remember QXC typed a whole sentence when he wanted to pause because he didn't know the rule, guess they don't want things like this on TV), but disqualifying is a little bit too far.

If they're a different organization to GSL(Broodwar) and competing for audience, then there's nothing wrong with banning players from GSL from competing in their league, right? So, why is there so much bad talk about Kespa on TL forum but I've never seen anyone explain why they're bad


You think it should be OK for an organization to say that you CAN'T play in another league if you want to play in ours?!?! That's like GSL and GSTL telling all their players they are not allowed to go to dream hack, NASL, or play in IPL if they want to be part of GSL. It's basically a monopoly. And when you monopolize, crazy shit goes down.


Kespa wasn't just a league, though. It was a board comprised of the teams' coaches, managers, and sponsors. The reason Kespa could shut out GOM was because it effectively controls BW in Korea. A player who dared to oppose Kespa would have his pro-gamer license revoked and would be shunned by the pro-teams. Their careers would more or less be over.

The reason you want to avoid having organizations like this is that there's no check and balance - once established, they could abuse their power and there would be nothing you could do about it.
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
August 14 2011 05:57 GMT
#164
On August 14 2011 14:51 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 14:51 vertical101 wrote:
im curious why zenex player stop streaming

On June 23 2011 20:15 dala wrote:
In this interview with Dong Rae Gu he get a question about streaming.

What do you want to say to all those in your fan club that want you to stream again? They are very sad you know.

I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream.


Why would the SC2 Association have an opinion on this issue?


damnit SC2con ruining esport.


I watched Puzzle streaming earlier.


Puzzle's Puzzle. He dont give damn about no Puzzle but his Puzzle.
Rasun
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States787 Posts
August 14 2011 05:57 GMT
#165
Seems like the Korean scene is in quite a bit of turmoil as far as teams and organization goes. Lots of problems and faults keep popping up. Hopefully these are just growing pains on the way to the level of organization and infrastructure that BW had.
"People need to just settle the fuck down!"- Djwheat <3
kast_
Profile Joined May 2011
United States22 Posts
August 14 2011 05:57 GMT
#166
whats the sc2con anyway?
Le BucheRON
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada619 Posts
August 14 2011 05:57 GMT
#167
Good for you, FXO. It takes some stones to just stand up to that negative pressure from these people. I hope they learned not to fuck with Foreigners.
Guess who`s special?!
After7days
Profile Joined December 2009
Denmark52 Posts
August 14 2011 05:58 GMT
#168
FIGHT THE POWER!
Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
August 14 2011 05:59 GMT
#169
Is there any type of legal/ government action that can be used to stop this?
Jaedong, sOs, avilo, MaSa, Oprah
stormchaser
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1009 Posts
August 14 2011 05:59 GMT
#170
On August 14 2011 14:55 TDN3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 14:41 SecondChance wrote:
What are we supposed to make of this? I'm certainly not calling you a liar by any means, or accusing you of making up stories; but for what reason can you not even provide an example of a phone call you received, or a threat or some experience that you can retell that would at least add some sustenance to your story?

Right now, your post consists of - Sc2con did this and this, it was very bad and we don't like it. Thus, we have decided to leave Sc2con. That's fine and it sounds like it was the best course of action for FXO.

I'm not one to pry for information, but if you can't give detailed examples, or give proof, or something your story is just a story. If there are legal reasons or for some other reason you can't disclose information, that's fine.

I also realise TL.net is an sc2 fan site. We can't and shouldn't expect you to tell us everything you know about your own personal issues; I understand that. However, a little more detail is necessary imo.


Agree, seen I've heard that in Korean culture people are really respectful and that crime is rare in Korea. It's hard to believe that people from such culture would threaten you like some mafia gangs for no reason.

There are good and bad people, no matter where you're from. You seriously think every Korean is as humble as the pro sc2 players? You're making an extremely stupid assumption and such an idea never has existed and never will.
Jaxtyk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States600 Posts
August 14 2011 05:59 GMT
#171
SC2CON run by con artists!!
To tell the truth....I could beat anyone in the world.
aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
August 14 2011 05:59 GMT
#172
On August 14 2011 14:51 vertical101 wrote:
im curious why zenex player stop streaming

Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 20:15 dala wrote:
In this interview with Dong Rae Gu he get a question about streaming.

What do you want to say to all those in your fan club that want you to stream again? They are very sad you know.

I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream.


Why would the SC2 Association have an opinion on this issue?


damnit SC2con ruining esport.

This is pretty normal sort of thing for professional sports to ask. NBA players aren't allowed to play basketball publicly outside of their teams, because the value in the ticket to see an NBA game is the chance to see those players play, and it loses value if it's available for free elsewhere, etc. All perfectly normal.

There's two things going on now, though. The first is jockeying for position about who gets that sort of role. In standard sports, it's as if GOMtv and sc2con were the same group. They have rules and conditions and run the league. And then other people buy the right to own a team that competes in the league, and in exchange agree that their team/players can't compete in other leagues (and that they'll bind the players to that in their contracts). And that works just fine for big team sports where in exchange for those sorts of limitations the players get big salaries. But right now the chance to compete in GSL isn't worth enough money to make it reasonable to agree to those limitations. It seems like they're trying to use soft pressure to make them happen in hopes that it then leads to more money for the teams (maybe by way of GOM? not sure how well they've thought this through). Depending on how this all works out, the money coming in could potentially end up mostly going to players, mostly going to teams, mostly going to league organizers, or any combination of the above. It also might go more to foreign teams or more to Korean teams. It's all very up in the air right now. If people think it's going to be super profitable one day, there are going to be these fights. (Of course, the fights also reduce the chance it'll end up super popular...)
Kamikiri
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1319 Posts
August 14 2011 06:00 GMT
#173
I have so much respect for Boss and Choya, sucks they have to deal with such douchebags.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
August 14 2011 06:00 GMT
#174
On August 14 2011 14:57 kast_ wrote:
whats the sc2con anyway?


its an organization that governs SC2 teams in how they operate. just like KESPA for BW. they have set rules that teams must follow to stay within the organization. having a team part of such an organization is beneficial....however in this case it seems like the benefits do not outweigh the cons.
Blackrobe
Profile Joined August 2010
United States806 Posts
August 14 2011 06:01 GMT
#175
On August 14 2011 14:17 Zzoram wrote:
If all the NASL communications have been going through SC2Con, how do we know that SC2Con didn't purposely mislead both sides to sabotage NASL? I think NASL needs to get in touch with the teams directly and confirm that SC2Con isn't changing the message.


I am pretty sure NASL sent mail to the teams directly, but only heard back from SC2Con. Perhaps the teams were told not to respond?
"To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future."
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
August 14 2011 06:01 GMT
#176
On August 14 2011 15:00 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 14:57 kast_ wrote:
whats the sc2con anyway?


its an organization that governs SC2 teams in how they operate. just like KESPA for BW. they have set rules that teams must follow to stay within the organization. having a team part of such an organization is beneficial....however in this case it seems like the benefits do not outweigh the cons.


What benefits do SC2con bring to the players and teams?
twitch.tv/medrea
Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
August 14 2011 06:01 GMT
#177
Damn, if it is as it sounds, don't blame you Boss
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
August 14 2011 06:01 GMT
#178
Hey Boss I have a question. Are you on good terms with Mr Chae? At the very least since he runs GSL he can deal with the whole FXO Korea thing. I think I'd be more comfortable with him in charge of stuff anyway.
Taengoo ♥
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
August 14 2011 06:01 GMT
#179
I think I agree with you. I don't have enough information but I think I agree with you.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
pigtheman
Profile Joined January 2009
United States333 Posts
August 14 2011 06:02 GMT
#180
good choice boss ^^
dont know why they are doing this
good luck dealing with the blackmailing stuff!
they need to lay off ...
*rawr* d(^_^d)
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 32 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 34m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 593
JuggernautJason109
UpATreeSC 100
IndyStarCraft 78
MindelVK 20
EmSc Tv 19
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 22579
Shuttle 348
firebathero 147
Dewaltoss 131
Hyun 66
Mong 49
Bale 13
HiyA 10
Dota 2
420jenkins437
BananaSlamJamma216
League of Legends
C9.Mang0151
Counter-Strike
fl0m2036
byalli1268
adren_tv79
Other Games
Grubby2676
Liquid`RaSZi2140
FrodaN1318
Fnx 1010
Beastyqt707
Harstem327
Liquid`Hasu258
Mlord202
ToD156
QueenE139
KnowMe124
mouzStarbuck111
Mew2King23
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2431
BasetradeTV19
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 19
EmSc2Tv 19
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 63
• maralekos10
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 20
• 80smullet 19
• FirePhoenix14
• Azhi_Dahaki6
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• TFBlade1568
Other Games
• imaqtpie1525
• Shiphtur521
Upcoming Events
All-Star Invitational
6h 34m
INnoVation vs soO
Serral vs herO
Cure vs Solar
sOs vs Scarlett
Classic vs Clem
Reynor vs Maru
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
16h 19m
AI Arena Tournament
1d
All-Star Invitational
1d 6h
MMA vs DongRaeGu
Rogue vs Oliveira
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 14h
OSC
1d 16h
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
The PondCast
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
6 days
Big Brain Bouts
6 days
Serral vs TBD
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-14
Big Gabe Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W5
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Rongyi Cup S3
SC2 All-Star Inv. 2025
Nations Cup 2026
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.