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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
August 14 2011 06:03 GMT
#181
And slowly but surely the whole EG vs Korea drama becomes slightly more balanced.
Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
August 14 2011 06:03 GMT
#182
On August 14 2011 14:59 aristarchus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 14:51 vertical101 wrote:
im curious why zenex player stop streaming

On June 23 2011 20:15 dala wrote:
In this interview with Dong Rae Gu he get a question about streaming.

What do you want to say to all those in your fan club that want you to stream again? They are very sad you know.

I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream.


Why would the SC2 Association have an opinion on this issue?


damnit SC2con ruining esport.

This is pretty normal sort of thing for professional sports to ask. NBA players aren't allowed to play basketball publicly outside of their teams, because the value in the ticket to see an NBA game is the chance to see those players play, and it loses value if it's available for free elsewhere, etc. All perfectly normal.


perfectly normal? get your head out of the sand man. this isnt the NBA, dont use their rules and apply it to SC2. God forbid what you say is "perfectly normal" within SC2, all the pro players on professional teams couldn't stream without restrictions.
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
August 14 2011 06:04 GMT
#183
On August 14 2011 15:01 Medrea wrote:
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On August 14 2011 15:00 Golgotha wrote:
On August 14 2011 14:57 kast_ wrote:
whats the sc2con anyway?


its an organization that governs SC2 teams in how they operate. just like KESPA for BW. they have set rules that teams must follow to stay within the organization. having a team part of such an organization is beneficial....however in this case it seems like the benefits do not outweigh the cons.


What benefits do SC2con bring to the players and teams?


I think its supposed to bring structure and cohesion to the league as well as legal counsel and defense ideally. Mainly a management role and an intermediate between players/teams and tournaments/businesses. I think, at least ideally.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
August 14 2011 06:04 GMT
#184
On August 14 2011 14:59 aristarchus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 14:51 vertical101 wrote:
im curious why zenex player stop streaming

On June 23 2011 20:15 dala wrote:
In this interview with Dong Rae Gu he get a question about streaming.

What do you want to say to all those in your fan club that want you to stream again? They are very sad you know.

I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: this) and they prefer progamers don't stream.


Why would the SC2 Association have an opinion on this issue?


damnit SC2con ruining esport.

This is pretty normal sort of thing for professional sports to ask. NBA players aren't allowed to play basketball publicly outside of their teams, because the value in the ticket to see an NBA game is the chance to see those players play, and it loses value if it's available for free elsewhere, etc. All perfectly normal.


Basketball players also get handsomely compensated with a minimum salaried contract in the minimum range of $700,000 per year, paid incrementally every two weeks. They also get free trainers and access to training facilities, coaches, mental and physical health workings, and can sleep in their own frigging apartment.

These kids are being treated like slaves.



Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
August 14 2011 06:04 GMT
#185
Wow. What the actual fuck?

This is getting really bizarre. Good call, I think. I honestly still can't really tell what the fuck is going on.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
August 14 2011 06:04 GMT
#186
On August 14 2011 15:01 Blackrobe wrote:
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On August 14 2011 14:17 Zzoram wrote:
If all the NASL communications have been going through SC2Con, how do we know that SC2Con didn't purposely mislead both sides to sabotage NASL? I think NASL needs to get in touch with the teams directly and confirm that SC2Con isn't changing the message.


I am pretty sure NASL sent mail to the teams directly, but only heard back from SC2Con. Perhaps the teams were told not to respond?


I emailed teams directly, and heard back from Mr.Chae -- I never even spoke to anyone who made decisions
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
August 14 2011 06:04 GMT
#187
This is FXO "Korea" right, as in f0u leaving SC2con?
"Even gophers love Starcraft" - Tasteless. || Davichi | IU <3
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
August 14 2011 06:05 GMT
#188
guys I have edited the front. To explain that my posts have nothing to do with the managers on board of sc2con, but more the person who was representing sc2con. Please understand that I have no problem with any team managers, or players.
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
Ansalem
Profile Joined November 2010
564 Posts
August 14 2011 06:05 GMT
#189
On August 14 2011 15:04 StyLeD wrote:
This is FXO "Korea" right, as in f0u leaving SC2con?


The entire team is just FXO. And all of them are leaving sc2con, including the former fOu members.
radiumz0rz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States253 Posts
August 14 2011 06:06 GMT
#190
I think this was the right decision for FXO!
Berkeley '10
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
August 14 2011 06:06 GMT
#191
On August 14 2011 15:03 Zlasher wrote:
And slowly but surely the whole EG vs Korea drama becomes slightly more balanced.


Could be fixed if Greg becomes EG's executive public relations advisor.....
styka
Profile Joined April 2010
United States74 Posts
August 14 2011 06:06 GMT
#192
The pro players shouldn't stand for this. I welcome them to come to the foreign market!
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
August 14 2011 06:07 GMT
#193
Oh boy, here we go again. The shit coming out of Korea just seems to get worse and worse. Great decision by Boss.
The universe created an audience for itself.
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
August 14 2011 06:07 GMT
#194
On August 14 2011 15:04 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 15:01 Blackrobe wrote:
On August 14 2011 14:17 Zzoram wrote:
If all the NASL communications have been going through SC2Con, how do we know that SC2Con didn't purposely mislead both sides to sabotage NASL? I think NASL needs to get in touch with the teams directly and confirm that SC2Con isn't changing the message.


I am pretty sure NASL sent mail to the teams directly, but only heard back from SC2Con. Perhaps the teams were told not to respond?


I emailed teams directly, and heard back from Mr.Chae -- I never even spoke to anyone who made decisions


I could be quality english speakers among teams is hard to come by, and Mr. Chae also has a lot of experience deal with foreign interests. (Or at least more then they do).
Expurgate
Profile Joined January 2011
United States208 Posts
August 14 2011 06:07 GMT
#195
SC2Con is KILLING E-SPORTS!

This is interesting news though. Hopefully there is substantial reform on the part of SC2Con so that teams can once again have a forum where interests can be frankly discussed and broader strategies planned.
TDN3
Profile Joined August 2011
United States81 Posts
August 14 2011 06:07 GMT
#196
On August 14 2011 14:39 mikyaJ wrote:
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On August 14 2011 14:32 TDN3 wrote:
Can anyone explain to me what exactly Kespa did? I didn't follow Broodwar, so I have no idea what happened. I heard that they forced players to practice days and night and stuff like that. What happens if they don't follow and practice 12hr/day but still do good? Do they still get kicked out? Do they take away players earnings? How come people are so scared about them.

I thought every sport organization has some kind of control over players and can fine them if they want. For example, the NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL all fine their players certain amount of money if they say something that doesn't help the organization's image. I've seen this multiple times. My guess is that Kespa does the same thing. To what extend to they control the players? Kespa doesn't just control SC players right? They're an organization that control the general esport in Korea, including other games?

Yes they did things like set minimum practice hours and essentially code of conduct for players, among other things. They did many good things for esports in Korea, but some notable things they did bad were:

-Boycott Gomtv's BW league they made (ie tell players they couldn't play in it or they would have their progaming licenses revoked (which made them able to play in the MSL/OSL/Proleague)), essentially limiting the Korean tournament scene to OSL/MSL/Proleague and occasional special leagues like STX Master's, er hurting Esports.

-Defacing NaDa after he switched to SC2

-People don't like them as well because they are strict in their sometimes bureaucratic rules such as pausing without typing pp resulting in disqualifications


-Do the players get fined for not having a certain practice hours? About code of conduct, I guess they don't want someone like Idra or CombatEX. I'm fine with that. They tried to be manner and professional.

-Boycotting Gomtv's BW is fine to me if they're in competition with Gomtv. Different Organizations or companies competing against each other for TV market. That's just normal.

-Well, Nada moving to Gomtv and switching to SC2 would hurt their market share since they're an organization that depends on revenue to feed their employees. Giving Nada bad image is just normal. It happens between foreign players switching teams sometimes.
Craminit
Profile Joined June 2011
United States58 Posts
August 14 2011 06:08 GMT
#197
How does leaving sc2con affect FXO? Do you guys lose benefits? Or is it just symbolic
Iron.Fist
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil268 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 06:09:31
August 14 2011 06:09 GMT
#198
FXO FIGHTING!!!!

I feel really bad to read stuff like that. It's a shame how things are going atm on KR. I hope we get a
better org and we get some improvement on the relation between South Korea and the rest of the world concerning e-sports future.
domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
August 14 2011 06:09 GMT
#199
On August 14 2011 15:03 Zlasher wrote:
And slowly but surely the whole EG vs Koreacoach Lee drama becomes slightly more balanced.
How does it become more balanced? That was a separate matter between EG, Puma, and TSL management.
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
August 14 2011 06:09 GMT
#200
On August 14 2011 15:08 Craminit wrote:
How does leaving sc2con affect FXO? Do you guys lose benefits? Or is it just symbolic


I would hope it wouldn't affect them negatively, just show a terrible organization they're expendable.
The universe created an audience for itself.
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