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dudecrush
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada418 Posts
August 14 2011 05:36 GMT
#121
This is so confusing. I don't know what to think or believe.
susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
August 14 2011 05:36 GMT
#122
sc2con is different from the players association? Or is it one and the same?
Logginurkeyz
Profile Joined September 2010
United States375 Posts
August 14 2011 05:37 GMT
#123
All this stuff I've been reading lately about KR players vs foreign players and the governing organizations- it sounds like BW KR vs the world all over again =0\ Except this time it's looking like KR is going to be getting the short end of the stick; what with how popular SC2 is outside of KR- and how it is still less popular than BW in KR...
Jemag... Jemag... you're like an alcoholic telling me why you drink... you have your reasons, but it's still bad... <3 iNcontroL
Auross
Profile Joined May 2011
Brazil104 Posts
August 14 2011 05:38 GMT
#124
This whole drama is terrible news. The SC2 comunity must stick togheter in order to grow rule the world!
We obviously don't know the whole story, but even if FXOBoSs was just to tell his side he already wins a lot of points for keping so much transparency; more power to him!

SC2con, STOP HURTING ESPORTS!
OneWhoIsMany
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada292 Posts
August 14 2011 05:38 GMT
#125
I hope SC2CON has no lasting influence on the Korean scene, or any organizations that act in such a closed door manner. It seems to always result in perpetually controlling organizations that impact everything they touch in a negative manner.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
August 14 2011 05:38 GMT
#126
On August 14 2011 14:32 magnaflow wrote:
Move the whole team to the house in Malaysia boss, pull out of the GSL and dominate the foreign tournaments

Please don't do this. We need FXO in the GSL !
o choro é livre
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 05:40:03
August 14 2011 05:39 GMT
#127
On August 14 2011 14:32 TDN3 wrote:
Can anyone explain to me what exactly Kespa did? I didn't follow Broodwar, so I have no idea what happened. I heard that they forced players to practice days and night and stuff like that. What happens if they don't follow and practice 12hr/day but still do good? Do they still get kicked out? Do they take away players earnings? How come people are so scared about them.

I thought every sport organization has some kind of control over players and can fine them if they want. For example, the NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL all fine their players certain amount of money if they say something that doesn't help the organization's image. I've seen this multiple times. My guess is that Kespa does the same thing. To what extend to they control the players? Kespa doesn't just control SC players right? They're an organization that control the general esport in Korea, including other games?

Yes they did things like set minimum practice hours and essentially code of conduct for players, among other things. They did many good things for esports in Korea, but some notable things they did bad were:

-Boycott Gomtv's BW league they made (ie tell players they couldn't play in it or they would have their progaming licenses revoked (which made them able to play in the MSL/OSL/Proleague)), essentially limiting the Korean tournament scene to OSL/MSL/Proleague and occasional special leagues like STX Master's, er hurting Esports.

-Defacing NaDa after he switched to SC2

-People don't like them as well because they are strict in their sometimes bureaucratic rules such as pausing without typing pp resulting in disqualifications
MKP||TSL
fellcrow
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States288 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 05:42:49
August 14 2011 05:39 GMT
#128
If I'm not mistaken, SC2Con is just an organization of teams who choose to join it. And if you join it, you are subject to it's rules or regulations and you vote on things as part of the organization, sort of like NATO? (Someone correct me if I'm wrong) But, outside of SC2Con, they don't have authority over any tournaments or anything. Just the teams that agree to be part of it.

SC2Con does NOT work like NFL. When you are part of NFL, you play in NFL league, so you are subject to their regulations. NFL = GomTV or NASL but NFL =/= SC2Con. If SC2Con wanted to, they could have all the teams part of SC2Con to boycott like GSL or something to get GSL to do something, but they don't directly control anything.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
August 14 2011 05:40 GMT
#129
Does SC2Con actually have any power at all? Even beyond official power, do players in Korea generally care if a team is SC2Con approved or not?
Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
August 14 2011 05:40 GMT
#130
This is the time where we need quality journalism to investigate what sc2con is, how it works and to document unethical behavior. For SC2 to grow as an e-sport, their actions are becoming increasingly questionable and counterproductive.
SecondChance
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia603 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 05:41:49
August 14 2011 05:41 GMT
#131
What are we supposed to make of this? I'm certainly not calling you a liar by any means, or accusing you of making up stories; but for what reason can you not even provide an example of a phone call you received, or a threat or some experience that you can retell that would at least add some sustenance to your story?

Right now, your post consists of - Sc2con did this and this, it was very bad and we don't like it. Thus, we have decided to leave Sc2con. That's fine and it sounds like it was the best course of action for FXO.

I'm not one to pry for information, but if you can't give detailed examples, or give proof, or something your story is just a story. If there are legal reasons or for some other reason you can't disclose information, that's fine.

I also realise TL.net is an sc2 fan site. We can't and shouldn't expect you to tell us everything you know about your own personal issues; I understand that. However, a little more detail is necessary imo.
I see the want to in your eyes.
tubs
Profile Joined March 2010
764 Posts
August 14 2011 05:41 GMT
#132
Wow. My total respect to FXOBoss for standing up to that absolute BS. Glad to have people like you in the SC2 community.

I'm raging a storm after reading this. What can we do?
"Roach dies to immortal and rockit black guy" - Tierdal.thex
Termit
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3466 Posts
August 14 2011 05:42 GMT
#133
Sounds really fucked up. What kind of persons are in charge of this sc2con? O_O
( ̄。 ̄)~zzz ◕ ◡ ◕
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
August 14 2011 05:43 GMT
#134
On August 14 2011 14:39 mikyaJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 14:32 TDN3 wrote:
Can anyone explain to me what exactly Kespa did? I didn't follow Broodwar, so I have no idea what happened. I heard that they forced players to practice days and night and stuff like that. What happens if they don't follow and practice 12hr/day but still do good? Do they still get kicked out? Do they take away players earnings? How come people are so scared about them.

I thought every sport organization has some kind of control over players and can fine them if they want. For example, the NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL all fine their players certain amount of money if they say something that doesn't help the organization's image. I've seen this multiple times. My guess is that Kespa does the same thing. To what extend to they control the players? Kespa doesn't just control SC players right? They're an organization that control the general esport in Korea, including other games?

Yes they did things like set minimum practice hours and essentially code of conduct for players, among other things. They did many good things for esports in Korea, but some notable things they did bad were:

-Boycott Gomtv's BW league they made (ie tell players they couldn't play in it or they would have their progaming licenses revoked (which made them able to play in the MSL/OSL/Proleague)), essentially limiting the Korean tournament scene to OSL/MSL/Proleague and occasional special leagues like STX Master's, er hurting Esports.

-Defacing NaDa after he switched to SC2

-People don't like them as well because they are strict in their sometimes bureaucratic rules such as pausing without typing pp resulting in disqualifications

When did this happen? Link?
twitch.tv/medrea
Eko200
Profile Joined December 2010
United States101 Posts
August 14 2011 05:44 GMT
#135
Between Kespa and Sc2Con the image of South Korea's progaming in the minds of foreigners is starting to become tarnished.
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
August 14 2011 05:44 GMT
#136
On August 14 2011 14:41 SecondChance wrote:
What are we supposed to make of this? I'm certainly not calling you a liar by any means, or accusing you of making up stories; but for what reason can you not even provide an example of a phone call you received, or a threat or some experience that you can retell that would at least add some sustenance to your story?

Right now, your post consists of - Sc2con did this and this, it was very bad and we don't like it. Thus, we have decided to leave Sc2con.

I'm not one to pry for information, but if you can't give detailed examples, or give proof, or something your story is just a story. If there are legal reasons or for some other reason you can't disclose information, that's fine.

I also realise TL.net is an sc2 fan site. We can't and shouldn't expect you to tell us everything you know about your own personal issues; I understand that. However, a little more detail is necessary imo.


2 days ago, choya got a call at midnight with someone arguing with him about our team uniforms.

That enough for you? I try not to release too many details incase legalities ensue, and by mentioning the above statement, I can no longer use it in court if necessary as its been tainted by public knowledge. But since that was the least of if, it is an example.

When choya said "talk to Josh" i.e me. They wouldnt.

Whilst, of course honesty is a very big thing in any announcement, you have to understand there are legalities involved and posting every single thing can taint any legal case against someone.
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
August 14 2011 05:44 GMT
#137
On August 14 2011 14:41 SecondChance wrote:
What are we supposed to make of this? I'm certainly not calling you a liar by any means, or accusing you of making up stories; but for what reason can you not even provide an example of a phone call you received, or a threat or some experience that you can retell that would at least add some sustenance to your story?

Right now, your post consists of - Sc2con did this and this, it was very bad and we don't like it. Thus, we have decided to leave Sc2con. That's fine and it sounds like it was the best course of action for FXO.

I'm not one to pry for information, but if you can't give detailed examples, or give proof, or something your story is just a story. If there are legal reasons or for some other reason you can't disclose information, that's fine.

I also realise TL.net is an sc2 fan site. We can't and shouldn't expect you to tell us everything you know about your own personal issues; I understand that. However, a little more detail is necessary imo.


Your supposed to understand that FXO has left the sc2con. He is not stating that sc2con should be hated by the community. He simply stated that he had issues with them, then he listed the issues and finally said that because of said issues FXO is leaving sc2con. Its an announcement, he doesn't need to give more detail because it is his decision how he manages his team.
GoodRamen
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States713 Posts
August 14 2011 05:44 GMT
#138
On August 14 2011 14:39 mikyaJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 14:32 TDN3 wrote:
Can anyone explain to me what exactly Kespa did? I didn't follow Broodwar, so I have no idea what happened. I heard that they forced players to practice days and night and stuff like that. What happens if they don't follow and practice 12hr/day but still do good? Do they still get kicked out? Do they take away players earnings? How come people are so scared about them.

I thought every sport organization has some kind of control over players and can fine them if they want. For example, the NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL all fine their players certain amount of money if they say something that doesn't help the organization's image. I've seen this multiple times. My guess is that Kespa does the same thing. To what extend to they control the players? Kespa doesn't just control SC players right? They're an organization that control the general esport in Korea, including other games?

Yes they did things like set minimum practice hours and essentially code of conduct for players, among other things. They did many good things for esports in Korea, but some notable things they did bad were:

-Boycott Gomtv's BW league they made (ie tell players they couldn't play in it or they would have their progaming licenses revoked (which made them able to play in the MSL/OSL/Proleague)), essentially limiting the Korean tournament scene to OSL/MSL/Proleague and occasional special leagues like STX Master's, er hurting Esports.

-Defacing NaDa after he switched to SC2

-People don't like them as well because they are strict in their sometimes bureaucratic rules such as pausing without typing pp resulting in disqualifications


-Actually i think it was the teams decision to not join since only 5 teams were willing to come back for a season 4 so there was no point. SKT iirc did not participate in season 3 at all.

-They said it was a glitch so im half and half on this

-Well they did set the rules and if you are a professional you would follow it and thats what kespa did

#1 Fantasy Fan!!!!
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
August 14 2011 05:44 GMT
#139
Hopefully your example will give other coaches/managers/teams who are unhappy with the current situation the courage to leave SC2Con as well.
Syben
Profile Joined October 2010
United States512 Posts
August 14 2011 05:45 GMT
#140
What will the repercussions be for leaving sc2con?
Definitely gonna switch to G, the only race I havent played yet. - TLO
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