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dudecrush
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susySquark
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Logginurkeyz
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Auross
Brazil104 Posts
We obviously don't know the whole story, but even if FXOBoSs was just to tell his side he already wins a lot of points for keping so much transparency; more power to him! SC2con, STOP HURTING ESPORTS! | ||
OneWhoIsMany
Canada292 Posts
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Al Bundy
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On August 14 2011 14:32 magnaflow wrote: Move the whole team to the house in Malaysia boss, pull out of the GSL and dominate the foreign tournaments Please don't do this. We need FXO in the GSL ! | ||
mikyaJ
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On August 14 2011 14:32 TDN3 wrote: Can anyone explain to me what exactly Kespa did? I didn't follow Broodwar, so I have no idea what happened. I heard that they forced players to practice days and night and stuff like that. What happens if they don't follow and practice 12hr/day but still do good? Do they still get kicked out? Do they take away players earnings? How come people are so scared about them. I thought every sport organization has some kind of control over players and can fine them if they want. For example, the NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL all fine their players certain amount of money if they say something that doesn't help the organization's image. I've seen this multiple times. My guess is that Kespa does the same thing. To what extend to they control the players? Kespa doesn't just control SC players right? They're an organization that control the general esport in Korea, including other games? Yes they did things like set minimum practice hours and essentially code of conduct for players, among other things. They did many good things for esports in Korea, but some notable things they did bad were: -Boycott Gomtv's BW league they made (ie tell players they couldn't play in it or they would have their progaming licenses revoked (which made them able to play in the MSL/OSL/Proleague)), essentially limiting the Korean tournament scene to OSL/MSL/Proleague and occasional special leagues like STX Master's, er hurting Esports. -Defacing NaDa after he switched to SC2 -People don't like them as well because they are strict in their sometimes bureaucratic rules such as pausing without typing pp resulting in disqualifications | ||
fellcrow
United States288 Posts
SC2Con does NOT work like NFL. When you are part of NFL, you play in NFL league, so you are subject to their regulations. NFL = GomTV or NASL but NFL =/= SC2Con. If SC2Con wanted to, they could have all the teams part of SC2Con to boycott like GSL or something to get GSL to do something, but they don't directly control anything. | ||
Ribbon
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Dr.Sin
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SecondChance
Australia603 Posts
Right now, your post consists of - Sc2con did this and this, it was very bad and we don't like it. Thus, we have decided to leave Sc2con. That's fine and it sounds like it was the best course of action for FXO. I'm not one to pry for information, but if you can't give detailed examples, or give proof, or something your story is just a story. If there are legal reasons or for some other reason you can't disclose information, that's fine. I also realise TL.net is an sc2 fan site. We can't and shouldn't expect you to tell us everything you know about your own personal issues; I understand that. However, a little more detail is necessary imo. | ||
tubs
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I'm raging a storm after reading this. What can we do? | ||
Termit
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Medrea
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On August 14 2011 14:39 mikyaJ wrote: Yes they did things like set minimum practice hours and essentially code of conduct for players, among other things. They did many good things for esports in Korea, but some notable things they did bad were: -Boycott Gomtv's BW league they made (ie tell players they couldn't play in it or they would have their progaming licenses revoked (which made them able to play in the MSL/OSL/Proleague)), essentially limiting the Korean tournament scene to OSL/MSL/Proleague and occasional special leagues like STX Master's, er hurting Esports. -Defacing NaDa after he switched to SC2 -People don't like them as well because they are strict in their sometimes bureaucratic rules such as pausing without typing pp resulting in disqualifications When did this happen? Link? | ||
Eko200
United States101 Posts
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
On August 14 2011 14:41 SecondChance wrote: What are we supposed to make of this? I'm certainly not calling you a liar by any means, or accusing you of making up stories; but for what reason can you not even provide an example of a phone call you received, or a threat or some experience that you can retell that would at least add some sustenance to your story? Right now, your post consists of - Sc2con did this and this, it was very bad and we don't like it. Thus, we have decided to leave Sc2con. I'm not one to pry for information, but if you can't give detailed examples, or give proof, or something your story is just a story. If there are legal reasons or for some other reason you can't disclose information, that's fine. I also realise TL.net is an sc2 fan site. We can't and shouldn't expect you to tell us everything you know about your own personal issues; I understand that. However, a little more detail is necessary imo. 2 days ago, choya got a call at midnight with someone arguing with him about our team uniforms. That enough for you? I try not to release too many details incase legalities ensue, and by mentioning the above statement, I can no longer use it in court if necessary as its been tainted by public knowledge. But since that was the least of if, it is an example. When choya said "talk to Josh" i.e me. They wouldnt. Whilst, of course honesty is a very big thing in any announcement, you have to understand there are legalities involved and posting every single thing can taint any legal case against someone. | ||
MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On August 14 2011 14:41 SecondChance wrote: What are we supposed to make of this? I'm certainly not calling you a liar by any means, or accusing you of making up stories; but for what reason can you not even provide an example of a phone call you received, or a threat or some experience that you can retell that would at least add some sustenance to your story? Right now, your post consists of - Sc2con did this and this, it was very bad and we don't like it. Thus, we have decided to leave Sc2con. That's fine and it sounds like it was the best course of action for FXO. I'm not one to pry for information, but if you can't give detailed examples, or give proof, or something your story is just a story. If there are legal reasons or for some other reason you can't disclose information, that's fine. I also realise TL.net is an sc2 fan site. We can't and shouldn't expect you to tell us everything you know about your own personal issues; I understand that. However, a little more detail is necessary imo. Your supposed to understand that FXO has left the sc2con. He is not stating that sc2con should be hated by the community. He simply stated that he had issues with them, then he listed the issues and finally said that because of said issues FXO is leaving sc2con. Its an announcement, he doesn't need to give more detail because it is his decision how he manages his team. | ||
GoodRamen
United States713 Posts
On August 14 2011 14:39 mikyaJ wrote: Yes they did things like set minimum practice hours and essentially code of conduct for players, among other things. They did many good things for esports in Korea, but some notable things they did bad were: -Boycott Gomtv's BW league they made (ie tell players they couldn't play in it or they would have their progaming licenses revoked (which made them able to play in the MSL/OSL/Proleague)), essentially limiting the Korean tournament scene to OSL/MSL/Proleague and occasional special leagues like STX Master's, er hurting Esports. -Defacing NaDa after he switched to SC2 -People don't like them as well because they are strict in their sometimes bureaucratic rules such as pausing without typing pp resulting in disqualifications -Actually i think it was the teams decision to not join since only 5 teams were willing to come back for a season 4 so there was no point. SKT iirc did not participate in season 3 at all. -They said it was a glitch so im half and half on this -Well they did set the rules and if you are a professional you would follow it and thats what kespa did | ||
Duravi
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Syben
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