So first they slander TSL and their coach's name without knowing all the facts and now this. This is no Kespa. Kespa was a major player in facilitating e-sports in Korea. SC2Con is too self serving to do this for SC2.

TheAmazombie

United States3714 Posts

August 14 2011 06:32 GMT

#263

It seems that if something is not done soon Korea will risk alienating themselves from the foreign community and maybe even more players with them. I know SC is a matter of pride in Korea, but it sounds more and more like they will not be willing to accept that maybe the scene is moving away from them.

Kaz04

United States53 Posts

August 14 2011 06:32 GMT

#264

Im actually pissed that Korea is going this way right now... Its unbelieveable to think that they think that they can push around the foreigners and make them do as they please... Its sick because I feel like a good chunk of the reason the SC2 scene in Korea is still alive is because of foreign intrest... Its a friggen shame

cha0

Canada514 Posts

August 14 2011 06:32 GMT

#265

So anyone else wondering about the whole FruitDealer and Tester situation? In my opinion their 'coming out with the truth' about how they were lying the whole time sounded really forced to me and now with this new info who knows, maybe SC2CON was blackmailing or threatening them too? Really hard to develop trust when so much shady stuff is going on behind closed doors.

p T r

United States94 Posts

August 14 2011 06:33 GMT

#266

SC2Con making me sad man

duckTemplar

United States215 Posts

August 14 2011 06:34 GMT

#267

Same reason Slayers team is not part of SC2con either. This will NOT affect GSL & GSTL. So I say let them run the circus. It'll be good while it lasts.

thee telescopes

321 Posts

August 14 2011 06:35 GMT

#268

Man, poor Choya must have had a lot of stress in the past month or so.

xBillehx

United States1289 Posts

August 14 2011 06:35 GMT

#269

Just to get this clear, the problem is with ONE guy who's currently (formerly by now?) representing sc2con, and the rest of the organization (coaches, players, managers) is a-okay? Can't the coaches just kick this guy out given the evidence of what's been going on?

Defacer

Canada5052 Posts

August 14 2011 06:35 GMT

#270

On August 14 2011 15:31 JLew wrote:
Read through the thread, was wondering if we as the community could get some actual concrete facts on what specifically SC2Con is. As someone who follows the SC2 scene quite closely and also has a fairly good grasp on business/politics I find myself totally confused by this entire situation. If you could even update the OP with information about SC2con I'm sure many would be appreciative.

I have always had the understanding the SC2Con was started and ran by the coaches/managers of the main teams in the Korean SC2 scene (people like Choya, TheWind, etc. ), but major issues have indicated this isn't quite the case. Who runs this organization? And if teams can simply opt out of it and still compete in major Korean events then what is even the point of it? Do they actually work in conjunction with GomTV? Any light that could be shed on the subject would be amazing, because the past few days we have heard a ton of controversy surrounding SC2Con (TSL incident, NASL incident, and now this ) and I don't think people know exactly what to picture when thinking about/discussing these matters.

I asked the same question in the other thread.

No one can give a concrete answer about SC2Con, it's leadership, it's process, it's responsibilities or it's agenda. That's the problem.

It's a self-appointed, slap-dash organization.

antas

Indonesia300 Posts

August 14 2011 06:35 GMT

#271

More drama *sigh ..

I hope Milkis can shed more light into this.

I will hold my thought until I got more information. It seems that something is not right ..

FXOpen

Australia1844 Posts

August 14 2011 06:36 GMT

#272

sc2con is a community organisation of pro teams. In order to help each other grow. They are basically helping each other in business.. And they do.

Our problem is with 1 person. Whom now I am in contact with.

TDN3

United States81 Posts

August 14 2011 06:37 GMT

#273

On August 14 2011 14:59 stormchaser wrote:

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There are good and bad people, no matter where you're from. You seriously think every Korean is as humble as the pro sc2 players? You're making an extremely stupid assumption and such an idea never has existed and never will.

I don't assume every Korean is a good person, but assuming an organization consisting of experience people. I'm assuming the chance that this group of experience people being evil and disrespectful is just ridiculous.

...and you know what's more stupid than an "extremely stupid assumption"? It's the person that calls others stupid.

Rekrul

Korea (South)17174 Posts

August 14 2011 06:37 GMT

#274

If the leader of this organization can't even talk to FXOBoss himself it's really fucken sad.

Sc2con seems to have developed into some retards with no big-picture view and with no power trying to make something out of nothing.

I really wish you could divulge more details about exact threats etc. etc. FXOboss, or atleast for Choya to make a statement in Korean (if it hasn't already happened I'm not too well informed).

But what can really be expected...does any memeber of Sc2con who is actually in charge of making their stupid decisions have any real business experience? Probably not.

P.s. fuck oops lee still.

Futarchy

Singapore59 Posts

August 14 2011 06:38 GMT

#275

Good on FXO to shade some light on what seems like a rather shady association, given the amount of controversy that has recently erupted. All the best in your endeavours!

dormer

United States1314 Posts

August 14 2011 06:38 GMT

#276

On August 14 2011 15:36 FXOpen wrote:
sc2con is a community organisation of pro teams. In order to help each other grow. They are basically helping each other in business.. And they do.

Our problem is with 1 person. Whom now I am in contact with.

Managed to get their attention, huh? :-p
I say bravo for standing up to them -- best of luck in getting things sorted out and hopefully improving the situation over there.

dgwow

Canada1024 Posts

August 14 2011 06:38 GMT

#277

If sc2con is as bad as they seem, then everyone should boycott them and have real professionals start an organization with their goals..

Good luck dealing with the leader, FXOBoSs! =/

KoshkaTV

United States430 Posts

August 14 2011 06:38 GMT

#278

Great example FXO.

We've seen of late how players and teams have suffered in silence during some pretty shady Korean situations (I recall there was even an instance of sexual harassment involving a team in GSL 1 or 2, the whole TSL team issue, the EG and Puma issue with player not being contracted or paid).

When good people step up and say they won't be a part of a shady organization, it helps others who are fearful to do so as well.

The more transparency and openness in the SC2 economy the less the players will be getting screwed.

jazzminkey

United States53 Posts

August 14 2011 06:38 GMT

#279

Will FXO players still be allowed to play in the GSL?

FabledIntegral

United States9232 Posts

August 14 2011 06:39 GMT

#280

I already thought the excuse they gave for the NASL withdrawal was complete bullshit. After hearing this, I've gone from not being fond of them to flat out disliking them. Even KESPA only slightly irks me, I don't flat out dislike them. Sad to see them alienating themselves...