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Castles
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada77 Posts
August 14 2011 06:31 GMT
#261
Thanks for keeping it honest FXO, we really appreciate it
ITSGOD
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
August 14 2011 06:31 GMT
#262
So first they slander TSL and their coach's name without knowing all the facts and now this. This is no Kespa. Kespa was a major player in facilitating e-sports in Korea. SC2Con is too self serving to do this for SC2.
神は乗り越えられる試練しか与えない
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
August 14 2011 06:32 GMT
#263
It seems that if something is not done soon Korea will risk alienating themselves from the foreign community and maybe even more players with them. I know SC is a matter of pride in Korea, but it sounds more and more like they will not be willing to accept that maybe the scene is moving away from them.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
Kaz04
Profile Joined September 2010
United States53 Posts
August 14 2011 06:32 GMT
#264
Im actually pissed that Korea is going this way right now... Its unbelieveable to think that they think that they can push around the foreigners and make them do as they please... Its sick because I feel like a good chunk of the reason the SC2 scene in Korea is still alive is because of foreign intrest... Its a friggen shame
cha0
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada508 Posts
August 14 2011 06:32 GMT
#265
So anyone else wondering about the whole FruitDealer and Tester situation? In my opinion their 'coming out with the truth' about how they were lying the whole time sounded really forced to me and now with this new info who knows, maybe SC2CON was blackmailing or threatening them too? Really hard to develop trust when so much shady stuff is going on behind closed doors.
p T r
Profile Joined November 2010
United States94 Posts
August 14 2011 06:33 GMT
#266
SC2Con making me sad man
duckTemplar
Profile Joined February 2011
United States200 Posts
August 14 2011 06:34 GMT
#267
Same reason Slayers team is not part of SC2con either. This will NOT affect GSL & GSTL. So I say let them run the circus. It'll be good while it lasts.
The first word Kerrigan said to Raynor was "...You Pig!", to Raynor's response "What? ... oh you're a psychic"
thee telescopes
Profile Joined August 2010
321 Posts
August 14 2011 06:35 GMT
#268
Man, poor Choya must have had a lot of stress in the past month or so.
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
August 14 2011 06:35 GMT
#269
Just to get this clear, the problem is with ONE guy who's currently (formerly by now?) representing sc2con, and the rest of the organization (coaches, players, managers) is a-okay? Can't the coaches just kick this guy out given the evidence of what's been going on?
Taengoo ♥
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
August 14 2011 06:35 GMT
#270
On August 14 2011 15:31 JLew wrote:
Read through the thread, was wondering if we as the community could get some actual concrete facts on what specifically SC2Con is. As someone who follows the SC2 scene quite closely and also has a fairly good grasp on business/politics I find myself totally confused by this entire situation. If you could even update the OP with information about SC2con I'm sure many would be appreciative.

I have always had the understanding the SC2Con was started and ran by the coaches/managers of the main teams in the Korean SC2 scene (people like Choya, TheWind, etc. ), but major issues have indicated this isn't quite the case. Who runs this organization? And if teams can simply opt out of it and still compete in major Korean events then what is even the point of it? Do they actually work in conjunction with GomTV? Any light that could be shed on the subject would be amazing, because the past few days we have heard a ton of controversy surrounding SC2Con (TSL incident, NASL incident, and now this ) and I don't think people know exactly what to picture when thinking about/discussing these matters.



I asked the same question in the other thread.

No one can give a concrete answer about SC2Con, it's leadership, it's process, it's responsibilities or it's agenda. That's the problem.

It's a self-appointed, slap-dash organization.
antas
Profile Joined August 2010
Indonesia300 Posts
August 14 2011 06:35 GMT
#271
More drama *sigh ..

I hope Milkis can shed more light into this.

I will hold my thought until I got more information. It seems that something is not right ..
Entaro Adun!
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
August 14 2011 06:36 GMT
#272
sc2con is a community organisation of pro teams. In order to help each other grow. They are basically helping each other in business.. And they do.

Our problem is with 1 person. Whom now I am in contact with.
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
TDN3
Profile Joined August 2011
United States81 Posts
August 14 2011 06:37 GMT
#273
On August 14 2011 14:59 stormchaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 14:55 TDN3 wrote:
On August 14 2011 14:41 SecondChance wrote:
What are we supposed to make of this? I'm certainly not calling you a liar by any means, or accusing you of making up stories; but for what reason can you not even provide an example of a phone call you received, or a threat or some experience that you can retell that would at least add some sustenance to your story?

Right now, your post consists of - Sc2con did this and this, it was very bad and we don't like it. Thus, we have decided to leave Sc2con. That's fine and it sounds like it was the best course of action for FXO.

I'm not one to pry for information, but if you can't give detailed examples, or give proof, or something your story is just a story. If there are legal reasons or for some other reason you can't disclose information, that's fine.

I also realise TL.net is an sc2 fan site. We can't and shouldn't expect you to tell us everything you know about your own personal issues; I understand that. However, a little more detail is necessary imo.


Agree, seen I've heard that in Korean culture people are really respectful and that crime is rare in Korea. It's hard to believe that people from such culture would threaten you like some mafia gangs for no reason.

There are good and bad people, no matter where you're from. You seriously think every Korean is as humble as the pro sc2 players? You're making an extremely stupid assumption and such an idea never has existed and never will.


I don't assume every Korean is a good person, but assuming an organization consisting of experience people. I'm assuming the chance that this group of experience people being evil and disrespectful is just ridiculous.

...and you know what's more stupid than an "extremely stupid assumption"? It's the person that calls others stupid.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
August 14 2011 06:37 GMT
#274
If the leader of this organization can't even talk to FXOBoss himself it's really fucken sad.

Sc2con seems to have developed into some retards with no big-picture view and with no power trying to make something out of nothing.

I really wish you could divulge more details about exact threats etc. etc. FXOboss, or atleast for Choya to make a statement in Korean (if it hasn't already happened I'm not too well informed).

But what can really be expected...does any memeber of Sc2con who is actually in charge of making their stupid decisions have any real business experience? Probably not.

P.s. fuck oops lee still.
why so 진지해?
Futarchy
Profile Joined June 2011
Singapore59 Posts
August 14 2011 06:38 GMT
#275
Good on FXO to shade some light on what seems like a rather shady association, given the amount of controversy that has recently erupted. All the best in your endeavours!
dormer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1314 Posts
August 14 2011 06:38 GMT
#276
On August 14 2011 15:36 FXOpen wrote:
sc2con is a community organisation of pro teams. In order to help each other grow. They are basically helping each other in business.. And they do.

Our problem is with 1 person. Whom now I am in contact with.


Managed to get their attention, huh? :-p
I say bravo for standing up to them -- best of luck in getting things sorted out and hopefully improving the situation over there.
Artosis: "You need to hold my hand." Tasteless: "I'm very good at that."
dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 06:41:09
August 14 2011 06:38 GMT
#277
If sc2con is as bad as they seem, then everyone should boycott them and have real professionals start an organization with their goals..

Good luck dealing with the leader, FXOBoSs! =/
Don't let those anti-cheese advocates tell you what to do. Rush to meet life head on!
KoshkaTV
Profile Joined October 2010
United States430 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 06:40:22
August 14 2011 06:38 GMT
#278
Great example FXO.

We've seen of late how players and teams have suffered in silence during some pretty shady Korean situations (I recall there was even an instance of sexual harassment involving a team in GSL 1 or 2, the whole TSL team issue, the EG and Puma issue with player not being contracted or paid).

When good people step up and say they won't be a part of a shady organization, it helps others who are fearful to do so as well.

The more transparency and openness in the SC2 economy the less the players will be getting screwed.





www.KoshkaTV.com
jazzminkey
Profile Joined December 2010
United States53 Posts
August 14 2011 06:38 GMT
#279
Will FXO players still be allowed to play in the GSL?
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
August 14 2011 06:39 GMT
#280
I already thought the excuse they gave for the NASL withdrawal was complete bullshit. After hearing this, I've gone from not being fond of them to flat out disliking them. Even KESPA only slightly irks me, I don't flat out dislike them. Sad to see them alienating themselves...
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