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TDN3
Profile Joined August 2011
United States81 Posts
August 14 2011 06:15 GMT
#221
On August 14 2011 14:45 Defacer wrote:
I'll just quote myself, because I called it.


Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 10:04 Defacer wrote:
On August 14 2011 09:52 Blitz Beat wrote:
On August 14 2011 09:50 Defacer wrote:
On August 14 2011 09:47 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
On August 14 2011 09:45 Defacer wrote:
FXOBoss or anyone else,

What are the benefits of dealing with SC2Con, exactly? And what do they actually do as a governing organization?

Do they have a board of governors?
A charter of player's rights?
Do they offer health insurance?
Are they financially liable in anyway?

I'm not being facetious. Most union's or independent organizations actually do something or have so kind of mission or agenda. What is theirs?


And finally the correct question has been asked!

Answer: + Show Spoiler +
They read the rules to the coaches before GTSL matches



Are you fucking shitting me? LOL. Well, that's something.


I thought SC2CON was a union made by the players, coaches, and managers. Where they try to establish guidelines on player working conditions, conflicts among teams, and stuff like that.


I think that is the intent, but this is what I imagine.

I suspect SC2Con, in actuality, is a small group of 'insiders' or greybeards from the Broodwar days comprised mainly of Team Managers and Coaches, that conspire together and force collusion and conformity between the teams. While they occasionally look out for player rights, they actually limit their opportunities and mobility, enforce working conditions only tolerable in Asian countries, and in general, have no formal process for selecting leaders or making decision.

FXOBoss or anyone else in the know: is this a fair assumption or completely off-base?




If it's right, then I guess these Broodwar guys want to kill SC2; but doing this won't help the players as they represent the players themselves. This would also hurt GomTV. I guess GomTV should do something about this organization.
Zerothegreat
Profile Joined September 2010
United States787 Posts
August 14 2011 06:16 GMT
#222
Never seen the word whilst used so much lol!

On topic... I would have made the same decision. It's nice to see people stand up for their team.
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
August 14 2011 06:16 GMT
#223
What does the sc2con really do?

Some teams are part of it, some teams are not part of it (notably slayers, and now fxo). If anyone can join and leave with no repercussions, what sort of power does this organization hold over anyone? if they dont like something the team can just quit...the it seems like it's a pretty irrelevant organization, or atleast heading towards it.
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
August 14 2011 06:16 GMT
#224
On August 14 2011 15:14 Reasonable wrote:
I don't mean to give an MBA lecture, but this is a typical problem when a company expands into a country without adjusting their business attitude. Eventually weird shit starts happening and you wonder wtf is going on.

Try to get a Korean partner that can help you with understanding the problem. He can be a lawyer, a friend, an expert in esports business or Korean business in general. Obviously that organization wants something from you because you've upset something for them. Perhaps you cost them a number of viewers for some weird reason, maybe you failed to bow in a specific way when you approached them, you never know. That's why you need to employ an expert (at least temporarily) to guide you through.

Here is a video that might be helpful to understand the depth of the concept:


Choya is korean.. but thanks.
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
August 14 2011 06:17 GMT
#225
On August 14 2011 15:14 Reasonable wrote:
I don't mean to give an MBA lecture, but this is a typical problem when a company expands into a country without adjusting their business attitude. Eventually weird shit starts happening and you wonder wtf is going on.

Try to get a Korean partner that can help you with understanding the problem. He can be a lawyer, a friend, an expert in esports business or Korean business in general. Obviously that organization wants something from you because you've upset something for them. Perhaps you cost them a number of viewers for some weird reason, maybe you failed to bow in a specific way when you approached them, you never know. That's why you need to employ an expert (at least temporarily) to guide you through.

Here is a video that might be helpful to understand the depth of the concept:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOPuvTMndIs


Considering that FXO, the forex company, operates internationally with a heavy focus in Asia, they probably know this concept better than you do.
Thank God and gunrun.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 06:18:13
August 14 2011 06:17 GMT
#226
On August 14 2011 15:14 Reasonable wrote:
I don't mean to give an MBA lecture, but this is a typical problem when a company expands into a country without adjusting their business attitude. Eventually weird shit starts happening and you wonder wtf is going on.

Try to get a Korean partner that can help you with understanding the problem. He can be a lawyer, a friend, an expert in esports business or Korean business in general. Obviously that organization wants something from you because you've upset something for them. Perhaps you cost them a number of viewers for some weird reason, maybe you failed to bow in a specific way when you approached them, you never know. That's why you need to employ an expert (at least temporarily) to guide you through.

Here is a video that might be helpful to understand the depth of the concept:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOPuvTMndIs

Didn't Boss say Choya was the one getting the calls, and they refused to speak to the "ignorant outsider"?

Edit: SHIT double ninja, including Boss lol D:
Colonial
Profile Joined June 2011
United States81 Posts
August 14 2011 06:18 GMT
#227
On August 14 2011 15:13 BoomNasty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 15:10 Kallozar wrote:
Well Koreans believe another KESPA should be built to manage the teams etc....I think the future of SC2 lies in foreign teams and their management.....Jason Lake alrdy said coL would pick up the entire MVP team....FXO Korea....EG picking up Puma then maybe replacing their crappy US Roster with an entire Korean team.....I hope Fnatic & SK Gaming get further involed as well...Hopefully mTw and mousesports as well.

I'd like to see TSL picked up and supported financially by a foreign team...I'd like to see SK throw their entire weight behind all of oGs instead of just MC and Nada...I'd like to Fnatic pick up a Korean team like zenex or IM or prime.

The only real korean teams that should be left untouched are SlayerS and Startale as they are the biggest and most funded it seems.

BW has Korean phone companies...

SC2 would have Foreign and corporate backed teams.

SK Gaming, Fnatic, mTw, EG, coL, Mouz, in the GSTL etc Would be awesome.


i dont know if oGs would just throw TL under the bus and be picked up by SK gaming, i only find a flaw in that. if anything im sure oGs would do some type of full partnership with TL and merge as one team


Yeah or a full merge with Liquid. But It would be amazing to see Foreign teams picking up full Korean teams.
"All your parties are our pre-parties cause you ain't from IV!"
Carthac
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States393 Posts
August 14 2011 06:18 GMT
#228
So does this have anything to do with the team appearing on GOM TV? Will they still be allowed to participate individually, in the team league, etc.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
August 14 2011 06:19 GMT
#229
I don't like how this is visible at all it could be fabricated lies let's see if you truly wanted to come clean at least show us the messages you receive during all the threats so we know how they man handle in to certain position and over all it's all one sided and everyone has something to say when they are not in front of the person they are talking too . If you are going to talk about P&C than these news should have been kept at low profile and not defaming the other party which is sc2 con without any evidence or so .

I like how you guys paint the picture where foreigners are the good guy and anything korean related are kespa 2.0 keep it up this is probably why there can never be any ventures between the foreign scene and the korean .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
August 14 2011 06:19 GMT
#230
I think that I will be able to solve all this pretty quickly. Judging by the overall reaction I have gotten.
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
Stress
Profile Joined February 2011
United States980 Posts
August 14 2011 06:20 GMT
#231
Funny thing is, I also thought from the way FXOBoSs acted in interviews, that he didn't take shit from no one and he really seemed to care about his players. Clearly the community here on TL don't know the whole story of why they left SC2Con but I would be willing to wager that it was for good reason(s).
"Touch my gosu hands." - Tastosis | | fOrGG // MC // Jaedong
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
August 14 2011 06:20 GMT
#232
WTF, why does all the drama lately surround this stupid sc2con.

The entire debacle with TSL and Coach Lee.
The unreasonable demands and subsequent rapid withdrawal of korean players from the NASL.
And now this.

...wtf...why do people associate with this association.
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 06:20:54
August 14 2011 06:20 GMT
#233
On August 14 2011 15:19 FXOpen wrote:
I think that I will be able to solve all this pretty quickly. Judging by the overall reaction I have gotten.



Boss do you know how the Korean players are feeling about all this drama?
Phats
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia534 Posts
August 14 2011 06:20 GMT
#234
On August 14 2011 15:19 Sawamura wrote:
I don't like how this is visible at all it could be fabricated lies let's see if you truly wanted to come clean at least show us the messages you receive during all the threats so we know how they man handle in to certain position and over all it's all one sided and everyone has something to say when they are not in front of the person they are talking too . If you are going to talk about P&C than these news should have been kept at low profile and not defaming the other party which is sc2 con without any evidence or so .

I like how you guys paint the picture where foreigners are the good guy and anything korean related are kespa 2.0 keep it up this is probably why there can never be any ventures between the foreign scene and the korean .


What the F, are you retarded?

User was warned for this post
reneg
Profile Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
August 14 2011 06:22 GMT
#235
All i can say is, thank God for people like FXOboss, who apparently has enough of a spine to stand up against these guys when the other korean teams can't / won't.

Much props, and here's hoping it all works out. When i first heard of sc2con, i thought it was going to be a good thing, looking out for players etc. I didn't realize they would immediately throw themselves into a situation where they blackmail and extort all the member teams / players.

Thanks again boss, for standing up for what's right
moose...indian
supdubdup
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States916 Posts
August 14 2011 06:22 GMT
#236
Lol @ threats. Also loved your ending comment boss, "peace." ^_^. Hopefully all this will pan out to something great for everybody.
Turn it Up
ReturnStroke
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States801 Posts
August 14 2011 06:22 GMT
#237
Thank you for the EDIT. That helps clear things up.
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
August 14 2011 06:22 GMT
#238
On August 14 2011 15:19 Sawamura wrote:
I don't like how this is visible at all it could be fabricated lies let's see if you truly wanted to come clean at least show us the messages you receive during all the threats so we know how they man handle in to certain position and over all it's all one sided and everyone has something to say when they are not in front of the person they are talking too . If you are going to talk about P&C than these news should have been kept at low profile and not defaming the other party which is sc2 con without any evidence or so .

I like how you guys paint the picture where foreigners are the good guy and anything korean related are kespa 2.0 keep it up this is probably why there can never be any ventures between the foreign scene and the korean .

why the fuck should FXO be lying?
StarcraftChicago
Profile Joined June 2011
United States51 Posts
August 14 2011 06:22 GMT
#239
I'm curious if this sc2con was affiliated with Startales changing their mcdonald's logo to the Carl's Jr logo. I also think about how many Korean players had their names changed as of late. Then my last thought with the growth of tournaments in NA and EU, does GSL/Gom really matter to those in the west?

Let the KR's deal with KR organizations, don't think it will stop people from playing.
www.StarcraftChicago.com
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
August 14 2011 06:23 GMT
#240
On August 14 2011 15:20 Phats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 15:19 Sawamura wrote:
I don't like how this is visible at all it could be fabricated lies let's see if you truly wanted to come clean at least show us the messages you receive during all the threats so we know how they man handle in to certain position and over all it's all one sided and everyone has something to say when they are not in front of the person they are talking too . If you are going to talk about P&C than these news should have been kept at low profile and not defaming the other party which is sc2 con without any evidence or so .

I like how you guys paint the picture where foreigners are the good guy and anything korean related are kespa 2.0 keep it up this is probably why there can never be any ventures between the foreign scene and the korean .


What the F, are you retarded?


On August 14 2011 14:04 3xiLe wrote:
More drama. It seems there has been a lot of new drama in the last few months. I hope the best for all of you people, and that's disgusting that they'd call you up and threaten you. It really does look like, which you mentioned, it may become KesPA 2.0

Actually, now I think about it, it almost reminds me of Animal Farm, ha. When it was briefly mentioned at the beginning of GSL and whatever, it was almost like "NO WE'RE NOT KESPA, YES WE'RE NOT KESPA, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BECOME KESPA", now it looks like they're the pigs.


Not retarded too ?
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
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