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On August 14 2011 14:41 SecondChance wrote:
What are we supposed to make of this? I'm certainly not calling you a liar by any means, or accusing you of making up stories; but for what reason can you not even provide an example of a phone call you received, or a threat or some experience that you can retell that would at least add some sustenance to your story?
Right now, your post consists of - Sc2con did this and this, it was very bad and we don't like it. Thus, we have decided to leave Sc2con. That's fine and it sounds like it was the best course of action for FXO.
I'm not one to pry for information, but if you can't give detailed examples, or give proof, or something your story is just a story. If there are legal reasons or for some other reason you can't disclose information, that's fine.
I also realise TL.net is an sc2 fan site. We can't and shouldn't expect you to tell us everything you know about your own personal issues; I understand that. However, a little more detail is necessary imo.
Agree, seen I've heard that in Korean culture people are really respectful and that crime is rare in Korea. It's hard to believe that people from such culture would threaten you like some mafia gangs for no reason.
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On August 14 2011 14:51 vertical101 wrote:im curious why zenex player stop streaming Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 20:15 dala wrote:In this interview with Dong Rae Gu he get a question about streaming. What do you want to say to all those in your fan club that want you to stream again? They are very sad you know. I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream. Why would the SC2 Association have an opinion on this issue? damnit SC2con ruining esport.
OH THAT DOES IT. Preventing players from have an alternative source of revenue?
Fuck SC2Con. Go Slayers, Go FXO!
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On August 14 2011 14:50 fellcrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 14:46 TDN3 wrote:On August 14 2011 14:35 Zzoram wrote:On August 14 2011 14:32 TDN3 wrote:
Can anyone explain to me what exactly Kespa did? I didn't follow Broodwar, so I have no idea what happened. I heard that they forced players to practice days and night and stuff like that. What happens if they don't follow and practice 12hr/day but still do good? Do they still get kicked out? Do they take away players earnings? How come people are so scared about them.
I thought every sport organization has some kind of control over players and can fine them if they want. For example, the NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL all fine their players certain amount of money if they say something that doesn't help the organization's image. I've seen this multiple times. My guess is that Kespa does the same thing. To what extend to they control the players? Kespa doesn't just control SC players right? They're an organization that control the general esport in Korea, including other games? I don't know the whole story but KeSPA didn't seem THAT bad to me. They just disqualified players for typing anything other than "gg" and "pp" and once a guy typed "ppp" because his monitor died, and he got disqualified and the forums went wild. I think they changed the rule after that, but at the time they were just enforcing their own written rules. They also told the Broodwar teams to stop participating in GSL (Broodwar) as well because they didn't want competition for the TV channels. I think I can stand with having rule to type "gg" and "pp" and stuff like that because they want it to have a professional look on TV (I remember QXC typed a whole sentence when he wanted to pause because he didn't know the rule, guess they don't want things like this on TV), but disqualifying is a little bit too far. If they're a different organization to GSL(Broodwar) and competing for audience, then there's nothing wrong with banning players from GSL from competing in their league, right? So, why is there so much bad talk about Kespa on TL forum but I've never seen anyone explain why they're bad You think it should be OK for an organization to say that you CAN'T play in another league if you want to play in ours?!?! That's like GSL and GSTL telling all their players they are not allowed to go to dream hack, NASL, or play in IPL if they want to be part of GSL. It's basically a monopoly. And when you monopolize, crazy shit goes down.
Kespa wasn't just a league, though. It was a board comprised of the teams' coaches, managers, and sponsors. The reason Kespa could shut out GOM was because it effectively controls BW in Korea. A player who dared to oppose Kespa would have his pro-gamer license revoked and would be shunned by the pro-teams. Their careers would more or less be over.
The reason you want to avoid having organizations like this is that there's no check and balance - once established, they could abuse their power and there would be nothing you could do about it.
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On August 14 2011 14:51 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 14:51 vertical101 wrote:im curious why zenex player stop streaming On June 23 2011 20:15 dala wrote:In this interview with Dong Rae Gu he get a question about streaming. What do you want to say to all those in your fan club that want you to stream again? They are very sad you know. I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream. Why would the SC2 Association have an opinion on this issue? damnit SC2con ruining esport. I watched Puzzle streaming earlier.
Puzzle's Puzzle. He dont give damn about no Puzzle but his Puzzle.
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Seems like the Korean scene is in quite a bit of turmoil as far as teams and organization goes. Lots of problems and faults keep popping up. Hopefully these are just growing pains on the way to the level of organization and infrastructure that BW had.
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Good for you, FXO. It takes some stones to just stand up to that negative pressure from these people. I hope they learned not to fuck with Foreigners.
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Is there any type of legal/ government action that can be used to stop this?
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On August 14 2011 14:55 TDN3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 14:41 SecondChance wrote:
What are we supposed to make of this? I'm certainly not calling you a liar by any means, or accusing you of making up stories; but for what reason can you not even provide an example of a phone call you received, or a threat or some experience that you can retell that would at least add some sustenance to your story?
Right now, your post consists of - Sc2con did this and this, it was very bad and we don't like it. Thus, we have decided to leave Sc2con. That's fine and it sounds like it was the best course of action for FXO.
I'm not one to pry for information, but if you can't give detailed examples, or give proof, or something your story is just a story. If there are legal reasons or for some other reason you can't disclose information, that's fine.
I also realise TL.net is an sc2 fan site. We can't and shouldn't expect you to tell us everything you know about your own personal issues; I understand that. However, a little more detail is necessary imo. Agree, seen I've heard that in Korean culture people are really respectful and that crime is rare in Korea. It's hard to believe that people from such culture would threaten you like some mafia gangs for no reason.
There are good and bad people, no matter where you're from. You seriously think every Korean is as humble as the pro sc2 players? You're making an extremely stupid assumption and such an idea never has existed and never will.
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SC2CON run by con artists!!
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On August 14 2011 14:51 vertical101 wrote:im curious why zenex player stop streaming Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 20:15 dala wrote:In this interview with Dong Rae Gu he get a question about streaming. What do you want to say to all those in your fan club that want you to stream again? They are very sad you know. I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream. Why would the SC2 Association have an opinion on this issue? damnit SC2con ruining esport.
This is pretty normal sort of thing for professional sports to ask. NBA players aren't allowed to play basketball publicly outside of their teams, because the value in the ticket to see an NBA game is the chance to see those players play, and it loses value if it's available for free elsewhere, etc. All perfectly normal.
There's two things going on now, though. The first is jockeying for position about who gets that sort of role. In standard sports, it's as if GOMtv and sc2con were the same group. They have rules and conditions and run the league. And then other people buy the right to own a team that competes in the league, and in exchange agree that their team/players can't compete in other leagues (and that they'll bind the players to that in their contracts). And that works just fine for big team sports where in exchange for those sorts of limitations the players get big salaries. But right now the chance to compete in GSL isn't worth enough money to make it reasonable to agree to those limitations. It seems like they're trying to use soft pressure to make them happen in hopes that it then leads to more money for the teams (maybe by way of GOM? not sure how well they've thought this through). Depending on how this all works out, the money coming in could potentially end up mostly going to players, mostly going to teams, mostly going to league organizers, or any combination of the above. It also might go more to foreign teams or more to Korean teams. It's all very up in the air right now. If people think it's going to be super profitable one day, there are going to be these fights. (Of course, the fights also reduce the chance it'll end up super popular...)
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I have so much respect for Boss and Choya, sucks they have to deal with such douchebags.
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On August 14 2011 14:57 kast_ wrote:
whats the sc2con anyway?
its an organization that governs SC2 teams in how they operate. just like KESPA for BW. they have set rules that teams must follow to stay within the organization. having a team part of such an organization is beneficial....however in this case it seems like the benefits do not outweigh the cons.
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On August 14 2011 14:17 Zzoram wrote:
If all the NASL communications have been going through SC2Con, how do we know that SC2Con didn't purposely mislead both sides to sabotage NASL? I think NASL needs to get in touch with the teams directly and confirm that SC2Con isn't changing the message.
I am pretty sure NASL sent mail to the teams directly, but only heard back from SC2Con. Perhaps the teams were told not to respond?
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On August 14 2011 15:00 Golgotha wrote:its an organization that governs SC2 teams in how they operate. just like KESPA for BW. they have set rules that teams must follow to stay within the organization. having a team part of such an organization is beneficial....however in this case it seems like the benefits do not outweigh the cons.
What benefits do SC2con bring to the players and teams?
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Damn, if it is as it sounds, don't blame you Boss
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Hey Boss I have a question. Are you on good terms with Mr Chae? At the very least since he runs GSL he can deal with the whole FXO Korea thing. I think I'd be more comfortable with him in charge of stuff anyway.
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I think I agree with you. I don't have enough information but I think I agree with you.
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good choice boss ^^
dont know why they are doing this
good luck dealing with the blackmailing stuff!
they need to lay off ...
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