EPTFXO leaves sc2con organisation - Page 8
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On August 14 2011 10:04 Defacer wrote: I think that is the intent, but this is what I imagine. I suspect SC2Con, in actuality, is a small group of 'insiders' or greybeards from the Broodwar days comprised mainly of Team Managers and Coaches, that conspire together and force collusion and conformity between the teams. While they occasionally look out for player rights, they actually limit their opportunities and mobility, enforce working conditions only tolerable in Asian countries, and in general, have no formal process for selecting leaders or making decision. FXOBoss or anyone else in the know: is this a fair assumption or completely off-base? | ||
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BoomNasty
United States265 Posts
On August 14 2011 14:09 slicknav wrote: by the looks of everything going on, it seems that sc2con is actually ruining e-sports. you heard it here first folks, sc2con is ruining esports | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
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KatuStarcraft
Canada161 Posts
Man, seems like things are just heating up here on Jerry Springer KR! | ||
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TDN3
United States81 Posts
On August 14 2011 14:35 Zzoram wrote: I don't know the whole story but KeSPA didn't seem THAT bad to me. They just disqualified players for typing anything other than "gg" and "pp" and once a guy typed "ppp" because his monitor died, and he got disqualified and the forums went wild. I think they changed the rule after that, but at the time they were just enforcing their own written rules. They also told the Broodwar teams to stop participating in GSL (Broodwar) as well because they didn't want competition for the TV channels. I think I can stand with having rule to type "gg" and "pp" and stuff like that because they want it to have a professional look on TV (I remember QXC typed a whole sentence when he wanted to pause because he didn't know the rule, guess they don't want things like this on TV), but disqualifying is a little bit too far. If they're a different organization to GSL(Broodwar) and competing for audience, then there's nothing wrong with banning players from GSL from competing in their league, right? So, why is there so much bad talk about Kespa on TL forum but I've never seen anyone explain why they're bad | ||
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Sprungjeezy
United States1313 Posts
On August 14 2011 14:04 3xiLe wrote: Actually, now I think about it, it almost reminds me of Animal Farm, ha. When it was briefly mentioned at the beginning of GSL and whatever, it was almost like "NO WE'RE NOT KESPA, YES WE'RE NOT KESPA, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BECOME KESPA", now it looks like they're the pigs. Oh my god, this is so perfect. I really wish things weren't so dramatic. Hope FXO can stand strong and all of its players as well! I really hope more teams follow suit to bring dramatic changes to SC2Con or its closure and form a new group. I personally have been very wary of SC2Con since the previous drama and really think it is time for someone else to take control of it because it is not working for ESPORTS, but for money it seems. FXO fighting! | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On August 14 2011 14:44 FXOpen wrote: 2 days ago, choya got a call at midnight with someone arguing with him about our team uniforms. That enough for you? I try not to release too many details incase legalities ensue, and by mentioning the above statement, I can no longer use it in court if necessary as its been tainted by public knowledge. But since that was the least of if, it is an example. When choya said "talk to Josh" i.e me. They wouldnt. Whilst, of course honesty is a very big thing in any announcement, you have to understand there are legalities involved and posting every single thing can taint any legal case against someone. Dear sir, I have the utmost respect you. I agree that you should not/can not go into any details for legal reasons. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On August 14 2011 14:44 MrDudeMan wrote: Your supposed to understand that FXO has left the sc2con. He is not stating that sc2con should be hated by the community. He simply stated that he had issues with them, then he listed the issues and finally said that because of said issues FXO is leaving sc2con. Its an announcement, he doesn't need to give more detail because it is his decision how he manages his team. Well, he didn't have to list any reasons at all, but he did and they're pretty incriminating. I don't think it's possible for anyone to not become skeptical of sc2con, to say the least. Of course, it's a great thing he did though, I don't think he'd make this up, and I'm a bigger fan for it. | ||
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mburke05
United States130 Posts
I think it's important that Koreans realize that the Kespa-like authority with fiat to do such as it pleases is not a necessity, and in fact, e-sports are growing exponentially more without such an authority in the US and abroad. It is something worth considering moving forward. | ||
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setekh
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FXO ... fighting ... / too Korean  / FXO kicking bu77 !!! | ||
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fellcrow
United States288 Posts
On August 14 2011 14:46 TDN3 wrote: I think I can stand with having rule to type "gg" and "pp" and stuff like that because they want it to have a professional look on TV (I remember QXC typed a whole sentence when he wanted to pause because he didn't know the rule, guess they don't want things like this on TV), but disqualifying is a little bit too far. If they're a different organization to GSL(Broodwar) and competing for audience, then there's nothing wrong with banning players from GSL from competing in their league, right? So, why is there so much bad talk about Kespa on TL forum but I've never seen anyone explain why they're bad You think it should be OK for an organization to say that you CAN'T play in another league if you want to play in ours?!?! That's like GSL and GSTL telling all their players they are not allowed to go to dream hack, NASL, or play in IPL if they want to be part of GSL. It's basically a monopoly. And when you monopolize, crazy shit goes down. | ||
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Rylaji
Sweden580 Posts
I for one hope they come to their senses.. For E-Sports sake. | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
2. Korean teams leave SC2CON 3. Korean teams leave Korea 4. ??? 5. Proleague finals take place @ Madison Square Garden. 6. THERE IS NO 6! See 5. | ||
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vertical101
Hong Kong311 Posts
On June 23 2011 20:15 dala wrote: In this interview with Dong Rae Gu he get a question about streaming. Why would the SC2 Association have an opinion on this issue? damnit SC2con ruining esport. | ||
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wats0n
United States509 Posts
As somebody already said, it doesn't matter what group comes and ousts the former corrupt group (sc2con) it will eventually just become corrupt itself like Animal Farm. If Koreans feel like they are being disrespected they have to have revenge even if it's at the cost of mutual destruction. I said in the NASL thread that I was totally sure it was retribution for EG disrespecting a Korean team with the Puma "scandal." Of course I'm not suggesting Koreans are "evil" or anything. I just question any governing body that doesn't have a global participation otherwise it's going to definitely shut out the outside world eventually. | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
On August 14 2011 14:51 vertical101 wrote: im curious why zenex player stop streaming damnit SC2con ruining esport. I watched Puzzle streaming earlier. | ||
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iruel
Canada75 Posts
On August 14 2011 14:05 DarkDolphin wrote: You gotta do what you gotta do, Starcraft 2 is no longer "Just Korea" , if that was the case we would be run by the Evil Empire ( Kespa ) Good Job FXO. -SC2CON = Evil Empire. -FXO = Rebel Alliance :D - On a more serious note, i believe the International teams, FXO, TL;, EG dignitas etc etc, Should start thinking of creating an organization, SC2CON / KESPA are not acceptable SC2 is not just Korea, we are no longer in Broodwar , in the times where the Evil Empire ruled the Kuprulu Sector. -however something like SC2CON is needed but should not be exclusive or just Korea, such thing is unacceptable, GJ FXOBOSS. :D -PS. : I officially declare SC2CON "EVIL EMPIRE" from now on. i take issue with your analogy. the empire was just trying to bring order to the galaxy. don't go throwing "evil" around willy nilly. the rebel alliance killed thousands of hardworking innocent death star crew members, and you make them out to be the "good guys". + Show Spoiler + i think i would usually not post this but i'm drunk and on heavy painkillers from surgery and i sick and tired of rebel scum ragging on the empire all the time | ||
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Trang
Australia324 Posts
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
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I am sorry, I can't begin streaming again. I belong to the SC2 Association (E/N: 
