• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:31
CEST 21:31
KST 04:31
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection3Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)7
Community News
[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June0Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th151Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League6
StarCraft 2
General
My starcraft 2 changes StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum Mutation # 527 Hell Train
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ 14k games analyzed: Cross Spawn Nexus first good? Tesagi Viewer - A new era of replay watching FlaSh's ASL S21 Finals Review VPN experiences
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread How cold is too cold to be outdoors? Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Esportsmanship: How to NOT B…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4430 users

FXO leaves sc2con organisation - Page 9

Forum Index > SC2 General
625 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 32 Next All
TDN3
Profile Joined August 2011
United States81 Posts
August 14 2011 05:55 GMT
#161
On August 14 2011 14:41 SecondChance wrote:
What are we supposed to make of this? I'm certainly not calling you a liar by any means, or accusing you of making up stories; but for what reason can you not even provide an example of a phone call you received, or a threat or some experience that you can retell that would at least add some sustenance to your story?

Right now, your post consists of - Sc2con did this and this, it was very bad and we don't like it. Thus, we have decided to leave Sc2con. That's fine and it sounds like it was the best course of action for FXO.

I'm not one to pry for information, but if you can't give detailed examples, or give proof, or something your story is just a story. If there are legal reasons or for some other reason you can't disclose information, that's fine.

I also realise TL.net is an sc2 fan site. We can't and shouldn't expect you to tell us everything you know about your own personal issues; I understand that. However, a little more detail is necessary imo.


Agree, seen I've heard that in Korean culture people are really respectful and that crime is rare in Korea. It's hard to believe that people from such culture would threaten you like some mafia gangs for no reason.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 05:57:17
August 14 2011 05:56 GMT
#162
On August 14 2011 14:51 vertical101 wrote:
im curious why zenex player stop streaming

Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 20:15 dala wrote:
In this interview with Dong Rae Gu he get a question about streaming.

What do you want to say to all those in your fan club that want you to stream again? They are very sad you know.

I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream.


Why would the SC2 Association have an opinion on this issue?


damnit SC2con ruining esport.


OH THAT DOES IT. Preventing players from have an alternative source of revenue?

Fuck SC2Con. Go Slayers, Go FXO!
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 05:57:22
August 14 2011 05:56 GMT
#163
On August 14 2011 14:50 fellcrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 14:46 TDN3 wrote:
On August 14 2011 14:35 Zzoram wrote:
On August 14 2011 14:32 TDN3 wrote:
Can anyone explain to me what exactly Kespa did? I didn't follow Broodwar, so I have no idea what happened. I heard that they forced players to practice days and night and stuff like that. What happens if they don't follow and practice 12hr/day but still do good? Do they still get kicked out? Do they take away players earnings? How come people are so scared about them.

I thought every sport organization has some kind of control over players and can fine them if they want. For example, the NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL all fine their players certain amount of money if they say something that doesn't help the organization's image. I've seen this multiple times. My guess is that Kespa does the same thing. To what extend to they control the players? Kespa doesn't just control SC players right? They're an organization that control the general esport in Korea, including other games?


I don't know the whole story but KeSPA didn't seem THAT bad to me. They just disqualified players for typing anything other than "gg" and "pp" and once a guy typed "ppp" because his monitor died, and he got disqualified and the forums went wild.

I think they changed the rule after that, but at the time they were just enforcing their own written rules.

They also told the Broodwar teams to stop participating in GSL (Broodwar) as well because they didn't want competition for the TV channels.


I think I can stand with having rule to type "gg" and "pp" and stuff like that because they want it to have a professional look on TV (I remember QXC typed a whole sentence when he wanted to pause because he didn't know the rule, guess they don't want things like this on TV), but disqualifying is a little bit too far.

If they're a different organization to GSL(Broodwar) and competing for audience, then there's nothing wrong with banning players from GSL from competing in their league, right? So, why is there so much bad talk about Kespa on TL forum but I've never seen anyone explain why they're bad


You think it should be OK for an organization to say that you CAN'T play in another league if you want to play in ours?!?! That's like GSL and GSTL telling all their players they are not allowed to go to dream hack, NASL, or play in IPL if they want to be part of GSL. It's basically a monopoly. And when you monopolize, crazy shit goes down.


Kespa wasn't just a league, though. It was a board comprised of the teams' coaches, managers, and sponsors. The reason Kespa could shut out GOM was because it effectively controls BW in Korea. A player who dared to oppose Kespa would have his pro-gamer license revoked and would be shunned by the pro-teams. Their careers would more or less be over.

The reason you want to avoid having organizations like this is that there's no check and balance - once established, they could abuse their power and there would be nothing you could do about it.
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
August 14 2011 05:57 GMT
#164
On August 14 2011 14:51 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 14:51 vertical101 wrote:
im curious why zenex player stop streaming

On June 23 2011 20:15 dala wrote:
In this interview with Dong Rae Gu he get a question about streaming.

What do you want to say to all those in your fan club that want you to stream again? They are very sad you know.

I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream.


Why would the SC2 Association have an opinion on this issue?


damnit SC2con ruining esport.


I watched Puzzle streaming earlier.


Puzzle's Puzzle. He dont give damn about no Puzzle but his Puzzle.
Rasun
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States787 Posts
August 14 2011 05:57 GMT
#165
Seems like the Korean scene is in quite a bit of turmoil as far as teams and organization goes. Lots of problems and faults keep popping up. Hopefully these are just growing pains on the way to the level of organization and infrastructure that BW had.
"People need to just settle the fuck down!"- Djwheat <3
kast_
Profile Joined May 2011
United States22 Posts
August 14 2011 05:57 GMT
#166
whats the sc2con anyway?
Le BucheRON
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada619 Posts
August 14 2011 05:57 GMT
#167
Good for you, FXO. It takes some stones to just stand up to that negative pressure from these people. I hope they learned not to fuck with Foreigners.
Guess who`s special?!
After7days
Profile Joined December 2009
Denmark52 Posts
August 14 2011 05:58 GMT
#168
FIGHT THE POWER!
Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
August 14 2011 05:59 GMT
#169
Is there any type of legal/ government action that can be used to stop this?
Jaedong, sOs, avilo, MaSa, Oprah
stormchaser
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1009 Posts
August 14 2011 05:59 GMT
#170
On August 14 2011 14:55 TDN3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 14:41 SecondChance wrote:
What are we supposed to make of this? I'm certainly not calling you a liar by any means, or accusing you of making up stories; but for what reason can you not even provide an example of a phone call you received, or a threat or some experience that you can retell that would at least add some sustenance to your story?

Right now, your post consists of - Sc2con did this and this, it was very bad and we don't like it. Thus, we have decided to leave Sc2con. That's fine and it sounds like it was the best course of action for FXO.

I'm not one to pry for information, but if you can't give detailed examples, or give proof, or something your story is just a story. If there are legal reasons or for some other reason you can't disclose information, that's fine.

I also realise TL.net is an sc2 fan site. We can't and shouldn't expect you to tell us everything you know about your own personal issues; I understand that. However, a little more detail is necessary imo.


Agree, seen I've heard that in Korean culture people are really respectful and that crime is rare in Korea. It's hard to believe that people from such culture would threaten you like some mafia gangs for no reason.

There are good and bad people, no matter where you're from. You seriously think every Korean is as humble as the pro sc2 players? You're making an extremely stupid assumption and such an idea never has existed and never will.
Jaxtyk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States600 Posts
August 14 2011 05:59 GMT
#171
SC2CON run by con artists!!
To tell the truth....I could beat anyone in the world.
aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
August 14 2011 05:59 GMT
#172
On August 14 2011 14:51 vertical101 wrote:
im curious why zenex player stop streaming

Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 20:15 dala wrote:
In this interview with Dong Rae Gu he get a question about streaming.

What do you want to say to all those in your fan club that want you to stream again? They are very sad you know.

I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream.


Why would the SC2 Association have an opinion on this issue?


damnit SC2con ruining esport.

This is pretty normal sort of thing for professional sports to ask. NBA players aren't allowed to play basketball publicly outside of their teams, because the value in the ticket to see an NBA game is the chance to see those players play, and it loses value if it's available for free elsewhere, etc. All perfectly normal.

There's two things going on now, though. The first is jockeying for position about who gets that sort of role. In standard sports, it's as if GOMtv and sc2con were the same group. They have rules and conditions and run the league. And then other people buy the right to own a team that competes in the league, and in exchange agree that their team/players can't compete in other leagues (and that they'll bind the players to that in their contracts). And that works just fine for big team sports where in exchange for those sorts of limitations the players get big salaries. But right now the chance to compete in GSL isn't worth enough money to make it reasonable to agree to those limitations. It seems like they're trying to use soft pressure to make them happen in hopes that it then leads to more money for the teams (maybe by way of GOM? not sure how well they've thought this through). Depending on how this all works out, the money coming in could potentially end up mostly going to players, mostly going to teams, mostly going to league organizers, or any combination of the above. It also might go more to foreign teams or more to Korean teams. It's all very up in the air right now. If people think it's going to be super profitable one day, there are going to be these fights. (Of course, the fights also reduce the chance it'll end up super popular...)
Kamikiri
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1319 Posts
August 14 2011 06:00 GMT
#173
I have so much respect for Boss and Choya, sucks they have to deal with such douchebags.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
August 14 2011 06:00 GMT
#174
On August 14 2011 14:57 kast_ wrote:
whats the sc2con anyway?


its an organization that governs SC2 teams in how they operate. just like KESPA for BW. they have set rules that teams must follow to stay within the organization. having a team part of such an organization is beneficial....however in this case it seems like the benefits do not outweigh the cons.
Blackrobe
Profile Joined August 2010
United States806 Posts
August 14 2011 06:01 GMT
#175
On August 14 2011 14:17 Zzoram wrote:
If all the NASL communications have been going through SC2Con, how do we know that SC2Con didn't purposely mislead both sides to sabotage NASL? I think NASL needs to get in touch with the teams directly and confirm that SC2Con isn't changing the message.


I am pretty sure NASL sent mail to the teams directly, but only heard back from SC2Con. Perhaps the teams were told not to respond?
"To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future."
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
August 14 2011 06:01 GMT
#176
On August 14 2011 15:00 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 14:57 kast_ wrote:
whats the sc2con anyway?


its an organization that governs SC2 teams in how they operate. just like KESPA for BW. they have set rules that teams must follow to stay within the organization. having a team part of such an organization is beneficial....however in this case it seems like the benefits do not outweigh the cons.


What benefits do SC2con bring to the players and teams?
twitch.tv/medrea
Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
August 14 2011 06:01 GMT
#177
Damn, if it is as it sounds, don't blame you Boss
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
August 14 2011 06:01 GMT
#178
Hey Boss I have a question. Are you on good terms with Mr Chae? At the very least since he runs GSL he can deal with the whole FXO Korea thing. I think I'd be more comfortable with him in charge of stuff anyway.
Taengoo ♥
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
August 14 2011 06:01 GMT
#179
I think I agree with you. I don't have enough information but I think I agree with you.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
pigtheman
Profile Joined January 2009
United States333 Posts
August 14 2011 06:02 GMT
#180
good choice boss ^^
dont know why they are doing this
good luck dealing with the blackmailing stuff!
they need to lay off ...
*rawr* d(^_^d)
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 32 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Maestros of the Game
15:30
Group D
Zoun vs LamboLIVE!
ComeBackTV 1283
RotterdaM1241
IntoTheiNu 1112
TaKeTV 574
Rex99
BRAT_OK 97
3DClanTV 80
EnkiAlexander 77
LiquipediaDiscussion
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
15:00
Season Finals: Group Stage 1
uThermal1335
IndyStarCraft 204
SteadfastSC148
LamboSC283
sc2solar54
trigger34
SpiritSC215
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
uThermal 1335
RotterdaM 1241
IndyStarCraft 204
SteadfastSC 148
Rex 99
BRAT_OK 97
LamboSC2 83
ProTech81
sc2solar 54
JuggernautJason51
ZombieGrub36
trigger 34
RushiSC 22
MindelVK 17
SpiritSC2 15
Codebar 3
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 29998
Calm 5050
firebathero 135
Dewaltoss 120
HiyA 36
Rock 26
Sacsri 14
GoRush 11
Counter-Strike
fl0m8238
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu256
Khaldor157
Other Games
Grubby3594
FrodaN2318
B2W.Neo528
C9.Mang0165
QueenE62
UpATreeSC56
mouzStarbuck39
Mew2King36
OptimusSC25
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV56
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 14
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota267
League of Legends
• TFBlade941
Other Games
• imaqtpie915
• Shiphtur205
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 30m
Replay Cast
13h 30m
Solar vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
19h 30m
Grudge Match
20h 30m
FlaShFTW vs A.Alm
OSC
1d 1h
MaxPax vs YoungYakov
Krystianer vs Shameless
GgMaChine vs Creature
LetaleX vs MiniZergUA
ReBellioN vs TBD
ArT vs HiGhDrA
Nicoract vs Azura
GSL
1d 12h
herO vs Rogue
Maru vs Cure
Patches Events
1d 17h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 19h
BSL
1d 23h
OSC
2 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KK 2v2 League Season 1
RSL Revival: Season 5
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
2026 GSL S2
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Heroes Pulsing #3
Heroes Pulsing #2
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.